If you look at all the facts and figures, etc, including CDC, it may appears
botulism is over rated as a danger. You may be more at risk driving to the
grocery to purchase your food. I would be more concerned about a lot of
other thing before I would worry about botulism. Like going to your doctors
or hospital. As a former health professional, I can relate to that.

Cooking apparently distroys the botulism toxin.

Andie Z

Andie Z wrote:
> If you look at all the facts and figures, etc, including CDC, it may appears
> botulism is over rated as a danger. You may be more at risk driving to the
> grocery to purchase your food. I would be more concerned about a lot of
> other thing before I would worry about botulism. Like going to your doctors
> or hospital. As a former health professional, I can relate to that.
>
> Cooking apparently distroys the botulism toxin.
>
> Andie Z
>
>


Ten minutes of boiling (simmering may not be enough) destroys botulism
toxin. How many things do you boil for 10 minutes before tasting?

"Andie Z" > wrote in message
news:9_UVf.997$ui7.868@trndny09...
> If you look at all the facts and figures, etc, including CDC, it may
appears
> botulism is over rated as a danger. You may be more at risk driving to
the
> grocery to purchase your food. I would be more concerned about a lot of
> other thing before I would worry about botulism. Like going to your
doctors
> or hospital. As a former health professional, I can relate to that.
>
> Cooking apparently distroys the botulism toxin.
>
> Andie Z
>
>

But WHY take any chances? Especially if you can take easy, simple steps to
avoid it? Getting botulism once is one too many times.

I was at my mother's house today. I'm helping her 'clean house' and I use
the term lightly, because I've just discovered that she's a 'hoarder'
(think if the woman who was on Oprah last fall...gross). Woman's got enuff
canned (grocery store cans, that is) goods to last a life time.....

Anyway, I'm gonna get my mom back on track, and it may take me a
year.....it's so sad.....

Y'know what I found in her pantry today? A jar of her home made chili
sauce. It was in a recycled apple sauce jar with the original lid. It was
sealed with wax. It was dated 1997. Shall I send this (possible) home
made botulism to you?

My mother is clueless, and I'm about to give her a lesson in what is safe
and what is not. I would think that any one who reads this group is more
informed than my mother. I would hope.

I'm just glad that I found this jar before she did.....;-(

I chucked it.

Kathi

"zxcvbob" > wrote in message
...
> Andie Z wrote:
> > If you look at all the facts and figures, etc, including CDC, it may
appears
> > botulism is over rated as a danger. You may be more at risk driving to
the
> > grocery to purchase your food. I would be more concerned about a lot of
> > other thing before I would worry about botulism. Like going to your
doctors
> > or hospital. As a former health professional, I can relate to that.
> >
> > Cooking apparently distroys the botulism toxin.
> >
> > Andie Z
> >
> >
>
>
> Ten minutes of boiling (simmering may not be enough) destroys botulism
> toxin. How many things do you boil for 10 minutes before tasting?

bet my Mom wouldn't have boiled her chili sauce...........

Kathi

Kathi Jones wrote:

> "Andie Z" > wrote in message
> news:9_UVf.997$ui7.868@trndny09...
> > If you look at all the facts and figures, etc, including CDC, it may
> appears
> > botulism is over rated as a danger. You may be more at risk driving to
> the
> > grocery to purchase your food. I would be more concerned about a lot of
> > other thing before I would worry about botulism. Like going to your
> doctors
> > or hospital. As a former health professional, I can relate to that.
> > Cooking apparently distroys the botulism toxin.
> > Andie Z
> >
> But WHY take any chances? Especially if you can take easy, simple steps to
> avoid it? Getting botulism once is one too many times.
> I was at my mother's house today. I'm helping her 'clean house' and I use
> the term lightly, because I've just discovered that she's a 'hoarder'
> (think if the woman who was on Oprah last fall...gross). Woman's got enuff
> canned (grocery store cans, that is) goods to last a life time.....
> Anyway, I'm gonna get my mom back on track, and it may take me a
> year.....it's so sad.....
> Y'know what I found in her pantry today? A jar of her home made chili
> sauce. It was in a recycled apple sauce jar with the original lid. It was
> sealed with wax. It was dated 1997. Shall I send this (possible) home
> made botulism to you?
> My mother is clueless, and I'm about to give her a lesson in what is safe
> and what is not. I would think that any one who reads this group is more
> informed than my mother. I would hope.
> I'm just glad that I found this jar before she did.....;-(
> I chucked it.

Andie - "apparently" is an issue here. Y'all can't always tell when botulism is
growing.
Kathie - Remind yer ma that hoarding is a little like greed and therefore a
sin. My new year's resolution for several years running has been to pare away
the excess.
I'm still working on it. But I give away most of my canned foods before their
expiry.
Edrena

"The Joneses" > wrote in message
...

> ... I give away most of my canned foods before their
> expiry.

That's a bit unkind. If it's not good enough for you why should others want
it?

Mary Fisher wrote:

> "The Joneses" > wrote in message
> ...
>
> > ... I give away most of my canned foods before their
> > expiry.
>
> That's a bit unkind. If it's not good enough for you why should others want
> it?

It's great enuf for us, but we are just two nowadays so if I have several jars
leftover in the spring, all my friends benefit. I think most canned stuff would
last at least two years, but I try not to keep it over a year. Still learning
how much to make....
Edrena

In article > ,
"Mary Fisher" > wrote:

> "The Joneses" > wrote in message
> ...
>
> > ... I give away most of my canned foods before their
> > expiry.
>
> That's a bit unkind. If it's not good enough for you why should others want
> it?

I don't think she said they're not good enough for her; I think she said
she gave stuff away while it could still be enjoyed‹and she wouldn't be
able to eat it all up herself.
--
-Barb
<http://jamlady.eboard.com> Updated 3-27-2006 It Can Can!

"If it's not worth doing to excess, it's not worth doing at all."

"The Joneses" > wrote in message
...
> Kathi Jones wrote:
>
> > "Andie Z" > wrote in message
> > news:9_UVf.997$ui7.868@trndny09...
> > > If you look at all the facts and figures, etc, including CDC, it may
> > appears
> > > botulism is over rated as a danger. You may be more at risk driving
to
> > the
> > > grocery to purchase your food. I would be more concerned about a lot
of
> > > other thing before I would worry about botulism. Like going to your
> > doctors
> > > or hospital. As a former health professional, I can relate to that.
> > > Cooking apparently distroys the botulism toxin.
> > > Andie Z
> > >
> > But WHY take any chances? Especially if you can take easy, simple steps
to
> > avoid it? Getting botulism once is one too many times.
> > I was at my mother's house today. I'm helping her 'clean house' and I
use
> > the term lightly, because I've just discovered that she's a 'hoarder'
> > (think if the woman who was on Oprah last fall...gross). Woman's got
enuff
> > canned (grocery store cans, that is) goods to last a life time.....
> > Anyway, I'm gonna get my mom back on track, and it may take me a
> > year.....it's so sad.....
> > Y'know what I found in her pantry today? A jar of her home made chili
> > sauce. It was in a recycled apple sauce jar with the original lid. It
was
> > sealed with wax. It was dated 1997. Shall I send this (possible) home
> > made botulism to you?
> > My mother is clueless, and I'm about to give her a lesson in what is
safe
> > and what is not. I would think that any one who reads this group is
more
> > informed than my mother. I would hope.
> > I'm just glad that I found this jar before she did.....;-(
> > I chucked it.
>
> Andie - "apparently" is an issue here. Y'all can't always tell when
botulism is
> growing.
> Kathie - Remind yer ma that hoarding is a little like greed and therefore
a
> sin. My new year's resolution for several years running has been to pare
away
> the excess.
> I'm still working on it. But I give away most of my canned foods before
their
> expiry.
> Edrena

Hi Edrena,

my mom's gonna get a lesson in 'downsizing' , among other things. I think I
can get her to cooperate if I suggest we find a women's shelter to donate
her stuff to. Some goodwill places turn around and sell the stuff they
get - I'd rather a REAL needy person gets the stuff she has.

For example, I had a look at her linen closet today....enuff for a small
motel...and she's only one in her house.....

Kathi
>
>