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"Vicky Conlan" > wrote in message .. . > According to >: >>> I suspect there was tofu, if you looked hard enough, since it's a >>> traditional Japanese staple. >>When I became a vegetarian, there wad no internet, thought of that you >>dumb >>broad? > > Eh? What has the internet got to do with anything? > >>How was I supposed what the nips eat? > > By not being completely isolated in your own culture? > >>Plus, was it available in this country? > > I have no idea. What country are you in? > >>> Are you sure it's not 'all'? I've not been aware of any that didn't. >>You are not aware of many things. > > This is true. But I have been buying and eating quorn for many years. > And I've made a point to read the ingredients. I am not aware of any > not using egg white in the ingredients. If you know of any specific > products, I would be interested to know about them. > >>> It is now, it used to be from battery hens. >>I'm not talking about the past idiot, I stated the present facts. > > And I stated a fact about the past. Not sure why you think this makes > me an idiot, but you appear to be being impressively defensive and hostile > for no apparent reason. Are you normally like this, or just having a > particularly grouchy day today? > >> Quorn was never intended as >>> a 'vegetarian' food, it was marketted as 'low fat'. It's only a small >>> unintentional that it ended up being taken up by the vegetarian market. >>Says who? produce facts. > > http://groups.google.co.uk/groups?q=...net.com&rnum=4 > >>Your links are crap, so is your posting, it lacks substance or facts. > > I didn't post any links. > >>These links are garbage > > It's a signature. So filter signatures if you don't like them. > >>We have enough of idiots on this group withou the likes of you. > > Which is "this group"? The original post was crossposted. I'm not > aware of having seen you before on rec.food.veg, but if your tone of > posting is normally like this, it's no great loss. > > -- > http://comps.org/ <> http://comps-offline.co.uk/ <> > http://comps-online.co.uk/ The tone of my postings is not normally of this nature Vicky. I withdraw my offensive remarks and offer my sincere apologies. Also 'Tofu' was around some thirty years ago. Ray. |
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"Ray" > wrote in message ... > > "C. James Strutz" > wrote in message > ... > > > > "Ray" > wrote in message > > ... > >> > >> "C. James Strutz" > wrote in message > >> ... > >> > > >> > "Ray" > wrote in message > >> > ... > > > >> > > > I have no idea. What country are you in? > >> > > > >> > > Learn to read the headers > >> > > >> > Learn to be tolerant. > >> > >> My tollerance threshold of idiots is low. > > > > > How do you tolerate yourself then? BTW, it's "tolerance" - use your > > spell checker. > > You are correct, should be tolerance, but you are not exactly the first > person to note that my spelling is poor. > But you run 'tollerance' past spell checker, see what I mean? I use OE and > it's spell checker is not good. > > ---------------------------------------- > > With the benefit of time and a little thought, > > My response to the initial posting of Vicky Conlan was well out of order and > indeed, incorrect. Tofu 'was' freely available some 30 years ago. > > Secondly.my remarks to you were equally out of order and indeed offensive. > > I offer my sincere apologies to you both. > > I think the remainder is best snipped , hope you agree. > <Applause> |
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"Ray" > wrote in message ... > > "C. James Strutz" > wrote in message > ... > > > > "Ray" > wrote in message > > ... > >> > >> "C. James Strutz" > wrote in message > >> ... > >> > > >> > "Ray" > wrote in message > >> > ... > > > >> > > > I have no idea. What country are you in? > >> > > > >> > > Learn to read the headers > >> > > >> > Learn to be tolerant. > >> > >> My tollerance threshold of idiots is low. > > > > > How do you tolerate yourself then? BTW, it's "tolerance" - use your > > spell checker. > > You are correct, should be tolerance, but you are not exactly the first > person to note that my spelling is poor. > But you run 'tollerance' past spell checker, see what I mean? I use OE and > it's spell checker is not good. > > ---------------------------------------- > > With the benefit of time and a little thought, > > My response to the initial posting of Vicky Conlan was well out of order and > indeed, incorrect. Tofu 'was' freely available some 30 years ago. > > Secondly.my remarks to you were equally out of order and indeed offensive. > > I offer my sincere apologies to you both. > > I think the remainder is best snipped , hope you agree. > <Applause> |
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"Ray" > wrote in message ... > > "C. James Strutz" > wrote in message > ... > > > > "Ray" > wrote in message > > ... > >> > >> "C. James Strutz" > wrote in message > >> ... > >> > > >> > "Ray" > wrote in message > >> > ... > > > >> > > > I have no idea. What country are you in? > >> > > > >> > > Learn to read the headers > >> > > >> > Learn to be tolerant. > >> > >> My tollerance threshold of idiots is low. > > > > > How do you tolerate yourself then? BTW, it's "tolerance" - use your > > spell checker. > > You are correct, should be tolerance, but you are not exactly the first > person to note that my spelling is poor. > But you run 'tollerance' past spell checker, see what I mean? I use OE and > it's spell checker is not good. > > ---------------------------------------- > > With the benefit of time and a little thought, > > My response to the initial posting of Vicky Conlan was well out of order and > indeed, incorrect. Tofu 'was' freely available some 30 years ago. > > Secondly.my remarks to you were equally out of order and indeed offensive. > > I offer my sincere apologies to you both. > > I think the remainder is best snipped , hope you agree. Apology accepted, thank you. And I'm sorry to have come down on you so hard. |
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"Rubystars" > wrote in message om... > > "Ray" > wrote in message > <snip> >> Also please note that you will receive abuse from the aaev newsgroup. >> Some >> of it's >> members eat meat, moselty uncooked:-) > > I have been known to eat a little raw fish, but I have no intention of > being > abusive.  > > -Rubystars Best not Rubystars, otherwise you will end up like me - eating humble pie:-) > > |
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"Rubystars" > wrote in message om... > > "Ray" > wrote in message > <snip> >> Also please note that you will receive abuse from the aaev newsgroup. >> Some >> of it's >> members eat meat, moselty uncooked:-) > > I have been known to eat a little raw fish, but I have no intention of > being > abusive. > > -Rubystars Best not Rubystars, otherwise you will end up like me - eating humble pie:-) > > |
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"Ray" > wrote in message ... > > "Rubystars" > wrote in message > om... > > > > "Ray" > wrote in message > > <snip> > >> Also please note that you will receive abuse from the aaev newsgroup. > >> Some > >> of it's > >> members eat meat, moselty uncooked:-) > > > > I have been known to eat a little raw fish, but I have no intention of > > being > > abusive. > > > > -Rubystars > > Best not Rubystars, otherwise you will end up like me - eating humble pie:-) lol -Rubystars |
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"Ray" > wrote in message ... > > "Rubystars" > wrote in message > om... > > > > "Ray" > wrote in message > > <snip> > >> Also please note that you will receive abuse from the aaev newsgroup. > >> Some > >> of it's > >> members eat meat, moselty uncooked:-) > > > > I have been known to eat a little raw fish, but I have no intention of > > being > > abusive. > > > > -Rubystars > > Best not Rubystars, otherwise you will end up like me - eating humble pie:-) lol -Rubystars |
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"SansMeat" > wrote in message .. . > > "rick etter" > wrote in message > ink.net... > > > > "SansMeat" > wrote in message > > .. . > > > > > > "rick etter" > wrote in message > > > nk.net... > > > > > > > > "SansMeat" > wrote in message > > > > .. . > > > > > > > > > > "Ray" > wrote in message > > > > > ... > > > > > > > > > > > > "SansMeat" > wrote in message > > > > > > .. . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Ray" > wrote in message > > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > > When I became a vegetarian some thirty odd years ago, there > was > > > > little > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > market to make the transition easy. There was no 'Quorn' or > > > 'Tofu', > > > > > just > > > > > > > > TPV. > > > > > > > > Although TVP can be made palatable by a half decent cook, it > > > remains > > > > > > just > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > 'palatable' > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think tofu has been around just wee bit longer than TVP. Since > > > > > > "palatable" > > > > > > > to my understanding means "pleasant tasting" I'm not sure what > > your > > > > > trying > > > > > > > to say in regards to using TVP. > > > > > > > > > > > > My understanding of palatable is "acceptable", and nothing more. > > > > > > > > > > > > My mistake. You are correct. > > > > > > But put yourself in my position some thirty years ago. People like > > > > myself > > > > > > trying to live a decent life, did not have all the knowledge > easilly > > > > > > obtained from the internet. OTOH TVP was easy to obtain and so > were > > > the > > > > > > bland recipes > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now that we have 'Quorn', there is no need for 'would be' > > ethical > > > > > > > > vegetarians to suffer > > > > > > > > from meat withdrawal symptoms. Some of the Quorn products now > on > > > the > > > > > > > market > > > > > > > > taste > > > > > > > > dangerously like meat! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why is it "dangerous" to taste like meat? > > > > > > > > > > > > Depends on your attitude, some may state that if you like the > taste > > of > > > > > meat, > > > > > > you are a hypocite for eating substitutes Remember I usually post > > from > > > > the > > > > > > rough NG aaev, where the real work is done.. > > > > > > > > > > But I like grilled portabello mushrooms which are said to have a > > "steak" > > > > > like flavour (which I agree), that shouldn't prevent a vegetarian > from > > > > > eating them should it? I personally don't think flavour should be an > > > issue > > > > > as to whether or not you are a "good" vegetarian. > > > > > > > > > > I'm not familiar with what "NG aaev" is, can you help me here? > > > > ==================== > > > > NewsGroup, alt.animals.ethics.vegetarian > > > > > > > > try reading headers.. > > > > > > Thanks for jumping in and helping out. I was wondering though, why is it > > > that with every little effort to help there seems to be that slight jab > at > > > someones intelligence or ability to do something that you feel you can > do > > > better? When I offer to help someone I do it out of a sincere desire to > > help > > > someone not to belittle them. If someone falls and I lend a hand up I > > don't > > > chastise them for falling, I simply offer the help. I will in the future > > do > > > my very best to "read headers" so as not to offend or spark any major > > > controversies. Again, thank-you for your kind help and advice. > > ================== > > Some is ignorance, much is terminal stupidity. If you are here on > > newsgroups, and posting to this group, one would think that you would have > > at least a bit of insight as to what was being said, and where you are. > > Obviously, you post with your eyes, and possibly you mind, closed. Is > that > > it? You're welcome, anyway. > > Hmm, with no knowledge of who are what I am about I have been labeled as > "terminally stupid" because I failed to read a header? That realy shows > "your" intelligence I think. ===================== Well, yours has been shown. You're on veg*n newsgroups with a sansmeat alias, and you want to claim you're not spewing about meat? What a hoot!! Your brain has rotted even more than I first thought. > > > > > > > > > > but, it might be a rough group for ray and the other ar loons, only > > > because > > > > they've never been able to defend their ignorant vegan religious > > idiocy... > > > > Their hypocrisy reeks here.... > > > > > > Why do people in NG's fight about everything? > > ====================== > > Where's the fight? vegans are just too ignorant to see the truth. No > > fighting, just illustrating their stupidity... > > > > > > > > I don't see neighbours at war > > > over whether one eats meat and the other doesn't, do you? > > ================== > > Nope, because I don't have any neighbors trying to tell me what I should > > eat. there are vegans here that would declare meat illegal if they had > that > > power. > > There is the difference. > > Never mentioned "vegans", seems as though you have a problem with vegans > that has impaired your ability to comprehend a simple conversation on > anything else. ===================== Try checking the groups you're in stupid. Oh, yeah, you can't. Nevermind.... > > > > > > > In the NG's its a > > > common occurence to see people fighting with such furor that its almost > > > frightening. If you disagree with the majority of bullies that runs > > whatever > > > NG you are "loon" or a "troll" or whatever other name they label you > with. > > > Certainly there must be others who lurk out there that are sick of this > > and > > > want to speak up but don't want the hassles that come with it. Speak up, > > > lets hear from you so the number of sane people can be seen and perhaps > > you > > > can start your own forum somewhere where you can eliminate the "bullies > > and > > > just get back to having decent discussions without name calling and rude > > > people. > > ================== > > Simple solution to that problem, don't post ignorant, stupid, religious > > idiocy. Which is all that usenet-veganism is. > > Besides, there are no real vegans here on usenet. The unecessary death > and > > suffering of animals would be of real concern to real vegans. > > Usenet vegans prove with each inane post they make that unecessary animal > > death and suffering is not a concern of theirs. > > Again, I never mentioned "vegans" or "veganism". You are one-dimensional in > your approach to inter-acting with others it seems. ================== LOL, this from a loser with a stupid alias, and posting in veg*n groups pretending your not discussing it? What a maroon.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > |
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"SansMeat" > wrote in message .. . > > "rick etter" > wrote in message > ink.net... > > > > "SansMeat" > wrote in message > > .. . > > > > > > "rick etter" > wrote in message > > > nk.net... > > > > > > > > "SansMeat" > wrote in message > > > > .. . > > > > > > > > > > "Ray" > wrote in message > > > > > ... > > > > > > > > > > > > "SansMeat" > wrote in message > > > > > > .. . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Ray" > wrote in message > > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > > When I became a vegetarian some thirty odd years ago, there > was > > > > little > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > market to make the transition easy. There was no 'Quorn' or > > > 'Tofu', > > > > > just > > > > > > > > TPV. > > > > > > > > Although TVP can be made palatable by a half decent cook, it > > > remains > > > > > > just > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > 'palatable' > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think tofu has been around just wee bit longer than TVP. Since > > > > > > "palatable" > > > > > > > to my understanding means "pleasant tasting" I'm not sure what > > your > > > > > trying > > > > > > > to say in regards to using TVP. > > > > > > > > > > > > My understanding of palatable is "acceptable", and nothing more. > > > > > > > > > > > > My mistake. You are correct. > > > > > > But put yourself in my position some thirty years ago. People like > > > > myself > > > > > > trying to live a decent life, did not have all the knowledge > easilly > > > > > > obtained from the internet. OTOH TVP was easy to obtain and so > were > > > the > > > > > > bland recipes > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now that we have 'Quorn', there is no need for 'would be' > > ethical > > > > > > > > vegetarians to suffer > > > > > > > > from meat withdrawal symptoms. Some of the Quorn products now > on > > > the > > > > > > > market > > > > > > > > taste > > > > > > > > dangerously like meat! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why is it "dangerous" to taste like meat? > > > > > > > > > > > > Depends on your attitude, some may state that if you like the > taste > > of > > > > > meat, > > > > > > you are a hypocite for eating substitutes Remember I usually post > > from > > > > the > > > > > > rough NG aaev, where the real work is done.. > > > > > > > > > > But I like grilled portabello mushrooms which are said to have a > > "steak" > > > > > like flavour (which I agree), that shouldn't prevent a vegetarian > from > > > > > eating them should it? I personally don't think flavour should be an > > > issue > > > > > as to whether or not you are a "good" vegetarian. > > > > > > > > > > I'm not familiar with what "NG aaev" is, can you help me here? > > > > ==================== > > > > NewsGroup, alt.animals.ethics.vegetarian > > > > > > > > try reading headers.. > > > > > > Thanks for jumping in and helping out. I was wondering though, why is it > > > that with every little effort to help there seems to be that slight jab > at > > > someones intelligence or ability to do something that you feel you can > do > > > better? When I offer to help someone I do it out of a sincere desire to > > help > > > someone not to belittle them. If someone falls and I lend a hand up I > > don't > > > chastise them for falling, I simply offer the help. I will in the future > > do > > > my very best to "read headers" so as not to offend or spark any major > > > controversies. Again, thank-you for your kind help and advice. > > ================== > > Some is ignorance, much is terminal stupidity. If you are here on > > newsgroups, and posting to this group, one would think that you would have > > at least a bit of insight as to what was being said, and where you are. > > Obviously, you post with your eyes, and possibly you mind, closed. Is > that > > it? You're welcome, anyway. > > Hmm, with no knowledge of who are what I am about I have been labeled as > "terminally stupid" because I failed to read a header? That realy shows > "your" intelligence I think. ===================== Well, yours has been shown. You're on veg*n newsgroups with a sansmeat alias, and you want to claim you're not spewing about meat? What a hoot!! Your brain has rotted even more than I first thought. > > > > > > > > > > but, it might be a rough group for ray and the other ar loons, only > > > because > > > > they've never been able to defend their ignorant vegan religious > > idiocy... > > > > Their hypocrisy reeks here.... > > > > > > Why do people in NG's fight about everything? > > ====================== > > Where's the fight? vegans are just too ignorant to see the truth. No > > fighting, just illustrating their stupidity... > > > > > > > > I don't see neighbours at war > > > over whether one eats meat and the other doesn't, do you? > > ================== > > Nope, because I don't have any neighbors trying to tell me what I should > > eat. there are vegans here that would declare meat illegal if they had > that > > power. > > There is the difference. > > Never mentioned "vegans", seems as though you have a problem with vegans > that has impaired your ability to comprehend a simple conversation on > anything else. ===================== Try checking the groups you're in stupid. Oh, yeah, you can't. Nevermind.... > > > > > > > In the NG's its a > > > common occurence to see people fighting with such furor that its almost > > > frightening. If you disagree with the majority of bullies that runs > > whatever > > > NG you are "loon" or a "troll" or whatever other name they label you > with. > > > Certainly there must be others who lurk out there that are sick of this > > and > > > want to speak up but don't want the hassles that come with it. Speak up, > > > lets hear from you so the number of sane people can be seen and perhaps > > you > > > can start your own forum somewhere where you can eliminate the "bullies > > and > > > just get back to having decent discussions without name calling and rude > > > people. > > ================== > > Simple solution to that problem, don't post ignorant, stupid, religious > > idiocy. Which is all that usenet-veganism is. > > Besides, there are no real vegans here on usenet. The unecessary death > and > > suffering of animals would be of real concern to real vegans. > > Usenet vegans prove with each inane post they make that unecessary animal > > death and suffering is not a concern of theirs. > > Again, I never mentioned "vegans" or "veganism". You are one-dimensional in > your approach to inter-acting with others it seems. ================== LOL, this from a loser with a stupid alias, and posting in veg*n groups pretending your not discussing it? What a maroon.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > |
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"SansMeat" > wrote in message .. . > > "rick etter" > wrote in message > ink.net... > > > > "SansMeat" > wrote in message > > .. . > > > > > > "rick etter" > wrote in message > > > nk.net... > > > > > > > > "SansMeat" > wrote in message > > > > .. . > > > > > > > > > > "Ray" > wrote in message > > > > > ... > > > > > > > > > > > > "SansMeat" > wrote in message > > > > > > .. . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Ray" > wrote in message > > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > > When I became a vegetarian some thirty odd years ago, there > was > > > > little > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > market to make the transition easy. There was no 'Quorn' or > > > 'Tofu', > > > > > just > > > > > > > > TPV. > > > > > > > > Although TVP can be made palatable by a half decent cook, it > > > remains > > > > > > just > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > 'palatable' > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think tofu has been around just wee bit longer than TVP. Since > > > > > > "palatable" > > > > > > > to my understanding means "pleasant tasting" I'm not sure what > > your > > > > > trying > > > > > > > to say in regards to using TVP. > > > > > > > > > > > > My understanding of palatable is "acceptable", and nothing more. > > > > > > > > > > > > My mistake. You are correct. > > > > > > But put yourself in my position some thirty years ago. People like > > > > myself > > > > > > trying to live a decent life, did not have all the knowledge > easilly > > > > > > obtained from the internet. OTOH TVP was easy to obtain and so > were > > > the > > > > > > bland recipes > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now that we have 'Quorn', there is no need for 'would be' > > ethical > > > > > > > > vegetarians to suffer > > > > > > > > from meat withdrawal symptoms. Some of the Quorn products now > on > > > the > > > > > > > market > > > > > > > > taste > > > > > > > > dangerously like meat! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why is it "dangerous" to taste like meat? > > > > > > > > > > > > Depends on your attitude, some may state that if you like the > taste > > of > > > > > meat, > > > > > > you are a hypocite for eating substitutes Remember I usually post > > from > > > > the > > > > > > rough NG aaev, where the real work is done.. > > > > > > > > > > But I like grilled portabello mushrooms which are said to have a > > "steak" > > > > > like flavour (which I agree), that shouldn't prevent a vegetarian > from > > > > > eating them should it? I personally don't think flavour should be an > > > issue > > > > > as to whether or not you are a "good" vegetarian. > > > > > > > > > > I'm not familiar with what "NG aaev" is, can you help me here? > > > > ==================== > > > > NewsGroup, alt.animals.ethics.vegetarian > > > > > > > > try reading headers.. > > > > > > Thanks for jumping in and helping out. I was wondering though, why is it > > > that with every little effort to help there seems to be that slight jab > at > > > someones intelligence or ability to do something that you feel you can > do > > > better? When I offer to help someone I do it out of a sincere desire to > > help > > > someone not to belittle them. If someone falls and I lend a hand up I > > don't > > > chastise them for falling, I simply offer the help. I will in the future > > do > > > my very best to "read headers" so as not to offend or spark any major > > > controversies. Again, thank-you for your kind help and advice. > > ================== > > Some is ignorance, much is terminal stupidity. If you are here on > > newsgroups, and posting to this group, one would think that you would have > > at least a bit of insight as to what was being said, and where you are. > > Obviously, you post with your eyes, and possibly you mind, closed. Is > that > > it? You're welcome, anyway. > > Hmm, with no knowledge of who are what I am about I have been labeled as > "terminally stupid" because I failed to read a header? That realy shows > "your" intelligence I think. Exactly, Etter's a moron. > > > > but, it might be a rough group for ray and the other ar loons, only > > > because > > > > they've never been able to defend their ignorant vegan religious > > idiocy... > > > > Their hypocrisy reeks here.... > > > > > > Why do people in NG's fight about everything? > > ====================== > > Where's the fight? vegans are just too ignorant to see the truth. No > > fighting, just illustrating their stupidity... > > > > > > > > I don't see neighbours at war > > > over whether one eats meat and the other doesn't, do you? > > ================== > > Nope, because I don't have any neighbors trying to tell me what I should > > eat. there are vegans here that would declare meat illegal if they had > that > > power. > > There is the difference. > > Never mentioned "vegans", seems as though you have a problem with vegans > that has impaired your ability to comprehend a simple conversation on > anything else. Yup. > > In the NG's its a > > > common occurence to see people fighting with such furor that its almost > > > frightening. If you disagree with the majority of bullies that runs > > whatever > > > NG you are "loon" or a "troll" or whatever other name they label you > with. > > > Certainly there must be others who lurk out there that are sick of this > > and > > > want to speak up but don't want the hassles that come with it. Speak up, > > > lets hear from you so the number of sane people can be seen and perhaps > > you > > > can start your own forum somewhere where you can eliminate the "bullies > > and > > > just get back to having decent discussions without name calling and rude > > > people. > > ================== > > Simple solution to that problem, don't post ignorant, stupid, religious > > idiocy. Which is all that usenet-veganism is. > > Besides, there are no real vegans here on usenet. The unecessary death > and > > suffering of animals would be of real concern to real vegans. > > Usenet vegans prove with each inane post they make that unecessary animal > > death and suffering is not a concern of theirs. > > Again, I never mentioned "vegans" or "veganism". You are one-dimensional in > your approach to inter-acting with others it seems. Etter froths his stupidity at anyone who dares to speak in a tone that supports veganism. Kinda like a rabid dog who snarls and barks at anything that moves. He has no purpose, no facts, no reasoning ability, and is one dimensional as you discovered. And that's giving him way too much credit. You can't carry on an intelligent conversation with him, so it's best to ignore him. |
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"SansMeat" > wrote in message .. . > > "rick etter" > wrote in message > ink.net... > > > > "SansMeat" > wrote in message > > .. . > > > > > > "rick etter" > wrote in message > > > nk.net... > > > > > > > > "SansMeat" > wrote in message > > > > .. . > > > > > > > > > > "Ray" > wrote in message > > > > > ... > > > > > > > > > > > > "SansMeat" > wrote in message > > > > > > .. . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Ray" > wrote in message > > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > > When I became a vegetarian some thirty odd years ago, there > was > > > > little > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > market to make the transition easy. There was no 'Quorn' or > > > 'Tofu', > > > > > just > > > > > > > > TPV. > > > > > > > > Although TVP can be made palatable by a half decent cook, it > > > remains > > > > > > just > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > 'palatable' > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think tofu has been around just wee bit longer than TVP. Since > > > > > > "palatable" > > > > > > > to my understanding means "pleasant tasting" I'm not sure what > > your > > > > > trying > > > > > > > to say in regards to using TVP. > > > > > > > > > > > > My understanding of palatable is "acceptable", and nothing more. > > > > > > > > > > > > My mistake. You are correct. > > > > > > But put yourself in my position some thirty years ago. People like > > > > myself > > > > > > trying to live a decent life, did not have all the knowledge > easilly > > > > > > obtained from the internet. OTOH TVP was easy to obtain and so > were > > > the > > > > > > bland recipes > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now that we have 'Quorn', there is no need for 'would be' > > ethical > > > > > > > > vegetarians to suffer > > > > > > > > from meat withdrawal symptoms. Some of the Quorn products now > on > > > the > > > > > > > market > > > > > > > > taste > > > > > > > > dangerously like meat! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why is it "dangerous" to taste like meat? > > > > > > > > > > > > Depends on your attitude, some may state that if you like the > taste > > of > > > > > meat, > > > > > > you are a hypocite for eating substitutes Remember I usually post > > from > > > > the > > > > > > rough NG aaev, where the real work is done.. > > > > > > > > > > But I like grilled portabello mushrooms which are said to have a > > "steak" > > > > > like flavour (which I agree), that shouldn't prevent a vegetarian > from > > > > > eating them should it? I personally don't think flavour should be an > > > issue > > > > > as to whether or not you are a "good" vegetarian. > > > > > > > > > > I'm not familiar with what "NG aaev" is, can you help me here? > > > > ==================== > > > > NewsGroup, alt.animals.ethics.vegetarian > > > > > > > > try reading headers.. > > > > > > Thanks for jumping in and helping out. I was wondering though, why is it > > > that with every little effort to help there seems to be that slight jab > at > > > someones intelligence or ability to do something that you feel you can > do > > > better? When I offer to help someone I do it out of a sincere desire to > > help > > > someone not to belittle them. If someone falls and I lend a hand up I > > don't > > > chastise them for falling, I simply offer the help. I will in the future > > do > > > my very best to "read headers" so as not to offend or spark any major > > > controversies. Again, thank-you for your kind help and advice. > > ================== > > Some is ignorance, much is terminal stupidity. If you are here on > > newsgroups, and posting to this group, one would think that you would have > > at least a bit of insight as to what was being said, and where you are. > > Obviously, you post with your eyes, and possibly you mind, closed. Is > that > > it? You're welcome, anyway. > > Hmm, with no knowledge of who are what I am about I have been labeled as > "terminally stupid" because I failed to read a header? That realy shows > "your" intelligence I think. Exactly, Etter's a moron. > > > > but, it might be a rough group for ray and the other ar loons, only > > > because > > > > they've never been able to defend their ignorant vegan religious > > idiocy... > > > > Their hypocrisy reeks here.... > > > > > > Why do people in NG's fight about everything? > > ====================== > > Where's the fight? vegans are just too ignorant to see the truth. No > > fighting, just illustrating their stupidity... > > > > > > > > I don't see neighbours at war > > > over whether one eats meat and the other doesn't, do you? > > ================== > > Nope, because I don't have any neighbors trying to tell me what I should > > eat. there are vegans here that would declare meat illegal if they had > that > > power. > > There is the difference. > > Never mentioned "vegans", seems as though you have a problem with vegans > that has impaired your ability to comprehend a simple conversation on > anything else. Yup. > > In the NG's its a > > > common occurence to see people fighting with such furor that its almost > > > frightening. If you disagree with the majority of bullies that runs > > whatever > > > NG you are "loon" or a "troll" or whatever other name they label you > with. > > > Certainly there must be others who lurk out there that are sick of this > > and > > > want to speak up but don't want the hassles that come with it. Speak up, > > > lets hear from you so the number of sane people can be seen and perhaps > > you > > > can start your own forum somewhere where you can eliminate the "bullies > > and > > > just get back to having decent discussions without name calling and rude > > > people. > > ================== > > Simple solution to that problem, don't post ignorant, stupid, religious > > idiocy. Which is all that usenet-veganism is. > > Besides, there are no real vegans here on usenet. The unecessary death > and > > suffering of animals would be of real concern to real vegans. > > Usenet vegans prove with each inane post they make that unecessary animal > > death and suffering is not a concern of theirs. > > Again, I never mentioned "vegans" or "veganism". You are one-dimensional in > your approach to inter-acting with others it seems. Etter froths his stupidity at anyone who dares to speak in a tone that supports veganism. Kinda like a rabid dog who snarls and barks at anything that moves. He has no purpose, no facts, no reasoning ability, and is one dimensional as you discovered. And that's giving him way too much credit. You can't carry on an intelligent conversation with him, so it's best to ignore him. |
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"C. James Strutz" > wrote in message ... > > "SansMeat" > wrote in message > .. . > > > > "rick etter" > wrote in message > > ink.net... > > > > > > "SansMeat" > wrote in message > > > .. . > > > > > > > > "rick etter" > wrote in message > > > > nk.net... > > > > > > > > > > "SansMeat" > wrote in message > > > > > .. . > > > > > > > > > > > > "Ray" > wrote in message > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "SansMeat" > wrote in message > > > > > > > .. . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Ray" > wrote in message > > > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > > > When I became a vegetarian some thirty odd years ago, > there > > was > > > > > little > > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > market to make the transition easy. There was no > 'Quorn' or > > > > 'Tofu', > > > > > > just > > > > > > > > > TPV. > > > > > > > > > Although TVP can be made palatable by a half decent > cook, it > > > > remains > > > > > > > just > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > 'palatable' > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think tofu has been around just wee bit longer than > TVP. Since > > > > > > > "palatable" > > > > > > > > to my understanding means "pleasant tasting" I'm not > sure what > > > your > > > > > > trying > > > > > > > > to say in regards to using TVP. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My understanding of palatable is "acceptable", and nothing > more. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My mistake. You are correct. > > > > > > > But put yourself in my position some thirty years ago. > People like > > > > > myself > > > > > > > trying to live a decent life, did not have all the > knowledge > > easilly > > > > > > > obtained from the internet. OTOH TVP was easy to obtain > and so > > were > > > > the > > > > > > > bland recipes > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now that we have 'Quorn', there is no need for 'would > be' > > > ethical > > > > > > > > > vegetarians to suffer > > > > > > > > > from meat withdrawal symptoms. Some of the Quorn > products now > > on > > > > the > > > > > > > > market > > > > > > > > > taste > > > > > > > > > dangerously like meat! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why is it "dangerous" to taste like meat? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Depends on your attitude, some may state that if you like > the > > taste > > > of > > > > > > meat, > > > > > > > you are a hypocite for eating substitutes Remember I > usually post > > > from > > > > > the > > > > > > > rough NG aaev, where the real work is done.. > > > > > > > > > > > > But I like grilled portabello mushrooms which are said to > have a > > > "steak" > > > > > > like flavour (which I agree), that shouldn't prevent a > vegetarian > > from > > > > > > eating them should it? I personally don't think flavour > should be an > > > > issue > > > > > > as to whether or not you are a "good" vegetarian. > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm not familiar with what "NG aaev" is, can you help me > here? > > > > > ==================== > > > > > NewsGroup, alt.animals.ethics.vegetarian > > > > > > > > > > try reading headers.. > > > > > > > > Thanks for jumping in and helping out. I was wondering though, > why is it > > > > that with every little effort to help there seems to be that > slight jab > > at > > > > someones intelligence or ability to do something that you feel > you can > > do > > > > better? When I offer to help someone I do it out of a sincere > desire to > > > help > > > > someone not to belittle them. If someone falls and I lend a hand > up I > > > don't > > > > chastise them for falling, I simply offer the help. I will in > the future > > > do > > > > my very best to "read headers" so as not to offend or spark any > major > > > > controversies. Again, thank-you for your kind help and advice. > > > ================== > > > Some is ignorance, much is terminal stupidity. If you are here > on > > > newsgroups, and posting to this group, one would think that you > would have > > > at least a bit of insight as to what was being said, and where you > are. > > > Obviously, you post with your eyes, and possibly you mind, closed. > Is > > that > > > it? You're welcome, anyway. > > > > Hmm, with no knowledge of who are what I am about I have been > labeled as > > "terminally stupid" because I failed to read a header? That realy > shows > > "your" intelligence I think. > > Exactly, Etter's a moron. > > > > > > but, it might be a rough group for ray and the other ar loons, > only > > > > because > > > > > they've never been able to defend their ignorant vegan > religious > > > idiocy... > > > > > Their hypocrisy reeks here.... > > > > > > > > Why do people in NG's fight about everything? > > > ====================== > > > Where's the fight? vegans are just too ignorant to see the > truth. No > > > fighting, just illustrating their stupidity... > > > > > > > > > > > > I don't see neighbours at war > > > > over whether one eats meat and the other doesn't, do you? > > > ================== > > > Nope, because I don't have any neighbors trying to tell me what I > should > > > eat. there are vegans here that would declare meat illegal if > they had > > that > > > power. > > > There is the difference. > > > > Never mentioned "vegans", seems as though you have a problem with > vegans > > that has impaired your ability to comprehend a simple conversation > on > > anything else. > > Yup. > > > > In the NG's its a > > > > common occurence to see people fighting with such furor that its > almost > > > > frightening. If you disagree with the majority of bullies that > runs > > > whatever > > > > NG you are "loon" or a "troll" or whatever other name they label > you > > with. > > > > Certainly there must be others who lurk out there that are sick > of this > > > and > > > > want to speak up but don't want the hassles that come with it. > Speak up, > > > > lets hear from you so the number of sane people can be seen and > perhaps > > > you > > > > can start your own forum somewhere where you can eliminate the > "bullies > > > and > > > > just get back to having decent discussions without name calling > and rude > > > > people. > > > ================== > > > Simple solution to that problem, don't post ignorant, stupid, > religious > > > idiocy. Which is all that usenet-veganism is. > > > Besides, there are no real vegans here on usenet. The unecessary > death > > and > > > suffering of animals would be of real concern to real vegans. > > > Usenet vegans prove with each inane post they make that unecessary > animal > > > death and suffering is not a concern of theirs. > > > > Again, I never mentioned "vegans" or "veganism". You are > one-dimensional in > > your approach to inter-acting with others it seems. > > Etter froths his stupidity at anyone who dares to speak in a tone that > supports veganism. Kinda like a rabid dog who snarls and barks at > anything that moves. He has no purpose, no facts, no reasoning > ability, and is one dimensional as you discovered. And that's giving > him way too much credit. You can't carry on an intelligent > conversation with him, so it's best to ignore him. The really funny thing is, I've never mentioned "veganism" and I'm not a "vegan"! I think my mistake was to have replied to a cross posted message, marking me for life now! 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"C. James Strutz" > wrote in message ... > > "SansMeat" > wrote in message > .. . > > > > "rick etter" > wrote in message > > ink.net... > > > > > > "SansMeat" > wrote in message > > > .. . > > > > > > > > "rick etter" > wrote in message > > > > nk.net... > > > > > > > > > > "SansMeat" > wrote in message > > > > > .. . > > > > > > > > > > > > "Ray" > wrote in message > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "SansMeat" > wrote in message > > > > > > > .. . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Ray" > wrote in message > > > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > > > When I became a vegetarian some thirty odd years ago, > there > > was > > > > > little > > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > market to make the transition easy. There was no > 'Quorn' or > > > > 'Tofu', > > > > > > just > > > > > > > > > TPV. > > > > > > > > > Although TVP can be made palatable by a half decent > cook, it > > > > remains > > > > > > > just > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > 'palatable' > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think tofu has been around just wee bit longer than > TVP. Since > > > > > > > "palatable" > > > > > > > > to my understanding means "pleasant tasting" I'm not > sure what > > > your > > > > > > trying > > > > > > > > to say in regards to using TVP. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My understanding of palatable is "acceptable", and nothing > more. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My mistake. You are correct. > > > > > > > But put yourself in my position some thirty years ago. > People like > > > > > myself > > > > > > > trying to live a decent life, did not have all the > knowledge > > easilly > > > > > > > obtained from the internet. OTOH TVP was easy to obtain > and so > > were > > > > the > > > > > > > bland recipes > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now that we have 'Quorn', there is no need for 'would > be' > > > ethical > > > > > > > > > vegetarians to suffer > > > > > > > > > from meat withdrawal symptoms. Some of the Quorn > products now > > on > > > > the > > > > > > > > market > > > > > > > > > taste > > > > > > > > > dangerously like meat! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why is it "dangerous" to taste like meat? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Depends on your attitude, some may state that if you like > the > > taste > > > of > > > > > > meat, > > > > > > > you are a hypocite for eating substitutes Remember I > usually post > > > from > > > > > the > > > > > > > rough NG aaev, where the real work is done.. > > > > > > > > > > > > But I like grilled portabello mushrooms which are said to > have a > > > "steak" > > > > > > like flavour (which I agree), that shouldn't prevent a > vegetarian > > from > > > > > > eating them should it? I personally don't think flavour > should be an > > > > issue > > > > > > as to whether or not you are a "good" vegetarian. > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm not familiar with what "NG aaev" is, can you help me > here? > > > > > ==================== > > > > > NewsGroup, alt.animals.ethics.vegetarian > > > > > > > > > > try reading headers.. > > > > > > > > Thanks for jumping in and helping out. I was wondering though, > why is it > > > > that with every little effort to help there seems to be that > slight jab > > at > > > > someones intelligence or ability to do something that you feel > you can > > do > > > > better? When I offer to help someone I do it out of a sincere > desire to > > > help > > > > someone not to belittle them. If someone falls and I lend a hand > up I > > > don't > > > > chastise them for falling, I simply offer the help. I will in > the future > > > do > > > > my very best to "read headers" so as not to offend or spark any > major > > > > controversies. Again, thank-you for your kind help and advice. > > > ================== > > > Some is ignorance, much is terminal stupidity. If you are here > on > > > newsgroups, and posting to this group, one would think that you > would have > > > at least a bit of insight as to what was being said, and where you > are. > > > Obviously, you post with your eyes, and possibly you mind, closed. > Is > > that > > > it? You're welcome, anyway. > > > > Hmm, with no knowledge of who are what I am about I have been > labeled as > > "terminally stupid" because I failed to read a header? That realy > shows > > "your" intelligence I think. > > Exactly, Etter's a moron. > > > > > > but, it might be a rough group for ray and the other ar loons, > only > > > > because > > > > > they've never been able to defend their ignorant vegan > religious > > > idiocy... > > > > > Their hypocrisy reeks here.... > > > > > > > > Why do people in NG's fight about everything? > > > ====================== > > > Where's the fight? vegans are just too ignorant to see the > truth. No > > > fighting, just illustrating their stupidity... > > > > > > > > > > > > I don't see neighbours at war > > > > over whether one eats meat and the other doesn't, do you? > > > ================== > > > Nope, because I don't have any neighbors trying to tell me what I > should > > > eat. there are vegans here that would declare meat illegal if > they had > > that > > > power. > > > There is the difference. > > > > Never mentioned "vegans", seems as though you have a problem with > vegans > > that has impaired your ability to comprehend a simple conversation > on > > anything else. > > Yup. > > > > In the NG's its a > > > > common occurence to see people fighting with such furor that its > almost > > > > frightening. If you disagree with the majority of bullies that > runs > > > whatever > > > > NG you are "loon" or a "troll" or whatever other name they label > you > > with. > > > > Certainly there must be others who lurk out there that are sick > of this > > > and > > > > want to speak up but don't want the hassles that come with it. > Speak up, > > > > lets hear from you so the number of sane people can be seen and > perhaps > > > you > > > > can start your own forum somewhere where you can eliminate the > "bullies > > > and > > > > just get back to having decent discussions without name calling > and rude > > > > people. > > > ================== > > > Simple solution to that problem, don't post ignorant, stupid, > religious > > > idiocy. Which is all that usenet-veganism is. > > > Besides, there are no real vegans here on usenet. The unecessary > death > > and > > > suffering of animals would be of real concern to real vegans. > > > Usenet vegans prove with each inane post they make that unecessary > animal > > > death and suffering is not a concern of theirs. > > > > Again, I never mentioned "vegans" or "veganism". You are > one-dimensional in > > your approach to inter-acting with others it seems. > > Etter froths his stupidity at anyone who dares to speak in a tone that > supports veganism. Kinda like a rabid dog who snarls and barks at > anything that moves. He has no purpose, no facts, no reasoning > ability, and is one dimensional as you discovered. And that's giving > him way too much credit. You can't carry on an intelligent > conversation with him, so it's best to ignore him. The really funny thing is, I've never mentioned "veganism" and I'm not a "vegan"! I think my mistake was to have replied to a cross posted message, marking me for life now! 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"Rubystars" > wrote in message . com... > As you mentioned before, people are scientifically illiterate. They just > hear "fungus" and think it's something yucky, even as they're eating > mushroom soup, they might say "ewwww fungus." Most people stupidly think > mushrooms are plants. Of course, mushroos are really the sexual organs for particular species of fungi, which makes them double yucky if you really think about it. The actual body (mycelium) of the mushroom doesn't look all that different from soil mold or fungi you might find on old bread. |
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"Rubystars" > wrote in message . com... > As you mentioned before, people are scientifically illiterate. They just > hear "fungus" and think it's something yucky, even as they're eating > mushroom soup, they might say "ewwww fungus." Most people stupidly think > mushrooms are plants. Of course, mushroos are really the sexual organs for particular species of fungi, which makes them double yucky if you really think about it. The actual body (mycelium) of the mushroom doesn't look all that different from soil mold or fungi you might find on old bread. |
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"magnulus" > wrote in message . .. > > "Rubystars" > wrote in message > . com... > > As you mentioned before, people are scientifically illiterate. They just > > hear "fungus" and think it's something yucky, even as they're eating > > mushroom soup, they might say "ewwww fungus." Most people stupidly think > > mushrooms are plants. > > Of course, mushroos are really the sexual organs for particular species of > fungi, which makes them double yucky if you really think about it. The > actual body (mycelium) of the mushroom doesn't look all that different from > soil mold or fungi you might find on old bread. People eat fruit and flowers, so I don't see that as automatically yucky. -Rubystars |
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"magnulus" > wrote in message . .. > > "Rubystars" > wrote in message > . com... > > As you mentioned before, people are scientifically illiterate. They just > > hear "fungus" and think it's something yucky, even as they're eating > > mushroom soup, they might say "ewwww fungus." Most people stupidly think > > mushrooms are plants. > > Of course, mushroos are really the sexual organs for particular species of > fungi, which makes them double yucky if you really think about it. The > actual body (mycelium) of the mushroom doesn't look all that different from > soil mold or fungi you might find on old bread. People eat fruit and flowers, so I don't see that as automatically yucky. -Rubystars |
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> People eat fruit and flowers, so I don't see that as automatically
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> People eat fruit and flowers, so I don't see that as automatically
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"SansMeat" > wrote in message news 
snippage... > > The really funny thing is, I've never mentioned "veganism" and I'm not a > "vegan"! I think my mistake was to have replied to a cross posted message, > marking me for life now! I think I pretty much understand where he's coming > from and as you point out, its best to just ignore him. ============= Yes it is, especially if you wish to remain terminally ignorant, like jimmy-boy here, But, you've already displayed that quality, haven't you, killer. You post to veg*n groups with an ignorant alias like sansmeat, and then try to claim you're making no 'statement'. What a hoot! You idiots are even more desperate than you used to be. > > |
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"rick etter" > wrote in message ink.net...
> > "C. James Strutz" > wrote in message > ... <..> > > Etter froths his stupidity > ================ > If it were such stupidity you'r think that even a lightweight like you would > have been able to refute what I say. You haven't, nor has any other veg*n > loon here on usenet, killer. http://www.google.ie/groups?selm=bsi...&output=gplain 'Surveys by the ministry of agriculture and the British Trust for Ornithology have shown the beneficial effects of organic farming on wildlife. It's not difficult to see why: the pesticides used in intensive agriculture kill many soil organisms, insects and other larger species. They also kill plants considered to be weeds. That means fewer food sources available for other animals, birds and beneficial insects and it also destroys many of their habitats.' http://www.soilassociation.org/web/s.../benefits.html '..This comprehensive European-wide literature review provides evidence on the whole range of environmental benefits of organic farming. It concludes that, in comparison with non-organic farming, organic farming tends to support greater biodiversity, conserves soil fertility and stability better, does not pose any risk of water pollution from pesticides, results in 40-60% lower carbon dioxide emissions per hectare, nitrous oxide and ammonia emission potential appears to be lower, energy consumption is usually lower, and energy efficiency is usually higher. ...' http://www.soilassociation.org/sa/sa...Sheets05092001 'The independent research quoted in this report found substantially greater levels of both abundance and diversity of species on the organic farms, as outlined below: Plants: Five times as many wild plants in arable fields, 57% more species, and several rare and declining wild arable species found only on organic farms. Birds: 25% more birds at the field edge, 44% more in-field in autumn/winter; 2.2 times as many breeding skylarks and higher skylark breeding rates. Invertebrates: 1.6 times as many of the arthropods that comprise bird food; three times as many non-pest butterflies in the crop areas; one to five times as many spider numbers and one to two times as many spider species. Crop pests: Significant decrease in aphid numbers; no change in numbers of pest butterflies. Distribution of the biodiversity benefits: Though the field boundaries had the highest levels of wildlife, the highest increases were found in the cropped areas of the fields. Quality of the habitats: Both the field boundary and crop habitats were more favourable on the organic farms. The field boundaries had more trees, larger hedges and no spray drift. ...' http://www.pan-uk.org/pestnews/pn48/pn48p15b.htm. |
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"rick etter" > wrote in message ink.net...
> > "C. James Strutz" > wrote in message > ... <..> > > Etter froths his stupidity > ================ > If it were such stupidity you'r think that even a lightweight like you would > have been able to refute what I say. You haven't, nor has any other veg*n > loon here on usenet, killer. http://www.google.ie/groups?selm=bsi...&output=gplain 'Surveys by the ministry of agriculture and the British Trust for Ornithology have shown the beneficial effects of organic farming on wildlife. It's not difficult to see why: the pesticides used in intensive agriculture kill many soil organisms, insects and other larger species. They also kill plants considered to be weeds. That means fewer food sources available for other animals, birds and beneficial insects and it also destroys many of their habitats.' http://www.soilassociation.org/web/s.../benefits.html '..This comprehensive European-wide literature review provides evidence on the whole range of environmental benefits of organic farming. It concludes that, in comparison with non-organic farming, organic farming tends to support greater biodiversity, conserves soil fertility and stability better, does not pose any risk of water pollution from pesticides, results in 40-60% lower carbon dioxide emissions per hectare, nitrous oxide and ammonia emission potential appears to be lower, energy consumption is usually lower, and energy efficiency is usually higher. ...' http://www.soilassociation.org/sa/sa...Sheets05092001 'The independent research quoted in this report found substantially greater levels of both abundance and diversity of species on the organic farms, as outlined below: Plants: Five times as many wild plants in arable fields, 57% more species, and several rare and declining wild arable species found only on organic farms. Birds: 25% more birds at the field edge, 44% more in-field in autumn/winter; 2.2 times as many breeding skylarks and higher skylark breeding rates. Invertebrates: 1.6 times as many of the arthropods that comprise bird food; three times as many non-pest butterflies in the crop areas; one to five times as many spider numbers and one to two times as many spider species. Crop pests: Significant decrease in aphid numbers; no change in numbers of pest butterflies. Distribution of the biodiversity benefits: Though the field boundaries had the highest levels of wildlife, the highest increases were found in the cropped areas of the fields. Quality of the habitats: Both the field boundary and crop habitats were more favourable on the organic farms. The field boundaries had more trees, larger hedges and no spray drift. ...' http://www.pan-uk.org/pestnews/pn48/pn48p15b.htm. |
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"pearl" > wrote in message ... > "rick etter" > wrote in message ink.net... > > > > "C. James Strutz" > wrote in message > > ... > <..> > > > Etter froths his stupidity > > ================ > > If it were such stupidity you'r think that even a lightweight like you would > > have been able to refute what I say. You haven't, nor has any other veg*n > > loon here on usenet, killer. http://www.abcbirds.org/pesticides/pesticideindex.htm http://www.pmac.net/summer-rivers.html http://www.pmac.net/fishkill.htm http://www.pmac.net/summer-rivers.html http://www.pmac.net/bird_fish_CA.html http://oregonstate.edu/dept/ncs/news...00/nitrate.htm http://www.abcbirds.org/pesticides/P...carbofuran.htm http://www.nwf.org/internationalwildlife/hawk.html http://www.pan-uk.org/pestnews/Pn36/pn36p3.htm http://www.wwfcanada.org/satellite/p...eFactSheet.pdf http://www.ncwildlife.org/pg07_Wildl...on/pg7f2b6.htm http://eesc.orst.edu/agcomwebfile/news/food/vegan.html http://www.wildlifedamagecontrol.com.../leastharm.htm http://www.panna.org/panna/resources...Cotton.dv.html http://www.sustainablecotton.org/TOUR/ http://ipm.ncsu.edu/wildlife/small_grains_wildlife.html http://www.gbr.wwf.org.au/content/problem/sugarcane.htm http://www.wildlifetrustofindia.org/...ele_poison.htm http://species.fws.gov/bio_rhin.html http://www.forages.css.orst.edu/Topi...rate/Mice.html http://eesc.orst.edu/agcomwebfile/news/food/vegan.html http://www.hornedlizards.org/hornedlizards/help.html http://insects.tamu.edu/extension/bulletins/b-5093.html http://www.orst.edu/dept/ncs/newsarc...00/nitrate.htm http://www.orst.edu/instruct/fw251/n...riculture.html http://www.pan-uk.org/pestnews/Pn35/pn35p6.htm http://www.greenenergyohio.org/defau...iew&pageID=135 http://www.clearwater.org/news/powerplants.html http://www.epa.gov/airmarkets/capandtrade/power.pdf http://www.nirs.org/licensedtokill/L...xecsummary.pdf http://www.towerkill.com/index.html http://migratorybirds.fws.gov/issues/towers/towers.htm http://www.abcbirds.org/policy/towerkill.htm http://www.mhhe.com/biosci/pae/es_ma...ticle_22.mhtml http://www.netwalk.com/~vireo/devastatingtoll.html http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercu...7697992.htm?1c http://www.energy.ca.gov/pier/energy...00-01-019.html http://www.repp.org/repp_pubs/articl.../04impacts.htm http://www.wvrivers.org/anker-upshur.htm http://www.fisheries.org/html/Public...nts/ps_2.shtml http://www.powerscorecard.org/issue_...cfm?issue_id=5 http://www.safesecurevital.org/artic...012012004.html http://www.ontarioprofessionals.com/organic.htm Since your non-animal clothing isn't cruelty-free either, here's a couple to cover some problems with cotton. http://www.panna.org/panna/resources...Cotton.dv.html http://www.sustainablecotton.org/TOUR/ http://www.gbr.wwf.org.au/content/problem/cotton.htm To give you an idea of the sheer number of animals in a field, here's some sites about *just* mice and voles. Note that there can be 100s to 1000s in each acre, not the whole field. http://216.239.37.100/search?q=cache...state.edu/pubs /natres/06507.pdf+%22voles+per+acre%22+field&hl=en&ie=UTF8 http://extension.usu.edu/publica/natrpubs/voles.pdf http://extension.ag.uidaho.edu/district4/MG/voles.html http://www.forages.css.orst.edu/Topi...rate/Mice.html To cover your selfish pleasure of using usenet, and maintaining a web page on same, here's are a couple dealing with power and communications. http://www.clearwater.org/news/powerplants.html http://www.towerkill.com/index.html > > http://www.google.ie/groups?selm=bsi...&output=gplain > > 'Surveys by the ministry of agriculture and the British Trust > for Ornithology have shown the beneficial effects of organic > farming on wildlife. It's not difficult to see why: the pesticides > used in intensive agriculture kill many soil organisms, insects > and other larger species. They also kill plants considered to > be weeds. That means fewer food sources available for other > animals, birds and beneficial insects and it also destroys many > of their habitats.' > http://www.soilassociation.org/web/s.../benefits.html > > '..This comprehensive European-wide literature review provides > evidence on the whole range of environmental benefits of organic > farming. It concludes that, in comparison with non-organic farming, > organic farming tends to support greater biodiversity, conserves > soil fertility and stability better, does not pose any risk of water > pollution from pesticides, results in 40-60% lower carbon dioxide > emissions per hectare, nitrous oxide and ammonia emission > potential appears to be lower, energy consumption is usually lower, > and energy efficiency is usually higher. > ..' > http://www.soilassociation.org/sa/sa...Sheets05092001 > > 'The independent research quoted in this report found substantially > greater levels of both abundance and diversity of species on the > organic farms, as outlined below: > > Plants: Five times as many wild plants in arable fields, 57% more > species, and several rare and declining wild arable species found > only on organic farms. > > Birds: 25% more birds at the field edge, 44% more in-field in > autumn/winter; 2.2 times as many breeding skylarks and higher > skylark breeding rates. > > Invertebrates: 1.6 times as many of the arthropods that comprise > bird food; three times as many non-pest butterflies in the crop areas; > one to five times as many spider numbers and one to two times as > many spider species. > > Crop pests: Significant decrease in aphid numbers; no change in > numbers of pest butterflies. > > Distribution of the biodiversity benefits: Though the field boundaries > had the highest levels of wildlife, the highest increases were found > in the cropped areas of the fields. > > Quality of the habitats: Both the field boundary and crop habitats > were more favourable on the organic farms. The field boundaries > had more trees, larger hedges and no spray drift. > ..' > http://www.pan-uk.org/pestnews/pn48/pn48p15b.htm. > > |
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"rick etter" > wrote in message ink.net... > > "SansMeat" > wrote in message > news
>> snippage... > > > > > > The really funny thing is, I've never mentioned "veganism" and I'm not a > > "vegan"! I think my mistake was to have replied to a cross posted message, > > marking me for life now! I think I pretty much understand where he's > coming > > from and as you point out, its best to just ignore him. > ============= > Yes it is, especially if you wish to remain terminally ignorant, like > jimmy-boy here, > > But, you've already displayed that quality, haven't you, killer. > > You post to veg*n groups with an ignorant alias like sansmeat, and then try > to claim you're making no 'statement'. What a hoot! You idiots are even > more desperate than you used to be. My statement is quite simple, very much like you, I don't eat meat and I am interested in cooking, hence the reason for being in "rec.food.veg", as well as "rec.food.veg.cooking" and "alt.cooking.chefs". If you've noticed I have not tried to force my beliefs, ethics or morals on anyone and I don't wish to discuss anyones elses. I just want to talk about "food", get it? Probably not, its too darn simple... |
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"rick etter" > wrote in message .net...
> > "pearl" > wrote in message > ... > > "rick etter" > wrote in message > ink.net... > > > > > > "C. James Strutz" > wrote in message > > > ... > > <..> > > > > Etter froths his stupidity > > > ================ > > > If it were such stupidity you'r think that even a lightweight like you > would > > > have been able to refute what I say. You haven't, nor has any other > veg*n > > > loon here on usenet, killer. > > http://www.abcbirds.org/pesticides/pesticideindex.htm > http://www.pmac.net/summer-rivers.html > http://www.pmac.net/fishkill.htm > http://www.pmac.net/summer-rivers.html > http://www.pmac.net/bird_fish_CA.html > http://oregonstate.edu/dept/ncs/news...00/nitrate.htm > http://www.abcbirds.org/pesticides/P...carbofuran.htm > http://www.nwf.org/internationalwildlife/hawk.html > http://www.pan-uk.org/pestnews/Pn36/pn36p3.htm > http://www.wwfcanada.org/satellite/p...eFactSheet.pdf > http://www.ncwildlife.org/pg07_Wildl...on/pg7f2b6.htm > http://eesc.orst.edu/agcomwebfile/news/food/vegan.html > http://www.wildlifedamagecontrol.com.../leastharm.htm > http://www.panna.org/panna/resources...Cotton.dv.html > http://www.sustainablecotton.org/TOUR/ > http://ipm.ncsu.edu/wildlife/small_grains_wildlife.html > http://www.gbr.wwf.org.au/content/problem/sugarcane.htm > > http://www.wildlifetrustofindia.org/...ele_poison.htm > http://species.fws.gov/bio_rhin.html > http://www.forages.css.orst.edu/Topi...rate/Mice.html > http://eesc.orst.edu/agcomwebfile/news/food/vegan.html > http://www.hornedlizards.org/hornedlizards/help.html > http://insects.tamu.edu/extension/bulletins/b-5093.html > http://www.orst.edu/dept/ncs/newsarc...00/nitrate.htm > http://www.orst.edu/instruct/fw251/n...riculture.html > http://www.pan-uk.org/pestnews/Pn35/pn35p6.htm > > > > http://www.greenenergyohio.org/defau...iew&pageID=135 > http://www.clearwater.org/news/powerplants.html > http://www.epa.gov/airmarkets/capandtrade/power.pdf > http://www.nirs.org/licensedtokill/L...xecsummary.pdf > http://www.towerkill.com/index.html > http://migratorybirds.fws.gov/issues/towers/towers.htm > http://www.abcbirds.org/policy/towerkill.htm > http://www.mhhe.com/biosci/pae/es_ma...ticle_22.mhtml > http://www.netwalk.com/~vireo/devastatingtoll.html > http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercu...7697992.htm?1c > http://www.energy.ca.gov/pier/energy...00-01-019.html > http://www.repp.org/repp_pubs/articl.../04impacts.htm > http://www.wvrivers.org/anker-upshur.htm > http://www.fisheries.org/html/Public...nts/ps_2.shtml > http://www.powerscorecard.org/issue_...cfm?issue_id=5 > http://www.safesecurevital.org/artic...012012004.html > http://www.ontarioprofessionals.com/organic.htm > > > Since your non-animal clothing isn't cruelty-free either, > here's a couple to cover some problems with cotton. > http://www.panna.org/panna/resources...Cotton.dv.html > http://www.sustainablecotton.org/TOUR/ > http://www.gbr.wwf.org.au/content/problem/cotton.htm > > To give you an idea of the sheer number of animals in a field, > here's some sites about *just* mice and voles. Note that there > can be 100s to 1000s in each acre, not the whole field. > http://216.239.37.100/search?q=cache...state.edu/pubs > /natres/06507.pdf+%22voles+per+acre%22+field&hl=en&ie=UTF8 > http://extension.usu.edu/publica/natrpubs/voles.pdf > http://extension.ag.uidaho.edu/district4/MG/voles.html > http://www.forages.css.orst.edu/Topi...rate/Mice.html > > > To cover your selfish pleasure of using usenet, and > maintaining a web page on same, here's are a couple > dealing with power and communications. > http://www.clearwater.org/news/powerplants.html > http://www.towerkill.com/index.html Nothing about organic farming? And see; > http://www.google.ie/groups?selm=bsi...&output=gplain > > > > 'Surveys by the ministry of agriculture and the British Trust > > for Ornithology have shown the beneficial effects of organic > > farming on wildlife. It's not difficult to see why: the pesticides > > used in intensive agriculture kill many soil organisms, insects > > and other larger species. They also kill plants considered to > > be weeds. That means fewer food sources available for other > > animals, birds and beneficial insects and it also destroys many > > of their habitats.' > > http://www.soilassociation.org/web/s.../benefits.html > > > > '..This comprehensive European-wide literature review provides > > evidence on the whole range of environmental benefits of organic > > farming. It concludes that, in comparison with non-organic farming, > > organic farming tends to support greater biodiversity, conserves > > soil fertility and stability better, does not pose any risk of water > > pollution from pesticides, results in 40-60% lower carbon dioxide > > emissions per hectare, nitrous oxide and ammonia emission > > potential appears to be lower, energy consumption is usually lower, > > and energy efficiency is usually higher. > > ..' > > > http://www.soilassociation.org/sa/sa...Sheets05092001 > > > > 'The independent research quoted in this report found substantially > > greater levels of both abundance and diversity of species on the > > organic farms, as outlined below: > > > > Plants: Five times as many wild plants in arable fields, 57% more > > species, and several rare and declining wild arable species found > > only on organic farms. > > > > Birds: 25% more birds at the field edge, 44% more in-field in > > autumn/winter; 2.2 times as many breeding skylarks and higher > > skylark breeding rates. > > > > Invertebrates: 1.6 times as many of the arthropods that comprise > > bird food; three times as many non-pest butterflies in the crop areas; > > one to five times as many spider numbers and one to two times as > > many spider species. > > > > Crop pests: Significant decrease in aphid numbers; no change in > > numbers of pest butterflies. > > > > Distribution of the biodiversity benefits: Though the field boundaries > > had the highest levels of wildlife, the highest increases were found > > in the cropped areas of the fields. > > > > Quality of the habitats: Both the field boundary and crop habitats > > were more favourable on the organic farms. The field boundaries > > had more trees, larger hedges and no spray drift. > > ..' > > http://www.pan-uk.org/pestnews/pn48/pn48p15b.htm. > > > > > > |
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"rick etter" > wrote in message .net...
> > "pearl" > wrote in message > ... > > "rick etter" > wrote in message > ink.net... > > > > > > "C. James Strutz" > wrote in message > > > ... > > <..> > > > > Etter froths his stupidity > > > ================ > > > If it were such stupidity you'r think that even a lightweight like you > would > > > have been able to refute what I say. You haven't, nor has any other > veg*n > > > loon here on usenet, killer. > > http://www.abcbirds.org/pesticides/pesticideindex.htm > http://www.pmac.net/summer-rivers.html > http://www.pmac.net/fishkill.htm > http://www.pmac.net/summer-rivers.html > http://www.pmac.net/bird_fish_CA.html > http://oregonstate.edu/dept/ncs/news...00/nitrate.htm > http://www.abcbirds.org/pesticides/P...carbofuran.htm > http://www.nwf.org/internationalwildlife/hawk.html > http://www.pan-uk.org/pestnews/Pn36/pn36p3.htm > http://www.wwfcanada.org/satellite/p...eFactSheet.pdf > http://www.ncwildlife.org/pg07_Wildl...on/pg7f2b6.htm > http://eesc.orst.edu/agcomwebfile/news/food/vegan.html > http://www.wildlifedamagecontrol.com.../leastharm.htm > http://www.panna.org/panna/resources...Cotton.dv.html > http://www.sustainablecotton.org/TOUR/ > http://ipm.ncsu.edu/wildlife/small_grains_wildlife.html > http://www.gbr.wwf.org.au/content/problem/sugarcane.htm > > http://www.wildlifetrustofindia.org/...ele_poison.htm > http://species.fws.gov/bio_rhin.html > http://www.forages.css.orst.edu/Topi...rate/Mice.html > http://eesc.orst.edu/agcomwebfile/news/food/vegan.html > http://www.hornedlizards.org/hornedlizards/help.html > http://insects.tamu.edu/extension/bulletins/b-5093.html > http://www.orst.edu/dept/ncs/newsarc...00/nitrate.htm > http://www.orst.edu/instruct/fw251/n...riculture.html > http://www.pan-uk.org/pestnews/Pn35/pn35p6.htm > > > > http://www.greenenergyohio.org/defau...iew&pageID=135 > http://www.clearwater.org/news/powerplants.html > http://www.epa.gov/airmarkets/capandtrade/power.pdf > http://www.nirs.org/licensedtokill/L...xecsummary.pdf > http://www.towerkill.com/index.html > http://migratorybirds.fws.gov/issues/towers/towers.htm > http://www.abcbirds.org/policy/towerkill.htm > http://www.mhhe.com/biosci/pae/es_ma...ticle_22.mhtml > http://www.netwalk.com/~vireo/devastatingtoll.html > http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercu...7697992.htm?1c > http://www.energy.ca.gov/pier/energy...00-01-019.html > http://www.repp.org/repp_pubs/articl.../04impacts.htm > http://www.wvrivers.org/anker-upshur.htm > http://www.fisheries.org/html/Public...nts/ps_2.shtml > http://www.powerscorecard.org/issue_...cfm?issue_id=5 > http://www.safesecurevital.org/artic...012012004.html > http://www.ontarioprofessionals.com/organic.htm > > > Since your non-animal clothing isn't cruelty-free either, > here's a couple to cover some problems with cotton. > http://www.panna.org/panna/resources...Cotton.dv.html > http://www.sustainablecotton.org/TOUR/ > http://www.gbr.wwf.org.au/content/problem/cotton.htm > > To give you an idea of the sheer number of animals in a field, > here's some sites about *just* mice and voles. Note that there > can be 100s to 1000s in each acre, not the whole field. > http://216.239.37.100/search?q=cache...state.edu/pubs > /natres/06507.pdf+%22voles+per+acre%22+field&hl=en&ie=UTF8 > http://extension.usu.edu/publica/natrpubs/voles.pdf > http://extension.ag.uidaho.edu/district4/MG/voles.html > http://www.forages.css.orst.edu/Topi...rate/Mice.html > > > To cover your selfish pleasure of using usenet, and > maintaining a web page on same, here's are a couple > dealing with power and communications. > http://www.clearwater.org/news/powerplants.html > http://www.towerkill.com/index.html Nothing about organic farming? And see; > http://www.google.ie/groups?selm=bsi...&output=gplain > > > > 'Surveys by the ministry of agriculture and the British Trust > > for Ornithology have shown the beneficial effects of organic > > farming on wildlife. It's not difficult to see why: the pesticides > > used in intensive agriculture kill many soil organisms, insects > > and other larger species. They also kill plants considered to > > be weeds. That means fewer food sources available for other > > animals, birds and beneficial insects and it also destroys many > > of their habitats.' > > http://www.soilassociation.org/web/s.../benefits.html > > > > '..This comprehensive European-wide literature review provides > > evidence on the whole range of environmental benefits of organic > > farming. It concludes that, in comparison with non-organic farming, > > organic farming tends to support greater biodiversity, conserves > > soil fertility and stability better, does not pose any risk of water > > pollution from pesticides, results in 40-60% lower carbon dioxide > > emissions per hectare, nitrous oxide and ammonia emission > > potential appears to be lower, energy consumption is usually lower, > > and energy efficiency is usually higher. > > ..' > > > http://www.soilassociation.org/sa/sa...Sheets05092001 > > > > 'The independent research quoted in this report found substantially > > greater levels of both abundance and diversity of species on the > > organic farms, as outlined below: > > > > Plants: Five times as many wild plants in arable fields, 57% more > > species, and several rare and declining wild arable species found > > only on organic farms. > > > > Birds: 25% more birds at the field edge, 44% more in-field in > > autumn/winter; 2.2 times as many breeding skylarks and higher > > skylark breeding rates. > > > > Invertebrates: 1.6 times as many of the arthropods that comprise > > bird food; three times as many non-pest butterflies in the crop areas; > > one to five times as many spider numbers and one to two times as > > many spider species. > > > > Crop pests: Significant decrease in aphid numbers; no change in > > numbers of pest butterflies. > > > > Distribution of the biodiversity benefits: Though the field boundaries > > had the highest levels of wildlife, the highest increases were found > > in the cropped areas of the fields. > > > > Quality of the habitats: Both the field boundary and crop habitats > > were more favourable on the organic farms. The field boundaries > > had more trees, larger hedges and no spray drift. > > ..' > > http://www.pan-uk.org/pestnews/pn48/pn48p15b.htm. > > > > > > |
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"pearl" > wrote in message ... > "rick etter" > wrote in message .net... > > > > "pearl" > wrote in message > > ... > > > "rick etter" > wrote in message > > ink.net... > > > > > > > > "C. James Strutz" > wrote in message > > > > ... > > > <..> > > > > > Etter froths his stupidity > > > > ================ > > > > If it were such stupidity you'r think that even a lightweight like you > > would > > > > have been able to refute what I say. You haven't, nor has any other > > veg*n > > > > loon here on usenet, killer. > > > > http://www.abcbirds.org/pesticides/pesticideindex.htm > > http://www.pmac.net/summer-rivers.html > > http://www.pmac.net/fishkill.htm > > http://www.pmac.net/summer-rivers.html > > http://www.pmac.net/bird_fish_CA.html > > http://oregonstate.edu/dept/ncs/news...00/nitrate.htm > > http://www.abcbirds.org/pesticides/P...carbofuran.htm > > http://www.nwf.org/internationalwildlife/hawk.html > > http://www.pan-uk.org/pestnews/Pn36/pn36p3.htm > > http://www.wwfcanada.org/satellite/p...eFactSheet.pdf > > http://www.ncwildlife.org/pg07_Wildl...on/pg7f2b6.htm > > http://eesc.orst.edu/agcomwebfile/news/food/vegan.html > > http://www.wildlifedamagecontrol.com.../leastharm.htm > > http://www.panna.org/panna/resources...Cotton.dv.html > > http://www.sustainablecotton.org/TOUR/ > > http://ipm.ncsu.edu/wildlife/small_grains_wildlife.html > > http://www.gbr.wwf.org.au/content/problem/sugarcane.htm > > > > http://www.wildlifetrustofindia.org/...ele_poison.htm > > http://species.fws.gov/bio_rhin.html > > http://www.forages.css.orst.edu/Topi...rate/Mice.html > > http://eesc.orst.edu/agcomwebfile/news/food/vegan.html > > http://www.hornedlizards.org/hornedlizards/help.html > > http://insects.tamu.edu/extension/bulletins/b-5093.html > > http://www.orst.edu/dept/ncs/newsarc...00/nitrate.htm > > http://www.orst.edu/instruct/fw251/n...riculture.html > > http://www.pan-uk.org/pestnews/Pn35/pn35p6.htm > > > > > > > > http://www.greenenergyohio.org/defau...iew&pageID=135 > > http://www.clearwater.org/news/powerplants.html > > http://www.epa.gov/airmarkets/capandtrade/power.pdf > > http://www.nirs.org/licensedtokill/L...xecsummary.pdf > > http://www.towerkill.com/index.html > > http://migratorybirds.fws.gov/issues/towers/towers.htm > > http://www.abcbirds.org/policy/towerkill.htm > > http://www.mhhe.com/biosci/pae/es_ma...ticle_22.mhtml > > http://www.netwalk.com/~vireo/devastatingtoll.html > > http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercu...7697992.htm?1c > > http://www.energy.ca.gov/pier/energy...00-01-019.html > > http://www.repp.org/repp_pubs/articl.../04impacts.htm > > http://www.wvrivers.org/anker-upshur.htm > > http://www.fisheries.org/html/Public...nts/ps_2.shtml > > http://www.powerscorecard.org/issue_...cfm?issue_id=5 > > http://www.safesecurevital.org/artic...012012004.html > > http://www.ontarioprofessionals.com/organic.htm > > > > > > Since your non-animal clothing isn't cruelty-free either, > > here's a couple to cover some problems with cotton. > > http://www.panna.org/panna/resources...Cotton.dv.html > > http://www.sustainablecotton.org/TOUR/ > > http://www.gbr.wwf.org.au/content/problem/cotton.htm > > > > To give you an idea of the sheer number of animals in a field, > > here's some sites about *just* mice and voles. Note that there > > can be 100s to 1000s in each acre, not the whole field. > > http://216.239.37.100/search?q=cache...state.edu/pubs > > /natres/06507.pdf+%22voles+per+acre%22+field&hl=en&ie=UTF8 > > http://extension.usu.edu/publica/natrpubs/voles.pdf > > http://extension.ag.uidaho.edu/district4/MG/voles.html > > http://www.forages.css.orst.edu/Topi...rate/Mice.html > > > > > > To cover your selfish pleasure of using usenet, and > > maintaining a web page on same, here's are a couple > > dealing with power and communications. > > http://www.clearwater.org/news/powerplants.html > > http://www.towerkill.com/index.html > > Nothing about organic farming? ------------- Didn't read them did you? Typical, killer. snippage, |
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"pearl" > wrote in message ... > "rick etter" > wrote in message .net... > > > > "pearl" > wrote in message > > ... > > > "rick etter" > wrote in message > > ink.net... > > > > > > > > "C. James Strutz" > wrote in message > > > > ... > > > <..> > > > > > Etter froths his stupidity > > > > ================ > > > > If it were such stupidity you'r think that even a lightweight like you > > would > > > > have been able to refute what I say. You haven't, nor has any other > > veg*n > > > > loon here on usenet, killer. > > > > http://www.abcbirds.org/pesticides/pesticideindex.htm > > http://www.pmac.net/summer-rivers.html > > http://www.pmac.net/fishkill.htm > > http://www.pmac.net/summer-rivers.html > > http://www.pmac.net/bird_fish_CA.html > > http://oregonstate.edu/dept/ncs/news...00/nitrate.htm > > http://www.abcbirds.org/pesticides/P...carbofuran.htm > > http://www.nwf.org/internationalwildlife/hawk.html > > http://www.pan-uk.org/pestnews/Pn36/pn36p3.htm > > http://www.wwfcanada.org/satellite/p...eFactSheet.pdf > > http://www.ncwildlife.org/pg07_Wildl...on/pg7f2b6.htm > > http://eesc.orst.edu/agcomwebfile/news/food/vegan.html > > http://www.wildlifedamagecontrol.com.../leastharm.htm > > http://www.panna.org/panna/resources...Cotton.dv.html > > http://www.sustainablecotton.org/TOUR/ > > http://ipm.ncsu.edu/wildlife/small_grains_wildlife.html > > http://www.gbr.wwf.org.au/content/problem/sugarcane.htm > > > > http://www.wildlifetrustofindia.org/...ele_poison.htm > > http://species.fws.gov/bio_rhin.html > > http://www.forages.css.orst.edu/Topi...rate/Mice.html > > http://eesc.orst.edu/agcomwebfile/news/food/vegan.html > > http://www.hornedlizards.org/hornedlizards/help.html > > http://insects.tamu.edu/extension/bulletins/b-5093.html > > http://www.orst.edu/dept/ncs/newsarc...00/nitrate.htm > > http://www.orst.edu/instruct/fw251/n...riculture.html > > http://www.pan-uk.org/pestnews/Pn35/pn35p6.htm > > > > > > > > http://www.greenenergyohio.org/defau...iew&pageID=135 > > http://www.clearwater.org/news/powerplants.html > > http://www.epa.gov/airmarkets/capandtrade/power.pdf > > http://www.nirs.org/licensedtokill/L...xecsummary.pdf > > http://www.towerkill.com/index.html > > http://migratorybirds.fws.gov/issues/towers/towers.htm > > http://www.abcbirds.org/policy/towerkill.htm > > http://www.mhhe.com/biosci/pae/es_ma...ticle_22.mhtml > > http://www.netwalk.com/~vireo/devastatingtoll.html > > http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercu...7697992.htm?1c > > http://www.energy.ca.gov/pier/energy...00-01-019.html > > http://www.repp.org/repp_pubs/articl.../04impacts.htm > > http://www.wvrivers.org/anker-upshur.htm > > http://www.fisheries.org/html/Public...nts/ps_2.shtml > > http://www.powerscorecard.org/issue_...cfm?issue_id=5 > > http://www.safesecurevital.org/artic...012012004.html > > http://www.ontarioprofessionals.com/organic.htm > > > > > > Since your non-animal clothing isn't cruelty-free either, > > here's a couple to cover some problems with cotton. > > http://www.panna.org/panna/resources...Cotton.dv.html > > http://www.sustainablecotton.org/TOUR/ > > http://www.gbr.wwf.org.au/content/problem/cotton.htm > > > > To give you an idea of the sheer number of animals in a field, > > here's some sites about *just* mice and voles. Note that there > > can be 100s to 1000s in each acre, not the whole field. > > http://216.239.37.100/search?q=cache...state.edu/pubs > > /natres/06507.pdf+%22voles+per+acre%22+field&hl=en&ie=UTF8 > > http://extension.usu.edu/publica/natrpubs/voles.pdf > > http://extension.ag.uidaho.edu/district4/MG/voles.html > > http://www.forages.css.orst.edu/Topi...rate/Mice.html > > > > > > To cover your selfish pleasure of using usenet, and > > maintaining a web page on same, here's are a couple > > dealing with power and communications. > > http://www.clearwater.org/news/powerplants.html > > http://www.towerkill.com/index.html > > Nothing about organic farming? ------------- Didn't read them did you? Typical, killer. snippage, |
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> > "pearl" > wrote in message > ... > > "rick etter" > wrote in message > .net... > > > > > > "pearl" > wrote in message > > > ... > > > > "rick etter" > wrote in message > > > ink.net... > > > > > > > > > > "C. James Strutz" > wrote in message > > > > > ... > > > > <..> > > > > > > Etter froths his stupidity > > > > > ================ > > > > > If it were such stupidity you'r think that even a lightweight like > you > > > would > > > > > have been able to refute what I say. You haven't, nor has any other > > > veg*n > > > > > loon here on usenet, killer. > > > > > > http://www.abcbirds.org/pesticides/pesticideindex.htm > > > http://www.pmac.net/summer-rivers.html > > > http://www.pmac.net/fishkill.htm > > > http://www.pmac.net/summer-rivers.html > > > http://www.pmac.net/bird_fish_CA.html > > > http://oregonstate.edu/dept/ncs/news...00/nitrate.htm > > > http://www.abcbirds.org/pesticides/P...carbofuran.htm > > > http://www.nwf.org/internationalwildlife/hawk.html > > > http://www.pan-uk.org/pestnews/Pn36/pn36p3.htm > > > > http://www.wwfcanada.org/satellite/p...eFactSheet.pdf > > > http://www.ncwildlife.org/pg07_Wildl...on/pg7f2b6.htm > > > http://eesc.orst.edu/agcomwebfile/news/food/vegan.html > > > http://www.wildlifedamagecontrol.com.../leastharm.htm > > > > http://www.panna.org/panna/resources...Cotton.dv.html > > > http://www.sustainablecotton.org/TOUR/ > > > http://ipm.ncsu.edu/wildlife/small_grains_wildlife.html > > > http://www.gbr.wwf.org.au/content/problem/sugarcane.htm > > > > > > http://www.wildlifetrustofindia.org/...ele_poison.htm > > > http://species.fws.gov/bio_rhin.html > > > http://www.forages.css.orst.edu/Topi...rate/Mice.html > > > http://eesc.orst.edu/agcomwebfile/news/food/vegan.html > > > http://www.hornedlizards.org/hornedlizards/help.html > > > http://insects.tamu.edu/extension/bulletins/b-5093.html > > > http://www.orst.edu/dept/ncs/newsarc...00/nitrate.htm > > > http://www.orst.edu/instruct/fw251/n...riculture.html > > > http://www.pan-uk.org/pestnews/Pn35/pn35p6.htm > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.greenenergyohio.org/defau...iew&pageID=135 > > > http://www.clearwater.org/news/powerplants.html > > > http://www.epa.gov/airmarkets/capandtrade/power.pdf > > > http://www.nirs.org/licensedtokill/L...xecsummary.pdf > > > http://www.towerkill.com/index.html > > > http://migratorybirds.fws.gov/issues/towers/towers.htm > > > http://www.abcbirds.org/policy/towerkill.htm > > > http://www.mhhe.com/biosci/pae/es_ma...ticle_22.mhtml > > > http://www.netwalk.com/~vireo/devastatingtoll.html > > > http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercu...7697992.htm?1c > > > http://www.energy.ca.gov/pier/energy...00-01-019.html > > > http://www.repp.org/repp_pubs/articl.../04impacts.htm > > > http://www.wvrivers.org/anker-upshur.htm > > > > http://www.fisheries.org/html/Public...nts/ps_2.shtml > > > http://www.powerscorecard.org/issue_...cfm?issue_id=5 > > > http://www.safesecurevital.org/artic...012012004.html > > > http://www.ontarioprofessionals.com/organic.htm > > > > > > > > > Since your non-animal clothing isn't cruelty-free either, > > > here's a couple to cover some problems with cotton. > > > > http://www.panna.org/panna/resources...Cotton.dv.html > > > http://www.sustainablecotton.org/TOUR/ > > > http://www.gbr.wwf.org.au/content/problem/cotton.htm > > > > > > To give you an idea of the sheer number of animals in a field, > > > here's some sites about *just* mice and voles. Note that there > > > can be 100s to 1000s in each acre, not the whole field. > > > > http://216.239.37.100/search?q=cache...state.edu/pubs > > > /natres/06507.pdf+%22voles+per+acre%22+field&hl=en&ie=UTF8 > > > http://extension.usu.edu/publica/natrpubs/voles.pdf > > > http://extension.ag.uidaho.edu/district4/MG/voles.html > > > http://www.forages.css.orst.edu/Topi...rate/Mice.html > > > > > > > > > To cover your selfish pleasure of using usenet, and > > > maintaining a web page on same, here's are a couple > > > dealing with power and communications. > > > http://www.clearwater.org/news/powerplants.html > > > http://www.towerkill.com/index.html > > > > Nothing about organic farming? > ------------- > Didn't read them did you? Typical, killer. I saw one page, http://www.ontarioprofessionals.com/organic.htm , which describes sterilization of frogs, and the comment that Atrazine should be treated even more strictly by environmental regulators, but nothing about deaths by the millions of anything. Got anything else? > snippage, Evasion. Your arguments have been refuted numerous times. --restore-- And see; > http://www.google.ie/groups?selm=bsi...&output=gplain > > > > 'Surveys by the ministry of agriculture and the British Trust > > for Ornithology have shown the beneficial effects of organic > > farming on wildlife. It's not difficult to see why: the pesticides > > used in intensive agriculture kill many soil organisms, insects > > and other larger species. They also kill plants considered to > > be weeds. That means fewer food sources available for other > > animals, birds and beneficial insects and it also destroys many > > of their habitats.' > > http://www.soilassociation.org/web/s.../benefits.html > > > > '..This comprehensive European-wide literature review provides > > evidence on the whole range of environmental benefits of organic > > farming. It concludes that, in comparison with non-organic farming, > > organic farming tends to support greater biodiversity, conserves > > soil fertility and stability better, does not pose any risk of water > > pollution from pesticides, results in 40-60% lower carbon dioxide > > emissions per hectare, nitrous oxide and ammonia emission > > potential appears to be lower, energy consumption is usually lower, > > and energy efficiency is usually higher. > > ..' > > > http://www.soilassociation.org/sa/sa...Sheets05092001 > > > > 'The independent research quoted in this report found substantially > > greater levels of both abundance and diversity of species on the > > organic farms, as outlined below: > > > > Plants: Five times as many wild plants in arable fields, 57% more > > species, and several rare and declining wild arable species found > > only on organic farms. > > > > Birds: 25% more birds at the field edge, 44% more in-field in > > autumn/winter; 2.2 times as many breeding skylarks and higher > > skylark breeding rates. > > > > Invertebrates: 1.6 times as many of the arthropods that comprise > > bird food; three times as many non-pest butterflies in the crop areas; > > one to five times as many spider numbers and one to two times as > > many spider species. > > > > Crop pests: Significant decrease in aphid numbers; no change in > > numbers of pest butterflies. > > > > Distribution of the biodiversity benefits: Though the field boundaries > > had the highest levels of wildlife, the highest increases were found > > in the cropped areas of the fields. > > > > Quality of the habitats: Both the field boundary and crop habitats > > were more favourable on the organic farms. The field boundaries > > had more trees, larger hedges and no spray drift. > > ..' > > http://www.pan-uk.org/pestnews/pn48/pn48p15b.htm. |
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> > "pearl" > wrote in message > ... > > "rick etter" > wrote in message > .net... > > > > > > "pearl" > wrote in message > > > ... > > > > "rick etter" > wrote in message > > > ink.net... > > > > > > > > > > "C. James Strutz" > wrote in message > > > > > ... > > > > <..> > > > > > > Etter froths his stupidity > > > > > ================ > > > > > If it were such stupidity you'r think that even a lightweight like > you > > > would > > > > > have been able to refute what I say. You haven't, nor has any other > > > veg*n > > > > > loon here on usenet, killer. > > > > > > http://www.abcbirds.org/pesticides/pesticideindex.htm > > > http://www.pmac.net/summer-rivers.html > > > http://www.pmac.net/fishkill.htm > > > http://www.pmac.net/summer-rivers.html > > > http://www.pmac.net/bird_fish_CA.html > > > http://oregonstate.edu/dept/ncs/news...00/nitrate.htm > > > http://www.abcbirds.org/pesticides/P...carbofuran.htm > > > http://www.nwf.org/internationalwildlife/hawk.html > > > http://www.pan-uk.org/pestnews/Pn36/pn36p3.htm > > > > http://www.wwfcanada.org/satellite/p...eFactSheet.pdf > > > http://www.ncwildlife.org/pg07_Wildl...on/pg7f2b6.htm > > > http://eesc.orst.edu/agcomwebfile/news/food/vegan.html > > > http://www.wildlifedamagecontrol.com.../leastharm.htm > > > > http://www.panna.org/panna/resources...Cotton.dv.html > > > http://www.sustainablecotton.org/TOUR/ > > > http://ipm.ncsu.edu/wildlife/small_grains_wildlife.html > > > http://www.gbr.wwf.org.au/content/problem/sugarcane.htm > > > > > > http://www.wildlifetrustofindia.org/...ele_poison.htm > > > http://species.fws.gov/bio_rhin.html > > > http://www.forages.css.orst.edu/Topi...rate/Mice.html > > > http://eesc.orst.edu/agcomwebfile/news/food/vegan.html > > > http://www.hornedlizards.org/hornedlizards/help.html > > > http://insects.tamu.edu/extension/bulletins/b-5093.html > > > http://www.orst.edu/dept/ncs/newsarc...00/nitrate.htm > > > http://www.orst.edu/instruct/fw251/n...riculture.html > > > http://www.pan-uk.org/pestnews/Pn35/pn35p6.htm > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.greenenergyohio.org/defau...iew&pageID=135 > > > http://www.clearwater.org/news/powerplants.html > > > http://www.epa.gov/airmarkets/capandtrade/power.pdf > > > http://www.nirs.org/licensedtokill/L...xecsummary.pdf > > > http://www.towerkill.com/index.html > > > http://migratorybirds.fws.gov/issues/towers/towers.htm > > > http://www.abcbirds.org/policy/towerkill.htm > > > http://www.mhhe.com/biosci/pae/es_ma...ticle_22.mhtml > > > http://www.netwalk.com/~vireo/devastatingtoll.html > > > http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercu...7697992.htm?1c > > > http://www.energy.ca.gov/pier/energy...00-01-019.html > > > http://www.repp.org/repp_pubs/articl.../04impacts.htm > > > http://www.wvrivers.org/anker-upshur.htm > > > > http://www.fisheries.org/html/Public...nts/ps_2.shtml > > > http://www.powerscorecard.org/issue_...cfm?issue_id=5 > > > http://www.safesecurevital.org/artic...012012004.html > > > http://www.ontarioprofessionals.com/organic.htm > > > > > > > > > Since your non-animal clothing isn't cruelty-free either, > > > here's a couple to cover some problems with cotton. > > > > http://www.panna.org/panna/resources...Cotton.dv.html > > > http://www.sustainablecotton.org/TOUR/ > > > http://www.gbr.wwf.org.au/content/problem/cotton.htm > > > > > > To give you an idea of the sheer number of animals in a field, > > > here's some sites about *just* mice and voles. Note that there > > > can be 100s to 1000s in each acre, not the whole field. > > > > http://216.239.37.100/search?q=cache...state.edu/pubs > > > /natres/06507.pdf+%22voles+per+acre%22+field&hl=en&ie=UTF8 > > > http://extension.usu.edu/publica/natrpubs/voles.pdf > > > http://extension.ag.uidaho.edu/district4/MG/voles.html > > > http://www.forages.css.orst.edu/Topi...rate/Mice.html > > > > > > > > > To cover your selfish pleasure of using usenet, and > > > maintaining a web page on same, here's are a couple > > > dealing with power and communications. > > > http://www.clearwater.org/news/powerplants.html > > > http://www.towerkill.com/index.html > > > > Nothing about organic farming? > ------------- > Didn't read them did you? Typical, killer. I saw one page, http://www.ontarioprofessionals.com/organic.htm , which describes sterilization of frogs, and the comment that Atrazine should be treated even more strictly by environmental regulators, but nothing about deaths by the millions of anything. Got anything else? > snippage, Evasion. Your arguments have been refuted numerous times. --restore-- And see; > http://www.google.ie/groups?selm=bsi...&output=gplain > > > > 'Surveys by the ministry of agriculture and the British Trust > > for Ornithology have shown the beneficial effects of organic > > farming on wildlife. It's not difficult to see why: the pesticides > > used in intensive agriculture kill many soil organisms, insects > > and other larger species. They also kill plants considered to > > be weeds. That means fewer food sources available for other > > animals, birds and beneficial insects and it also destroys many > > of their habitats.' > > http://www.soilassociation.org/web/s.../benefits.html > > > > '..This comprehensive European-wide literature review provides > > evidence on the whole range of environmental benefits of organic > > farming. It concludes that, in comparison with non-organic farming, > > organic farming tends to support greater biodiversity, conserves > > soil fertility and stability better, does not pose any risk of water > > pollution from pesticides, results in 40-60% lower carbon dioxide > > emissions per hectare, nitrous oxide and ammonia emission > > potential appears to be lower, energy consumption is usually lower, > > and energy efficiency is usually higher. > > ..' > > > http://www.soilassociation.org/sa/sa...Sheets05092001 > > > > 'The independent research quoted in this report found substantially > > greater levels of both abundance and diversity of species on the > > organic farms, as outlined below: > > > > Plants: Five times as many wild plants in arable fields, 57% more > > species, and several rare and declining wild arable species found > > only on organic farms. > > > > Birds: 25% more birds at the field edge, 44% more in-field in > > autumn/winter; 2.2 times as many breeding skylarks and higher > > skylark breeding rates. > > > > Invertebrates: 1.6 times as many of the arthropods that comprise > > bird food; three times as many non-pest butterflies in the crop areas; > > one to five times as many spider numbers and one to two times as > > many spider species. > > > > Crop pests: Significant decrease in aphid numbers; no change in > > numbers of pest butterflies. > > > > Distribution of the biodiversity benefits: Though the field boundaries > > had the highest levels of wildlife, the highest increases were found > > in the cropped areas of the fields. > > > > Quality of the habitats: Both the field boundary and crop habitats > > were more favourable on the organic farms. The field boundaries > > had more trees, larger hedges and no spray drift. > > ..' > > http://www.pan-uk.org/pestnews/pn48/pn48p15b.htm. |
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"rick etter" > wrote in message ink.net...
> > "pearl" > wrote in message > ... > > "rick etter" > wrote in message > nk.net... > > snippage, > > > > Evasion. Your arguments have been refuted numerous times. > ================== > No, they have not. And YOU haven't even come close!!! Yes they have, loony bin. Address this, stupid liar. --restore-- > http://www.google.ie/groups?selm=bsi...&output=gplain > > > > 'Surveys by the ministry of agriculture and the British Trust > > for Ornithology have shown the beneficial effects of organic > > farming on wildlife. It's not difficult to see why: the pesticides > > used in intensive agriculture kill many soil organisms, insects > > and other larger species. They also kill plants considered to > > be weeds. That means fewer food sources available for other > > animals, birds and beneficial insects and it also destroys many > > of their habitats.' > > http://www.soilassociation.org/web/s.../benefits.html > > > > '..This comprehensive European-wide literature review provides > > evidence on the whole range of environmental benefits of organic > > farming. It concludes that, in comparison with non-organic farming, > > organic farming tends to support greater biodiversity, conserves > > soil fertility and stability better, does not pose any risk of water > > pollution from pesticides, results in 40-60% lower carbon dioxide > > emissions per hectare, nitrous oxide and ammonia emission > > potential appears to be lower, energy consumption is usually lower, > > and energy efficiency is usually higher. > > ..' > > > http://www.soilassociation.org/sa/sa...Sheets05092001 > > > > 'The independent research quoted in this report found substantially > > greater levels of both abundance and diversity of species on the > > organic farms, as outlined below: > > > > Plants: Five times as many wild plants in arable fields, 57% more > > species, and several rare and declining wild arable species found > > only on organic farms. > > > > Birds: 25% more birds at the field edge, 44% more in-field in > > autumn/winter; 2.2 times as many breeding skylarks and higher > > skylark breeding rates. > > > > Invertebrates: 1.6 times as many of the arthropods that comprise > > bird food; three times as many non-pest butterflies in the crop areas; > > one to five times as many spider numbers and one to two times as > > many spider species. > > > > Crop pests: Significant decrease in aphid numbers; no change in > > numbers of pest butterflies. > > > > Distribution of the biodiversity benefits: Though the field boundaries > > had the highest levels of wildlife, the highest increases were found > > in the cropped areas of the fields. > > > > Quality of the habitats: Both the field boundary and crop habitats > > were more favourable on the organic farms. The field boundaries > > had more trees, larger hedges and no spray drift. > > ..' > > http://www.pan-uk.org/pestnews/pn48/pn48p15b.htm. |
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"rick etter" > wrote in message ink.net...
> > "pearl" > wrote in message > ... > > "rick etter" > wrote in message > nk.net... > > snippage, > > > > Evasion. Your arguments have been refuted numerous times. > ================== > No, they have not. And YOU haven't even come close!!! Yes they have, loony bin. Address this, stupid liar. --restore-- > http://www.google.ie/groups?selm=bsi...&output=gplain > > > > 'Surveys by the ministry of agriculture and the British Trust > > for Ornithology have shown the beneficial effects of organic > > farming on wildlife. It's not difficult to see why: the pesticides > > used in intensive agriculture kill many soil organisms, insects > > and other larger species. They also kill plants considered to > > be weeds. That means fewer food sources available for other > > animals, birds and beneficial insects and it also destroys many > > of their habitats.' > > http://www.soilassociation.org/web/s.../benefits.html > > > > '..This comprehensive European-wide literature review provides > > evidence on the whole range of environmental benefits of organic > > farming. It concludes that, in comparison with non-organic farming, > > organic farming tends to support greater biodiversity, conserves > > soil fertility and stability better, does not pose any risk of water > > pollution from pesticides, results in 40-60% lower carbon dioxide > > emissions per hectare, nitrous oxide and ammonia emission > > potential appears to be lower, energy consumption is usually lower, > > and energy efficiency is usually higher. > > ..' > > > http://www.soilassociation.org/sa/sa...Sheets05092001 > > > > 'The independent research quoted in this report found substantially > > greater levels of both abundance and diversity of species on the > > organic farms, as outlined below: > > > > Plants: Five times as many wild plants in arable fields, 57% more > > species, and several rare and declining wild arable species found > > only on organic farms. > > > > Birds: 25% more birds at the field edge, 44% more in-field in > > autumn/winter; 2.2 times as many breeding skylarks and higher > > skylark breeding rates. > > > > Invertebrates: 1.6 times as many of the arthropods that comprise > > bird food; three times as many non-pest butterflies in the crop areas; > > one to five times as many spider numbers and one to two times as > > many spider species. > > > > Crop pests: Significant decrease in aphid numbers; no change in > > numbers of pest butterflies. > > > > Distribution of the biodiversity benefits: Though the field boundaries > > had the highest levels of wildlife, the highest increases were found > > in the cropped areas of the fields. > > > > Quality of the habitats: Both the field boundary and crop habitats > > were more favourable on the organic farms. The field boundaries > > had more trees, larger hedges and no spray drift. > > ..' > > http://www.pan-uk.org/pestnews/pn48/pn48p15b.htm. |
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rick etter wrote:
> No, they have not. And YOU haven't even come close!!! Another group with rick etters posts. You sure do have a lot of time to waste. Oh well, adding rick etter to my kill file for rec.food.veg Steve |
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rick etter wrote:
> No, they have not. And YOU haven't even come close!!! Another group with rick etters posts. You sure do have a lot of time to waste. Oh well, adding rick etter to my kill file for rec.food.veg Steve |
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Heh. Get a hotel room, you two.
"rick etter" > wrote in message nk.net... > > "pearl" > wrote in message > ... > > "rick etter" > wrote in message > .net... > > > > > > "pearl" > wrote in message > > > ... > > > > "rick etter" > wrote in message > > > ink.net... > > > > > > > > > > "C. James Strutz" > wrote in message > > > > > ... > > > > <..> > > > > > > Etter froths his stupidity > > > > > ================ > > > > > If it were such stupidity you'r think that even a lightweight like > you > > > would > > > > > have been able to refute what I say. You haven't, nor has any other > > > veg*n > > > > > loon here on usenet, killer. > > > > > > http://www.abcbirds.org/pesticides/pesticideindex.htm > > > http://www.pmac.net/summer-rivers.html > > > http://www.pmac.net/fishkill.htm > > > http://www.pmac.net/summer-rivers.html > > > http://www.pmac.net/bird_fish_CA.html > > > http://oregonstate.edu/dept/ncs/news...00/nitrate.htm > > > http://www.abcbirds.org/pesticides/P...carbofuran.htm > > > http://www.nwf.org/internationalwildlife/hawk.html > > > http://www.pan-uk.org/pestnews/Pn36/pn36p3.htm > > > > http://www.wwfcanada.org/satellite/p...feFactSheet.pd f > > > http://www.ncwildlife.org/pg07_Wildl...on/pg7f2b6.htm > > > http://eesc.orst.edu/agcomwebfile/news/food/vegan.html > > > http://www.wildlifedamagecontrol.com.../leastharm.htm > > > > http://www.panna.org/panna/resources...Cotton.dv.html > > > http://www.sustainablecotton.org/TOUR/ > > > http://ipm.ncsu.edu/wildlife/small_grains_wildlife.html > > > http://www.gbr.wwf.org.au/content/problem/sugarcane.htm > > > > > > http://www.wildlifetrustofindia.org/...ele_poison.htm > > > http://species.fws.gov/bio_rhin.html > > > http://www.forages.css.orst.edu/Topi...rate/Mice.html > > > http://eesc.orst.edu/agcomwebfile/news/food/vegan.html > > > http://www.hornedlizards.org/hornedlizards/help.html > > > http://insects.tamu.edu/extension/bulletins/b-5093.html > > > http://www.orst.edu/dept/ncs/newsarc...00/nitrate.htm > > > http://www.orst.edu/instruct/fw251/n...riculture.html > > > http://www.pan-uk.org/pestnews/Pn35/pn35p6.htm > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.greenenergyohio.org/defau...iew&pageID=135 > > > http://www.clearwater.org/news/powerplants.html > > > http://www.epa.gov/airmarkets/capandtrade/power.pdf > > > http://www.nirs.org/licensedtokill/L...xecsummary.pdf > > > http://www.towerkill.com/index.html > > > http://migratorybirds.fws.gov/issues/towers/towers.htm > > > http://www.abcbirds.org/policy/towerkill.htm > > > http://www.mhhe.com/biosci/pae/es_ma...ticle_22.mhtml > > > http://www.netwalk.com/~vireo/devastatingtoll.html > > > http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercu...7697992.htm?1c > > > http://www.energy.ca.gov/pier/energy...00-01-019.html > > > http://www.repp.org/repp_pubs/articl.../04impacts.htm > > > http://www.wvrivers.org/anker-upshur.htm > > > > http://www.fisheries.org/html/Public...nts/ps_2.shtml > > > http://www.powerscorecard.org/issue_...cfm?issue_id=5 > > > http://www.safesecurevital.org/artic...012012004.html > > > http://www.ontarioprofessionals.com/organic.htm > > > > > > > > > Since your non-animal clothing isn't cruelty-free either, > > > here's a couple to cover some problems with cotton. > > > > http://www.panna.org/panna/resources...Cotton.dv.html > > > http://www.sustainablecotton.org/TOUR/ > > > http://www.gbr.wwf.org.au/content/problem/cotton.htm > > > > > > To give you an idea of the sheer number of animals in a field, > > > here's some sites about *just* mice and voles. Note that there > > > can be 100s to 1000s in each acre, not the whole field. > > > > http://216.239.37.100/search?q=cache...state.edu/pubs > > > /natres/06507.pdf+%22voles+per+acre%22+field&hl=en&ie=UTF8 > > > http://extension.usu.edu/publica/natrpubs/voles.pdf > > > http://extension.ag.uidaho.edu/district4/MG/voles.html > > > http://www.forages.css.orst.edu/Topi...rate/Mice.html > > > > > > > > > To cover your selfish pleasure of using usenet, and > > > maintaining a web page on same, here's are a couple > > > dealing with power and communications. > > > http://www.clearwater.org/news/powerplants.html > > > http://www.towerkill.com/index.html > > > > Nothing about organic farming? > ------------- > Didn't read them did you? Typical, killer. > > > snippage, > > > |
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Heh. Get a hotel room, you two.
"rick etter" > wrote in message nk.net... > > "pearl" > wrote in message > ... > > "rick etter" > wrote in message > .net... > > > > > > "pearl" > wrote in message > > > ... > > > > "rick etter" > wrote in message > > > ink.net... > > > > > > > > > > "C. James Strutz" > wrote in message > > > > > ... > > > > <..> > > > > > > Etter froths his stupidity > > > > > ================ > > > > > If it were such stupidity you'r think that even a lightweight like > you > > > would > > > > > have been able to refute what I say. You haven't, nor has any other > > > veg*n > > > > > loon here on usenet, killer. > > > > > > http://www.abcbirds.org/pesticides/pesticideindex.htm > > > http://www.pmac.net/summer-rivers.html > > > http://www.pmac.net/fishkill.htm > > > http://www.pmac.net/summer-rivers.html > > > http://www.pmac.net/bird_fish_CA.html > > > http://oregonstate.edu/dept/ncs/news...00/nitrate.htm > > > http://www.abcbirds.org/pesticides/P...carbofuran.htm > > > http://www.nwf.org/internationalwildlife/hawk.html > > > http://www.pan-uk.org/pestnews/Pn36/pn36p3.htm > > > > http://www.wwfcanada.org/satellite/p...feFactSheet.pd f > > > http://www.ncwildlife.org/pg07_Wildl...on/pg7f2b6.htm > > > http://eesc.orst.edu/agcomwebfile/news/food/vegan.html > > > http://www.wildlifedamagecontrol.com.../leastharm.htm > > > > http://www.panna.org/panna/resources...Cotton.dv.html > > > http://www.sustainablecotton.org/TOUR/ > > > http://ipm.ncsu.edu/wildlife/small_grains_wildlife.html > > > http://www.gbr.wwf.org.au/content/problem/sugarcane.htm > > > > > > http://www.wildlifetrustofindia.org/...ele_poison.htm > > > http://species.fws.gov/bio_rhin.html > > > http://www.forages.css.orst.edu/Topi...rate/Mice.html > > > http://eesc.orst.edu/agcomwebfile/news/food/vegan.html > > > http://www.hornedlizards.org/hornedlizards/help.html > > > http://insects.tamu.edu/extension/bulletins/b-5093.html > > > http://www.orst.edu/dept/ncs/newsarc...00/nitrate.htm > > > http://www.orst.edu/instruct/fw251/n...riculture.html > > > http://www.pan-uk.org/pestnews/Pn35/pn35p6.htm > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.greenenergyohio.org/defau...iew&pageID=135 > > > http://www.clearwater.org/news/powerplants.html > > > http://www.epa.gov/airmarkets/capandtrade/power.pdf > > > http://www.nirs.org/licensedtokill/L...xecsummary.pdf > > > http://www.towerkill.com/index.html > > > http://migratorybirds.fws.gov/issues/towers/towers.htm > > > http://www.abcbirds.org/policy/towerkill.htm > > > http://www.mhhe.com/biosci/pae/es_ma...ticle_22.mhtml > > > http://www.netwalk.com/~vireo/devastatingtoll.html > > > http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercu...7697992.htm?1c > > > http://www.energy.ca.gov/pier/energy...00-01-019.html > > > http://www.repp.org/repp_pubs/articl.../04impacts.htm > > > http://www.wvrivers.org/anker-upshur.htm > > > > http://www.fisheries.org/html/Public...nts/ps_2.shtml > > > http://www.powerscorecard.org/issue_...cfm?issue_id=5 > > > http://www.safesecurevital.org/artic...012012004.html > > > http://www.ontarioprofessionals.com/organic.htm > > > > > > > > > Since your non-animal clothing isn't cruelty-free either, > > > here's a couple to cover some problems with cotton. > > > > http://www.panna.org/panna/resources...Cotton.dv.html > > > http://www.sustainablecotton.org/TOUR/ > > > http://www.gbr.wwf.org.au/content/problem/cotton.htm > > > > > > To give you an idea of the sheer number of animals in a field, > > > here's some sites about *just* mice and voles. Note that there > > > can be 100s to 1000s in each acre, not the whole field. > > > > http://216.239.37.100/search?q=cache...state.edu/pubs > > > /natres/06507.pdf+%22voles+per+acre%22+field&hl=en&ie=UTF8 > > > http://extension.usu.edu/publica/natrpubs/voles.pdf > > > http://extension.ag.uidaho.edu/district4/MG/voles.html > > > http://www.forages.css.orst.edu/Topi...rate/Mice.html > > > > > > > > > To cover your selfish pleasure of using usenet, and > > > maintaining a web page on same, here's are a couple > > > dealing with power and communications. > > > http://www.clearwater.org/news/powerplants.html > > > http://www.towerkill.com/index.html > > > > Nothing about organic farming? > ------------- > Didn't read them did you? Typical, killer. > > > snippage, > > > |
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