Kswck > wrote:
>Ah, yes Clinton. From the wildly popular president who gave us all 8 years
>of prosperity and huge profits in the market.
>Tell that the people of Enron, Worldcom, etc who lost their life savings

So you think that electing the people of Enron (GW Bush was as
good as a director of the company), Worldcom (Harvey Pitt was
as good as a director of the company), etc. who lost (our) life
savings was a GOOD idea?

--Blair
"Clinton was Jesus compared with Bush."

What a crock. Try the Bush Cheney cartel

Kswck wrote:

> "Dolkian" > wrote in message
> ...
>
>> President Carter and President Clinton. Two of the greatest
>>presidents who have ever lived.
>> If you like this new social planning such as removing Medicare,
>>removing veterans benefits and inflation you will adore the next four
>
> years.
>
>
>
> Ah, yes Clinton. From the wildly popular president who gave us all 8 years
> of prosperity and huge profits in the market.
> Tell that the people of Enron, Worldcom, etc who lost their life savings
>
>

President Clinton went to England to avoid the draft and get of of a
war he disapproved of. This man is brilliant and was at Oxford now
where were you a student or did you not get past the first grade.
Unlike the Chimp in Chief Bush who proclaimed he supported the war cut
and ran on his dads dime. They he ran away from the guard...a hidding
place for those who don't want to do war but claim they do.
As to Vice President Gore you have taken his words out of context and
if you had any information at all you would know better.

Kswck wrote:

> "Dolkian" > wrote in message
> ...
>
>> There are no rules that any veep keep his mouth shut. We especially
>>appreciate Vice President Gore's speaking the truth even at this very
>>moment.
>
>
> "I invented the internet." <sound familiar?>
>
>> President Carter was not only a real Christian who practiced his
>>religion he was a graduate of the United States Naval Academy and served
>>in the Navy. None of these hawks who are running the war today and
>>killing thousands ever served in any capacity other than to run away
>>after giving their oaths to serve.
>>
>
>
> What branch of the service did Clinton serve in?
>
>
>

He has a great post presidency track record also. He is truly a
great man who has given much to this world.

Blair P. Houghton wrote:

> Kswck > wrote:
>
>>Jimmy Carter was interviewed on 60 minutes a few years ago and he was asked
>>if he considered his presidency a failure. He responded 'YES'. He left
>>office w/hostages in Iran and a 20% inflation rate.
>>
>>So tell me again how great he was again?
>
>
> He was able to admit his mistakes.
>
> --Blair
> "Of course, the former of those turned out
> to have been the direct result of treason
> by his replacement..."

Ah so true.

Blair P. Houghton wrote:

> Kswck > wrote:
>
>>Ah, yes Clinton. From the wildly popular president who gave us all 8 years
>>of prosperity and huge profits in the market.
>>Tell that the people of Enron, Worldcom, etc who lost their life savings
>
>
> So you think that electing the people of Enron (GW Bush was as
> good as a director of the company), Worldcom (Harvey Pitt was
> as good as a director of the company), etc. who lost (our) life
> savings was a GOOD idea?
>
> --Blair
> "Clinton was Jesus compared with Bush."

Dolkian wrote:
> He has a great post presidency track record also. He is truly a great
> man who has given much to this world.
>
> Blair P. Houghton wrote:
>


Carter is a great man who totally sucked as President. He has been one
of our best *ex* -Presidents.

Best regards,
Bob

"Blair P. Houghton" > wrote in message
...
> Kswck > wrote:
> >Ah, yes Clinton. From the wildly popular president who gave us all 8
years
> >of prosperity and huge profits in the market.
> >Tell that the people of Enron, Worldcom, etc who lost their life savings
>
> So you think that electing the people of Enron (GW Bush was as
> good as a director of the company), Worldcom (Harvey Pitt was
> as good as a director of the company), etc. who lost (our) life
> savings was a GOOD idea?
>
> --Blair
> "Clinton was Jesus compared with Bush."

Hardly. Just responding to those who praise Clinton so much.

"Blair P. Houghton" > wrote in message
...
> Kswck > wrote:
> >
> >Jimmy Carter was interviewed on 60 minutes a few years ago and he was
asked
> >if he considered his presidency a failure. He responded 'YES'. He left
> >office w/hostages in Iran and a 20% inflation rate.
> >
> >So tell me again how great he was again?
>
> He was able to admit his mistakes.
>


Yup, guess THAT makes him great.

> He has a great post presidency track record also. He is truly a
> great man who has given much to this world.
>
> Blair P. Houghton wrote:
>

Ah, but AS president, he screwed everybody <figuratively>, with Clinton, he
tried to screw everyone literally-he just ran out of time.

zxcvbob > wrote:
>Dolkian wrote:
>> He has a great post presidency track record also. He is truly a great
>> man who has given much to this world.
>>
>> Blair P. Houghton wrote:
>>
>
>
>Carter is a great man who totally sucked as President. He has been one
>of our best *ex* -Presidents.

He was actually pretty good as a President at a time when it was
a hopeless proposition.

Remember Ford and his "WIN"* buttons?

And remember it was Carter who sent us into Afghanistan, thus
bankrupting the Soviet Union.

--Blair
"Yep. The Gipper's pals lied
about that too."

* - Whip Inflation Now

Kswck > wrote:
>
>
>> He has a great post presidency track record also. He is truly a
>> great man who has given much to this world.
>>
>> Blair P. Houghton wrote:
>>
>
>Ah, but AS president, he screwed everybody <figuratively>, with Clinton, he
>tried to screw everyone literally-he just ran out of time.

Neither is true.

--Blair
"But, as a troll, you knew that."

Kswck > wrote:
>
>"Blair P. Houghton" > wrote in message
.. .
>> Kswck > wrote:
>> >Ah, yes Clinton. From the wildly popular president who gave us all 8
>years
>> >of prosperity and huge profits in the market.
>> >Tell that the people of Enron, Worldcom, etc who lost their life savings
>>
>> So you think that electing the people of Enron (GW Bush was as
>> good as a director of the company), Worldcom (Harvey Pitt was
>> as good as a director of the company), etc. who lost (our) life
>> savings was a GOOD idea?
>>
>> "Clinton was Jesus compared with Bush."
>
>Hardly. Just responding to those who praise Clinton so much.

They praise him because they love him.

The idea that he was a bad President is not revealed in his
poll numbers.

The idea that Reagan was better is absolutely refuted by his
poll numbers.

The poll numbers:

http://www.pollkatz.homestead.com/fi...2_image001.gif

The only time Clinton trails Reagan is in their respective
first years. During their respective "scandal years"--in
both cases the last two of each's tenure--Clinton's ratings
hold steady while Reagan's tank. That's because America
knew Clinton was being railroaded by political hacks for
a notional transgression while Reagan was the perpetrator
of treason.

Dubya, incidentally, is tracking with Nixon, only he's
doing it a year ahead of schedule. The way he's squandered
the highest approval ratings in history (clearly due to
people feeling loyalty to the nation if not her figurehead)
should be a source of terror and anger for those in
his party.

--Blair
"Now that you've learned the truth,
try to be a better person."

On Sat, 05 Jun 2004 20:03:54 -0700, Dolkian > wrote:

>The greatest American president was and is President William
>Jefferson Clinton. Nothing he ever did in the Whitehouse killed
>innocent people.

Do you really think '911' was thought up, plotted & planned in the
first few months of Bushes presidency?

Clinton did not do anything to keep something like that from
happening.
As a whole his presidency sucked and he did nothing to protect the
USA. By the end of his term, most of the military was depleted and
the USA was practically an open invitation for terrorists.

Do you really want something like that to occur again?
Maybe in your home town?

I don't. The way I see it, we have to sacrifice a little to keep
peace in our neck of the woods and keep the evil people out.

Lastly, the Democratic party loves to take as much money as they can
and spread it around like kindergartners sharing a package of cookies.


Denise, Brian & Wyatt (May 31, 02)

How much Healthy Choice ice cream can I eat before it's no longer a healthy choice?

Take a look at supply side economics. Check out the current budget
proposed by the Crawford cowboy you know, the idiot from texas.
Talk about big spenders.
Yes 911 to 609 were brought to you by the big oil companies.

Denise~* wrote:

> On Sat, 05 Jun 2004 20:03:54 -0700, Dolkian > wrote:
>
>
>>The greatest American president was and is President William
>>Jefferson Clinton. Nothing he ever did in the Whitehouse killed
>>innocent people.
>
>
> Do you really think '911' was thought up, plotted & planned in the
> first few months of Bushes presidency?
>
> Clinton did not do anything to keep something like that from
> happening.
> As a whole his presidency sucked and he did nothing to protect the
> USA. By the end of his term, most of the military was depleted and
> the USA was practically an open invitation for terrorists.
>
> Do you really want something like that to occur again?
> Maybe in your home town?
>
> I don't. The way I see it, we have to sacrifice a little to keep
> peace in our neck of the woods and keep the evil people out.
>
> Lastly, the Democratic party loves to take as much money as they can
> and spread it around like kindergartners sharing a package of cookies.
>
>
> Denise, Brian & Wyatt (May 31, 02)
>
> How much Healthy Choice ice cream can I eat before it's no longer a healthy choice?

"Denise~*" > wrote in message
...

> Lastly, the Democratic party loves to take as much money as they can
> and spread it around like kindergartners sharing a package of cookies.

This is in contrast to Reagan and Bush who run up the deficit in order to
give huge tax breaks to the wealthy and let our children and grandchildren
pay for it. Is this what you want? I don't.

--
Peter Aitken

Remove the crap from my email address before using.

"Denise~*" > wrote in message
...
> On Sat, 05 Jun 2004 20:03:54 -0700, Dolkian > wrote:
>
> >The greatest American president was and is President William
> >Jefferson Clinton. Nothing he ever did in the Whitehouse killed
> >innocent people.
>
> Do you really think '911' was thought up, plotted & planned in the
> first few months of Bushes presidency?
>

By the same token, do you really think that Bush fought the wars in
Afghanistan and Iraq with an army of his own making? Everyone on the right
blasts Clinton for ruining the armed forces, but turned around and claimed
that we had the finest warriors and the best equipment money could buy.

:
: Denise, Brian & Wyatt (May 31, 02)
:


by all means, if you are pleased with the war, the deficit, the loss
of jobs, vote for bush.

I am pleased with the economy, increasing government sales, tax
refunds and huge tax breaks. I love the fact that those who own large
business with many employees no longer have to hand out welfare in the
form of medical and other insurance. I love it. Don't you like the
huge tax breaks?

rose read and post wrote:

> :
> : Denise, Brian & Wyatt (May 31, 02)
> :
>
>
> by all means, if you are pleased with the war, the deficit, the loss
> of jobs, vote for bush.
>
>

Denise~* > wrote:
>Do you really think '911' was thought up, plotted & planned in the
>first few months of Bushes presidency?
>
>Clinton did not do anything to keep something like that from
>happening.

Here's something I keep around for people who say things like that.

--Blair
"Stop listening to right-wing talk radio."

.....

"Under Clinton, spending on counterterrorism more than
doubled; the 1993 WTC bombers were caught; and the largest
counterterrorism operation in U.S. history thwarted the
planned millenium attacks. After the 1998 attack on our
embassies in Africa, Clinton authorized Tomahawk missle
strikes against Bin Laden. It is also worth noting reports
that the current Bush Administration backed away from some
of the more aggressive measures for dealing with Al Qaeda
which Clinton had passed on."

--William Danvers, a Clinton adviser on national security,
in The New Yorker, May 13, 02

.....

<<<<<FACT IS---if we left it up to YOU fvcking bozos to
actually make a decision on ANYTHING, NOTHING would EVER
get done.>>>>

Actually, that's not true.......... you need to check
your facts.

On February 10, 1995, a counterterrorism bill drafted by
the Clinton Administration was introduced in the Senate as
S. 390 and in the House of Representatives as H.R. 896. For
the record, these bills are almost IDENTICAL to what the
Bush administration has adopted.

However, when Clinton presented them, the Republicans
SCREAMED!! "The Clinton bill is a mixture of: provisions
eroding constitutional and statutory due process
protections, selective federalization. . .of state crimes
(minus state due process rules), discredited ideas from the
Reagan and Bush Administrations, and the extension of some
of the worst elements of crime bills of the recent past."

Treasury and Justice Department officials balked at
President Clinton's first attempts to pressure foreign
banks to seize al-Qaeda accounts.

Clinton was successful at grounding Ariana, the Afghan
national airline used by al-Qaeda for international travel
and weapons smuggling.


Clinton also began amassing a list of businesses and
charities suspected of aiding terrorists. This list was
used by the Bush administration after 9/11.

Clinton also asked for the development of a Predator
drone; it would be armed with Hellfire missiles. It was
not operational until President Bush came in. Bush never
used it.

Clinton had submarines on quick standby attack. President
Bush asked them to stand down when he came into power.

Clinton had, in published accounts, death squads from
Pakistan, Afghanistan, from the United States' CIA and
Northern Alliance all trying go after bin Laden.

The federal budget on anti-terror activities tripled during
Clinton's watch, to about $6.7 billion.

Most important: Clinton handed over a plan to attack the
al-Qaeda network. Bush ignored it for eight months. After
9/11, Rice implemented Clinton's plan.

Also handed over to Bush when he took office was a
detailed assessment of Osama Bin Laden's network, and how
to combat it.

.....

In February of 2001, L. Paul Bremer, who was eventually to
become the U.S. administrator in Iraq, said in a speech
that the Bush administration was "paying no attention"
to terrorism.

"What they will do is stagger along until there's a major
incident and then suddenly say, 'Oh my God, shouldn't we
be organized to deal with this,"' said Bremer.

On Thu, 10 Jun 2004 01:15:43 GMT, "rosie read and post"
> wrote:

>
>:
>: Denise, Brian & Wyatt (May 31, 02)
>:
>
>
>by all means, if you are pleased with the war, the deficit, the loss
>of jobs, vote for bush.
>

I am happy that something is being done about terrorism. WJC had 4
changes to get bin laden in his Presidency, and didn't do anything
about it.

I never said Bush was the best, but WJC certainly isn't, and his
presidency wasn;t apple pie perfect either as so many delusional
people claim.

Actually, I hope that the Libertarian party would get more support &
have a third party candidate with half a chance of winning.


Denise, Brian & Wyatt (May 31, 02)

How much Healthy Choice ice cream can I eat before it's no longer a healthy choice?

On Wed, 09 Jun 2004 16:41:09 -0700, Dolkian > wrote:

> Yes 911 to 609 were brought to you by the big oil companies.

Nope, don't think so. They were brought to us by psycho terrorists
who despise Americans & willing to kill themselves in order to fly a
plane into a building. I'm wondering what will be next.

I Actually believe we should drill for our own oil & be more self
supportive. Then Arabs would have less money, which would equal less
power & less chance of blowing us to smithereens.

Also, drilling our own oil would create more jobs in the USA.
MANY more jobs. Sure would increase the economy of the USA.


Denise, Brian & Wyatt (May 31, 02)

How much Healthy Choice ice cream can I eat before it's no longer a healthy choice?

"Denise~*" > wrote in message
...
> On Thu, 10 Jun 2004 01:15:43 GMT, "rosie read and post"
> > wrote:
>
> >
> >:
> >: Denise, Brian & Wyatt (May 31, 02)
> >:
> >
> >
> >by all means, if you are pleased with the war, the deficit, the loss
> >of jobs, vote for bush.
> >
>
> I am happy that something is being done about terrorism. WJC had 4
> changes to get bin laden in his Presidency, and didn't do anything
> about it.
>

And Bush has had chances to get bin Laden but blew it by diverting resources
and attention from Afghanistan to invade a country that was not helping
terrorists and posed no threat to us or anyone else (other than its own
citizens). The war in Iraq has done more to strengthen bin Laden and other
terrorists than anything they or their supporters could have done.


--
Peter Aitken

Remove the crap from my email address before using.

"Denise~*" > wrote in message
...

: >by all means, if you are pleased with the war, the deficit, the
loss
: >of jobs, vote for bush.
: >
:
: I am happy that something is being done about terrorism. WJC had
4
: changes to get bin laden in his Presidency, and didn't do anything
: about it.
:



something being done about terrorism?
by attacking IRAQ?

seems you need to do your homework!

: Also, drilling our own oil would create more jobs in the USA.
: MANY more jobs. Sure would increase the economy of the USA.
:
:

how about lessening our dependency on oil no matter where it comes
from.
alternative fuel?

Denise~* > writes:

> On Wed, 09 Jun 2004 16:41:09 -0700, Dolkian > wrote:
>
> > Yes 911 to 609 were brought to you by the big oil companies.
>
> Nope, don't think so. They were brought to us by psycho terrorists
> who despise Americans & willing to kill themselves in order to fly a
> plane into a building. I'm wondering what will be next.
>
> I Actually believe we should drill for our own oil & be more self
> supportive. Then Arabs would have less money, which would equal less
> power & less chance of blowing us to smithereens.
>
> Also, drilling our own oil would create more jobs in the USA.
> MANY more jobs. Sure would increase the economy of the USA.

How about not posting off-topic political rantzs to
rec.food.cooking?


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Dolkian > writes:

> I am pleased with the economy, increasing government sales, tax
> refunds and huge tax breaks. I love the fact that those who own
> large business with many employees no longer have to hand out
> welfare in the form of medical and other insurance. I love it.
> Don't you like the huge tax breaks?

Don't you like posts that are on topic and not just political
rants?

================================================== ========================
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On Sun, 06 Jun 2004 19:48:26 -0700, Dolkian > wrote:

> Do you want a list of the hundreds of thousands killed by both Bush
>groups and their best friends.
> Clinton For President
>
>Mr. Wizard wrote:
>
>> "Dolkian" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>
>>> The greatest American president was and is President William
>>>Jefferson Clinton. Nothing he ever did in the Whitehouse killed
>>>innocent people.
>>>
>>
>> Clinton/Reno Short List
>> 1: Waco ( mostly under 12 years old )
>> 2: Mena
>> 3: Sudan
>> 4: Miami
>> 5: Serbia (2000+)
>> 6: Kosovo
>> 7: Afghanistan

What a great list. I like Dorkians reply too. A tit for tat I guess,
not touching the truth which blows away his original comment.
Any president will end up doing things to cost innocent peoples lives.
It's the price for peace. Although, I have another list here that is
quite interesting.

http://www.breakthechain.org/exclusives/bodycount.html

Subject: Just a few people Clinton didn't have to Pardon. James
McDougal - Clinton's convicted Whitewater partner died of an apparent
heart attack, while in solitary confinement. He was a key witness in
Ken Starr's investigation.

Mary Mahoney - A former White House intern was murdered July 1997 at a
Starbucks Coffee Shop in Georgetown. The murder happened just after
she was to go public with her story of sexual harassment in the White
House.

Vince Foster - Former white House councilor, and colleague of Hillary
Clinton at Little Rock's Rose Law firm. Died of a gunshot wound to the
head, ruled a suicide.

Ron Brown - Secretary of Commerce and former DNC Chairman. Reported to
have died by impact in a plane crash. A pathologist close to the
investigation reported that there was a hole in the top of Brown's
skull resembling a gunshot wound. At the time of his death Brown was
being investigated, and spoke publicly of his willingness to cut a
deal with prosecutors.

C. Victor Raiser II - & - Montgomery Raiser, Major players in the
Clinton fund raising organization died in a private plane crash in
July 1992.

Paul Tulley - Democratic National Committee Political Director found
dead in a hotel room in Little Rock, September 1992. Described by
Clinton as a "Dear friend and trusted advisor."

Ed Willey - Clinton fund raiser, found dead November 1993 deep in the
woods in VA of a gunshot wound to the head. Ruled a suicide. Ed Willey
died on the same day his wife Kathleen Willey claimed Bill Clinton
groped her in the oval office in the White House. Ed Willey was
involved in several Clinton fund raising events.

Jerry Parks - Head of Clinton's gubernatorial security team in Little
Rock. Gunned down in his car at a deserted intersection outside Little
Rock. Park's son said his father was building a dossier on Clinton. He
allegedly threatened to reveal this information. After he died the
files were mysteriously removed from his house.

James Bunch - Died from a gunshot suicide. It was reported that he had
a "Black Book" of people which contained names of influential people
who visited prostitutes in Texas and Arkansas.

James Wilson - Was found dead in May 1993 from an apparent hanging
suicide. He was reported to have ties to Whitewater.

Kathy Ferguson, ex-wife of Arkansas Trooper Danny Ferguson, was found
dead in May 1994, in her living room with a gunshot to her head. It
was ruled a suicide even though there were several packed suitcases,
as if she were going somewhere. Danny Ferguson was a co-defendant
along with Bill Clinton in the Paula Jones lawsuit. Kathy Ferguson was
a possible corroborating witness for Paula Jones.

Bill Shelton - Arkansas State Trooper and fiancee of Kathy Ferguson.
Critical of the suicide ruling of his fiancee, he was found dead in
June, 1994 of a gunshot wound also ruled a suicide at the grave site
of his fiancee.

Gandy Baugh - Attorney for Clinton's friend Dan Lassater, died by
jumping out a window of a tall building January, 1994. His client was
a convicted drug distributor.

Florence Martin - Accountant & sub-contractor for the CIA, was related
to the Barry Seal Mena Airport drug smuggling case. He died of three
gunshot wounds.

Suzanne Coleman - Reportedly had an affair with Clinton when he was
Arkansas Attorney General. Died of a gunshot wound to the back of the
head, ruled a suicide. Was pregnant at the time of her death.

Paula Grober - Clinton's speech interpreter for the deaf from 1978
until her death December 9, 1992. She died in a one car accident.

Danny Casolaro - Investigative reporter. Investigating Mena Airport
and Arkansas Development Finance Authority. He slit his wrists,
apparently, in the middle of his investigation.

Paul Wilcher - Attorney investigating corruption at Mena Airport with
Casolaro and the 1980 "October Surprise" was found dead on a toilet
June 22, 1993 in his Washington DC apartment. Had delivered a report
to Janet Reno 3 weeks before his death.

Jon Parnell Walker - Whitewater investigator for Resolution TrustCorp.
Jumped to his death from his Arlington, Virginia apartment balcony
August15, 1993. He was investigating the Morgan Guarantee scandal.

Barbara Wise - Commerce Department staffer. Worked closely with Ron
Brown and John Huang. Cause of death unknown. Died November 29, 1996.
Her bruised, nude body was found locked in her office at the
Department of Commerce.

Charles Meissner - Assistant Secretary of Commerce who gave John Huang
special security clearance, died shortly thereafter in a small plane
crash.

Dr. Stanley Heard - Chairman of the National Chiropractic Health Care
Advisory Committee died with his attorney Steve Dickson in a small
plane crash. Dr. Heard, in addition to serving on Clinton's advisory
council personally treated Clinton's mother, stepfather and brother.

Barry Seal - Drug running pilot out of Mena Arkansas, death was no
accident.

Johnny Lawhorn Jr. - Mechanic, found a check made out to Bill Clinton
in the trunk of a car left at his repair shop. He was found dead after
his car hit a utility pole.

Stanley Huggins - Investigated Madison Guarantee. His death was a
purported suicide and his report was never released.

Hershell Friday - Attorney and Clinton fund raiser died March 1, 1994
when his plane exploded.

Kevin Ives & Don Henry - Known as "The boys on the track" case.
Reports say the boys may have stumbled upon the Mena Arkansas airport
drug operation. A controversial case, the initial report of death
said, due to falling asleep on railroad tracks. Later reports claim
the 2 boys had been slain before being placed on the tracks. Many
linked to the case died before their testimony could come before a
Grand Jury.

THE FOLLOWING PERSONS HAD INFORMATION ON THE IVES/HENRY CASE:
> Keith Coney - Died when his motorcycle slammed into the back of a truck, 7/88.
> Keith McMaskle - Died stabbed 113 times, Nov, 1988.
> Gregory Collins - Died from a gunshot wound January 1989.
> Jeff Rhodes - He was shot, mutilated and found burned in a trash dump in April 1989.
> James Milan - Found decapitated. However, the Coroner ruled his death was due to "natural causes."
> Jordan Kettleson - Was found shot to death in the front seat of his pickup truck in June 1990.
> Richard Winters - A suspect in the Ives / Henry deaths. Hewas killed in a set-up robbery July 1989.

THE FOLLOWING CLINTON BODYGUARDS ARE DEAD:
> Major William S. Barkley Jr.
> Captain Scott J. Reynolds
> Sgt. Brian Hanley
> Sgt. Tim Sabel
> Major General William Robertson
> Col. William Densberger
> Col. Robert Kelly
> Spec. Gary Rhodes
> Steve Willis
> Robert Williams
> Conway LeBleu
> Todd McKeehan

Quite an impressive list! Pass this on. Let the public become aware of
what happens to friends of the Clinton's!


Denise, Brian & Wyatt (May 31, 02)

How much Healthy Choice ice cream can I eat before it's no longer a healthy choice?

"Denise~*" > wrote in message
...
>
> http://www.breakthechain.org/exclusives/bodycount.html
>
> Subject: Just a few people Clinton didn't have to Pardon. James
> McDougal - Clinton's convicted Whitewater partner died of an apparent
> heart attack, while in solitary confinement. He was a key witness in
> Ken Starr's investigation.

<snippage>

Yeahbut, you 'forgot' to post this, from the very link you did post:

This list, also known as the "Clinton Body Count," is posted on several
anti-Clinton sites. Conspiracy theorists and reputable press members alike
have explored the possibility that these deaths are not merely coincidence
and that these people may have been killed for what they knew. At the height
of this chain's popularity, I traced it to etherzone.com, a site that called
itself "THE INTELLIGENT ALTERNATIVE NEWS AND OPINION SOURCE." The site has
since shut down.

But, body counts supposedly linked the former President date back to 1993
and a list started by Linda Thompson, the leader of a for-profit
conservative advocacy group that supports pro-gun causes and a variety of
conspiracy theories. It gained notoriety when former Rep. William Dannemeyer
sent the list in a letter to other congressmen.

Not surprisingly for a list designed as anti-Clinton propaganda, the e-mail
only provides sufficient details about each case to support the conspiracy
theory. I looked into some of the details, like Jim McDougal and Mary
Mahoney, and found both objective reports of the cases and conspiracy-laden
"investigations." Few of the claims in the e-mail can be proven true or
false because they rely too heavily on conjecture and inference.

Could their deaths actually have been be mob-style hits to hide the truth
about Clinton Scandals? It's possible, but not proveable. It is equally
probable that they were all just unfortunate coincidences. But, if I ever
get to meet Clinton, I'll be sure to kiss his pinky ring, just to be safe.
Break this Chain!


You posted some email chain letter from an Anti-Clinton site as proof. Duh

Jack Doofus

"Jack Schidt®" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Denise~*" > wrote in message
> ...
> >
> > http://www.breakthechain.org/exclusives/bodycount.html
> >
> > Subject: Just a few people Clinton didn't have to Pardon. James
> > McDougal - Clinton's convicted Whitewater partner died of an apparent
> > heart attack, while in solitary confinement. He was a key witness in
> > Ken Starr's investigation.
>
> <snippage>
>
> Yeahbut, you 'forgot' to post this, from the very link you did post:
>
> This list, also known as the "Clinton Body Count," is posted on several
> anti-Clinton sites. Conspiracy theorists and reputable press members alike
> have explored the possibility that these deaths are not merely coincidence
> and that these people may have been killed for what they knew. At the
height
> of this chain's popularity, I traced it to etherzone.com, a site that
called
> itself "THE INTELLIGENT ALTERNATIVE NEWS AND OPINION SOURCE." The site has
> since shut down.
>
> But, body counts supposedly linked the former President date back to 1993
> and a list started by Linda Thompson, the leader of a for-profit
> conservative advocacy group that supports pro-gun causes and a variety of
> conspiracy theories. It gained notoriety when former Rep. William
Dannemeyer
> sent the list in a letter to other congressmen.
>
> Not surprisingly for a list designed as anti-Clinton propaganda, the
e-mail
> only provides sufficient details about each case to support the conspiracy
> theory. I looked into some of the details, like Jim McDougal and Mary
> Mahoney, and found both objective reports of the cases and
conspiracy-laden
> "investigations." Few of the claims in the e-mail can be proven true or
> false because they rely too heavily on conjecture and inference.
>
> Could their deaths actually have been be mob-style hits to hide the truth
> about Clinton Scandals? It's possible, but not proveable. It is equally
> probable that they were all just unfortunate coincidences. But, if I ever
> get to meet Clinton, I'll be sure to kiss his pinky ring, just to be safe.
> Break this Chain!
>
>
> You posted some email chain letter from an Anti-Clinton site as proof.
Duh

There is a group of people who think that George H W Bush was involved in
the assisination of JFK. There are always conspiracy theorist and people
who believe them.

"Vox Humana" > wrote in message
...
> There is a group of people who think that George H W Bush was involved in
> the assisination of JFK. There are always conspiracy theorist and people
> who believe them.
>
>

Therefore a job piloting a black helicopter is a secure position.

Jack Loony

On Fri, 11 Jun 2004 13:00:52 GMT, "Jack Schidt®"
> wrote:

>Yeahbut, you 'forgot' to post this, from the very link you did post:

I suppose, I left the link though. I wasn't hiding it. It's just
somebodys commentary. Although I like his last comment.

<snip>

>>But, if I ever get to meet Clinton, I'll be sure to kiss his pinky ring,


Denise, Brian & Wyatt (May 31, 02)

How much Healthy Choice ice cream can I eat before it's no longer a healthy choice?

Kswck > wrote:

> "Dolkian" > wrote in message
> ...
>> President Carter and President Clinton. Two of the greatest
>> presidents who have ever lived.
>> If you like this new social planning such as removing Medicare,
>> removing veterans benefits and inflation you will adore the next four
> years.
>>

> Jimmy Carter was interviewed on 60 minutes a few years ago and he was asked
> if he considered his presidency a failure. He responded 'YES'. He left
> office w/hostages in Iran and a 20% inflation rate.

> So tell me again how great he was again?

I don't claim that Jimmy Carter was a great president. In fact, I agree
that he was a terrible president, but the reason Carter lost to Reagan is
that Carter was too honest, and Iran had something to do with it too.

In fact, I send letters to most presidents, since and including Reagan. By
far the most critical letters I have ever sent to any president is Carter.
And I am a democrat.

Now, in retirement, Carter stands head and shoulders above every other
ex-president this century and last in terms of the work he's done for
so many charities such as Habitat for Humanity. If it wasn't for Carter, I
doubt most people would even know what Habitat for Humanity does.

Blair P. Houghton > wrote:

> And remember it was Carter who sent us into Afghanistan, thus
> bankrupting the Soviet Union.

Carter also deserves a lot of credit for taking another stab at the Soviet
Union through the grain embargo that he launched against them. Without a
steady source of grain, he caused many millions of Soviets into waiting
hours in line to buy baked goods, and that helped foment a lot of internal
disatisfaction among the Soviet citizenry and he did this, despite very
heavy pressure from the agricultural belt.

Carter also did something against the Soviets that I truly detest. He
turned the Olympics into a political charade by boycotting the Olympics in
protest of the Soviet Union's invasion of Afghanistan. Than again, since
the Olympics has become so commercialized, I have completely lost interest
in it anyway.

Kswck > wrote:

> Yup, guess THAT makes him great.

Reagan also was willing to admit his mistakes, at least some of them.
Bush refuses to even acknowledge that he made mistakes, which is another
example of how arrogant Bush II truly is, since no president performs
the job flawlessly and each persident's mistakes should be made clear
so that future generations can learn not to repeat those mistakes.

stark > wrote:

> It was the country that was lousy during Carter's presidency. As a
> nation we seem to alternate between lousy and stupid. We were both
> during Clinton's two terms.

Nah! Carter was simply an ineffective president. Clinton was probably
the most brilliant president we've ever had. After all, look how many
Republicans ended up leaving congress during Clinton's administration.
Clinton made some monumentally stupid mistakes such as having that
affair with "Miss Lewinski" but in some very important ways, Clinton
was a shrewd as they come.

Denise~* > wrote:
> On Sat, 05 Jun 2004 20:03:54 -0700, Dolkian > wrote:

>>The greatest American president was and is President William
>>Jefferson Clinton. Nothing he ever did in the Whitehouse killed
>>innocent people.

> Do you really think '911' was thought up, plotted & planned in the
> first few months of Bushes presidency?

So far, I have seen no proof one way or the other how long
it took to plan the 9/11 attacks.

> Clinton did not do anything to keep something like that from
> happening.

Wrong. It is widely known that a major terrorist attack was planned
for the millenium celebration. Under Clinton's administration, that
attack never took place. Also, all of the people involved with the
Oklohoma City and World Trade Center bombings were apprehended,
prosecuted, and convicted under Clinton's watch and all the defendants
had full due process, not some trial in some military court.

> As a whole his presidency sucked and he did nothing to protect the
> USA. By the end of his term, most of the military was depleted and
> the USA was practically an open invitation for terrorists.

Facts say otherwise. What did the Republicans in congress do when
Clinton requested more funding for counter-terrorism? They laughed
and said it was more important to impeach Clinton than to go
after bin Laden.

> Do you really want something like that to occur again?
> Maybe in your home town?

You mean, freedom, prosperity, reduced size of government,
shriking federal deficit, record employment rate, low inflation,
and record low crime rates? Yeh! Sure. I want that to happen
again. That's a no-brainer.

> I don't. The way I see it, we have to sacrifice a little to keep
> peace in our neck of the woods and keep the evil people out.

Then do not vote for Bush. Bush has done next to nothing to
prevent another 9/11 attack and while he was out telling adults
how they can love each other, his buddy in Pakistan was selling
nuclear weapons materials to North Koreans and anyone else
with deep enough pockets.

> Lastly, the Democratic party loves to take as much money as they can
> and spread it around like kindergartners sharing a package of cookies.

Really? Facts say otherwise. Which party is in control now of the
executive and legislative branches? Where is our deficit going? Up.

In article >, > wrote:

> stark > wrote:
>
> > It was the country that was lousy during Carter's presidency. As a
> > nation we seem to alternate between lousy and stupid. We were both
> > during Clinton's two terms.
>
> Nah! Carter was simply an ineffective president. Clinton was probably
> the most brilliant president we've ever had. After all, look how many
> Republicans ended up leaving congress during Clinton's administration.
> Clinton made some monumentally stupid mistakes such as having that
> affair with "Miss Lewinski" but in some very important ways, Clinton
> was a shrewd as they come.
>

What makes a "great" President? Is it policy or charisma? Got to be
the latter since the two leading contenders in modern times are one: a
lovable old dolt and two: a lothario. I agree that the lothario was
brilliant, but his eight years were probably the most divisive,
contentious and downright nasty of any presidency. And most of it had
nothing to do with policy.