On Sunday, March 7, 2021 at 3:06:27 AM UTC-6, bruce bowser wrote:
> On Saturday, March 6, 2021 at 8:20:08 PM UTC-5, US Janet wrote:
> > On Sat, 06 Mar 2021 15:38:40 -0500, Boron Elgar
> > > wrote:
> >
> > >On Sat, 6 Mar 2021 10:36:44 -0700, Graham > wrote:
> > >
> > >>On 2021-03-06 9:16 a.m., jmcquown wrote:
> > >>> On 3/6/2021 10:57 AM, US Janet wrote:
> > >>>> On Sat, 6 Mar 2021 09:41:34 -0500, jmcquown >
> > >>>> wrote:
> > >>>>
> > >>>>> On 3/6/2021 6:41 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> > >>>>>> On Saturday, March 6, 2021 at 5:37:22 AM UTC-5, Sqwertz wrote:
> > >>>>>>> On Thu, 4 Mar 2021 19:48:05 -0500, jmcquown wrote:
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> I waited too late last year trying to catch the sales on Corned Beef
> > >>>>>>>> Brisket. The local stores ran out. I shopped at Publix today after
> > >>>>>>>> work (nary a soul there around 4:15 PM) and picked up two of them.
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> Popped them both in the stand-alone freezer. I'll wait until
> > >>>>>>>> closer to
> > >>>>>>>> the 17th to buy the cabbage to go with one of them. The other I will
> > >>>>>>>> save until Fall, when Corned Beef Brisket is impossible to find.
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> They;'ve given upon corned beef and St Patricks day here. Nobody in
> > >>>>>>> Texas buys 35% solution added corned beef for $4-5/lb when it's
> > >>>>>>> $1.80 pound with no added water all day long. It's our gift to
> > >>>>>>> you.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> Texas is a whole 'nother country. Flat cut brisket is $5.99/pound
> > >>>>>> at my grocery. Corned beef (flat cut brisket) is $6.99/pound.
> > >>>>>> Packer cut appears to be nonexistent.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> Cindy Hamilton
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>> The flat cut corned beef briskets were $3.99/lb. That's about the
> > >>>>> best price I'll find. I've never seen anything other than the flat cut
> > >>>>> in stores in this area.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Jill
> > >>>>
> > >>>> I got my corned beef sometime around Thanksgiving because it was a
> > >>>> beautiful piece of meat at $3.69/lb. OTOH, fresh cabbage is about a
> > >>>> dollar a pound now. That price probably won't get better for several
> > >>>> months as the flooding and freezing took out the brassicas in Texas.
> > >>>> Janet US
> > >>>>
> > >>> I have never seen corned beef at the stores down here in November!
> > >>> That's why I buy two of them when I can find them. Yes, the freeze in
> > >>> Texas might very well have a widespread affect on brassicas. I think
> > >>> most of the produce in supermarkets around here is grown in SC, GA or FL.
> > >>>
> > >>> Jill
> > >>Brassicas survive wintry temperatures quite well. Indeed, in the UK it
> > >>was traditional not to eat Brussel Sprouts until they'd gone through a
> > >>severe frost.
> > >
> > >That is always recommended for sprouts around here. Cuts bitterness.
> > >
> > >I do not know if there is a variety that is naturally less bitter and
> > >does not required.
> > >
> > >I have not grown them in years. Losing full and ready-to-harvest stems
> > >to a groundhog, just ticked me off too much to bother.
>
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ffD8...tart_radio =1
>
> > the stems of mine got furry with aphids and I could see I wasn't going
> > to win that battle.
>
> Incredible! Some people don't like being near gardening, though. If anyone gets bitten
> or electrocuted by an eel or something, it kinda has a repel effect from then on.
>
Fortunately, my garden doesn't have any eels. I've already put tomato seeds in the
ground, and my blackberries are budding out.

If you want great tomatoes, you either have to pay really high prices
or grow your own. I'm going to plant a lot of them this year, and I'm
going for interesting varieties. I'm ordering from these folks.
https://www.tomatofest.com/aboutus.asp
They are total tomato nerds, and their prices aren't too high. Sunlight
is free, and digging in soil is mentally restorative.

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On Sun, 7 Mar 2021 05:16:07 -0800 (PST), Bryan Simmons
> wrote:


>If you want great tomatoes, you either have to pay really high prices
>or grow your own. I'm going to plant a lot of them this year, and I'm
>going for interesting varieties. I'm ordering from these folks.
>https://www.tomatofest.com/aboutus.asp
>They are total tomato nerds, and their prices aren't too high. Sunlight
>is free, and digging in soil is mentally restorative.

I have ordered from them at times in the past. They are fine
suppliers.

I save tomato seeds from year to year from varieties that have done
well and had interesting tastes. Some varieties breed true, others
have developed into variants of their own, often with interesting
results.

I do grow a lot of cherry/smaller type fruits, too, as I live next to
150 acres of wood and get more than my fair share of predators. If I
grow smaller fruits, I generally get to keep some for harvest. Larger,
beefsteak sorts can produce few enough fruits that a bunch of
chipmunks, raccoons and groundhogs can end them altogether.

Last year I bought a small container of "heirloom" and unusual
cherries of all colors, shapes and sizes. I over ripened a dozen or so
of them, harvested the seed, and planted them in seed pots. I got some
terrific fruits as the season went on..

On Sun, 07 Mar 2021 08:37:00 -0500, Boron Elgar wrote:

> I save tomato seeds from year to year [...]
> Some varieties breed true, others [...]
> with interesting results.
>
> [...] I got some terrific fruits

Be wary of Nightshade. They look (& apparently taste) like a sweet tiny
cherry tomato. I'm not sure how much as adult can eat, but a few can kill
a small child, especially if not quite ripe.

I thought they could interbreed with tomatoes, but I just checked and the
concensus opinion seems to be 'unlikely'.

On Sun, 7 Mar 2021 17:05:00 -0000 (UTC), Mike Duffy >
wrote:

>On Sun, 07 Mar 2021 08:37:00 -0500, Boron Elgar wrote:
>
>> I save tomato seeds from year to year [...]
>> Some varieties breed true, others [...]
>> with interesting results.
>>
>> [...] I got some terrific fruits
>
>Be wary of Nightshade. They look (& apparently taste) like a sweet tiny
>cherry tomato. I'm not sure how much as adult can eat, but a few can kill
>a small child, especially if not quite ripe.
>
>I thought they could interbreed with tomatoes, but I just checked and the
>concensus opinion seems to be 'unlikely'.

One of the reasons that Europe was slow to accept tomatoes, brought
from the new world, was the resemblance to "deadly nightshade."

On 07/03/2021 17:05, Mike Duffy wrote:
> On Sun, 07 Mar 2021 08:37:00 -0500, Boron Elgar wrote:
>
>> I save tomato seeds from year to year [...]
>> Some varieties breed true, others [...]
>> with interesting results.
>>
>> [...] I got some terrific fruits
>
> Be wary of Nightshade. They look (& apparently taste) like a sweet tiny
> cherry tomato. I'm not sure how much as adult can eat, but a few can kill
> a small child, especially if not quite ripe.
>
> I thought they could interbreed with tomatoes, but I just checked and the
> concensus opinion seems to be 'unlikely'.
>

Very good to know, thanks!!

On 3/7/2021 7:37 AM, Boron Elgar wrote:
> On Sun, 7 Mar 2021 05:16:07 -0800 (PST), Bryan Simmons
> > wrote:
>
>
>> If you want great tomatoes, you either have to pay really high prices
>> or grow your own. I'm going to plant a lot of them this year, and I'm
>> going for interesting varieties. I'm ordering from these folks.
>> https://www.tomatofest.com/aboutus.asp
>> They are total tomato nerds, and their prices aren't too high. Sunlight
>> is free, and digging in soil is mentally restorative.
>
> I have ordered from them at times in the past. They are fine
> suppliers.
>
> I save tomato seeds from year to year from varieties that have done
> well and had interesting tastes. Some varieties breed true, others
> have developed into variants of their own, often with interesting
> results.
>
> I do grow a lot of cherry/smaller type fruits, too, as I live next to
> 150 acres of wood and get more than my fair share of predators. If I
> grow smaller fruits, I generally get to keep some for harvest. Larger,
> beefsteak sorts can produce few enough fruits that a bunch of
> chipmunks, raccoons and groundhogs can end them altogether.
>
> Last year I bought a small container of "heirloom" and unusual
> cherries of all colors, shapes and sizes. I over ripened a dozen or so
> of them, harvested the seed, and planted them in seed pots. I got some
> terrific fruits as the season went on..
>
There's an area where we camp where there's a little clearing.
It's small, but the northern edge of it should get plenty of
sunlight for tomatoes. The "soil" there is basically just rock,
but this Spring we're going out there with pick, mattock and
shovel, and a few bags of topsoil to clear an area to start
these.
http://yougrowgirl.com/tomatoes-wort...white-currant/
I've grown red currants before. I'd also like to put one
oddball out there to get x pollinated by the currant.
Maybe this.
https://www.tomatofest.com/Blue_Berr...p/tf-0070e.htm

Anyway, I figure that if I get the white currants growing there,
they'll self seed every year. We've already put some tame
blackberries in out there right next to the ones that have been
there for ages.


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On Sun, 7 Mar 2021 12:50:51 -0600, BryanGSimmons
> wrote:

>On 3/7/2021 7:37 AM, Boron Elgar wrote:
>> On Sun, 7 Mar 2021 05:16:07 -0800 (PST), Bryan Simmons
>> > wrote:
>>
>>
>>> If you want great tomatoes, you either have to pay really high prices
>>> or grow your own. I'm going to plant a lot of them this year, and I'm
>>> going for interesting varieties. I'm ordering from these folks.
>>> https://www.tomatofest.com/aboutus.asp
>>> They are total tomato nerds, and their prices aren't too high. Sunlight
>>> is free, and digging in soil is mentally restorative.
>>
>> I have ordered from them at times in the past. They are fine
>> suppliers.
>>
>> I save tomato seeds from year to year from varieties that have done
>> well and had interesting tastes. Some varieties breed true, others
>> have developed into variants of their own, often with interesting
>> results.
>>
>> I do grow a lot of cherry/smaller type fruits, too, as I live next to
>> 150 acres of wood and get more than my fair share of predators. If I
>> grow smaller fruits, I generally get to keep some for harvest. Larger,
>> beefsteak sorts can produce few enough fruits that a bunch of
>> chipmunks, raccoons and groundhogs can end them altogether.
>>
>> Last year I bought a small container of "heirloom" and unusual
>> cherries of all colors, shapes and sizes. I over ripened a dozen or so
>> of them, harvested the seed, and planted them in seed pots. I got some
>> terrific fruits as the season went on..
>>
>There's an area where we camp where there's a little clearing.
>It's small, but the northern edge of it should get plenty of
>sunlight for tomatoes. The "soil" there is basically just rock,
>but this Spring we're going out there with pick, mattock and
>shovel, and a few bags of topsoil to clear an area to start
>these.
>http://yougrowgirl.com/tomatoes-wort...white-currant/

Not sure I have ever seen these, although I have often had tiny
yellow, and little reds we you describe below.

>I've grown red currants before. I'd also like to put one
>oddball out there to get x pollinated by the currant.
>Maybe this.
>https://www.tomatofest.com/Blue_Berr...p/tf-0070e.htm
>
>Anyway, I figure that if I get the white currants growing there,
>they'll self seed every year. We've already put some tame
>blackberries in out there right next to the ones that have been
>there for ages.

Tomato volunteers are wonderful. I let fruit drops stay in the beds
and tubs at the end of the season and get some lovely surprises the
following spring.

On Sunday, March 7, 2021 at 8:16:11 AM UTC-5, wrote:
> On Sunday, March 7, 2021 at 3:06:27 AM UTC-6, bruce bowser wrote:
> > On Saturday, March 6, 2021 at 8:20:08 PM UTC-5, US Janet wrote:
> > > On Sat, 06 Mar 2021 15:38:40 -0500, Boron Elgar
> > > > wrote:
> > >
> > > >On Sat, 6 Mar 2021 10:36:44 -0700, Graham > wrote:
> > > >
> > > >>On 2021-03-06 9:16 a.m., jmcquown wrote:
> > > >>> On 3/6/2021 10:57 AM, US Janet wrote:
> > > >>>> On Sat, 6 Mar 2021 09:41:34 -0500, jmcquown >
> > > >>>> wrote:
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>> On 3/6/2021 6:41 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> > > >>>>>> On Saturday, March 6, 2021 at 5:37:22 AM UTC-5, Sqwertz wrote:
> > > >>>>>>> On Thu, 4 Mar 2021 19:48:05 -0500, jmcquown wrote:
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>> I waited too late last year trying to catch the sales on Corned Beef
> > > >>>>>>>> Brisket. The local stores ran out. I shopped at Publix today after
> > > >>>>>>>> work (nary a soul there around 4:15 PM) and picked up two of them.
> > > >>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>> Popped them both in the stand-alone freezer. I'll wait until
> > > >>>>>>>> closer to
> > > >>>>>>>> the 17th to buy the cabbage to go with one of them. The other I will
> > > >>>>>>>> save until Fall, when Corned Beef Brisket is impossible to find.
> > > >>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>> They;'ve given upon corned beef and St Patricks day here. Nobody in
> > > >>>>>>> Texas buys 35% solution added corned beef for $4-5/lb when it's
> > > >>>>>>> $1.80 pound with no added water all day long. It's our gift to
> > > >>>>>>> you.
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>> Texas is a whole 'nother country. Flat cut brisket is $5.99/pound
> > > >>>>>> at my grocery. Corned beef (flat cut brisket) is $6.99/pound.
> > > >>>>>> Packer cut appears to be nonexistent.
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>> Cindy Hamilton
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>> The flat cut corned beef briskets were $3.99/lb. That's about the
> > > >>>>> best price I'll find. I've never seen anything other than the flat cut
> > > >>>>> in stores in this area.
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> Jill
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> I got my corned beef sometime around Thanksgiving because it was a
> > > >>>> beautiful piece of meat at $3.69/lb. OTOH, fresh cabbage is about a
> > > >>>> dollar a pound now. That price probably won't get better for several
> > > >>>> months as the flooding and freezing took out the brassicas in Texas.
> > > >>>> Janet US
> > > >>>>
> > > >>> I have never seen corned beef at the stores down here in November!
> > > >>> That's why I buy two of them when I can find them. Yes, the freeze in
> > > >>> Texas might very well have a widespread affect on brassicas. I think
> > > >>> most of the produce in supermarkets around here is grown in SC, GA or FL.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Jill
> > > >>Brassicas survive wintry temperatures quite well. Indeed, in the UK it
> > > >>was traditional not to eat Brussel Sprouts until they'd gone through a
> > > >>severe frost.
> > > >
> > > >That is always recommended for sprouts around here. Cuts bitterness.
> > > >
> > > >I do not know if there is a variety that is naturally less bitter and
> > > >does not required.
> > > >
> > > >I have not grown them in years. Losing full and ready-to-harvest stems
> > > >to a groundhog, just ticked me off too much to bother.
> >
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ffD8...tart_radio =1
> >
> > > the stems of mine got furry with aphids and I could see I wasn't going
> > > to win that battle.
> >
> > Incredible! Some people don't like being near gardening, though. If anyone gets bitten
> > or electrocuted by an eel or something, it kinda has a repel effect from then on.
> >
> Fortunately, my garden doesn't have any eels.

I'm jaded about back yards, though. Now because of shovels, etc.., I don't care about black bears, wolves, bobcats, cougars or grizzlies. But I have been run down by bees from a beehive. Not cool. Also, America has 4 main poisonous snakes: rattlesnakes, copperheads, cottonmouths/water moccasins and coral snakes. Feeling pain from something you can't see or swing away at? No.