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CSPI and Quorn
Quorn has been available in the US where I live for about a year, although
it has been used in Europe for quit a while. It is gererally regarded as safe by Europe, is made from a non-genetically modified Fusarium venenatum , a fungus. CSPI objects to Marlow foods describing Quorn mycroprotein as "mushrooms", but I believe not too much should be read into the claims by Marlow. To a scientificly illiterate population, caling quorn a mushroom is not far from the truth. Both mushrooms and F. venenatum are part of the kingdom eumycota- fungi, so to the layman, they are basicly the same thing. In addition, CSPI has goaded the press into describing Quorn in the most disgusting, bizarre manner possible, despite the fact that fungi have been part of the human diet for centuries. There is quite a bit of Aspergillus cerevisae in beer and breads, quite a bit of Aspergillus oryzae in miso, mold in bleu cheeses, and people have been eating mushrooms and truffles for quite a long time. Fungi have been used to produce medicines, to produce food flavorings (for instance, monosodium glutimate), or vitamins and minerals (for instance, B-12 and chromium tablets). F. venenatum is raised in large sterile vats, fed on glucose. When the process is finished, the fungal protein is texturized and mixed with binders and flavorings. I imagine if you showed the average meat eater the insides of a slaughter house, he wouldn't think his steak looked too pleasant anymore, either. Yes, some people are allergic to Quorn. But what is new about that? Many people are allergic to peanuts, soybeans, chocolate, mushrooms, wheat, shellfish... the list could go on and on. We don't deprive people of peanuts or soybeans simply because a few people are allergic to them, or could even die from them (so far, to my knowledge, nobody has died from eating Quorn). Then CSPI makes issue of mycotoxins in Quorn. Well, Marlow foods has quality controls in place to monitor for presence of mycotoxins, and they brew the F. venenatum in a way to minimize the risk. And Quorn isn't the only source of potential mycotoxins. Peanuts can produce aflatoxin (a mycotoxin), which can kill animals and causes cancer in animal experimental models (although evidence of cancer risk from humans eating peanuts is scant). Yet peanuts remain in our food supply, and for the vast majority of people, it will never be a problem for them. Or how about E. coli? It is omnipresent in meat (and also found in some fruits and berries), especially hamburger, and only proper cooking/handling destroys it. It is potentially a bigger health problem. I myself occasionally like eating Quorn. It is not a staple of my diet, or something I eat routinely (I much preffer broccoli, bean sprouts, soy, and peanuts as a protein source). I have never had a reaction from eating it. It has a faint "mushroom" taste, but other than that, it doesn't have alot of flavor on its own. It's not really vegan, but Marlow foods is working on a replacement for the egg albumin to make it acceptable to vegans. Rather than castigating Marlow foods, they should be praised for creating a more environmentally friendly protein source. Quorn is not aimed primarily at hardcore vegetarians, but the legions of people who want something that resembles meat and that they know how to cook with- people for whom tofu is just too wierd, or perhaps people who aren't ready to dive headlong into those brussel sprouts and broccolli. |
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"magnulus" > wrote in message . .. > Quorn has been available in the US where I live for about a year, although > it has been used in Europe for quit a while. It is gererally regarded as > safe by Europe, is made from a non-genetically modified Fusarium venenatum , > a fungus. CSPI objects to Marlow foods describing Quorn mycroprotein as > "mushrooms", but I believe not too much should be read into the claims by > Marlow. To a scientificly illiterate population, caling quorn a mushroom is > not far from the truth. Both mushrooms and F. venenatum are part of the > kingdom eumycota- fungi, so to the layman, they are basicly the same thing. > > In addition, CSPI has goaded the press into describing Quorn in the most > disgusting, bizarre manner possible, despite the fact that fungi have been > part of the human diet for centuries. There is quite a bit of Aspergillus > cerevisae in beer and breads, quite a bit of Aspergillus oryzae in miso, > mold in bleu cheeses, and people have been eating mushrooms and truffles for > quite a long time. Fungi have been used to produce medicines, to produce > food flavorings (for instance, monosodium glutimate), or vitamins and > minerals (for instance, B-12 and chromium tablets). F. venenatum is raised > in large sterile vats, fed on glucose. When the process is finished, the > fungal protein is texturized and mixed with binders and flavorings. I > imagine if you showed the average meat eater the insides of a slaughter > house, he wouldn't think his steak looked too pleasant anymore, either. > > Yes, some people are allergic to Quorn. But what is new about that? Many > people are allergic to peanuts, soybeans, chocolate, mushrooms, wheat, > shellfish... the list could go on and on. We don't deprive people of > peanuts or soybeans simply because a few people are allergic to them, or > could even die from them (so far, to my knowledge, nobody has died from > eating Quorn). Then CSPI makes issue of mycotoxins in Quorn. Well, Marlow > foods has quality controls in place to monitor for presence of mycotoxins, > and they brew the F. venenatum in a way to minimize the risk. And Quorn > isn't the only source of potential mycotoxins. Peanuts can produce > aflatoxin (a mycotoxin), which can kill animals and causes cancer in animal > experimental models (although evidence of cancer risk from humans eating > peanuts is scant). Yet peanuts remain in our food supply, and for the vast > majority of people, it will never be a problem for them. Or how about E. > coli? It is omnipresent in meat (and also found in some fruits and > berries), especially hamburger, and only proper cooking/handling destroys > it. It is potentially a bigger health problem. > > I myself occasionally like eating Quorn. It is not a staple of my diet, > or something I eat routinely (I much preffer broccoli, bean sprouts, soy, > and peanuts as a protein source). I have never had a reaction from eating > it. It has a faint "mushroom" taste, but other than that, it doesn't have > alot of flavor on its own. It's not really vegan, but Marlow foods is > working on a replacement for the egg albumin to make it acceptable to > vegans. Rather than castigating Marlow foods, they should be praised for > creating a more environmentally friendly protein source. Quorn is not aimed > primarily at hardcore vegetarians, but the legions of people who want > something that resembles meat and that they know how to cook with- people > for whom tofu is just too wierd, or perhaps people who aren't ready to dive > headlong into those brussel sprouts and broccolli. Take little note of the garbage splashed around by CSPI. and the like.. If you are to take note of every organization proclaiming what is bad for your body, you would end up dying of malnutrition. Look at what the same group say about alcohol http://www.cspinet.org/booze/ntp2.htm Enough said. When I became a vegetarian some thirty odd years ago, there was little on the market to make the transition easy. There was no 'Quorn' or 'Tofu', just TPV. Although TVP can be made palatable by a half decent cook, it remains just that 'palatable' Now that we have 'Quorn', there is no need for 'would be' ethical vegetarians to suffer from meat withdrawal symptoms. Some of the Quorn products now on the market taste dangerously like meat! A couple of the problems which you have alredy highlighted are very important, if you have an allergy to mushrooms, 'Quorn' is not for you. Also for vegans, albumin is used as a binder in some Quorn products, but not all, so vegans should read the small print. However for ethical vegetarians, please note, the albumin used in the production of some of these products is obtained only from 'free range' chickens. 'Marlow Foods' is an ethical company with an excellent help desk back up facility. Enjoy your food and thanks for posting. Also please note that you will receive abuse from the aaev newsgroup. Some of it's members eat meat, moselty uncooked:-) > > |
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>When I became a vegetarian some thirty odd years ago, there was little on >the >market to make the transition easy. There was no 'Quorn' or 'Tofu', just I suspect there was tofu, if you looked hard enough, since it's a traditional Japanese staple. >Although TVP can be made palatable by a half decent cook, it remains just >that 'palatable' I still use TVP in preference to quorn quite a lot. What's wrong with 'palatable'? >Also for vegans, albumin is used as a binder in some Quorn products, but not >all, so vegans Are you sure it's not 'all'? I've not been aware of any that didn't. >should read the small print. However for ethical vegetarians, please note, >the albumin used >in the production of some of these products is obtained only from 'free >range' chickens. It is now, it used to be from battery hens. Quorn was never intended as a 'vegetarian' food, it was marketted as 'low fat'. It's only a small unintentional that it ended up being taken up by the vegetarian market. -- http://comps.org/ <> http://comps-offline.co.uk/ <> http://comps-online.co.uk/ |
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According to >:
>When I became a vegetarian some thirty odd years ago, there was little on >the >market to make the transition easy. There was no 'Quorn' or 'Tofu', just I suspect there was tofu, if you looked hard enough, since it's a traditional Japanese staple. >Although TVP can be made palatable by a half decent cook, it remains just >that 'palatable' I still use TVP in preference to quorn quite a lot. What's wrong with 'palatable'? >Also for vegans, albumin is used as a binder in some Quorn products, but not >all, so vegans Are you sure it's not 'all'? I've not been aware of any that didn't. >should read the small print. However for ethical vegetarians, please note, >the albumin used >in the production of some of these products is obtained only from 'free >range' chickens. It is now, it used to be from battery hens. Quorn was never intended as a 'vegetarian' food, it was marketted as 'low fat'. It's only a small unintentional that it ended up being taken up by the vegetarian market. -- http://comps.org/ <> http://comps-offline.co.uk/ <> http://comps-online.co.uk/ |
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"Vicky Conlan" > wrote in message .. . > According to >: > >When I became a vegetarian some thirty odd years ago, there was little on > >the > >market to make the transition easy. There was no 'Quorn' or 'Tofu', just > > I suspect there was tofu, if you looked hard enough, since it's a traditional > Japanese staple. When I became a vegetarian, there wad no internet, thought of that you dumb broad? How was I supposed what the nips eat? Plus, was it available in this country? > > >Although TVP can be made palatable by a half decent cook, it remains just > >that 'palatable' > > I still use TVP in preference to quorn quite a lot. What's wrong with > 'palatable'? Depends on your standards. > > >Also for vegans, albumin is used as a binder in some Quorn products, but not > >all, so vegans > > Are you sure it's not 'all'? I've not been aware of any that didn't. You are not aware of many things. > > >should read the small print. However for ethical vegetarians, please note, > >the albumin used > >in the production of some of these products is obtained only from 'free > >range' chickens. > > It is now, it used to be from battery hens. I'm not talking about the past idiot, I stated the present facts. Quorn was never intended as > a 'vegetarian' food, it was marketted as 'low fat'. It's only a small > unintentional that it ended up being taken up by the vegetarian market. Says who? produce facts. Your links are crap, so is your posting, it lacks substance or facts. These links are garbage > > -- > http://comps.org/ <> http://comps-offline.co.uk/ <> http://comps-online.co.uk/ We have enough of idiots on this group withou the likes of you. Either validate your remarks or depart. |
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>> I suspect there was tofu, if you looked hard enough, since it's a >> traditional Japanese staple. >When I became a vegetarian, there wad no internet, thought of that you dumb >broad? Eh? What has the internet got to do with anything? >How was I supposed what the nips eat? By not being completely isolated in your own culture? >Plus, was it available in this country? I have no idea. What country are you in? >> Are you sure it's not 'all'? I've not been aware of any that didn't. >You are not aware of many things. This is true. But I have been buying and eating quorn for many years. And I've made a point to read the ingredients. I am not aware of any not using egg white in the ingredients. If you know of any specific products, I would be interested to know about them. >> It is now, it used to be from battery hens. >I'm not talking about the past idiot, I stated the present facts. And I stated a fact about the past. Not sure why you think this makes me an idiot, but you appear to be being impressively defensive and hostile for no apparent reason. Are you normally like this, or just having a particularly grouchy day today? > Quorn was never intended as >> a 'vegetarian' food, it was marketted as 'low fat'. It's only a small >> unintentional that it ended up being taken up by the vegetarian market. >Says who? produce facts. http://groups.google.co.uk/groups?q=...net.com&rnum=4 >Your links are crap, so is your posting, it lacks substance or facts. I didn't post any links. >These links are garbage It's a signature. So filter signatures if you don't like them. >We have enough of idiots on this group withou the likes of you. Which is "this group"? The original post was crossposted. I'm not aware of having seen you before on rec.food.veg, but if your tone of posting is normally like this, it's no great loss. -- http://comps.org/ <> http://comps-offline.co.uk/ <> http://comps-online.co.uk/ |
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According to >:
>> I suspect there was tofu, if you looked hard enough, since it's a >> traditional Japanese staple. >When I became a vegetarian, there wad no internet, thought of that you dumb >broad? Eh? What has the internet got to do with anything? >How was I supposed what the nips eat? By not being completely isolated in your own culture? >Plus, was it available in this country? I have no idea. What country are you in? >> Are you sure it's not 'all'? I've not been aware of any that didn't. >You are not aware of many things. This is true. But I have been buying and eating quorn for many years. And I've made a point to read the ingredients. I am not aware of any not using egg white in the ingredients. If you know of any specific products, I would be interested to know about them. >> It is now, it used to be from battery hens. >I'm not talking about the past idiot, I stated the present facts. And I stated a fact about the past. Not sure why you think this makes me an idiot, but you appear to be being impressively defensive and hostile for no apparent reason. Are you normally like this, or just having a particularly grouchy day today? > Quorn was never intended as >> a 'vegetarian' food, it was marketted as 'low fat'. It's only a small >> unintentional that it ended up being taken up by the vegetarian market. >Says who? produce facts. http://groups.google.co.uk/groups?q=...net.com&rnum=4 >Your links are crap, so is your posting, it lacks substance or facts. I didn't post any links. >These links are garbage It's a signature. So filter signatures if you don't like them. >We have enough of idiots on this group withou the likes of you. Which is "this group"? The original post was crossposted. I'm not aware of having seen you before on rec.food.veg, but if your tone of posting is normally like this, it's no great loss. -- http://comps.org/ <> http://comps-offline.co.uk/ <> http://comps-online.co.uk/ |
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"Ray" > wrote in message ... > When I became a vegetarian some thirty odd years ago, there was little on > the > market to make the transition easy. There was no 'Quorn' or 'Tofu', just > TPV. > Although TVP can be made palatable by a half decent cook, it remains just > that > 'palatable' I think tofu has been around just wee bit longer than TVP. Since "palatable" to my understanding means "pleasant tasting" I'm not sure what your trying to say in regards to using TVP. > Now that we have 'Quorn', there is no need for 'would be' ethical > vegetarians to suffer > from meat withdrawal symptoms. Some of the Quorn products now on the market > taste > dangerously like meat! Why is it "dangerous" to taste like meat? > A couple of the problems which you have alredy highlighted are very > important, if you have > an allergy to mushrooms, 'Quorn' is not for you. > > Also for vegans, albumin is used as a binder in some Quorn products, but not > all, so vegans > should read the small print. Albumen is used in "ALL" Quorn products. >However for ethical vegetarians, please note, > the albumin used > in the production of some of these products is obtained only from 'free > range' chickens. > > 'Marlow Foods' is an ethical company with an excellent help desk back up > facility. > > Enjoy your food and thanks for posting. > > Also please note that you will receive abuse from the aaev newsgroup. Some > of it's > members eat meat, moselty uncooked:-) > > > > > > > > |
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"Ray" > wrote in message ... > When I became a vegetarian some thirty odd years ago, there was little on > the > market to make the transition easy. There was no 'Quorn' or 'Tofu', just > TPV. > Although TVP can be made palatable by a half decent cook, it remains just > that > 'palatable' I think tofu has been around just wee bit longer than TVP. Since "palatable" to my understanding means "pleasant tasting" I'm not sure what your trying to say in regards to using TVP. > Now that we have 'Quorn', there is no need for 'would be' ethical > vegetarians to suffer > from meat withdrawal symptoms. Some of the Quorn products now on the market > taste > dangerously like meat! Why is it "dangerous" to taste like meat? > A couple of the problems which you have alredy highlighted are very > important, if you have > an allergy to mushrooms, 'Quorn' is not for you. > > Also for vegans, albumin is used as a binder in some Quorn products, but not > all, so vegans > should read the small print. Albumen is used in "ALL" Quorn products. >However for ethical vegetarians, please note, > the albumin used > in the production of some of these products is obtained only from 'free > range' chickens. > > 'Marlow Foods' is an ethical company with an excellent help desk back up > facility. > > Enjoy your food and thanks for posting. > > Also please note that you will receive abuse from the aaev newsgroup. Some > of it's > members eat meat, moselty uncooked:-) > > > > > > > > |
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"Vicky Conlan" > wrote in message .. . > I suspect there was tofu, if you looked hard enough, since it's a traditional > Japanese staple. > Outside of California, I doubt it. Some stores had tofu (Mori-Nu in the tetrapak), but not all. Most stores now days don't have miso, either, or tempeh, for that matter. Most healthfood stores have them, but not everybody lives near one of those. > > It is now, it used to be from battery hens. Quorn was never intended as > a 'vegetarian' food, it was marketted as 'low fat'. It's only a small > unintentional that it ended up being taken up by the vegetarian market. > Quorn was developed in response to the percieved food crisis of the 1960's. A way to efficiently provide protein in a palatable, efficient form, using technology and nover food sources (sort of like Soylent Green, only it's not made from people...). It turned out the predictions for food shortage were a bit off as farming yields increased, but the world still faces environmental problems related to protein demand, specificly animal protein (and note the recent article on water supply shortages causing problems for agriculture in the future)- so a food crisis is not a forgone conclusion. If you are vegetarian for any other reason besides animal rights, then protein sources such as Quorn are indeed consequential. And the application of science to create new food sources is nothing new: George Washington Carver, the African-American chemist and agronomist, developed modern peanut butter as a solution to malnutrition in the South after the civil war and as a way for the Southern agrarian economy to diversify beyond cash crops. He noted that pound for pound, peanuts were a better source of many vitamins and energy than meat, and also was a good source of protein. |
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"Vicky Conlan" > wrote in message .. . > I suspect there was tofu, if you looked hard enough, since it's a traditional > Japanese staple. > Outside of California, I doubt it. Some stores had tofu (Mori-Nu in the tetrapak), but not all. Most stores now days don't have miso, either, or tempeh, for that matter. Most healthfood stores have them, but not everybody lives near one of those. > > It is now, it used to be from battery hens. Quorn was never intended as > a 'vegetarian' food, it was marketted as 'low fat'. It's only a small > unintentional that it ended up being taken up by the vegetarian market. > Quorn was developed in response to the percieved food crisis of the 1960's. A way to efficiently provide protein in a palatable, efficient form, using technology and nover food sources (sort of like Soylent Green, only it's not made from people...). It turned out the predictions for food shortage were a bit off as farming yields increased, but the world still faces environmental problems related to protein demand, specificly animal protein (and note the recent article on water supply shortages causing problems for agriculture in the future)- so a food crisis is not a forgone conclusion. If you are vegetarian for any other reason besides animal rights, then protein sources such as Quorn are indeed consequential. And the application of science to create new food sources is nothing new: George Washington Carver, the African-American chemist and agronomist, developed modern peanut butter as a solution to malnutrition in the South after the civil war and as a way for the Southern agrarian economy to diversify beyond cash crops. He noted that pound for pound, peanuts were a better source of many vitamins and energy than meat, and also was a good source of protein. |
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"Vicky Conlan" > wrote in message .. . > According to >: > >> I suspect there was tofu, if you looked hard enough, since it's a > >> traditional Japanese staple. > >When I became a vegetarian, there wad no internet, thought of that you dumb > >broad? > > Eh? What has the internet got to do with anything? How are you suposed to know what is available from other parts of the world withoutthe internet? > > >How was I supposed what the nips eat? > > By not being completely isolated in your own culture? Why not, i am English > > >Plus, was it available in this country? > > I have no idea. What country are you in? Learn to read the headers > > >> Are you sure it's not 'all'? I've not been aware of any that didn't. > >You are not aware of many things. > > This is true. But I have been buying and eating quorn for many years. > And I've made a point to read the ingredients. I am not aware of any > not using egg white in the ingredients. If you know of any specific > products, I would be interested to know about them. > > >> It is now, it used to be from battery hens. > >I'm not talking about the past idiot, I stated the present facts. > > And I stated a fact about the past. Not sure why you think this makes > me an idiot, but you appear to be being impressively defensive and hostile > for no apparent reason. Are you normally like this, or just having a > particularly grouchy day today? No I think you deserve a little education of how one should respond when posting in a new group > > > Quorn was never intended as > >> a 'vegetarian' food, it was marketted as 'low fat'. It's only a small > >> unintentional that it ended up being taken up by the vegetarian market. > >Says who? produce facts. > > http://groups.google.co.uk/groups?q=...net.com&rnum=4 > > >Your links are crap, so is your posting, it lacks substance or facts. > > I didn't post any links. > > >These links are garbage > > It's a signature. So filter signatures if you don't like them. **** poor sig. > > >We have enough of idiots on this group withou the likes of you. > > Which is "this group"? The original post was crossposted. I'm not > aware of having seen you before on rec.food.veg, but if your tone of > posting is normally like this, it's no great loss. You have nothing to offer, take yourself and your stipid sig and go to hell. No. I'm not feeling grumpy, or any of the other dwarfs, just sick of people like you. > > -- > http://comps.org/ <> http://comps-offline.co.uk/ <> http://comps-online.co.uk/ That's a sig? Don't bother to respond. |
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"Vicky Conlan" > wrote in message .. . > According to >: > >> I suspect there was tofu, if you looked hard enough, since it's a > >> traditional Japanese staple. > >When I became a vegetarian, there wad no internet, thought of that you dumb > >broad? > > Eh? What has the internet got to do with anything? How are you suposed to know what is available from other parts of the world withoutthe internet? > > >How was I supposed what the nips eat? > > By not being completely isolated in your own culture? Why not, i am English > > >Plus, was it available in this country? > > I have no idea. What country are you in? Learn to read the headers > > >> Are you sure it's not 'all'? I've not been aware of any that didn't. > >You are not aware of many things. > > This is true. But I have been buying and eating quorn for many years. > And I've made a point to read the ingredients. I am not aware of any > not using egg white in the ingredients. If you know of any specific > products, I would be interested to know about them. > > >> It is now, it used to be from battery hens. > >I'm not talking about the past idiot, I stated the present facts. > > And I stated a fact about the past. Not sure why you think this makes > me an idiot, but you appear to be being impressively defensive and hostile > for no apparent reason. Are you normally like this, or just having a > particularly grouchy day today? No I think you deserve a little education of how one should respond when posting in a new group > > > Quorn was never intended as > >> a 'vegetarian' food, it was marketted as 'low fat'. It's only a small > >> unintentional that it ended up being taken up by the vegetarian market. > >Says who? produce facts. > > http://groups.google.co.uk/groups?q=...net.com&rnum=4 > > >Your links are crap, so is your posting, it lacks substance or facts. > > I didn't post any links. > > >These links are garbage > > It's a signature. So filter signatures if you don't like them. **** poor sig. > > >We have enough of idiots on this group withou the likes of you. > > Which is "this group"? The original post was crossposted. I'm not > aware of having seen you before on rec.food.veg, but if your tone of > posting is normally like this, it's no great loss. You have nothing to offer, take yourself and your stipid sig and go to hell. No. I'm not feeling grumpy, or any of the other dwarfs, just sick of people like you. > > -- > http://comps.org/ <> http://comps-offline.co.uk/ <> http://comps-online.co.uk/ That's a sig? Don't bother to respond. |
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"Ray" > wrote in message ... > > "Vicky Conlan" > wrote in message > .. . > > According to >: > > >> I suspect there was tofu, if you looked hard enough, since it's a > > >> traditional Japanese staple. > > >When I became a vegetarian, there wad no internet, thought of that you > dumb > > >broad? > > > > Eh? What has the internet got to do with anything? > How are you suposed to know what is available from other parts of the world > withoutthe internet? > > > > >How was I supposed what the nips eat? > > > > By not being completely isolated in your own culture? > > Why not, i am English So what? > > >Plus, was it available in this country? > > > > I have no idea. What country are you in? > > Learn to read the headers Learn to be tolerant. > > >> Are you sure it's not 'all'? I've not been aware of any that didn't. > > >You are not aware of many things. > > > > This is true. But I have been buying and eating quorn for many years. > > And I've made a point to read the ingredients. I am not aware of any > > not using egg white in the ingredients. If you know of any specific > > products, I would be interested to know about them. > > > > >> It is now, it used to be from battery hens. > > >I'm not talking about the past idiot, I stated the present facts. > > > > And I stated a fact about the past. Not sure why you think this makes > > me an idiot, but you appear to be being impressively defensive and hostile > > for no apparent reason. Are you normally like this, or just having a > > particularly grouchy day today? > > No I think you deserve a little education of how one should respond when > posting in a new group And I think you need a little education in courtesy. > > > Quorn was never intended as > > >> a 'vegetarian' food, it was marketted as 'low fat'. It's only a small > > >> unintentional that it ended up being taken up by the vegetarian market. > > >Says who? produce facts. > > > > > http://groups.google.co.uk/groups?q=...vegetarian+bat tery&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&selm=37BD7578.5ACA5597%40btinternet.com&rnum=4 > > > > >Your links are crap, so is your posting, it lacks substance or facts. > > > > I didn't post any links. > > > > > >These links are garbage > > > > It's a signature. So filter signatures if you don't like them. > > **** poor sig. **** poor demeanor. > > >We have enough of idiots on this group withou the likes of you. > > > > Which is "this group"? The original post was crossposted. I'm not > > aware of having seen you before on rec.food.veg, but if your tone of > > posting is normally like this, it's no great loss. > > You have nothing to offer, take yourself and your stipid sig and go to hell. > No. I'm not feeling grumpy, or any of the other dwarfs, just sick of people > like you. Her signature is fine, deal with it. > > http://comps.org/ <> http://comps-offline.co.uk/ <> > http://comps-online.co.uk/ > > That's a sig? > > Don't bother to respond. You have social issues, get help. |
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"Ray" > wrote in message ... > > "Vicky Conlan" > wrote in message > .. . > > According to >: > > >> I suspect there was tofu, if you looked hard enough, since it's a > > >> traditional Japanese staple. > > >When I became a vegetarian, there wad no internet, thought of that you > dumb > > >broad? > > > > Eh? What has the internet got to do with anything? > How are you suposed to know what is available from other parts of the world > withoutthe internet? > > > > >How was I supposed what the nips eat? > > > > By not being completely isolated in your own culture? > > Why not, i am English So what? > > >Plus, was it available in this country? > > > > I have no idea. What country are you in? > > Learn to read the headers Learn to be tolerant. > > >> Are you sure it's not 'all'? I've not been aware of any that didn't. > > >You are not aware of many things. > > > > This is true. But I have been buying and eating quorn for many years. > > And I've made a point to read the ingredients. I am not aware of any > > not using egg white in the ingredients. If you know of any specific > > products, I would be interested to know about them. > > > > >> It is now, it used to be from battery hens. > > >I'm not talking about the past idiot, I stated the present facts. > > > > And I stated a fact about the past. Not sure why you think this makes > > me an idiot, but you appear to be being impressively defensive and hostile > > for no apparent reason. Are you normally like this, or just having a > > particularly grouchy day today? > > No I think you deserve a little education of how one should respond when > posting in a new group And I think you need a little education in courtesy. > > > Quorn was never intended as > > >> a 'vegetarian' food, it was marketted as 'low fat'. It's only a small > > >> unintentional that it ended up being taken up by the vegetarian market. > > >Says who? produce facts. > > > > > http://groups.google.co.uk/groups?q=...vegetarian+bat tery&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&selm=37BD7578.5ACA5597%40btinternet.com&rnum=4 > > > > >Your links are crap, so is your posting, it lacks substance or facts. > > > > I didn't post any links. > > > > > >These links are garbage > > > > It's a signature. So filter signatures if you don't like them. > > **** poor sig. **** poor demeanor. > > >We have enough of idiots on this group withou the likes of you. > > > > Which is "this group"? The original post was crossposted. I'm not > > aware of having seen you before on rec.food.veg, but if your tone of > > posting is normally like this, it's no great loss. > > You have nothing to offer, take yourself and your stipid sig and go to hell. > No. I'm not feeling grumpy, or any of the other dwarfs, just sick of people > like you. Her signature is fine, deal with it. > > http://comps.org/ <> http://comps-offline.co.uk/ <> > http://comps-online.co.uk/ > > That's a sig? > > Don't bother to respond. You have social issues, get help. |
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"SansMeat" > wrote in message .. . > > "Ray" > wrote in message > ... > > When I became a vegetarian some thirty odd years ago, there was little on > > the > > market to make the transition easy. There was no 'Quorn' or 'Tofu', just > > TPV. > > Although TVP can be made palatable by a half decent cook, it remains just > > that > > 'palatable' > > I think tofu has been around just wee bit longer than TVP. Since "palatable" > to my understanding means "pleasant tasting" I'm not sure what your trying > to say in regards to using TVP. My understanding of palatable is "acceptable", and nothing more. My mistake. You are correct. But put yourself in my position some thirty years ago. People like myself trying to live a decent life, did not have all the knowledge easilly obtained from the internet. OTOH TVP was easy to obtain and so were the bland recipes > > > > Now that we have 'Quorn', there is no need for 'would be' ethical > > vegetarians to suffer > > from meat withdrawal symptoms. Some of the Quorn products now on the > market > > taste > > dangerously like meat! > > Why is it "dangerous" to taste like meat? Depends on your attitude, some may state that if you like the taste of meat, you are a hypocite for eating substitutes Remember I usually post from the rough NG aaev, where the real work is done.. > > > > A couple of the problems which you have alredy highlighted are very > > important, if you have > > an allergy to mushrooms, 'Quorn' is not for you. > > > > Also for vegans, albumin is used as a binder in some Quorn products, but > not > > all, so vegans > > should read the small print. > > Albumen is used in "ALL" Quorn products. I'll take your word for it. > > >However for ethical vegetarians, please note, > > the albumin used > > in the production of some of these products is obtained only from 'free > > range' chickens. > > > > 'Marlow Foods' is an ethical company with an excellent help desk back up > > facility. > > > > Enjoy your food and thanks for posting. > > > > Also please note that you will receive abuse from the aaev newsgroup. Some > > of it's > > members eat meat, moselty uncooked:-) I add for members of rec. food .vegan and alt.food .vegan, that my attitude to food is - I like something to taste good and not a derivative of any animal content, it is not my hobby. The original posting was crossposted, but not by me. People of the likes of Vicky Conlan, do AR issues more harm than good. They are viewed as Kooks and not Cooks. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > |
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"SansMeat" > wrote in message .. . > > "Ray" > wrote in message > ... > > When I became a vegetarian some thirty odd years ago, there was little on > > the > > market to make the transition easy. There was no 'Quorn' or 'Tofu', just > > TPV. > > Although TVP can be made palatable by a half decent cook, it remains just > > that > > 'palatable' > > I think tofu has been around just wee bit longer than TVP. Since "palatable" > to my understanding means "pleasant tasting" I'm not sure what your trying > to say in regards to using TVP. My understanding of palatable is "acceptable", and nothing more. My mistake. You are correct. But put yourself in my position some thirty years ago. People like myself trying to live a decent life, did not have all the knowledge easilly obtained from the internet. OTOH TVP was easy to obtain and so were the bland recipes > > > > Now that we have 'Quorn', there is no need for 'would be' ethical > > vegetarians to suffer > > from meat withdrawal symptoms. Some of the Quorn products now on the > market > > taste > > dangerously like meat! > > Why is it "dangerous" to taste like meat? Depends on your attitude, some may state that if you like the taste of meat, you are a hypocite for eating substitutes Remember I usually post from the rough NG aaev, where the real work is done.. > > > > A couple of the problems which you have alredy highlighted are very > > important, if you have > > an allergy to mushrooms, 'Quorn' is not for you. > > > > Also for vegans, albumin is used as a binder in some Quorn products, but > not > > all, so vegans > > should read the small print. > > Albumen is used in "ALL" Quorn products. I'll take your word for it. > > >However for ethical vegetarians, please note, > > the albumin used > > in the production of some of these products is obtained only from 'free > > range' chickens. > > > > 'Marlow Foods' is an ethical company with an excellent help desk back up > > facility. > > > > Enjoy your food and thanks for posting. > > > > Also please note that you will receive abuse from the aaev newsgroup. Some > > of it's > > members eat meat, moselty uncooked:-) I add for members of rec. food .vegan and alt.food .vegan, that my attitude to food is - I like something to taste good and not a derivative of any animal content, it is not my hobby. The original posting was crossposted, but not by me. People of the likes of Vicky Conlan, do AR issues more harm than good. They are viewed as Kooks and not Cooks. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > |
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"Ray" > wrote in message ... > > "SansMeat" > wrote in message > .. . > > > > "Ray" > wrote in message > > ... > > > When I became a vegetarian some thirty odd years ago, there was little > on > > > the > > > market to make the transition easy. There was no 'Quorn' or 'Tofu', just > > > TPV. > > > Although TVP can be made palatable by a half decent cook, it remains > just > > > that > > > 'palatable' > > > > I think tofu has been around just wee bit longer than TVP. Since > "palatable" > > to my understanding means "pleasant tasting" I'm not sure what your trying > > to say in regards to using TVP. > > My understanding of palatable is "acceptable", and nothing more. > > My mistake. You are correct. > But put yourself in my position some thirty years ago. People like myself > trying to live a decent life, did not have all the knowledge easilly > obtained from the internet. OTOH TVP was easy to obtain and so were the > bland recipes > > > > > > > Now that we have 'Quorn', there is no need for 'would be' ethical > > > vegetarians to suffer > > > from meat withdrawal symptoms. Some of the Quorn products now on the > > market > > > taste > > > dangerously like meat! > > > > Why is it "dangerous" to taste like meat? > > Depends on your attitude, some may state that if you like the taste of meat, > you are a hypocite for eating substitutes Remember I usually post from the > rough NG aaev, where the real work is done.. But I like grilled portabello mushrooms which are said to have a "steak" like flavour (which I agree), that shouldn't prevent a vegetarian from eating them should it? I personally don't think flavour should be an issue as to whether or not you are a "good" vegetarian. I'm not familiar with what "NG aaev" is, can you help me here? |
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"Ray" > wrote in message ... > > "SansMeat" > wrote in message > .. . > > > > "Ray" > wrote in message > > ... > > > When I became a vegetarian some thirty odd years ago, there was little > on > > > the > > > market to make the transition easy. There was no 'Quorn' or 'Tofu', just > > > TPV. > > > Although TVP can be made palatable by a half decent cook, it remains > just > > > that > > > 'palatable' > > > > I think tofu has been around just wee bit longer than TVP. Since > "palatable" > > to my understanding means "pleasant tasting" I'm not sure what your trying > > to say in regards to using TVP. > > My understanding of palatable is "acceptable", and nothing more. > > My mistake. You are correct. > But put yourself in my position some thirty years ago. People like myself > trying to live a decent life, did not have all the knowledge easilly > obtained from the internet. OTOH TVP was easy to obtain and so were the > bland recipes > > > > > > > Now that we have 'Quorn', there is no need for 'would be' ethical > > > vegetarians to suffer > > > from meat withdrawal symptoms. Some of the Quorn products now on the > > market > > > taste > > > dangerously like meat! > > > > Why is it "dangerous" to taste like meat? > > Depends on your attitude, some may state that if you like the taste of meat, > you are a hypocite for eating substitutes Remember I usually post from the > rough NG aaev, where the real work is done.. But I like grilled portabello mushrooms which are said to have a "steak" like flavour (which I agree), that shouldn't prevent a vegetarian from eating them should it? I personally don't think flavour should be an issue as to whether or not you are a "good" vegetarian. I'm not familiar with what "NG aaev" is, can you help me here? |
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"magnulus" > wrote in message . .. > Quorn has been available in the US where I live for about a year, although > it has been used in Europe for quit a while. It is gererally regarded as > safe by Europe, is made from a non-genetically modified Fusarium venenatum , > a fungus. CSPI objects to Marlow foods describing Quorn mycroprotein as > "mushrooms", but I believe not too much should be read into the claims by > Marlow. To a scientificly illiterate population, caling quorn a mushroom is > not far from the truth. Both mushrooms and F. venenatum are part of the > kingdom eumycota- fungi, so to the layman, they are basicly the same thing. Both humans and sea slugs are in the kingdom Animalia, so I guess they're basically the same thing too by that logic. >In addition, CSPI has goaded the press into describing Quorn in the most > disgusting, bizarre manner possible, despite the fact that fungi have been > part of the human diet for centuries. There is quite a bit of Aspergillus > cerevisae in beer and breads, quite a bit of Aspergillus oryzae in miso, > mold in bleu cheeses, and people have been eating mushrooms and truffles for > quite a long time. Fungi have been used to produce medicines, to produce > food flavorings (for instance, monosodium glutimate), or vitamins and > minerals (for instance, B-12 and chromium tablets). F. venenatum is raised > in large sterile vats, fed on glucose. When the process is finished, the > fungal protein is texturized and mixed with binders and flavorings. I > imagine if you showed the average meat eater the insides of a slaughter > house, he wouldn't think his steak looked too pleasant anymore, either. As you mentioned before, people are scientifically illiterate. They just hear "fungus" and think it's something yucky, even as they're eating mushroom soup, they might say "ewwww fungus." Most people stupidly think mushrooms are plants. > Yes, some people are allergic to Quorn. But what is new about that? Many > people are allergic to peanuts, soybeans, chocolate, mushrooms, wheat, > shellfish... the list could go on and on. We don't deprive people of > peanuts or soybeans simply because a few people are allergic to them, or > could even die from them (so far, to my knowledge, nobody has died from > eating Quorn). Then CSPI makes issue of mycotoxins in Quorn. Well, Marlow > foods has quality controls in place to monitor for presence of mycotoxins, > and they brew the F. venenatum in a way to minimize the risk. And Quorn > isn't the only source of potential mycotoxins. Peanuts can produce > aflatoxin (a mycotoxin), which can kill animals and causes cancer in animal > experimental models (although evidence of cancer risk from humans eating > peanuts is scant). Yet peanuts remain in our food supply, and for the vast > majority of people, it will never be a problem for them. Or how about E. > coli? It is omnipresent in meat (and also found in some fruits and > berries), especially hamburger, and only proper cooking/handling destroys > it. It is potentially a bigger health problem Yeah, and I like eating raw wild dewberries.  A lot of other people aroundhere do too, and I've never heard of a dewberry death. > I myself occasionally like eating Quorn. It is not a staple of my diet, > or something I eat routinely (I much preffer broccoli, bean sprouts, soy, > and peanuts as a protein source). I have never had a reaction from eating > it. It has a faint "mushroom" taste, but other than that, it doesn't have > alot of flavor on its own. It's not really vegan, but Marlow foods is > working on a replacement for the egg albumin to make it acceptable to > vegans. Rather than castigating Marlow foods, they should be praised for > creating a more environmentally friendly protein source. Quorn is not aimed > primarily at hardcore vegetarians, but the legions of people who want > something that resembles meat and that they know how to cook with- people > for whom tofu is just too wierd, or perhaps people who aren't ready to dive > headlong into those brussel sprouts and broccolli. I'd like to try Quorn sometime. -Rubystars |
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"magnulus" > wrote in message . .. > Quorn has been available in the US where I live for about a year, although > it has been used in Europe for quit a while. It is gererally regarded as > safe by Europe, is made from a non-genetically modified Fusarium venenatum , > a fungus. CSPI objects to Marlow foods describing Quorn mycroprotein as > "mushrooms", but I believe not too much should be read into the claims by > Marlow. To a scientificly illiterate population, caling quorn a mushroom is > not far from the truth. Both mushrooms and F. venenatum are part of the > kingdom eumycota- fungi, so to the layman, they are basicly the same thing. Both humans and sea slugs are in the kingdom Animalia, so I guess they're basically the same thing too by that logic. >In addition, CSPI has goaded the press into describing Quorn in the most > disgusting, bizarre manner possible, despite the fact that fungi have been > part of the human diet for centuries. There is quite a bit of Aspergillus > cerevisae in beer and breads, quite a bit of Aspergillus oryzae in miso, > mold in bleu cheeses, and people have been eating mushrooms and truffles for > quite a long time. Fungi have been used to produce medicines, to produce > food flavorings (for instance, monosodium glutimate), or vitamins and > minerals (for instance, B-12 and chromium tablets). F. venenatum is raised > in large sterile vats, fed on glucose. When the process is finished, the > fungal protein is texturized and mixed with binders and flavorings. I > imagine if you showed the average meat eater the insides of a slaughter > house, he wouldn't think his steak looked too pleasant anymore, either. As you mentioned before, people are scientifically illiterate. They just hear "fungus" and think it's something yucky, even as they're eating mushroom soup, they might say "ewwww fungus." Most people stupidly think mushrooms are plants. > Yes, some people are allergic to Quorn. But what is new about that? Many > people are allergic to peanuts, soybeans, chocolate, mushrooms, wheat, > shellfish... the list could go on and on. We don't deprive people of > peanuts or soybeans simply because a few people are allergic to them, or > could even die from them (so far, to my knowledge, nobody has died from > eating Quorn). Then CSPI makes issue of mycotoxins in Quorn. Well, Marlow > foods has quality controls in place to monitor for presence of mycotoxins, > and they brew the F. venenatum in a way to minimize the risk. And Quorn > isn't the only source of potential mycotoxins. Peanuts can produce > aflatoxin (a mycotoxin), which can kill animals and causes cancer in animal > experimental models (although evidence of cancer risk from humans eating > peanuts is scant). Yet peanuts remain in our food supply, and for the vast > majority of people, it will never be a problem for them. Or how about E. > coli? It is omnipresent in meat (and also found in some fruits and > berries), especially hamburger, and only proper cooking/handling destroys > it. It is potentially a bigger health problem Yeah, and I like eating raw wild dewberries. A lot of other people aroundhere do too, and I've never heard of a dewberry death. > I myself occasionally like eating Quorn. It is not a staple of my diet, > or something I eat routinely (I much preffer broccoli, bean sprouts, soy, > and peanuts as a protein source). I have never had a reaction from eating > it. It has a faint "mushroom" taste, but other than that, it doesn't have > alot of flavor on its own. It's not really vegan, but Marlow foods is > working on a replacement for the egg albumin to make it acceptable to > vegans. Rather than castigating Marlow foods, they should be praised for > creating a more environmentally friendly protein source. Quorn is not aimed > primarily at hardcore vegetarians, but the legions of people who want > something that resembles meat and that they know how to cook with- people > for whom tofu is just too wierd, or perhaps people who aren't ready to dive > headlong into those brussel sprouts and broccolli. I'd like to try Quorn sometime. -Rubystars |
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"Ray" > wrote in message <snip> > Also please note that you will receive abuse from the aaev newsgroup. Some > of it's > members eat meat, moselty uncooked:-) I have been known to eat a little raw fish, but I have no intention of being abusive. -Rubystars |
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"Ray" > wrote in message <snip> > Also please note that you will receive abuse from the aaev newsgroup. Some > of it's > members eat meat, moselty uncooked:-) I have been known to eat a little raw fish, but I have no intention of being abusive. -Rubystars |
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"C. James Strutz" > wrote in message ... > > "Ray" > wrote in message > ... > > > > "Vicky Conlan" > wrote in message > > .. . > > > According to >: > > > >> I suspect there was tofu, if you looked hard enough, since it's > a > > > >> traditional Japanese staple. > > > >When I became a vegetarian, there wad no internet, thought of > that you > > dumb > > > >broad? > > > > > > Eh? What has the internet got to do with anything? > > How are you suposed to know what is available from other parts of > the world > > withoutthe internet? > > > > > > >How was I supposed what the nips eat? > > > > > > By not being completely isolated in your own culture? > > > > Why not, i am English > > So what? So nothing, I explaining my culture, or to be more exact my country. > > > > >Plus, was it available in this country? > > > > > > I have no idea. What country are you in? > > > > Learn to read the headers > > Learn to be tolerant. My tollerance threshold of idiots is low. > > > > >> Are you sure it's not 'all'? I've not been aware of any that > didn't. > > > >You are not aware of many things. > > > > > > This is true. But I have been buying and eating quorn for many > years. > > > And I've made a point to read the ingredients. I am not aware of > any > > > not using egg white in the ingredients. If you know of any > specific > > > products, I would be interested to know about them. > > > > > > >> It is now, it used to be from battery hens. > > > >I'm not talking about the past idiot, I stated the present facts. > > > > > > And I stated a fact about the past. Not sure why you think this > makes > > > me an idiot, but you appear to be being impressively defensive and > hostile > > > for no apparent reason. Are you normally like this, or just > having a > > > particularly grouchy day today? > > > > No I think you deserve a little education of how one should respond > when > > posting in a new group > > And I think you need a little education in courtesy. Care to give me some? > > > > > Quorn was never intended as > > > >> a 'vegetarian' food, it was marketted as 'low fat'. It's only > a small > > > >> unintentional that it ended up being taken up by the vegetarian > market. > > > >Says who? produce facts. > > > > > > > > > http://groups.google.co.uk/groups?q=...vegetarian+bat > tery&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&selm=37BD7578.5ACA5597%40btinternet.com&rnum=4 > > > > > > >Your links are crap, so is your posting, it lacks substance or > facts. > > > > > > I didn't post any links. > > > > > > > > >These links are garbage > > > > > > It's a signature. So filter signatures if you don't like them. > > > > **** poor sig. > > **** poor demeanor. Now listen, I responded to a perfectly normal posting on Quorn, why does that cause you a problem? I did not offer argument, or eequest a response. If that causes you a problem -Tough. > > > > >We have enough of idiots on this group withou the likes of you. > > > > > > Which is "this group"? The original post was crossposted. I'm > not > > > aware of having seen you before on rec.food.veg, but if your tone > of > > > posting is normally like this, it's no great loss. > > > > You have nothing to offer, take yourself and your stipid sig and go > to hell. > > No. I'm not feeling grumpy, or any of the other dwarfs, just sick of > people > > like you. > > Her signature is fine, deal with it. Her sig is crap, you deal with it Jew Boy. > > > > http://comps.org/ <> http://comps-offline.co.uk/ <> > > http://comps-online.co.uk/ > > > > That's a sig? > > > > Don't bother to respond. > > You have social issues, get help. I have no social issues and I try to be polite, so FOAD. End of my participation in this thread. > > |
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"C. James Strutz" > wrote in message ... > > "Ray" > wrote in message > ... > > > > "Vicky Conlan" > wrote in message > > .. . > > > According to >: > > > >> I suspect there was tofu, if you looked hard enough, since it's > a > > > >> traditional Japanese staple. > > > >When I became a vegetarian, there wad no internet, thought of > that you > > dumb > > > >broad? > > > > > > Eh? What has the internet got to do with anything? > > How are you suposed to know what is available from other parts of > the world > > withoutthe internet? > > > > > > >How was I supposed what the nips eat? > > > > > > By not being completely isolated in your own culture? > > > > Why not, i am English > > So what? So nothing, I explaining my culture, or to be more exact my country. > > > > >Plus, was it available in this country? > > > > > > I have no idea. What country are you in? > > > > Learn to read the headers > > Learn to be tolerant. My tollerance threshold of idiots is low. > > > > >> Are you sure it's not 'all'? I've not been aware of any that > didn't. > > > >You are not aware of many things. > > > > > > This is true. But I have been buying and eating quorn for many > years. > > > And I've made a point to read the ingredients. I am not aware of > any > > > not using egg white in the ingredients. If you know of any > specific > > > products, I would be interested to know about them. > > > > > > >> It is now, it used to be from battery hens. > > > >I'm not talking about the past idiot, I stated the present facts. > > > > > > And I stated a fact about the past. Not sure why you think this > makes > > > me an idiot, but you appear to be being impressively defensive and > hostile > > > for no apparent reason. Are you normally like this, or just > having a > > > particularly grouchy day today? > > > > No I think you deserve a little education of how one should respond > when > > posting in a new group > > And I think you need a little education in courtesy. Care to give me some? > > > > > Quorn was never intended as > > > >> a 'vegetarian' food, it was marketted as 'low fat'. It's only > a small > > > >> unintentional that it ended up being taken up by the vegetarian > market. > > > >Says who? produce facts. > > > > > > > > > http://groups.google.co.uk/groups?q=...vegetarian+bat > tery&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&selm=37BD7578.5ACA5597%40btinternet.com&rnum=4 > > > > > > >Your links are crap, so is your posting, it lacks substance or > facts. > > > > > > I didn't post any links. > > > > > > > > >These links are garbage > > > > > > It's a signature. So filter signatures if you don't like them. > > > > **** poor sig. > > **** poor demeanor. Now listen, I responded to a perfectly normal posting on Quorn, why does that cause you a problem? I did not offer argument, or eequest a response. If that causes you a problem -Tough. > > > > >We have enough of idiots on this group withou the likes of you. > > > > > > Which is "this group"? The original post was crossposted. I'm > not > > > aware of having seen you before on rec.food.veg, but if your tone > of > > > posting is normally like this, it's no great loss. > > > > You have nothing to offer, take yourself and your stipid sig and go > to hell. > > No. I'm not feeling grumpy, or any of the other dwarfs, just sick of > people > > like you. > > Her signature is fine, deal with it. Her sig is crap, you deal with it Jew Boy. > > > > http://comps.org/ <> http://comps-offline.co.uk/ <> > > http://comps-online.co.uk/ > > > > That's a sig? > > > > Don't bother to respond. > > You have social issues, get help. I have no social issues and I try to be polite, so FOAD. End of my participation in this thread. > > |
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"Ray" > wrote in message ... > > > > >When I became a vegetarian, there wad no internet, thought of > > that you > > > dumb > > > > >broad? > > > > >How was I supposed what the nips eat? > > > > > So nothing, I explaining my culture, or to be more exact my country. > My tollerance threshold of idiots is low. > > > > >You are not aware of many things. > > > > >I'm not talking about the past idiot, I stated the present facts. > > > > > > > No I think you deserve a little education of how one should respond > > when > > > posting in a new group > > > > >Your links are crap, so is your posting, it lacks substance or > > facts. > > > > >These links are garbage > > > **** poor sig. > Now listen, I responded to a perfectly normal posting on Quorn, why >does that cause you a problem? I did not offer argument, or eequest a >response. If that causes you a problem -Tough. > > > > >We have enough of idiots on this group withou the likes of you. > > > You have nothing to offer, take yourself and your stipid sig and go > > to hell. > > > No. I'm not feeling grumpy, or any of the other dwarfs, just sick of > > people > > > like you. > Her sig is crap, you deal with it Jew Boy. > I have no social issues and I try to be polite, so FOAD. These are all quotes of yours Ray. I think they show very clearly your severe lack of respect for others. Your racist comments are to say the least juvenile and uncalled for. I can only hope that you were sterilized at birth and thusly have not and cannot produce offspring. Your last quote is hilarious, it could qualify as a bumper sticker, or is that where "you" got it from? |
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"Ray" > wrote in message ... > > > > >When I became a vegetarian, there wad no internet, thought of > > that you > > > dumb > > > > >broad? > > > > >How was I supposed what the nips eat? > > > > > So nothing, I explaining my culture, or to be more exact my country. > My tollerance threshold of idiots is low. > > > > >You are not aware of many things. > > > > >I'm not talking about the past idiot, I stated the present facts. > > > > > > > No I think you deserve a little education of how one should respond > > when > > > posting in a new group > > > > >Your links are crap, so is your posting, it lacks substance or > > facts. > > > > >These links are garbage > > > **** poor sig. > Now listen, I responded to a perfectly normal posting on Quorn, why >does that cause you a problem? I did not offer argument, or eequest a >response. If that causes you a problem -Tough. > > > > >We have enough of idiots on this group withou the likes of you. > > > You have nothing to offer, take yourself and your stipid sig and go > > to hell. > > > No. I'm not feeling grumpy, or any of the other dwarfs, just sick of > > people > > > like you. > Her sig is crap, you deal with it Jew Boy. > I have no social issues and I try to be polite, so FOAD. These are all quotes of yours Ray. I think they show very clearly your severe lack of respect for others. Your racist comments are to say the least juvenile and uncalled for. I can only hope that you were sterilized at birth and thusly have not and cannot produce offspring. Your last quote is hilarious, it could qualify as a bumper sticker, or is that where "you" got it from? |
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"Ray" > wrote in message ... > > "C. James Strutz" > wrote in message > ... > > > > "Ray" > wrote in message > > ... > > > > I have no idea. What country are you in? > > > > > > Learn to read the headers > > > > Learn to be tolerant. > > My tollerance threshold of idiots is low. How do you tolerate yourself then? BTW, it's "tolerance" - use your spell checker. > > > No I think you deserve a little education of how one should respond > > when > > > posting in a new group > > > > And I think you need a little education in courtesy. > Care to give me some? Read on. > > > **** poor sig. > > > > **** poor demeanor. > > Now listen, I responded to a perfectly normal posting on Quorn, why does > that cause you a problem? Yeah, you responded rudely and abusively to a normal post. That's the problem I have with it. > > Her signature is fine, deal with it. > > Her sig is crap, you deal with it Jew Boy. Jew Boy??! Ah yes, we are all Jews in the U.S. and that's reason enough to hate us, right? You are one ugly *******. > > > That's a sig? > > > > > > Don't bother to respond. > > > > You have social issues, get help. > > I have no social issues and I try to be polite, so FOAD. You are angry, stupid, and rude for starters. You don't have a lot going for you. > End of my participation in this thread. I don't think so. |
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"Ray" > wrote in message ... > > "C. James Strutz" > wrote in message > ... > > > > "Ray" > wrote in message > > ... > > > > I have no idea. What country are you in? > > > > > > Learn to read the headers > > > > Learn to be tolerant. > > My tollerance threshold of idiots is low. How do you tolerate yourself then? BTW, it's "tolerance" - use your spell checker. > > > No I think you deserve a little education of how one should respond > > when > > > posting in a new group > > > > And I think you need a little education in courtesy. > Care to give me some? Read on. > > > **** poor sig. > > > > **** poor demeanor. > > Now listen, I responded to a perfectly normal posting on Quorn, why does > that cause you a problem? Yeah, you responded rudely and abusively to a normal post. That's the problem I have with it. > > Her signature is fine, deal with it. > > Her sig is crap, you deal with it Jew Boy. Jew Boy??! Ah yes, we are all Jews in the U.S. and that's reason enough to hate us, right? You are one ugly *******. > > > That's a sig? > > > > > > Don't bother to respond. > > > > You have social issues, get help. > > I have no social issues and I try to be polite, so FOAD. You are angry, stupid, and rude for starters. You don't have a lot going for you. > End of my participation in this thread. I don't think so. |
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"SansMeat" > wrote in message .. . > > "Ray" > wrote in message > ... > > > > "SansMeat" > wrote in message > > .. . > > > > > > "Ray" > wrote in message > > > ... > > > > When I became a vegetarian some thirty odd years ago, there was little > > on > > > > the > > > > market to make the transition easy. There was no 'Quorn' or 'Tofu', > just > > > > TPV. > > > > Although TVP can be made palatable by a half decent cook, it remains > > just > > > > that > > > > 'palatable' > > > > > > I think tofu has been around just wee bit longer than TVP. Since > > "palatable" > > > to my understanding means "pleasant tasting" I'm not sure what your > trying > > > to say in regards to using TVP. > > > > My understanding of palatable is "acceptable", and nothing more. > > > > My mistake. You are correct. > > But put yourself in my position some thirty years ago. People like myself > > trying to live a decent life, did not have all the knowledge easilly > > obtained from the internet. OTOH TVP was easy to obtain and so were the > > bland recipes > > > > > > > > > > Now that we have 'Quorn', there is no need for 'would be' ethical > > > > vegetarians to suffer > > > > from meat withdrawal symptoms. Some of the Quorn products now on the > > > market > > > > taste > > > > dangerously like meat! > > > > > > Why is it "dangerous" to taste like meat? > > > > Depends on your attitude, some may state that if you like the taste of > meat, > > you are a hypocite for eating substitutes Remember I usually post from the > > rough NG aaev, where the real work is done.. > > But I like grilled portabello mushrooms which are said to have a "steak" > like flavour (which I agree), that shouldn't prevent a vegetarian from > eating them should it? I personally don't think flavour should be an issue > as to whether or not you are a "good" vegetarian. > > I'm not familiar with what "NG aaev" is, can you help me here? ==================== NewsGroup, alt.animals.ethics.vegetarian try reading headers.. but, it might be a rough group for ray and the other ar loons, only because they've never been able to defend their ignorant vegan religious idiocy... Their hypocrisy reeks here.... |
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"SansMeat" > wrote in message .. . > > "Ray" > wrote in message > ... > > > > "SansMeat" > wrote in message > > .. . > > > > > > "Ray" > wrote in message > > > ... > > > > When I became a vegetarian some thirty odd years ago, there was little > > on > > > > the > > > > market to make the transition easy. There was no 'Quorn' or 'Tofu', > just > > > > TPV. > > > > Although TVP can be made palatable by a half decent cook, it remains > > just > > > > that > > > > 'palatable' > > > > > > I think tofu has been around just wee bit longer than TVP. Since > > "palatable" > > > to my understanding means "pleasant tasting" I'm not sure what your > trying > > > to say in regards to using TVP. > > > > My understanding of palatable is "acceptable", and nothing more. > > > > My mistake. You are correct. > > But put yourself in my position some thirty years ago. People like myself > > trying to live a decent life, did not have all the knowledge easilly > > obtained from the internet. OTOH TVP was easy to obtain and so were the > > bland recipes > > > > > > > > > > Now that we have 'Quorn', there is no need for 'would be' ethical > > > > vegetarians to suffer > > > > from meat withdrawal symptoms. Some of the Quorn products now on the > > > market > > > > taste > > > > dangerously like meat! > > > > > > Why is it "dangerous" to taste like meat? > > > > Depends on your attitude, some may state that if you like the taste of > meat, > > you are a hypocite for eating substitutes Remember I usually post from the > > rough NG aaev, where the real work is done.. > > But I like grilled portabello mushrooms which are said to have a "steak" > like flavour (which I agree), that shouldn't prevent a vegetarian from > eating them should it? I personally don't think flavour should be an issue > as to whether or not you are a "good" vegetarian. > > I'm not familiar with what "NG aaev" is, can you help me here? ==================== NewsGroup, alt.animals.ethics.vegetarian try reading headers.. but, it might be a rough group for ray and the other ar loons, only because they've never been able to defend their ignorant vegan religious idiocy... Their hypocrisy reeks here.... |
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"rick etter" > wrote in message nk.net... > > "SansMeat" > wrote in message > .. . > > > > "Ray" > wrote in message > > ... > > > > > > "SansMeat" > wrote in message > > > .. . > > > > > > > > "Ray" > wrote in message > > > > ... > > > > > When I became a vegetarian some thirty odd years ago, there was > little > > > on > > > > > the > > > > > market to make the transition easy. There was no 'Quorn' or 'Tofu', > > just > > > > > TPV. > > > > > Although TVP can be made palatable by a half decent cook, it remains > > > just > > > > > that > > > > > 'palatable' > > > > > > > > I think tofu has been around just wee bit longer than TVP. Since > > > "palatable" > > > > to my understanding means "pleasant tasting" I'm not sure what your > > trying > > > > to say in regards to using TVP. > > > > > > My understanding of palatable is "acceptable", and nothing more. > > > > > > My mistake. You are correct. > > > But put yourself in my position some thirty years ago. People like > myself > > > trying to live a decent life, did not have all the knowledge easilly > > > obtained from the internet. OTOH TVP was easy to obtain and so were the > > > bland recipes > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now that we have 'Quorn', there is no need for 'would be' ethical > > > > > vegetarians to suffer > > > > > from meat withdrawal symptoms. Some of the Quorn products now on the > > > > market > > > > > taste > > > > > dangerously like meat! > > > > > > > > Why is it "dangerous" to taste like meat? > > > > > > Depends on your attitude, some may state that if you like the taste of > > meat, > > > you are a hypocite for eating substitutes Remember I usually post from > the > > > rough NG aaev, where the real work is done.. > > > > But I like grilled portabello mushrooms which are said to have a "steak" > > like flavour (which I agree), that shouldn't prevent a vegetarian from > > eating them should it? I personally don't think flavour should be an issue > > as to whether or not you are a "good" vegetarian. > > > > I'm not familiar with what "NG aaev" is, can you help me here? > ==================== > NewsGroup, alt.animals.ethics.vegetarian > > try reading headers.. Thanks for jumping in and helping out. I was wondering though, why is it that with every little effort to help there seems to be that slight jab at someones intelligence or ability to do something that you feel you can do better? When I offer to help someone I do it out of a sincere desire to help someone not to belittle them. If someone falls and I lend a hand up I don't chastise them for falling, I simply offer the help. I will in the future do my very best to "read headers" so as not to offend or spark any major controversies. Again, thank-you for your kind help and advice. > but, it might be a rough group for ray and the other ar loons, only because > they've never been able to defend their ignorant vegan religious idiocy... > Their hypocrisy reeks here.... Why do people in NG's fight about everything? I don't see neighbours at war over whether one eats meat and the other doesn't, do you? In the NG's its a common occurence to see people fighting with such furor that its almost frightening. If you disagree with the majority of bullies that runs whatever NG you are "loon" or a "troll" or whatever other name they label you with. Certainly there must be others who lurk out there that are sick of this and want to speak up but don't want the hassles that come with it. Speak up, lets hear from you so the number of sane people can be seen and perhaps you can start your own forum somewhere where you can eliminate the "bullies and just get back to having decent discussions without name calling and rude people. > > > > |
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"rick etter" > wrote in message nk.net... > > "SansMeat" > wrote in message > .. . > > > > "Ray" > wrote in message > > ... > > > > > > "SansMeat" > wrote in message > > > .. . > > > > > > > > "Ray" > wrote in message > > > > ... > > > > > When I became a vegetarian some thirty odd years ago, there was > little > > > on > > > > > the > > > > > market to make the transition easy. There was no 'Quorn' or 'Tofu', > > just > > > > > TPV. > > > > > Although TVP can be made palatable by a half decent cook, it remains > > > just > > > > > that > > > > > 'palatable' > > > > > > > > I think tofu has been around just wee bit longer than TVP. Since > > > "palatable" > > > > to my understanding means "pleasant tasting" I'm not sure what your > > trying > > > > to say in regards to using TVP. > > > > > > My understanding of palatable is "acceptable", and nothing more. > > > > > > My mistake. You are correct. > > > But put yourself in my position some thirty years ago. People like > myself > > > trying to live a decent life, did not have all the knowledge easilly > > > obtained from the internet. OTOH TVP was easy to obtain and so were the > > > bland recipes > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now that we have 'Quorn', there is no need for 'would be' ethical > > > > > vegetarians to suffer > > > > > from meat withdrawal symptoms. Some of the Quorn products now on the > > > > market > > > > > taste > > > > > dangerously like meat! > > > > > > > > Why is it "dangerous" to taste like meat? > > > > > > Depends on your attitude, some may state that if you like the taste of > > meat, > > > you are a hypocite for eating substitutes Remember I usually post from > the > > > rough NG aaev, where the real work is done.. > > > > But I like grilled portabello mushrooms which are said to have a "steak" > > like flavour (which I agree), that shouldn't prevent a vegetarian from > > eating them should it? I personally don't think flavour should be an issue > > as to whether or not you are a "good" vegetarian. > > > > I'm not familiar with what "NG aaev" is, can you help me here? > ==================== > NewsGroup, alt.animals.ethics.vegetarian > > try reading headers.. Thanks for jumping in and helping out. I was wondering though, why is it that with every little effort to help there seems to be that slight jab at someones intelligence or ability to do something that you feel you can do better? When I offer to help someone I do it out of a sincere desire to help someone not to belittle them. If someone falls and I lend a hand up I don't chastise them for falling, I simply offer the help. I will in the future do my very best to "read headers" so as not to offend or spark any major controversies. Again, thank-you for your kind help and advice. > but, it might be a rough group for ray and the other ar loons, only because > they've never been able to defend their ignorant vegan religious idiocy... > Their hypocrisy reeks here.... Why do people in NG's fight about everything? I don't see neighbours at war over whether one eats meat and the other doesn't, do you? In the NG's its a common occurence to see people fighting with such furor that its almost frightening. If you disagree with the majority of bullies that runs whatever NG you are "loon" or a "troll" or whatever other name they label you with. Certainly there must be others who lurk out there that are sick of this and want to speak up but don't want the hassles that come with it. Speak up, lets hear from you so the number of sane people can be seen and perhaps you can start your own forum somewhere where you can eliminate the "bullies and just get back to having decent discussions without name calling and rude people. > > > > |
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"SansMeat" > wrote in message .. . > > "rick etter" > wrote in message > nk.net... > > > > "SansMeat" > wrote in message > > .. . > > > > > > "Ray" > wrote in message > > > ... > > > > > > > > "SansMeat" > wrote in message > > > > .. . > > > > > > > > > > "Ray" > wrote in message > > > > > ... > > > > > > When I became a vegetarian some thirty odd years ago, there was > > little > > > > on > > > > > > the > > > > > > market to make the transition easy. There was no 'Quorn' or > 'Tofu', > > > just > > > > > > TPV. > > > > > > Although TVP can be made palatable by a half decent cook, it > remains > > > > just > > > > > > that > > > > > > 'palatable' > > > > > > > > > > I think tofu has been around just wee bit longer than TVP. Since > > > > "palatable" > > > > > to my understanding means "pleasant tasting" I'm not sure what your > > > trying > > > > > to say in regards to using TVP. > > > > > > > > My understanding of palatable is "acceptable", and nothing more. > > > > > > > > My mistake. You are correct. > > > > But put yourself in my position some thirty years ago. People like > > myself > > > > trying to live a decent life, did not have all the knowledge easilly > > > > obtained from the internet. OTOH TVP was easy to obtain and so were > the > > > > bland recipes > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now that we have 'Quorn', there is no need for 'would be' ethical > > > > > > vegetarians to suffer > > > > > > from meat withdrawal symptoms. Some of the Quorn products now on > the > > > > > market > > > > > > taste > > > > > > dangerously like meat! > > > > > > > > > > Why is it "dangerous" to taste like meat? > > > > > > > > Depends on your attitude, some may state that if you like the taste of > > > meat, > > > > you are a hypocite for eating substitutes Remember I usually post from > > the > > > > rough NG aaev, where the real work is done.. > > > > > > But I like grilled portabello mushrooms which are said to have a "steak" > > > like flavour (which I agree), that shouldn't prevent a vegetarian from > > > eating them should it? I personally don't think flavour should be an > issue > > > as to whether or not you are a "good" vegetarian. > > > > > > I'm not familiar with what "NG aaev" is, can you help me here? > > ==================== > > NewsGroup, alt.animals.ethics.vegetarian > > > > try reading headers.. > > Thanks for jumping in and helping out. I was wondering though, why is it > that with every little effort to help there seems to be that slight jab at > someones intelligence or ability to do something that you feel you can do > better? When I offer to help someone I do it out of a sincere desire to help > someone not to belittle them. If someone falls and I lend a hand up I don't > chastise them for falling, I simply offer the help. I will in the future do > my very best to "read headers" so as not to offend or spark any major > controversies. Again, thank-you for your kind help and advice. ================== Some is ignorance, much is terminal stupidity. If you are here on newsgroups, and posting to this group, one would think that you would have at least a bit of insight as to what was being said, and where you are. Obviously, you post with your eyes, and possibly you mind, closed. Is that it? You're welcome, anyway. > > > > but, it might be a rough group for ray and the other ar loons, only > because > > they've never been able to defend their ignorant vegan religious idiocy... > > Their hypocrisy reeks here.... > > Why do people in NG's fight about everything? ====================== Where's the fight? vegans are just too ignorant to see the truth. No fighting, just illustrating their stupidity... I don't see neighbours at war > over whether one eats meat and the other doesn't, do you? ================== Nope, because I don't have any neighbors trying to tell me what I should eat. there are vegans here that would declare meat illegal if they had that power. There is the difference. In the NG's its a > common occurence to see people fighting with such furor that its almost > frightening. If you disagree with the majority of bullies that runs whatever > NG you are "loon" or a "troll" or whatever other name they label you with. > Certainly there must be others who lurk out there that are sick of this and > want to speak up but don't want the hassles that come with it. Speak up, > lets hear from you so the number of sane people can be seen and perhaps you > can start your own forum somewhere where you can eliminate the "bullies and > just get back to having decent discussions without name calling and rude > people. ================== Simple solution to that problem, don't post ignorant, stupid, religious idiocy. Which is all that usenet-veganism is. Besides, there are no real vegans here on usenet. The unecessary death and suffering of animals would be of real concern to real vegans. Usenet vegans prove with each inane post they make that unecessary animal death and suffering is not a concern of theirs. > > > > > > > > > > |
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"SansMeat" > wrote in message .. . > > "rick etter" > wrote in message > nk.net... > > > > "SansMeat" > wrote in message > > .. . > > > > > > "Ray" > wrote in message > > > ... > > > > > > > > "SansMeat" > wrote in message > > > > .. . > > > > > > > > > > "Ray" > wrote in message > > > > > ... > > > > > > When I became a vegetarian some thirty odd years ago, there was > > little > > > > on > > > > > > the > > > > > > market to make the transition easy. There was no 'Quorn' or > 'Tofu', > > > just > > > > > > TPV. > > > > > > Although TVP can be made palatable by a half decent cook, it > remains > > > > just > > > > > > that > > > > > > 'palatable' > > > > > > > > > > I think tofu has been around just wee bit longer than TVP. Since > > > > "palatable" > > > > > to my understanding means "pleasant tasting" I'm not sure what your > > > trying > > > > > to say in regards to using TVP. > > > > > > > > My understanding of palatable is "acceptable", and nothing more. > > > > > > > > My mistake. You are correct. > > > > But put yourself in my position some thirty years ago. People like > > myself > > > > trying to live a decent life, did not have all the knowledge easilly > > > > obtained from the internet. OTOH TVP was easy to obtain and so were > the > > > > bland recipes > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now that we have 'Quorn', there is no need for 'would be' ethical > > > > > > vegetarians to suffer > > > > > > from meat withdrawal symptoms. Some of the Quorn products now on > the > > > > > market > > > > > > taste > > > > > > dangerously like meat! > > > > > > > > > > Why is it "dangerous" to taste like meat? > > > > > > > > Depends on your attitude, some may state that if you like the taste of > > > meat, > > > > you are a hypocite for eating substitutes Remember I usually post from > > the > > > > rough NG aaev, where the real work is done.. > > > > > > But I like grilled portabello mushrooms which are said to have a "steak" > > > like flavour (which I agree), that shouldn't prevent a vegetarian from > > > eating them should it? I personally don't think flavour should be an > issue > > > as to whether or not you are a "good" vegetarian. > > > > > > I'm not familiar with what "NG aaev" is, can you help me here? > > ==================== > > NewsGroup, alt.animals.ethics.vegetarian > > > > try reading headers.. > > Thanks for jumping in and helping out. I was wondering though, why is it > that with every little effort to help there seems to be that slight jab at > someones intelligence or ability to do something that you feel you can do > better? When I offer to help someone I do it out of a sincere desire to help > someone not to belittle them. If someone falls and I lend a hand up I don't > chastise them for falling, I simply offer the help. I will in the future do > my very best to "read headers" so as not to offend or spark any major > controversies. Again, thank-you for your kind help and advice. ================== Some is ignorance, much is terminal stupidity. If you are here on newsgroups, and posting to this group, one would think that you would have at least a bit of insight as to what was being said, and where you are. Obviously, you post with your eyes, and possibly you mind, closed. Is that it? You're welcome, anyway. > > > > but, it might be a rough group for ray and the other ar loons, only > because > > they've never been able to defend their ignorant vegan religious idiocy... > > Their hypocrisy reeks here.... > > Why do people in NG's fight about everything? ====================== Where's the fight? vegans are just too ignorant to see the truth. No fighting, just illustrating their stupidity... I don't see neighbours at war > over whether one eats meat and the other doesn't, do you? ================== Nope, because I don't have any neighbors trying to tell me what I should eat. there are vegans here that would declare meat illegal if they had that power. There is the difference. In the NG's its a > common occurence to see people fighting with such furor that its almost > frightening. If you disagree with the majority of bullies that runs whatever > NG you are "loon" or a "troll" or whatever other name they label you with. > Certainly there must be others who lurk out there that are sick of this and > want to speak up but don't want the hassles that come with it. Speak up, > lets hear from you so the number of sane people can be seen and perhaps you > can start your own forum somewhere where you can eliminate the "bullies and > just get back to having decent discussions without name calling and rude > people. ================== Simple solution to that problem, don't post ignorant, stupid, religious idiocy. Which is all that usenet-veganism is. Besides, there are no real vegans here on usenet. The unecessary death and suffering of animals would be of real concern to real vegans. Usenet vegans prove with each inane post they make that unecessary animal death and suffering is not a concern of theirs. > > > > > > > > > > |
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"SansMeat" > wrote in message .. . > > "Ray" > wrote in message > ... >> >> "SansMeat" > wrote in message >> .. . >> > >> > "Ray" > wrote in message >> > ... >> > > When I became a vegetarian some thirty odd years ago, there was >> > > little >> on >> > > the >> > > market to make the transition easy. There was no 'Quorn' or 'Tofu', > just >> > > TPV. >> > > Although TVP can be made palatable by a half decent cook, it remains >> just >> > > that >> > > 'palatable' >> > >> > I think tofu has been around just wee bit longer than TVP. Since >> "palatable" >> > to my understanding means "pleasant tasting" I'm not sure what your > trying >> > to say in regards to using TVP. >> >> My understanding of palatable is "acceptable", and nothing more. >> >> My mistake. You are correct. >> But put yourself in my position some thirty years ago. People like myself >> trying to live a decent life, did not have all the knowledge easilly >> obtained from the internet. OTOH TVP was easy to obtain and so were the >> bland recipes >> > >> > >> > > Now that we have 'Quorn', there is no need for 'would be' ethical >> > > vegetarians to suffer >> > > from meat withdrawal symptoms. Some of the Quorn products now on the >> > market >> > > taste >> > > dangerously like meat! >> > >> > Why is it "dangerous" to taste like meat? >> >> Depends on your attitude, some may state that if you like the taste of > meat, >> you are a hypocite for eating substitutes Remember I usually post from >> the >> rough NG aaev, where the real work is done.. > > But I like grilled portabello mushrooms which are said to have a "steak" > like flavour (which I agree), that shouldn't prevent a vegetarian from > eating them should it? I personally don't think flavour should be an issue > as to whether or not you are a "good" vegetarian. > > I'm not familiar with what "NG aaev" is, can you help me here? Certainly. alt.animals.ethics.vegetarian. (It's a bearpit) I mentioned the fact that eating meat substitutes, may be twisted by the inmates on this group. They will say that you are a hypocrite and really want to eat meat. Don't ask me why - I don't know:-) They are certainly not my views. Ray > > > > > > > |
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"SansMeat" > wrote in message .. . > > "Ray" > wrote in message > ... >> >> "SansMeat" > wrote in message >> .. . >> > >> > "Ray" > wrote in message >> > ... >> > > When I became a vegetarian some thirty odd years ago, there was >> > > little >> on >> > > the >> > > market to make the transition easy. There was no 'Quorn' or 'Tofu', > just >> > > TPV. >> > > Although TVP can be made palatable by a half decent cook, it remains >> just >> > > that >> > > 'palatable' >> > >> > I think tofu has been around just wee bit longer than TVP. Since >> "palatable" >> > to my understanding means "pleasant tasting" I'm not sure what your > trying >> > to say in regards to using TVP. >> >> My understanding of palatable is "acceptable", and nothing more. >> >> My mistake. You are correct. >> But put yourself in my position some thirty years ago. People like myself >> trying to live a decent life, did not have all the knowledge easilly >> obtained from the internet. OTOH TVP was easy to obtain and so were the >> bland recipes >> > >> > >> > > Now that we have 'Quorn', there is no need for 'would be' ethical >> > > vegetarians to suffer >> > > from meat withdrawal symptoms. Some of the Quorn products now on the >> > market >> > > taste >> > > dangerously like meat! >> > >> > Why is it "dangerous" to taste like meat? >> >> Depends on your attitude, some may state that if you like the taste of > meat, >> you are a hypocite for eating substitutes Remember I usually post from >> the >> rough NG aaev, where the real work is done.. > > But I like grilled portabello mushrooms which are said to have a "steak" > like flavour (which I agree), that shouldn't prevent a vegetarian from > eating them should it? I personally don't think flavour should be an issue > as to whether or not you are a "good" vegetarian. > > I'm not familiar with what "NG aaev" is, can you help me here? Certainly. alt.animals.ethics.vegetarian. (It's a bearpit) I mentioned the fact that eating meat substitutes, may be twisted by the inmates on this group. They will say that you are a hypocrite and really want to eat meat. Don't ask me why - I don't know:-) They are certainly not my views. Ray > > > > > > > |
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"rick etter" > wrote in message ink.net... > > "SansMeat" > wrote in message > .. . > > > > "rick etter" > wrote in message > > nk.net... > > > > > > "SansMeat" > wrote in message > > > .. . > > > > > > > > "Ray" > wrote in message > > > > ... > > > > > > > > > > "SansMeat" > wrote in message > > > > > .. . > > > > > > > > > > > > "Ray" > wrote in message > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > When I became a vegetarian some thirty odd years ago, there was > > > little > > > > > on > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > market to make the transition easy. There was no 'Quorn' or > > 'Tofu', > > > > just > > > > > > > TPV. > > > > > > > Although TVP can be made palatable by a half decent cook, it > > remains > > > > > just > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > 'palatable' > > > > > > > > > > > > I think tofu has been around just wee bit longer than TVP. Since > > > > > "palatable" > > > > > > to my understanding means "pleasant tasting" I'm not sure what > your > > > > trying > > > > > > to say in regards to using TVP. > > > > > > > > > > My understanding of palatable is "acceptable", and nothing more. > > > > > > > > > > My mistake. You are correct. > > > > > But put yourself in my position some thirty years ago. People like > > > myself > > > > > trying to live a decent life, did not have all the knowledge easilly > > > > > obtained from the internet. OTOH TVP was easy to obtain and so were > > the > > > > > bland recipes > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now that we have 'Quorn', there is no need for 'would be' > ethical > > > > > > > vegetarians to suffer > > > > > > > from meat withdrawal symptoms. Some of the Quorn products now on > > the > > > > > > market > > > > > > > taste > > > > > > > dangerously like meat! > > > > > > > > > > > > Why is it "dangerous" to taste like meat? > > > > > > > > > > Depends on your attitude, some may state that if you like the taste > of > > > > meat, > > > > > you are a hypocite for eating substitutes Remember I usually post > from > > > the > > > > > rough NG aaev, where the real work is done.. > > > > > > > > But I like grilled portabello mushrooms which are said to have a > "steak" > > > > like flavour (which I agree), that shouldn't prevent a vegetarian from > > > > eating them should it? I personally don't think flavour should be an > > issue > > > > as to whether or not you are a "good" vegetarian. > > > > > > > > I'm not familiar with what "NG aaev" is, can you help me here? > > > ==================== > > > NewsGroup, alt.animals.ethics.vegetarian > > > > > > try reading headers.. > > > > Thanks for jumping in and helping out. I was wondering though, why is it > > that with every little effort to help there seems to be that slight jab at > > someones intelligence or ability to do something that you feel you can do > > better? When I offer to help someone I do it out of a sincere desire to > help > > someone not to belittle them. If someone falls and I lend a hand up I > don't > > chastise them for falling, I simply offer the help. I will in the future > do > > my very best to "read headers" so as not to offend or spark any major > > controversies. Again, thank-you for your kind help and advice. > ================== > Some is ignorance, much is terminal stupidity. If you are here on > newsgroups, and posting to this group, one would think that you would have > at least a bit of insight as to what was being said, and where you are. > Obviously, you post with your eyes, and possibly you mind, closed. Is that > it? You're welcome, anyway. Hmm, with no knowledge of who are what I am about I have been labeled as "terminally stupid" because I failed to read a header? That realy shows "your" intelligence I think. > > > > > but, it might be a rough group for ray and the other ar loons, only > > because > > > they've never been able to defend their ignorant vegan religious > idiocy... > > > Their hypocrisy reeks here.... > > > > Why do people in NG's fight about everything? > ====================== > Where's the fight? vegans are just too ignorant to see the truth. No > fighting, just illustrating their stupidity... > > > > I don't see neighbours at war > > over whether one eats meat and the other doesn't, do you? > ================== > Nope, because I don't have any neighbors trying to tell me what I should > eat. there are vegans here that would declare meat illegal if they had that > power. > There is the difference. Never mentioned "vegans", seems as though you have a problem with vegans that has impaired your ability to comprehend a simple conversation on anything else. > > In the NG's its a > > common occurence to see people fighting with such furor that its almost > > frightening. If you disagree with the majority of bullies that runs > whatever > > NG you are "loon" or a "troll" or whatever other name they label you with. > > Certainly there must be others who lurk out there that are sick of this > and > > want to speak up but don't want the hassles that come with it. Speak up, > > lets hear from you so the number of sane people can be seen and perhaps > you > > can start your own forum somewhere where you can eliminate the "bullies > and > > just get back to having decent discussions without name calling and rude > > people. > ================== > Simple solution to that problem, don't post ignorant, stupid, religious > idiocy. Which is all that usenet-veganism is. > Besides, there are no real vegans here on usenet. The unecessary death and > suffering of animals would be of real concern to real vegans. > Usenet vegans prove with each inane post they make that unecessary animal > death and suffering is not a concern of theirs. Again, I never mentioned "vegans" or "veganism". You are one-dimensional in your approach to inter-acting with others it seems. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > |
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"rick etter" > wrote in message ink.net... > > "SansMeat" > wrote in message > .. . > > > > "rick etter" > wrote in message > > nk.net... > > > > > > "SansMeat" > wrote in message > > > .. . > > > > > > > > "Ray" > wrote in message > > > > ... > > > > > > > > > > "SansMeat" > wrote in message > > > > > .. . > > > > > > > > > > > > "Ray" > wrote in message > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > When I became a vegetarian some thirty odd years ago, there was > > > little > > > > > on > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > market to make the transition easy. There was no 'Quorn' or > > 'Tofu', > > > > just > > > > > > > TPV. > > > > > > > Although TVP can be made palatable by a half decent cook, it > > remains > > > > > just > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > 'palatable' > > > > > > > > > > > > I think tofu has been around just wee bit longer than TVP. Since > > > > > "palatable" > > > > > > to my understanding means "pleasant tasting" I'm not sure what > your > > > > trying > > > > > > to say in regards to using TVP. > > > > > > > > > > My understanding of palatable is "acceptable", and nothing more. > > > > > > > > > > My mistake. You are correct. > > > > > But put yourself in my position some thirty years ago. People like > > > myself > > > > > trying to live a decent life, did not have all the knowledge easilly > > > > > obtained from the internet. OTOH TVP was easy to obtain and so were > > the > > > > > bland recipes > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now that we have 'Quorn', there is no need for 'would be' > ethical > > > > > > > vegetarians to suffer > > > > > > > from meat withdrawal symptoms. Some of the Quorn products now on > > the > > > > > > market > > > > > > > taste > > > > > > > dangerously like meat! > > > > > > > > > > > > Why is it "dangerous" to taste like meat? > > > > > > > > > > Depends on your attitude, some may state that if you like the taste > of > > > > meat, > > > > > you are a hypocite for eating substitutes Remember I usually post > from > > > the > > > > > rough NG aaev, where the real work is done.. > > > > > > > > But I like grilled portabello mushrooms which are said to have a > "steak" > > > > like flavour (which I agree), that shouldn't prevent a vegetarian from > > > > eating them should it? I personally don't think flavour should be an > > issue > > > > as to whether or not you are a "good" vegetarian. > > > > > > > > I'm not familiar with what "NG aaev" is, can you help me here? > > > ==================== > > > NewsGroup, alt.animals.ethics.vegetarian > > > > > > try reading headers.. > > > > Thanks for jumping in and helping out. I was wondering though, why is it > > that with every little effort to help there seems to be that slight jab at > > someones intelligence or ability to do something that you feel you can do > > better? When I offer to help someone I do it out of a sincere desire to > help > > someone not to belittle them. If someone falls and I lend a hand up I > don't > > chastise them for falling, I simply offer the help. I will in the future > do > > my very best to "read headers" so as not to offend or spark any major > > controversies. Again, thank-you for your kind help and advice. > ================== > Some is ignorance, much is terminal stupidity. If you are here on > newsgroups, and posting to this group, one would think that you would have > at least a bit of insight as to what was being said, and where you are. > Obviously, you post with your eyes, and possibly you mind, closed. Is that > it? You're welcome, anyway. Hmm, with no knowledge of who are what I am about I have been labeled as "terminally stupid" because I failed to read a header? That realy shows "your" intelligence I think. > > > > > but, it might be a rough group for ray and the other ar loons, only > > because > > > they've never been able to defend their ignorant vegan religious > idiocy... > > > Their hypocrisy reeks here.... > > > > Why do people in NG's fight about everything? > ====================== > Where's the fight? vegans are just too ignorant to see the truth. No > fighting, just illustrating their stupidity... > > > > I don't see neighbours at war > > over whether one eats meat and the other doesn't, do you? > ================== > Nope, because I don't have any neighbors trying to tell me what I should > eat. there are vegans here that would declare meat illegal if they had that > power. > There is the difference. Never mentioned "vegans", seems as though you have a problem with vegans that has impaired your ability to comprehend a simple conversation on anything else. > > In the NG's its a > > common occurence to see people fighting with such furor that its almost > > frightening. If you disagree with the majority of bullies that runs > whatever > > NG you are "loon" or a "troll" or whatever other name they label you with. > > Certainly there must be others who lurk out there that are sick of this > and > > want to speak up but don't want the hassles that come with it. Speak up, > > lets hear from you so the number of sane people can be seen and perhaps > you > > can start your own forum somewhere where you can eliminate the "bullies > and > > just get back to having decent discussions without name calling and rude > > people. > ================== > Simple solution to that problem, don't post ignorant, stupid, religious > idiocy. Which is all that usenet-veganism is. > Besides, there are no real vegans here on usenet. The unecessary death and > suffering of animals would be of real concern to real vegans. > Usenet vegans prove with each inane post they make that unecessary animal > death and suffering is not a concern of theirs. Again, I never mentioned "vegans" or "veganism". You are one-dimensional in your approach to inter-acting with others it seems. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > |
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"C. James Strutz" > wrote in message ... > > "Ray" > wrote in message > ... >> >> "C. James Strutz" > wrote in message >> ... >> > >> > "Ray" > wrote in message >> > ... > >> > > > I have no idea. What country are you in? >> > > >> > > Learn to read the headers >> > >> > Learn to be tolerant. >> >> My tollerance threshold of idiots is low. > > How do you tolerate yourself then? BTW, it's "tolerance" - use your > spell checker. You are correct, should be tolerance, but you are not exactly the first person to note that my spelling is poor. But you run 'tollerance' past spell checker, see what I mean? I use OE and it's spell checker is not good. ---------------------------------------- With the benefit of time and a little thought, My response to the initial posting of Vicky Conlan was well out of order and indeed, incorrect. Tofu 'was' freely available some 30 years ago. Secondly.my remarks to you were equally out of order and indeed offensive. I offer my sincere apologies to you both. I think the remainder is best snipped , hope you agree. <snip> > > |
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