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On Tue, 06 Apr 2021 19:43:23 -0400, Dave Smith wrote:

> Emails? I get 10-15 legitimate emails a day and maybe one spam every
> second day.

> I get 100 or more posts in RFC,

Thanks. I was only interested in how many junk emails one can expect by
putting a valid address in your headers. Maybe I'll create one for usenet
if it's only 1 | 2 a day.

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On 4/6/2021 8:47 PM, jmcquown wrote:
> On 4/5/2021 10:10 AM, Gary wrote:
>> On 4/4/2021 7:53 PM, jmcquown wrote:
>>> On 4/4/2021 7:35 PM, wrote:
>>>> On Sunday, April 4, 2021 at 8:53:41 AM UTC-5, gary wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>> It's a store made crust. Jill can't be bothered to make her own.
>>>>> She's a
>>>>> half-ass cook.
>>>>>
>>>> So are all of mine, whether for a pie or a pot pie; they're all
>>>> store-bought.
>>>> I guess that makes me a half-assed cook, too.
>>>>
>>> Message source info includes >Â* No great
>>> surprise there.Â* When has an aioe troll ever posted about cooking
>>> anything at all?
>>>
>>> Jill
>>
>> Jill, the real me posted that. AIOE is not just for trolls. For me,
>> it's a backup news server which I had to use yesterday.
>>
>>
> Okay.
>
Dumbass.

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On Tuesday, April 6, 2021 at 5:23:06 PM UTC-4, dsi1 wrote:
> On Tuesday, April 6, 2021 at 10:54:12 AM UTC-10, Dave Smith wrote:
> > On 2021-04-06 3:22 p.m., dsi1 wrote:
> > > On Tuesday, April 6, 2021 at 6:29:03 AM UTC-10, wrote:
> >
> > >> Lard does not taste like a pig, at least lard that is rendered properly.
> > >> Hydrogenated fats are terrible for the body, lard has less fat than
> > >> butter and no trans fats.
> > >
> > > That's like saying that meat or vegetables that don't taste like meat or vegetables isn't meat or vegetables. I'm not saying that lard is poison. I'm saying that making a pie from pig is repulsive to me.
> > >
> > That's a damned shame because lard makes great pastry. It is especially
> > good with meat pies.
> Don't worry about it too much. I make a pretty mean shortcrust.
> You were probably raised on lard as a shortening. That was the case in America - lard was what everybody used. It was around the 50's when vegetable oils became predominant

P&G started selling Crisco in 1911. Within 5 years they were selling 5 million
cans a year. Not exactly "around the 50's".

Cindy Hamilton

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On 4/6/2021 8:47 PM, jmcquown wrote:
> On 4/5/2021 10:10 AM, Gary wrote:
>> On 4/4/2021 7:53 PM, jmcquown wrote:
>>> On 4/4/2021 7:35 PM, wrote:
>>>> On Sunday, April 4, 2021 at 8:53:41 AM UTC-5, gary wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>> It's a store made crust. Jill can't be bothered to make her own.
>>>>> She's a
>>>>> half-ass cook.
>>>>>
>>>> So are all of mine, whether for a pie or a pot pie; they're all
>>>> store-bought.
>>>> I guess that makes me a half-assed cook, too.
>>>>
>>> Message source info includes > No great
>>> surprise there. When has an aioe troll ever posted about cooking
>>> anything at all?
>>>
>>> Jill
>>
>> Jill, the real me posted that. AIOE is not just for trolls. For me,
>> it's a backup news server which I had to use yesterday.
>>
>>
> Okay. I read later in this thread you said E-S wouldn't let you
> "download offline" so you switched to AIOE. Thing is, I still do not
> know why you feel you need to "download" posts offline. If E-S wasn't
> working, try checking it when you're not "offline".

Clueless Jill. No one can download when offline.

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On 4/6/2021 8:08 PM, jmcquown wrote:
> On 4/5/2021 11:31 AM, Graham wrote:
>> I really don't understand people's reluctance to make pastry. I never
>> have any problems and, like my Mother, never chill it in the fridge. I
>> make it and roll it out straight away and it is tender and not tough.
>
> I never had any success with pie crust or any sort of pastry so why fuss
> and worry and possibly waste the ingredients on yet another mediocre
> attempt?
>
> I 'get' it. Many people find working with pastry to be simple and even
> enjoyable. I'm not one of them.

Not simple and enjoyable but well worth the effort when it comes time to
eat the pie or biscuit.

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On 4/6/2021 9:32 PM, cshenk wrote:
> It's just more trouble than some want to take. For me the issue is
> spinal problems that make rolling dough problematic but when I have
> made it, it's no better than the store bought ones so I don't bother.

If your homemade pie dough tastes no better than store bought...
That tells me lots about your cooking abilities.

Do you also make crappy homemade bread?

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On 4/5/2021 10:40 AM, wrote:
> On Monday, April 5, 2021 at 8:49:12 AM UTC-5, Dave Smith wrote:
>>
>> On 2021-04-04 11:26 p.m., US Janet wrote:
>>
>>> I might make a dessert pie one
>>> every year or two. Pie isn't important to us anymore. After a couple
>>> pieces the rest just sits there.
>>>
>> I have the opposite problem. I like it too much. My wife avoids carbs,
>> so it is just me to eat most of the pie. They taste best when fresh and
>> go downhill quickly, so they get eaten up way to fast, and that is not
>> good for the diet.
>>
> Have you tried to make a mini pie? You can get the pie pans at most any
> craft store. Walmart might even stock them.

I once had some leftover pie dough. I rolled it out and formed it into 3
cupcake tin sections and baked it.

Once cooled, I spooned some lemon flavor yogurt into each then topped
each with vanilla yogurt. It was a good treat.

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On 4/6/2021 10:30 PM, Mike Duffy wrote:
> On Tue, 06 Apr 2021 19:43:23 -0400, Dave Smith wrote:
>
>> Emails? I get 10-15 legitimate emails a day and maybe one spam every
>> second day.
>
>> I get 100 or more posts in RFC,
>
> Thanks. I was only interested in how many junk emails one can expect by
> putting a valid address in your headers. Maybe I'll create one for usenet
> if it's only 1 | 2 a day.
>

Mike, I use a valid address in Usenet. Results in an average of maybe
12-20 junk emails per week. My email is through Yahoo mail and they do
have a good spam filter. It catches most of them.

I do check my "Spam" folder occasionally before deleting it. Now and
then, I'll find a valid email there that was mistakenly filtered out.
That happens very rarely though...maybe 2 per year.

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In article >,
says...
>
> On 2021-04-06 3:22 p.m., dsi1 wrote:
> > On Tuesday, April 6, 2021 at 6:29:03 AM UTC-10, wrote:
>
> >> Lard does not taste like a pig, at least lard that is rendered properly.
> >> Hydrogenated fats are terrible for the body, lard has less fat than
> >> butter and no trans fats.
> >
> > That's like saying that meat or vegetables that don't taste like meat or vegetables isn't meat or vegetables. I'm not saying that lard is poison. I'm saying that making a pie from pig is repulsive to me.
> >
>
> That's a damned shame because lard makes great pastry. It is especially
> good with meat pies.

Mmmm, pork pie, tourtiere, bacon and egg pie..... if you run out of
pork, let's have steak and ale pie, steak and mushroom pie , steak and
kidney pie... chicken pie, chicken and leek pie... apple pie..

and all their lovely pastry made with butter and lard.



Janet UK

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In article >,
says...
>
> On Tuesday, April 6, 2021 at 10:54:12 AM UTC-10, Dave Smith wrote:
> > On 2021-04-06 3:22 p.m., dsi1 wrote:
> > > On Tuesday, April 6, 2021 at 6:29:03 AM UTC-10, wrote:
> >
> > >> Lard does not taste like a pig, at least lard that is rendered properly.
> > >> Hydrogenated fats are terrible for the body, lard has less fat than
> > >> butter and no trans fats.
> > >
> > > That's like saying that meat or vegetables that don't taste like meat or vegetables isn't meat or vegetables. I'm not saying that lard is poison. I'm saying that making a pie from pig is repulsive to me.
> > >
> > That's a damned shame because lard makes great pastry. It is especially
> > good with meat pies.
>
> Don't worry about it too much. I make a pretty mean shortcrust.
> You were probably raised on lard as a shortening. That was the case in America - lard was what everybody used.
It was around the 50's when vegetable oils became predominant - in the
US. You are probably of an earlier generation or not an American.
Americans were way into the good fat/bad fat game early on.

Too bad that in their ignorance, Americans jumped on the transfat
bandwagon, the most unhealthy vegetable fat of all.

https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-...ns/high-blood-
cholesterol/in-depth/trans-fat/art-20046114

"Trans fat is considered the worst type of fat you can eat. Unlike
other dietary fats, trans fat ? also called trans-fatty acids ? raises
your "bad" cholesterol and also lowers your "good" cholesterol.

A diet laden with trans fat increases your risk of heart disease, the
leading killer of adults. The more trans fat you eat, the greater your
risk of heart and blood vessel disease.

Trans fat is so unhealthy that the Food and Drug Administration has
recently prohibited food manufacturers from adding the major source of
artificial trans fat to foods and beverages.

The FDA expects that this move will prevent thousands of heart attacks
and deaths every year. But, as the regulation takes effect, some
products with added trans fat may still be available.

Here's some information about trans fat and how to avoid it.
What is trans fat?

Most trans fat is formed through an industrial process that adds
hydrogen to vegetable oil, which causes the oil to become solid at room
temperature."

Janet UK

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On 2021 Apr 6, , Cindy Hamilton wrote
(in >):

> We've been to the factory, where they have a viewing gallery where we
> watched them make it. One of the older workers reminded me of my
> grandfather's brothers. (Although he wasn't as old as they would be now.
> Gosh, if my grandfather were still alive, he'd be over 100.)

Kids these days! If Dad was alive, he´d be 120. Mom would only be 112
;-)

leo

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In article . Net>,
says...
>
> On 2021 Apr 6, , Cindy Hamilton wrote
> (in >):
>
> > We've been to the factory, where they have a viewing gallery where we
> > watched them make it. One of the older workers reminded me of my
> > grandfather's brothers. (Although he wasn't as old as they would be now.
> > Gosh, if my grandfather were still alive, he'd be over 100.)
>
> Kids these days! If Dad was alive, he?d be 120. Mom would only be 112
> ;-)
>
> leo

My Dad would be 132. Born in 1889

Janet UK

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On Wednesday, April 7, 2021 at 3:45:45 PM UTC-5, Leo wrote:
>
> Kids these days! If Dad was alive, he´d be 120. Mom would only be 112
> ;-)
>
> leo
>
My dad would be 118 and my mom would be 108, oldest brother
would be 90. If my dad's father were alive he'd be 150; he was in
the 1889 Oklahoma land rush.

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Janet wrote:

> In article . Net>,
> says...
> >
> > On 2021 Apr 6, , Cindy Hamilton wrote
> > (in
> > >):
> >
> > > We've been to the factory, where they have a viewing gallery
> > > where we watched them make it. One of the older workers reminded
> > > me of my grandfather's brothers. (Although he wasn't as old as
> > > they would be now. Gosh, if my grandfather were still alive,
> > > he'd be over 100.)
> >
> > Kids these days! If Dad was alive, he?d be 120. Mom would only be
> > 112 ;-)
> >
> > leo
>
> My Dad would be 132. Born in 1889
>
> Janet UK

Do you remember the first automobile in your village?

--
The real Dr. Bruce posts with uni-berlin.de - individual.net

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On 7 Apr 2021 22:41:24 GMT, "Dr. Bruce" >
wrote:

>Janet wrote:
>
>> In article . Net>,
>> says...
>> >
>> > On 2021 Apr 6, , Cindy Hamilton wrote
>> > (in
>> > >):
>> >
>> > > We've been to the factory, where they have a viewing gallery
>> > > where we watched them make it. One of the older workers reminded
>> > > me of my grandfather's brothers. (Although he wasn't as old as
>> > > they would be now. Gosh, if my grandfather were still alive,
>> > > he'd be over 100.)
>> >
>> > Kids these days! If Dad was alive, he?d be 120. Mom would only be
>> > 112 ;-)
>> >
>> > leo
>>
>> My Dad would be 132. Born in 1889
>>
>> Janet UK
>
>Do you remember the first automobile in your village?

And here is 'Bruce' being ageist. Criticizing somebody due to their
implied age. And NOT being a troll.......OH NO. He's NOT a troll, not
at all.................. ;-)

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Mike Duffy wrote:

> On Tue, 06 Apr 2021 19:43:23 -0400, Dave Smith wrote:
>
> > Emails? I get 10-15 legitimate emails a day and maybe one spam
> > every second day.
>
> > I get 100 or more posts in RFC,
>
> Thanks. I was only interested in how many junk emails one can expect
> by putting a valid address in your headers. Maybe I'll create one for
> usenet if it's only 1 | 2 a day.

I didn't get many Mike when I had a valid one up there. It is now a
bogus one.

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Gary wrote:

> Graham wrote:
> > Since I use pastry flour rather than AP, which here is a decent
> > bread flour, I can leave out the fridge time.
> > Iuse butter and/or lard NEVER Crisco.
>
> Just curious about why never. My mom always used Crisco but I've
> never so far. I was thinking about using that for a pie crust rather
> than oil.

Umm, I am not an expert for pie crusts but pretty sure 'oil' is wrong
for it.

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cshenk wrote:

> Mike Duffy wrote:
>
> > On Tue, 06 Apr 2021 19:43:23 -0400, Dave Smith wrote:
> >
> > > Emails? I get 10-15 legitimate emails a day and maybe one spam
> > > every second day.
> >
> > > I get 100 or more posts in RFC,
> >
> > Thanks. I was only interested in how many junk emails one can expect
> > by putting a valid address in your headers. Maybe I'll create one
> > for usenet if it's only 1 | 2 a day.
>
> I didn't get many Mike when I had a valid one up there. It is now a
> bogus one.


Please ignore, this was a fake cshenk

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cshenk wrote:

> Gary wrote:
>
> > Graham wrote:
> > > Since I use pastry flour rather than AP, which here is a decent
> > > bread flour, I can leave out the fridge time.
> > > Iuse butter and/or lard NEVER Crisco.
> >
> > Just curious about why never. My mom always used Crisco but I've
> > never so far. I was thinking about using that for a pie crust rather
> > than oil.
>
> Umm, I am not an expert for pie crusts but pretty sure 'oil' is wrong
> for it.

Fake cshenk again. Another AIEO forger!

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Pamela wrote:

> On 23:43 7 Apr 2021, Pamela said:
>
> > On 7 Apr 2021 22:41:24 GMT, "Dr. Bruce" >
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Janet wrote:
> > >
> >>> In article
> >>> . Net>,
> >>> says...
> >>> >
> >>> > On 2021 Apr 6, , Cindy Hamilton wrote
> >>> > (in
> >>> > >
> >>> > ):
> >>> >
> >>> > > We've been to the factory, where they have a viewing gallery
> >>> > > where we watched them make it. One of the older workers
> >>> > > reminded me of my grandfather's brothers. (Although he
> >>> > > wasn't as old as they would be now. Gosh, if my grandfather
> >>> > > were still alive, he'd be over 100.)
> >>> >
> >>> > Kids these days! If Dad was alive, he?d be 120. Mom would only
> >>> > be 112 ;-)
> >>> >
> >>> > leo
> >>>
> >>> My Dad would be 132. Born in 1889
> >>>
> >>> Janet UK
> > >
> > > Do you remember the first automobile in your village?
> >
> > And here is 'Bruce' being ageist. Criticizing somebody due to
> > their implied age. And NOT being a troll.......OH NO. He's NOT a
> > troll, not at all.................. ;-)
>
> Mr Neodome, why don't you post junk comments like that under your own
> name? No one else could share your bizarre line of thinking.

Besides, I don't know how old Janet UK is. Maybe her father did a
Charlie Chaplin and sired her when he was 80.

--
The real Dr. Bruce posts with uni-berlin.de - individual.net

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On 4/7/2021 6:16 PM, wrote:
> On Wednesday, April 7, 2021 at 3:45:45 PM UTC-5, Leo wrote:
>>
>> Kids these days! If Dad was alive, he´d be 120. Mom would only be 112
>> ;-)
>>
>> leo
>>
> My dad would be 118 and my mom would be 108, oldest brother
> would be 90. If my dad's father were alive he'd be 150; he was in
> the 1889 Oklahoma land rush.
>
Compared to some of the replies I've read, if my parents were still
alive Dad would be a mere 97 and my mother 95.

Jill

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Gary wrote:

> On 4/6/2021 9:32 PM, cshenk wrote:
> > It's just more trouble than some want to take. For me the issue is
> > spinal problems that make rolling dough problematic but when I have
> > made it, it's no better than the store bought ones so I don't
> > bother.
>
> If your homemade pie dough tastes no better than store bought...
> That tells me lots about your cooking abilities.
>
> Do you also make crappy homemade bread?

Humm! aioe crap slipped in!

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Janet wrote:

> In article >,
> says...
> >
> > On Tuesday, April 6, 2021 at 10:54:12 AM UTC-10, Dave Smith wrote:
> > > On 2021-04-06 3:22 p.m., dsi1 wrote:
> > > > On Tuesday, April 6, 2021 at 6:29:03 AM UTC-10,
> > > > wrote:
> > >
> > > >> Lard does not taste like a pig, at least lard that is rendered
> > > properly. >> Hydrogenated fats are terrible for the body, lard
> > > has less fat than >> butter and no trans fats.
> > > >
> > > > That's like saying that meat or vegetables that don't taste
> > > > like meat or vegetables isn't meat or vegetables. I'm not
> > > > saying that lard is poison. I'm saying that making a pie from
> > > > pig is repulsive to me.
> > > >
> > > That's a damned shame because lard makes great pastry. It is
> > > especially good with meat pies.
> >
> > Don't worry about it too much. I make a pretty mean shortcrust.
> > You were probably raised on lard as a shortening. That was the case
> > in America - lard was what everybody used.
> It was around the 50's when vegetable oils became predominant - in
> the US. You are probably of an earlier generation or not an American.
> Americans were way into the good fat/bad fat game early on.
>
> Too bad that in their ignorance, Americans jumped on the
> transfat bandwagon, the most unhealthy vegetable fat of all.
>
> https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-...ns/high-blood-
> cholesterol/in-depth/trans-fat/art-20046114
>
> "Trans fat is considered the worst type of fat you can eat.
> Unlike other dietary fats, trans fat ? also called trans-fatty acids
> ? raises your "bad" cholesterol and also lowers your "good"
> cholesterol.
>
> A diet laden with trans fat increases your risk of heart disease, the
> leading killer of adults. The more trans fat you eat, the greater
> your risk of heart and blood vessel disease.
>
> Trans fat is so unhealthy that the Food and Drug Administration has
> recently prohibited food manufacturers from adding the major source
> of artificial trans fat to foods and beverages.
>
> The FDA expects that this move will prevent thousands of heart
> attacks and deaths every year. But, as the regulation takes effect,
> some products with added trans fat may still be available.
>
> Here's some information about trans fat and how to avoid it.
> What is trans fat?
>
> Most trans fat is formed through an industrial process that adds
> hydrogen to vegetable oil, which causes the oil to become solid at
> room temperature."
>
> Janet UK

Um, AIOE slipping in. Janet from the UK is unlikely to care on US FDA
issues....

Maybe she does?

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cshenk wrote:
> Janet wrote:
>
>> In article >,
>> says...
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, April 6, 2021 at 10:54:12 AM UTC-10, Dave Smith wrote:
>>>> On 2021-04-06 3:22 p.m., dsi1 wrote:
>>>>> On Tuesday, April 6, 2021 at 6:29:03 AM UTC-10,
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>> Lard does not taste like a pig, at least lard that is rendered
>>>> properly. >> Hydrogenated fats are terrible for the body, lard
>>>> has less fat than >> butter and no trans fats.
>>>>>
>>>>> That's like saying that meat or vegetables that don't taste
>>>>> like meat or vegetables isn't meat or vegetables. I'm not
>>>>> saying that lard is poison. I'm saying that making a pie from
>>>>> pig is repulsive to me.
>>>>>
>>>> That's a damned shame because lard makes great pastry. It is
>>>> especially good with meat pies.
>>>
>>> Don't worry about it too much. I make a pretty mean shortcrust.
>>> You were probably raised on lard as a shortening. That was the case
>>> in America - lard was what everybody used.
>> It was around the 50's when vegetable oils became predominant - in
>> the US. You are probably of an earlier generation or not an American.
>> Americans were way into the good fat/bad fat game early on.
>>
>> Too bad that in their ignorance, Americans jumped on the
>> transfat bandwagon, the most unhealthy vegetable fat of all.
>>
>> https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-...ns/high-blood-
>> cholesterol/in-depth/trans-fat/art-20046114
>>
>> "Trans fat is considered the worst type of fat you can eat.
>> Unlike other dietary fats, trans fat ? also called trans-fatty acids
>> ? raises your "bad" cholesterol and also lowers your "good"
>> cholesterol.
>>
>> A diet laden with trans fat increases your risk of heart disease, the
>> leading killer of adults. The more trans fat you eat, the greater
>> your risk of heart and blood vessel disease.
>>
>> Trans fat is so unhealthy that the Food and Drug Administration has
>> recently prohibited food manufacturers from adding the major source
>> of artificial trans fat to foods and beverages.
>>
>> The FDA expects that this move will prevent thousands of heart
>> attacks and deaths every year. But, as the regulation takes effect,
>> some products with added trans fat may still be available.
>>
>> Here's some information about trans fat and how to avoid it.
>> What is trans fat?
>>
>> Most trans fat is formed through an industrial process that adds
>> hydrogen to vegetable oil, which causes the oil to become solid at
>> room temperature."
>>
>> Janet UK
>
> Um, AIOE slipping in. Janet from the UK is unlikely to care on US FDA
> issues....
>
> Maybe she does?
>

Damn if you don't see AIOE everywhere. You might need to see a
therapist.

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jmcquown wrote:

> On 4/7/2021 9:29 PM, cshenk wrote:
> > Gary wrote:
> >
> > > On 4/6/2021 9:32 PM, cshenk wrote:
> > > > It's just more trouble than some want to take. For me the
> > > > issue is spinal problems that make rolling dough problematic
> > > > but when I have made it, it's no better than the store bought
> > > > ones so I don't bother.
> > >
> > > If your homemade pie dough tastes no better than store bought...
> > > That tells me lots about your cooking abilities.
> > >
> > > Do you also make crappy homemade bread?
> >
> > Humm! aioe crap slipped in!
> >
> Apparently Gary has adopted calling everyone who doesn't make pie
> crust half-assed cooks, just like a regular troll.
>
> Jill

I understand the convenience, but it isn't really cooking, is it? It's
a bit like doctoring a frozen supermarket pizza.

--
The real Dr. Bruce posts with uni-berlin.de - individual.net

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On 4/7/2021 9:29 PM, cshenk wrote:
> Gary wrote:
>
>> On 4/6/2021 9:32 PM, cshenk wrote:
>>> It's just more trouble than some want to take. For me the issue is
>>> spinal problems that make rolling dough problematic but when I have
>>> made it, it's no better than the store bought ones so I don't
>>> bother.
>>
>> If your homemade pie dough tastes no better than store bought...
>> That tells me lots about your cooking abilities.
>>
>> Do you also make crappy homemade bread?
>
> Humm! aioe crap slipped in!
>
Apparently Gary has adopted calling everyone who doesn't make pie crust
half-assed cooks, just like a regular troll.

Jill

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On Wed, 07 Apr 2021 20:34:07 -0500, "cshenk"
> wrote:

>Janet wrote:
>
>> In article >,
>> says...
>> >
>> > On Tuesday, April 6, 2021 at 10:54:12 AM UTC-10, Dave Smith wrote:
>> > > On 2021-04-06 3:22 p.m., dsi1 wrote:
>> > > > On Tuesday, April 6, 2021 at 6:29:03 AM UTC-10,
>> > > > wrote:
>> > >
>> > > >> Lard does not taste like a pig, at least lard that is rendered
>> > > properly. >> Hydrogenated fats are terrible for the body, lard
>> > > has less fat than >> butter and no trans fats.
>> > > >
>> > > > That's like saying that meat or vegetables that don't taste
>> > > > like meat or vegetables isn't meat or vegetables. I'm not
>> > > > saying that lard is poison. I'm saying that making a pie from
>> > > > pig is repulsive to me.
>> > > >
>> > > That's a damned shame because lard makes great pastry. It is
>> > > especially good with meat pies.
>> >
>> > Don't worry about it too much. I make a pretty mean shortcrust.
>> > You were probably raised on lard as a shortening. That was the case
>> > in America - lard was what everybody used.
>> It was around the 50's when vegetable oils became predominant - in
>> the US. You are probably of an earlier generation or not an American.
>> Americans were way into the good fat/bad fat game early on.
>>
>> Too bad that in their ignorance, Americans jumped on the
>> transfat bandwagon, the most unhealthy vegetable fat of all.
>>
>> https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-...ns/high-blood-
>> cholesterol/in-depth/trans-fat/art-20046114
>>
>> "Trans fat is considered the worst type of fat you can eat.
>> Unlike other dietary fats, trans fat ? also called trans-fatty acids
>> ? raises your "bad" cholesterol and also lowers your "good"
>> cholesterol.
>>
>> A diet laden with trans fat increases your risk of heart disease, the
>> leading killer of adults. The more trans fat you eat, the greater
>> your risk of heart and blood vessel disease.
>>
>> Trans fat is so unhealthy that the Food and Drug Administration has
>> recently prohibited food manufacturers from adding the major source
>> of artificial trans fat to foods and beverages.
>>
>> The FDA expects that this move will prevent thousands of heart
>> attacks and deaths every year. But, as the regulation takes effect,
>> some products with added trans fat may still be available.
>>
>> Here's some information about trans fat and how to avoid it.
>> What is trans fat?
>>
>> Most trans fat is formed through an industrial process that adds
>> hydrogen to vegetable oil, which causes the oil to become solid at
>> room temperature."
>>
>> Janet UK
>
>Um, AIOE slipping in. Janet from the UK is unlikely to care on US FDA
>issues....
>
>Maybe she does?

You need help. Seriously.

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On Wed, 07 Apr 2021 20:29:57 -0500, "cshenk"
> wrote:

>Gary wrote:
>
>> On 4/6/2021 9:32 PM, cshenk wrote:
>> > It's just more trouble than some want to take. For me the issue is
>> > spinal problems that make rolling dough problematic but when I have
>> > made it, it's no better than the store bought ones so I don't
>> > bother.
>>
>> If your homemade pie dough tastes no better than store bought...
>> That tells me lots about your cooking abilities.
>>
>> Do you also make crappy homemade bread?
>
>Humm! aioe crap slipped in!

Wow, you're legit out of your mind.

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On Wednesday, April 7, 2021 at 4:45:45 PM UTC-4, Leo wrote:
> On 2021 Apr 6, , Cindy Hamilton wrote
> (in >):
> > We've been to the factory, where they have a viewing gallery where we
> > watched them make it. One of the older workers reminded me of my
> > grandfather's brothers. (Although he wasn't as old as they would be now..
> > Gosh, if my grandfather were still alive, he'd be over 100.)
> Kids these days! If Dad was alive, he´d be 120. Mom would only be 112
> ;-)
>
> leo

My mom is alive, and she's 86. Rumor has it my father is alive, but I have
no idea what his age is. A few years older than my mother.

Cindy Hamilton

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On 4/7/2021 7:25 PM, cshenk wrote:
> cshenk wrote:
>
>> Mike Duffy wrote:
>>
>>> On Tue, 06 Apr 2021 19:43:23 -0400, Dave Smith wrote:
>>>
>>>> Emails? I get 10-15 legitimate emails a day and maybe one spam
>>>> every second day.
>>>
>>>> I get 100 or more posts in RFC,
>>>
>>> Thanks. I was only interested in how many junk emails one can expect
>>> by putting a valid address in your headers. Maybe I'll create one
>>> for usenet if it's only 1 | 2 a day.
>>
>> I didn't get many Mike when I had a valid one up there. It is now a
>> bogus one.
>
>
> Please ignore, this was a fake cshenk
>
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On 4/7/2021 7:25 PM, cshenk wrote:
> cshenk wrote:
>
>> Gary wrote:
>>
>>> Graham wrote:
>>>> Since I use pastry flour rather than AP, which here is a decent
>>>> bread flour, I can leave out the fridge time.
>>>> Iuse butter and/or lard NEVER Crisco.
>>>
>>> Just curious about why never. My mom always used Crisco but I've
>>> never so far. I was thinking about using that for a pie crust rather
>>> than oil.
>>
>> Umm, I am not an expert for pie crusts but pretty sure 'oil' is wrong
>> for it.
>
> Fake cshenk again. Another AIEO forger!
>
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On 4/7/2021 9:34 PM, cshenk wrote:
> Janet wrote:
>
>> In article >,
>> says...
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, April 6, 2021 at 10:54:12 AM UTC-10, Dave Smith wrote:
>>>> On 2021-04-06 3:22 p.m., dsi1 wrote:
>>>>> On Tuesday, April 6, 2021 at 6:29:03 AM UTC-10,
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>> Lard does not taste like a pig, at least lard that is rendered
>>>> properly. >> Hydrogenated fats are terrible for the body, lard
>>>> has less fat than >> butter and no trans fats.
>>>>>
>>>>> That's like saying that meat or vegetables that don't taste
>>>>> like meat or vegetables isn't meat or vegetables. I'm not
>>>>> saying that lard is poison. I'm saying that making a pie from
>>>>> pig is repulsive to me.
>>>>>
>>>> That's a damned shame because lard makes great pastry. It is
>>>> especially good with meat pies.
>>>
>>> Don't worry about it too much. I make a pretty mean shortcrust.
>>> You were probably raised on lard as a shortening. That was the case
>>> in America - lard was what everybody used.
>> It was around the 50's when vegetable oils became predominant - in
>> the US. You are probably of an earlier generation or not an American.
>> Americans were way into the good fat/bad fat game early on.
>>
>> Too bad that in their ignorance, Americans jumped on the
>> transfat bandwagon, the most unhealthy vegetable fat of all.
>>
>> https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-...ns/high-blood-
>> cholesterol/in-depth/trans-fat/art-20046114
>>
>> "Trans fat is considered the worst type of fat you can eat.
>> Unlike other dietary fats, trans fat ? also called trans-fatty acids
>> ? raises your "bad" cholesterol and also lowers your "good"
>> cholesterol.
>>
>> A diet laden with trans fat increases your risk of heart disease, the
>> leading killer of adults. The more trans fat you eat, the greater
>> your risk of heart and blood vessel disease.
>>
>> Trans fat is so unhealthy that the Food and Drug Administration has
>> recently prohibited food manufacturers from adding the major source
>> of artificial trans fat to foods and beverages.
>>
>> The FDA expects that this move will prevent thousands of heart
>> attacks and deaths every year. But, as the regulation takes effect,
>> some products with added trans fat may still be available.
>>
>> Here's some information about trans fat and how to avoid it.
>> What is trans fat?
>>
>> Most trans fat is formed through an industrial process that adds
>> hydrogen to vegetable oil, which causes the oil to become solid at
>> room temperature."
>>
>> Janet UK
>
> Um, AIOE slipping in. Janet from the UK is unlikely to care on US FDA
> issues....
>
> Maybe she does?
>
Shuddup, asshat.
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On 4/7/2021 6:44 PM, Dr. Bruce wrote:
> wrote:
>
>> On Wednesday, April 7, 2021 at 3:45:45 PM UTC-5, Leo wrote:
>>>
>>> Kids these days! If Dad was alive, he´d be 120. Mom would only be
>>> 112 ;-)
>>>
>>> leo
>>>
>> My dad would be 118 and my mom would be 108, oldest brother
>> would be 90. If my dad's father were alive he'd be 150; he was in
>> the 1889 Oklahoma land rush.
>
> If Caesar was still alive, he'd be 2121.

That really is an odd topic happening here. "If my dead relatives were
still alive they would be age (fill in the blank)." Funny.

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On 4/7/2021 11:56 PM, jmcquown wrote:
> On 4/7/2021 9:29 PM, cshenk wrote:
>> Gary wrote:
>>
>>> On 4/6/2021 9:32 PM, cshenk wrote:
>>>> It's just more trouble than some want to take. For me the issue is
>>>> spinal problems that make rolling dough problematic but when I have
>>>> made it, it's no better than the store bought ones so I don't
>>>> bother.
>>>
>>> If your homemade pie dough tastes no better than store bought...
>>> That tells me lots about your cooking abilities.
>>>
>>> Do you also make crappy homemade bread?
>>
>> Humm! aioe crap slipped in!
>>
> Apparently Gary has adopted calling everyone who doesn't make pie crust
> half-assed cooks, just like a regular troll.

And you pretend to be a good cook.

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On Thursday, April 8, 2021 at 7:11:54 AM UTC-4, Gary wrote:
> On 4/7/2021 6:44 PM, Dr. Bruce wrote:
> > wrote:
> >
> >> On Wednesday, April 7, 2021 at 3:45:45 PM UTC-5, Leo wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Kids these days! If Dad was alive, he´d be 120. Mom would only be
> >>> 112 ;-)
> >>>
> >>> leo
> >>>
> >> My dad would be 118 and my mom would be 108, oldest brother
> >> would be 90. If my dad's father were alive he'd be 150; he was in
> >> the 1889 Oklahoma land rush.
> >
> > If Caesar was still alive, he'd be 2121.
> That really is an odd topic happening here. "If my dead relatives were
> still alive they would be age (fill in the blank)." Funny.

My grandfather died 40 years ago. It's unsettling to speculate what
he'd be like if he were still alive.

Cindy Hamilton

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On Thursday, April 8, 2021 at 7:13:01 AM UTC-4, Gary wrote:
> On 4/7/2021 11:56 PM, jmcquown wrote:
> > On 4/7/2021 9:29 PM, cshenk wrote:
> >> Gary wrote:
> >>
> >>> On 4/6/2021 9:32 PM, cshenk wrote:
> >>>> It's just more trouble than some want to take. For me the issue is
> >>>> spinal problems that make rolling dough problematic but when I have
> >>>> made it, it's no better than the store bought ones so I don't
> >>>> bother.
> >>>
> >>> If your homemade pie dough tastes no better than store bought...
> >>> That tells me lots about your cooking abilities.
> >>>
> >>> Do you also make crappy homemade bread?
> >>
> >> Humm! aioe crap slipped in!
> >>
> > Apparently Gary has adopted calling everyone who doesn't make pie crust
> > half-assed cooks, just like a regular troll.
> And you pretend to be a good cook.

Anybody who makes pie crust using oil pretends to be a good cook.

Cindy Hamilton

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On 4/8/2021 8:12 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> On Thursday, April 8, 2021 at 7:13:01 AM UTC-4, Gary wrote:
>> On 4/7/2021 11:56 PM, jmcquown wrote:
>>> On 4/7/2021 9:29 PM, cshenk wrote:
>>>> Gary wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 4/6/2021 9:32 PM, cshenk wrote:
>>>>>> It's just more trouble than some want to take. For me the issue is
>>>>>> spinal problems that make rolling dough problematic but when I have
>>>>>> made it, it's no better than the store bought ones so I don't
>>>>>> bother.
>>>>>
>>>>> If your homemade pie dough tastes no better than store bought...
>>>>> That tells me lots about your cooking abilities.
>>>>>
>>>>> Do you also make crappy homemade bread?
>>>>
>>>> Humm! aioe crap slipped in!
>>>>
>>> Apparently Gary has adopted calling everyone who doesn't make pie crust
>>> half-assed cooks, just like a regular troll.
>> And you pretend to be a good cook.
>
> Anybody who makes pie crust using oil pretends to be a good cook.
>
> Cindy Hamilton
>
lol Still better than store crusts.

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On 2021-04-08 7:11 a.m., Gary wrote:
> On 4/7/2021 6:44 PM, Dr. Bruce wrote:

>> If Caesar was still alive, he'd be 2121.
>
> That really is an odd topic happening here. "If my dead relatives were
> still alive they would be age (fill in the blank)."Â* Funny.


My sister in law is notorious for celebrating birthdays of long dead
relatives. At our nephew's wedding reception she hijacked the mike to
lead announce that it happened to be her grandmother's birthday. I
thought that was a little odd because the grandmother had been dead for
close to 30 years. I my be old fashioned, but I always that was part of
celebrating the person has lived to see another birthday.

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On 2021-04-08 8:12 a.m., Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> On Thursday, April 8, 2021 at 7:13:01 AM UTC-4, Gary wrote:

>>> Apparently Gary has adopted calling everyone who doesn't make pie crust
>>> half-assed cooks, just like a regular troll.
>> And you pretend to be a good cook.
>
> Anybody who makes pie crust using oil pretends to be a good cook.
>
I once tried making a heart healthy pie pastry with oil. It was horrible.