On Sunday, May 30, 2021 at 10:24:45 AM UTC-4, bruce bowser wrote:
> On Saturday, May 29, 2021 at 10:00:01 PM UTC-4, Quinn C wrote in alt.usage.english:
> > * charles:
> > > In article >,
> > > Pamela > wrote:
> > >> On 15:07 28 May 2021, Quinn C said:
> > >
> > >>> "Champagne" is just one of many subgroups of sparkling wine. If you
> > >>> insist on distinguish it, you shouldn't conflate Sekt and Cava,
> > >>> either. But those don't have the same level of branding power behind
> > >>> them.
> > >
> > >> Champagne is a sparkling white wine from Champagne. It could hardly be
> > >> simpler.
> > >
> > > naturally sparkling, not with added sparkle.
> > I haven't heard of wine with added sparkle. Sekt, Cava, Prosecco, Asti,
> > Crémant
>
> and Pét-Nat ?

Also spelled Pet Matt, I think.

On Sun, 30 May 2021 07:27:44 -0700 (PDT), bruce bowser
> wrote:

>On Sunday, May 30, 2021 at 10:24:45 AM UTC-4, bruce bowser wrote:
>> On Saturday, May 29, 2021 at 10:00:01 PM UTC-4, Quinn C wrote in alt.usage.english:
>> > * charles:
>> > > In article >,
>> > > Pamela > wrote:
>> > >> On 15:07 28 May 2021, Quinn C said:
>> > >
>> > >>> "Champagne" is just one of many subgroups of sparkling wine. If you
>> > >>> insist on distinguish it, you shouldn't conflate Sekt and Cava,
>> > >>> either. But those don't have the same level of branding power behind
>> > >>> them.
>> > >
>> > >> Champagne is a sparkling white wine from Champagne. It could hardly be
>> > >> simpler.
>> > >
>> > > naturally sparkling, not with added sparkle.
>> > I haven't heard of wine with added sparkle. Sekt, Cava, Prosecco, Asti,
>> > Crémant
>>
>> and Pét-Nat ?
>
>Also spelled Pet Matt, I think.
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On Sun, 30 May 2021 07:24:41 -0700 (PDT), bruce bowser
> wrote:

>On Saturday, May 29, 2021 at 10:00:01 PM UTC-4, Quinn C wrote in alt.usage.english:
>> * charles:
>> > In article >,
>> > Pamela > wrote:
>> >> On 15:07 28 May 2021, Quinn C said:
>> >
>> >>> "Champagne" is just one of many subgroups of sparkling wine. If you
>> >>> insist on distinguish it, you shouldn't conflate Sekt and Cava,
>> >>> either. But those don't have the same level of branding power behind
>> >>> them.
>> >
>> >> Champagne is a sparkling white wine from Champagne. It could hardly be
>> >> simpler.
>> >
>> > naturally sparkling, not with added sparkle.
>> I haven't heard of wine with added sparkle. Sekt, Cava, Prosecco, Asti,
>> Crémant
>
>and Pét-Nat ?
>
>> all have natural sparkle, and most of them are actually produced with
>> the méthode champenoise. So are many American sparkling wines.
>>
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>> gender is so desperate, urgent, imperative, that ... it should long
>> since have grown on our speech -- The Atlantic Monthly (1878)
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On Monday, May 31, 2021 at 5:17:21 AM UTC-4, J. J. Lodder wrote:
> charles > wrote:
>
> > In article >,
> > Peter Moylan > wrote:
> > > On 31/05/21 07:40, Quinn C wrote:
> >
> > > > And yet we're not joking when we call both red and white varieties
> > > > "wine". If those had different names to start with, I'd agree.
> >
> > > The slang term "plonk" comes from French "vin blanc", but I've most
> > > often heard it in reference to cheap red wine.
> >
> > no, that's "kangarouge"
>
> Only Brits are poor enough, I think, to have
> bad Australian wine shipped halfway round the globe.

Heard of California? Even New York?

On Mon, 31 May 2021 06:59:44 -0700 (PDT), bruce bowser
> wrote:

>On Monday, May 31, 2021 at 5:17:21 AM UTC-4, J. J. Lodder wrote:
>> charles > wrote:
>>
>> > In article >,
>> > Peter Moylan > wrote:
>> > > On 31/05/21 07:40, Quinn C wrote:
>> >
>> > > > And yet we're not joking when we call both red and white varieties
>> > > > "wine". If those had different names to start with, I'd agree.
>> >
>> > > The slang term "plonk" comes from French "vin blanc", but I've most
>> > > often heard it in reference to cheap red wine.
>> >
>> > no, that's "kangarouge"
>>
>> Only Brits are poor enough, I think, to have
>> bad Australian wine shipped halfway round the globe.
>
>Heard of California? Even New York?
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On Mon, 31 May 2021 06:59:44 -0700 (PDT), bruce bowser
> wrote:

>On Monday, May 31, 2021 at 5:17:21 AM UTC-4, J. J. Lodder wrote:
>> charles > wrote:
>>
>> > In article >,
>> > Peter Moylan > wrote:
>> > > On 31/05/21 07:40, Quinn C wrote:
>> >
>> > > > And yet we're not joking when we call both red and white varieties
>> > > > "wine". If those had different names to start with, I'd agree.
>> >
>> > > The slang term "plonk" comes from French "vin blanc", but I've most
>> > > often heard it in reference to cheap red wine.
>> >
>> > no, that's "kangarouge"
>>
>> Only Brits are poor enough, I think, to have
>> bad Australian wine shipped halfway round the globe.
>
>Heard of California? Even New York?
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On Wednesday, June 2, 2021 at 4:08:27 PM UTC-4, Lewis wrote in alt.usage.english:
> In message > Tak To > wrote:
> > On 5/31/2021 9:57 AM, bruce bowser wrote:
> >> On Monday, May 31, 2021 at 5:17:21 AM UTC-4, J. J. Lodder wrote:
> >>> charles > wrote:
> >>>> In article >,
> >>>> Peter Moylan > wrote:
> >>>>> On 31/05/21 07:40, Quinn C wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>>> And yet we're not joking when we call both red and white varieties
> >>>>>> "wine". If those had different names to start with, I'd agree.
> >>>>
> >>>>> The slang term "plonk" comes from French "vin blanc", but I've most
> >>>>> often heard it in reference to cheap red wine.
> >>>>
> >>>> no, that's "kangarouge"
> >>>
> >>> Only Brits are poor enough, I think, to have
> >>> bad Australian wine shipped halfway round the globe.
> >>
> >> Heard of California? Even New York?
>
> > FWIW,
>
> > a friend of mine has opened up a small boutique wine shop in
> > Hong Kong after his retirement. According to him, the Brits
> > have the logistics in place to ship small quantities of wine
> > (10-20 cases, I think) all over the world. Note that wine
> > needs to be in special shipping containers to make sure the
> > temperature is kept within a certain range. Similar shipping
> > services have yet to exist in the US. As a result, he can
> > import wine from the US only by air freight and only in the
> > cool seasons (IIRC).
> The US has multiple jurisdictions with multiple laws and restrictions on
> selling and transporting liquor, so the infrastructure for shipping
> alcohol basically does not exist. This is very slowly changing, but it
> is very slow.

Or if the infrastructure does exist, management has more of a control over it than unions or a government jurisdiction.

On Wednesday, June 2, 2021 at 4:28:07 PM UTC-4, bruce bowser wrote:
> On Wednesday, June 2, 2021 at 4:08:27 PM UTC-4, Lewis wrote in alt.usage.english:
> > In message > Tak To > wrote:
> > > On 5/31/2021 9:57 AM, bruce bowser wrote:
> > >> On Monday, May 31, 2021 at 5:17:21 AM UTC-4, J. J. Lodder wrote:
> > >>> charles > wrote:
> > >>>> In article >,
> > >>>> Peter Moylan > wrote:
> > >>>>> On 31/05/21 07:40, Quinn C wrote:
> > >>>>
> > >>>>>> And yet we're not joking when we call both red and white varieties
> > >>>>>> "wine". If those had different names to start with, I'd agree.
> > >>>>
> > >>>>> The slang term "plonk" comes from French "vin blanc", but I've most
> > >>>>> often heard it in reference to cheap red wine.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> no, that's "kangarouge"
> > >>>
> > >>> Only Brits are poor enough, I think, to have
> > >>> bad Australian wine shipped halfway round the globe.
> > >>
> > >> Heard of California? Even New York?
> >
> > > FWIW,
> >
> > > a friend of mine has opened up a small boutique wine shop in
> > > Hong Kong after his retirement. According to him, the Brits
> > > have the logistics in place to ship small quantities of wine
> > > (10-20 cases, I think) all over the world. Note that wine
> > > needs to be in special shipping containers to make sure the
> > > temperature is kept within a certain range. Similar shipping
> > > services have yet to exist in the US. As a result, he can
> > > import wine from the US only by air freight and only in the
> > > cool seasons (IIRC).
> > The US has multiple jurisdictions with multiple laws and restrictions on
> > selling and transporting liquor, so the infrastructure for shipping
> > alcohol basically does not exist. This is very slowly changing, but it
> > is very slow.
>
> Or if the infrastructure does exist, management has more of a control over it than unions or a government jurisdiction.

That's the main goal of any company. To prevent workers and the governments from disrupting the company's plans.

On Saturday, June 5, 2021 at 2:22:44 AM UTC-4, wrote in alt.usage.english:
> On Thursday, June 3, 2021 at 7:10:50 AM UTC-7, Quinn C wrote:
> > * :
> > > On Wednesday, June 2, 2021 at 1:25:26 PM UTC-7, bruce bowser wrote:
> > >> On Wednesday, June 2, 2021 at 4:08:27 PM UTC-4, Lewis wrote:
> > >>> In message > Tak To > wrote:
> > >>> > On 5/31/2021 9:57 AM, bruce bowser wrote:
> > >>> >> On Monday, May 31, 2021 at 5:17:21 AM UTC-4, J. J. Lodder wrote:
> > >>> >>> charles > wrote:
> > >>> >>>
> > >>> >>>> In article >,
> > >>> >>>> Peter Moylan > wrote:
> > >>> >>>>> On 31/05/21 07:40, Quinn C wrote:
> > >>> >>>>
> > >>> >>>>>> And yet we're not joking when we call both red and white varieties
> > >>> >>>>>> "wine". If those had different names to start with, I'd agree.
> > >>> >>>>
> > >>> >>>>> The slang term "plonk" comes from French "vin blanc", but I've most
> > >>> >>>>> often heard it in reference to cheap red wine.
> > >>> >>>>
> > >>> >>>> no, that's "kangarouge"
> > >>> >>>
> > >>> >>> Only Brits are poor enough, I think, to have
> > >>> >>> bad Australian wine shipped halfway round the globe.
> > >>> >>
> > >>> >> Heard of California? Even New York?
> > >>>
> > >>> > FWIW,
> > >>>
> > >>> > a friend of mine has opened up a small boutique wine shop in
> > >>> > Hong Kong after his retirement. According to him, the Brits
> > >>> > have the logistics in place to ship small quantities of wine
> > >>> > (10-20 cases, I think) all over the world. Note that wine
> > >>> > needs to be in special shipping containers to make sure the
> > >>> > temperature is kept within a certain range. Similar shipping
> > >>> > services have yet to exist in the US. As a result, he can
> > >>> > import wine from the US only by air freight and only in the
> > >>> > cool seasons (IIRC).
> > >>> The US has multiple jurisdictions with multiple laws and restrictions on
> > >>> selling and transporting liquor, so the infrastructure for shipping
> > >>> alcohol basically does not exist. This is very slowly changing, but it
> > >>> is very slow.
> > >> Or if the infrastructure does exist, management has more of a control over it than unions or a government jurisdiction.
> > >
> > > Depends what you mean by management. Here in Canada, liquor sales are a provincial jurisdiction,
> > > which is to say they are regulated by provincial governments, with a few exceptions. Most liquor
> > > stores are government-owned and operated, and their employees are mostly unionized. Between
> > > government regulations and strong union contracts, management has lots of rules to follow but not
> > > much control over what can and can't be done.
>
> > Right, but those government organizations aren't going to deal with
> > orders of 10-20 cases, which puts limits on their selection. There are
> > specialists dealing in "private imports" in this province (who know how
> > to clear the imports with the monopoly and pay taxes.)
> >
> Yes, and that is how those government organizations *do* deal with orders
> of 10 or 20 cases. They make rules for how such orders are to be dealt with,
> and the specialists who know how to process such orders will process your
> order, for a reasonable fee.

Fees like what they charge in Monaco or on the island of Kauai in Hawai'i? Is that reasonable?

On Sat, 5 Jun 2021 15:05:10 -0700 (PDT), bruce bowser
> wrote:

>On Saturday, June 5, 2021 at 2:22:44 AM UTC-4, wrote in alt.usage.english:
>> On Thursday, June 3, 2021 at 7:10:50 AM UTC-7, Quinn C wrote:
>> > * :
>> > > On Wednesday, June 2, 2021 at 1:25:26 PM UTC-7, bruce bowser wrote:
>> > >> On Wednesday, June 2, 2021 at 4:08:27 PM UTC-4, Lewis wrote:
>> > >>> In message > Tak To > wrote:
>> > >>> > On 5/31/2021 9:57 AM, bruce bowser wrote:
>> > >>> >> On Monday, May 31, 2021 at 5:17:21 AM UTC-4, J. J. Lodder wrote:
>> > >>> >>> charles > wrote:
>> > >>> >>>
>> > >>> >>>> In article >,
>> > >>> >>>> Peter Moylan > wrote:
>> > >>> >>>>> On 31/05/21 07:40, Quinn C wrote:
>> > >>> >>>>
>> > >>> >>>>>> And yet we're not joking when we call both red and white varieties
>> > >>> >>>>>> "wine". If those had different names to start with, I'd agree.
>> > >>> >>>>
>> > >>> >>>>> The slang term "plonk" comes from French "vin blanc", but I've most
>> > >>> >>>>> often heard it in reference to cheap red wine.
>> > >>> >>>>
>> > >>> >>>> no, that's "kangarouge"
>> > >>> >>>
>> > >>> >>> Only Brits are poor enough, I think, to have
>> > >>> >>> bad Australian wine shipped halfway round the globe.
>> > >>> >>
>> > >>> >> Heard of California? Even New York?
>> > >>>
>> > >>> > FWIW,
>> > >>>
>> > >>> > a friend of mine has opened up a small boutique wine shop in
>> > >>> > Hong Kong after his retirement. According to him, the Brits
>> > >>> > have the logistics in place to ship small quantities of wine
>> > >>> > (10-20 cases, I think) all over the world. Note that wine
>> > >>> > needs to be in special shipping containers to make sure the
>> > >>> > temperature is kept within a certain range. Similar shipping
>> > >>> > services have yet to exist in the US. As a result, he can
>> > >>> > import wine from the US only by air freight and only in the
>> > >>> > cool seasons (IIRC).
>> > >>> The US has multiple jurisdictions with multiple laws and restrictions on
>> > >>> selling and transporting liquor, so the infrastructure for shipping
>> > >>> alcohol basically does not exist. This is very slowly changing, but it
>> > >>> is very slow.
>> > >> Or if the infrastructure does exist, management has more of a control over it than unions or a government jurisdiction.
>> > >
>> > > Depends what you mean by management. Here in Canada, liquor sales are a provincial jurisdiction,
>> > > which is to say they are regulated by provincial governments, with a few exceptions. Most liquor
>> > > stores are government-owned and operated, and their employees are mostly unionized. Between
>> > > government regulations and strong union contracts, management has lots of rules to follow but not
>> > > much control over what can and can't be done.
>>
>> > Right, but those government organizations aren't going to deal with
>> > orders of 10-20 cases, which puts limits on their selection. There are
>> > specialists dealing in "private imports" in this province (who know how
>> > to clear the imports with the monopoly and pay taxes.)
>> >
>> Yes, and that is how those government organizations *do* deal with orders
>> of 10 or 20 cases. They make rules for how such orders are to be dealt with,
>> and the specialists who know how to process such orders will process your
>> order, for a reasonable fee.
>
>Fees like what they charge in Monaco or on the island of Kauai in Hawai'i? Is that reasonable?
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