Hello,

Does anyone remember what type of older style natural gas grill was
the "generic" standard of natural gas grills, with just a post in the
ground about 15 years ago? I thought that there was one company that
made most of them...

Thanks...

"Tim" > wrote:
> Does anyone remember what type of older style natural gas grill was
> the "generic" standard of natural gas grills, with just a post in the
> ground about 15 years ago? I thought that there was one company that
> made most of them...

If you are actually talking about gas grilles older than that, Charmglow was
more or less the standard back in the 1960s and 70s for these. Gas grilles
were relatively rare back then, most everyone was using charcoal. I don't
know how long Charmglow remained dominant in the market.

>> Does anyone remember what type of older style natural gas grill was
>> the "generic" standard of natural gas grills, with just a post in the
>> ground about 15 years ago?
---------------------------------
Just curious. Where does the gas come from? Here at our condominium the gas
comes up from the ground, through the pipe--requiring quite some installation
work. Perhaps there is another type that has a changeable small gas tank
attached underneath the grill.

"Nancree" > wrote in message
...
> >> Does anyone remember what type of older style natural gas grill was
> >> the "generic" standard of natural gas grills, with just a post in the
> >> ground about 15 years ago?
> ---------------------------------
> Just curious. Where does the gas come from? Here at our condominium the
gas
> comes up from the ground, through the pipe--requiring quite some
installation
> work. Perhaps there is another type that has a changeable small gas tank
> attached underneath the grill.
>

When I was a teenager my aunt and uncle moved into a new house with one of
those built-in grills in their back yard, and yes - the gas was plumbed into
it through pipes in the ground. We thought it was the neatest thing, but
you sure had to be certain it was installed where you'd always want it to
be.

In article >,
(Tim) wrote:

> Hello,
>
> Does anyone remember what type of older style natural gas grill was
> the "generic" standard of natural gas grills, with just a post in the
> ground about 15 years ago? I thought that there was one company that
> made most of them...
>
> Thanks...

Ours was Charmglow.
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-Barb, <www.jamlady.eboard.com> updated 2-19-04 -- Dufus picture posted!

In article >,
(Nancree) wrote:

> >> Does anyone remember what type of older style natural gas grill was
> >> the "generic" standard of natural gas grills, with just a post in the
> >> ground about 15 years ago?
> ---------------------------------
> Just curious. Where does the gas come from? Here at our condominium the
> gas
> comes up from the ground, through the pipe--requiring quite some
> installation
> work. Perhaps there is another type that has a changeable small gas tank
> attached underneath the grill.
>

We've had both types -- a tap from the gas line, and a refillable
propane tank that attaches to the grill. The former is stationary, the
latter is portable.
--
-Barb, <www.jamlady.eboard.com> updated 2-19-04 -- Dufus picture posted!

>(Nancree) writes
>
>>> Does anyone remember what type of older style natural gas grill was
>>> the "generic" standard of natural gas grills, with just a post in the
>>> ground about 15 years ago?
>---------------------------------
>Just curious. Where does the gas come from? Here at our condominium the gas
>comes up from the ground, through the pipe--requiring quite some installation
>work.

You're lucky to have natural gas at a condo complex, most municipal fire codes
throuhgout the US no longer permit natural gas installed in multiple dwelling
complexes... in fact many don't permit portable propane tanks.

If there is natural gas present at a residence it's no biggie to run an
underground line out to the back yard... I had that at my last house, in fact I
ran that line underground myself at the time I had the gas company swap my old
oil heating system to natural gas; I asked if while they were running the gas
line they'd add a line for my grill and so since the main was passing where I
wanted my grill they put in a tee and ran a line through a hole they drilled in
the foundation, installed a shut-off valve and capped the line. A few weeks
later I dug a 30" deep trench and continued the gas line to the edge of where
my new paver block patio would soon be located... a few local plumbers quoted
me $500-$600 to continue that line from the cap, a 20' run, I did it myself in
under an hour with $34 worth of 3/4" galvanized pipe, fittings, and pipe dope
from Home Depot. I was willing to pay say $200 but the prices those plumbers
quoted were ridiculous. The trench was easy to dig as that entire area had
been excavated 5' deep with a backhoe about a month before when the old cement
patio was removed and I had a new waste line installed because I didn't trust
that 40 year old orangeburg pipe under my new patio, just my luck as soon as
the patio was down that pipe would collapse. One plumber arrived in a new
Lincoln Continental, in a dark business suit, toting an attache case (musta
been a plumbing clown, and I don't even think he was Italian)... he wasted over
a half hour examining and measuring the site before he'd give me his outrageous
*estimate* (not a firm price), another half hour with calculator and writing up
a proposal... had he arrived prepared to work he could have completed the job
within the time he spent attempting to fast talk me... now I remember, he
wasn't Itralian, he was Puerto Rican... same difference. hehe

Tthe house I live in now had oil heat but when I moved in one of the first
things I did was have the boiler retrofitted to propane, had a 500 gallon tank
installed outside, hidden in a pine grove and plumbed underground to the
house... ran a line for my kitchen stove and one out to the deck for my Weber
too, both of which were converted from natural gas with inexpensive kits I had
ordered previously, no biggie.

Throughout NYC most every street has natural gas... in the guinea neighborhoods
most all the dagos have an old beat to heck natural gas kitchen stove outdoors
at the rear of their house (usually under a screened in elevated porch, that's
a guido dining room btw), the WOPs do most of their cooking outdoors because
the crapola those guidos cook stinks so badly (you'd know if ever you fried
squid with a head of garlic). You always know when you're entering an Eyetalian
neighborhood, aside from the friggin' stench most every other car is dark
green... how many people you know drive green cars... of course the rest are
black stretches, and lots of gaudily painted tow trucks... hey, the tow truck
is the dago version of an SUV! <G>

Ahahahahaha. . . . .



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> "L Beck" writes:
>
>"Nancree" wrote:
>> >> Does anyone remember what type of older style natural gas grill was
>> >> the "generic" standard of natural gas grills, with just a post in the
>> >> ground about 15 years ago?
>> ---------------------------------
>> Just curious. Where does the gas come from? Here at our condominium the
>gas
>> comes up from the ground, through the pipe--requiring quite some
>installation
>> work. Perhaps there is another type that has a changeable small gas tank
>> attached underneath the grill.
>>
>
>When I was a teenager my aunt and uncle moved into a new house with one of
>those built-in grills in their back yard, and yes - the gas was plumbed into
>it through pipes in the ground. We thought it was the neatest thing,
>
>but you sure had to be certain it was installed where you'd always want it to
>be.

Why?


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>Melba's Jammin' wrote:
>
(Nancree) wrote:
>
>> >> Does anyone remember what type of older style natural gas grill was
>> >> the "generic" standard of natural gas grills, with just a post in the
>> >> ground about 15 years ago?
>> ---------------------------------
>> Just curious. Where does the gas come from? Here at our condominium the
>> gas
>> comes up from the ground, through the pipe--requiring quite some
>> installation
>> work. Perhaps there is another type that has a changeable small gas tank
>> attached underneath the grill.
>>
>
>We've had both types -- a tap from the gas line, and a refillable
>propane tank that attaches to the grill. The former is stationary, the
>latter is portable.

Previously I had my Weber connected to natural gas, and now to bulk propane...
but the grill is equiped with a 15' quick disconnect hose... I think that's
portable.


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"PENMART01" > wrote in message
...
> >(Nancree) writes
> >
> >>> Does anyone remember what type of older style natural gas grill was
> >>> the "generic" standard of natural gas grills, with just a post in the
> >>> ground about 15 years ago?
> >---------------------------------
> >Just curious. Where does the gas come from? Here at our condominium the
gas
> >comes up from the ground, through the pipe--requiring quite some
installation
> >work.
>
> You're lucky to have natural gas at a condo complex, most municipal fire
codes
> throuhgout the US no longer permit natural gas installed in multiple
dwelling
> complexes...

Check your references. The specific reference document that is almost always
incorporated into building/fire codes is NFPA 54 - National Fuel Gas Code.
The current edition is 2002 with the next version scheduled in 2005. I am
not aware of any prohibition of natural gas in multiple dwellings except
perhaps on a limited local basis...

"Melba's Jammin'" > wrote in message
...
> In article >,
> (Tim) wrote:
>
> > Hello,
> >
> > Does anyone remember what type of older style natural gas grill was
> > the "generic" standard of natural gas grills, with just a post in the
> > ground about 15 years ago? I thought that there was one company that
> > made most of them...
> >
> > Thanks...
>
> Ours was Charmglow.
> --
> -Barb, <www.jamlady.eboard.com> updated 2-19-04 -- Dufus picture posted!

So IS ours a Charmglow, from the late 1960's. And it still works. We don't
use it often because I got me a cermaic cooker for my last BIG birthday.

- munged addie coward spews:
>
>"PENMART01" wrote:
>> >(Nancree) writes
>> >
>> >>> Does anyone remember what type of older style natural gas grill was
>> >>> the "generic" standard of natural gas grills, with just a post in the
>> >>> ground about 15 years ago?
>> >---------------------------------
>> >Just curious. Where does the gas come from? Here at our condominium the
>gas
>> >comes up from the ground, through the pipe--requiring quite some
>installation
>> >work.
>>
>> You're lucky to have natural gas at a condo complex, most municipal fire
>codes
>> throuhgout the US no longer permit natural gas installed in multiple
>dwelling
>> complexes...
>
>Check your references. The specific reference document that is almost always
>incorporated into building/fire codes is NFPA 54 - National Fuel Gas Code.
>The current edition is 2002 with the next version scheduled in 2005. I am
>not aware of any prohibition of natural gas in multiple dwellings except
>perhaps on a limited local basis...

Yes, but that only applies where usage is permitted and actually used.

NFPA has to do with *National* (not Municipal) installation, handling, and
safety codes when fuel is used... has nothing to do with Municipal laws
regarding permits regarding use prohibitions... how can one regulate proper use
of what is not permited? duh




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"PENMART01" > wrote in message
...
>
> Yes, but that only applies where usage is permitted and actually used.


Always willing to learn something. I am not aware of any jurisdictions that
prohibit natural gas in multi-family dwellings. That is what really caught
my eye. Can you bring me up to date on those areas?


>
> NFPA has to do with *National* (not Municipal) installation, handling, and
> safety codes when fuel is used... has nothing to do with Municipal laws
> regarding permits regarding use prohibitions... how can one regulate
proper use
> of what is not permited? duh
>
The NFPA only writes codes but has no authority. The National Gas Code is
written by them and the AGA (American Gas Association). Most areas do not
have the expertise to write their own codes and there has been a big move
for standardization in recent times so most areas simply adopt the National
Gas Code as the legally enforcable set of rules (building & fire codes) for
fuel gas in the same fashion as they adopt the National Electrical Code as
the set of rules for electricity in their jurisdiction.

"Tim" > wrote in message
om...
> Hello,
>
> Does anyone remember what type of older style natural gas grill was
> the "generic" standard of natural gas grills, with just a post in the
> ground about 15 years ago? I thought that there was one company that
> made most of them...
>
> Thanks...

A very popular brand many years ago was TURCO.

IIRC the lid had the letters molded in.

Parts are still available.

http://www.appliancefactoryparts.com.../brands/turco/

Dimitri

"wff_ng_6" > wrote in
:

> "Tim" > wrote:
>> Does anyone remember what type of older style natural gas grill
>> was
>> the "generic" standard of natural gas grills, with just a post in the
>> ground about 15 years ago? I thought that there was one company that
>> made most of them...
>
> If you are actually talking about gas grilles older than that,
> Charmglow was more or less the standard back in the 1960s and 70s for
> these. Gas grilles were relatively rare back then, most everyone was
> using charcoal. I don't know how long Charmglow remained dominant in
> the market.
>
>

Ours was a Charmglos, installed back in 1968. It was used constantly and
was replaced with the same model about ten eyars later. The gas was
plumbed underground and came up through the post.

When we later moved into a new house, the gas company recommended a
flexible hose connecting the gas to an outlet on the sidewall of the
house. We bought a Ducane and hated it. After one season, we replaced
it with another Charmglow.

I believe they were made by Warm Morning, the folks who used to make
incinerators.

Wayne

In article >, "SCUBApix"
> wrote:

> "Melba's Jammin'" > wrote in message
> > Ours was Charmglow.
>
> So IS ours a Charmglow, from the late 1960's. And it still works. We don't
> use it often because I got me a cermaic cooker for my last BIG birthday.


Excellent!!
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Nancree wrote:

>
> Just curious. Where does the gas come from? Here at our condominium the gas
> comes up from the ground, through the pipe--requiring quite some installation
> work. Perhaps there is another type that has a changeable small gas tank
> attached underneath the grill.

They are two different types of gas. The portable tanks are propane. The stuff
that comes through a pipe in the pipe is natural gas. It is hooked up to your
main feed line if you have natural gas furnace, hot water, dryer or stove.