Glad I got mine in 2016!

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/03/02/b...ction=Business

John Kuthe, RN, BSN...

On 3/3/2021 7:07 AM, John Kuthe wrote:
> Glad I got mine in 2016!
>
> https://www.nytimes.com/2021/03/02/b...ction=Business
>
> John Kuthe, RN, BSN...
>


At what cost?
https://www.radical-guide.com/protect-thacker-pass/

https://www.carbontax.org/blog/2021/...llion-we-need/

On Wed, 3 Mar 2021 10:42:24 -0500, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:

>On 3/3/2021 7:07 AM, John Kuthe wrote:
>> Glad I got mine in 2016!
>>
>> https://www.nytimes.com/2021/03/02/b...ction=Business
>>
>> John Kuthe, RN, BSN...
>>
>At what cost?
>https://www.radical-guide.com/protect-thacker-pass/
>
>https://www.carbontax.org/blog/2021/...llion-we-need/

So there are problems with electronic vehicles. Are you aware of the
problems with fossil fuel vehicles?

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On Wednesday, March 3, 2021 at 12:15:25 PM UTC-5, Bruce wrote:
> On Wed, 3 Mar 2021 10:42:24 -0500, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>
> >On 3/3/2021 7:07 AM, John Kuthe wrote:
> >> Glad I got mine in 2016!
> >>
> >> https://www.nytimes.com/2021/03/02/b...ction=Business
> >>
> >> John Kuthe, RN, BSN...
> >>
> >At what cost?
> >https://www.radical-guide.com/protect-thacker-pass/
> >
> >https://www.carbontax.org/blog/2021/...llion-we-need/
> So there are problems with electronic vehicles. Are you aware of the
> problems with fossil fuel vehicles?

Ed's aware of both. (The evidence is a recent post of his on alt.home.repair.)

Kuthe seems to think electric vehicles have no externalities and run on fairy dust.

Cindy Hamilton

On Wed, 3 Mar 2021 10:00:28 -0800 (PST), Cindy Hamilton
> wrote:

>On Wednesday, March 3, 2021 at 12:15:25 PM UTC-5, Bruce wrote:
>> On Wed, 3 Mar 2021 10:42:24 -0500, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>>
>> >On 3/3/2021 7:07 AM, John Kuthe wrote:
>> >> Glad I got mine in 2016!
>> >>
>> >> https://www.nytimes.com/2021/03/02/b...ction=Business
>> >>
>> >> John Kuthe, RN, BSN...
>> >>
>> >At what cost?
>> >https://www.radical-guide.com/protect-thacker-pass/
>> >
>> >https://www.carbontax.org/blog/2021/...llion-we-need/
>> So there are problems with electronic vehicles. Are you aware of the
>> problems with fossil fuel vehicles?
>
>Ed's aware of both. (The evidence is a recent post of his on alt.home.repair.)
>
>Kuthe seems to think electric vehicles have no externalities and run on fairy dust.

Ed's always talking like a negative Pelosi about RV's. As if fossil
fuel vehicles aren't a huge problem.

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On 3/3/2021 12:15 PM, Bruce wrote:
> On Wed, 3 Mar 2021 10:42:24 -0500, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>
>> On 3/3/2021 7:07 AM, John Kuthe wrote:
>>> Glad I got mine in 2016!
>>>
>>> https://www.nytimes.com/2021/03/02/b...ction=Business
>>>
>>> John Kuthe, RN, BSN...
>>>
>> At what cost?
>> https://www.radical-guide.com/protect-thacker-pass/
>>
>> https://www.carbontax.org/blog/2021/...llion-we-need/
>
> So there are problems with electronic vehicles. Are you aware of the
> problems with fossil fuel vehicles?
>

Everything has a cost. Be aware of it and then decide what you want to
pay. Some green things are really a muddy brown.

In a few years California won't allow the sale of ICE auto. They can't
keep the lights on as it is, what is the plan to charge them?

Near me there are quite a few apartments going up. One complex has
about a hundred, the other about 300. Not a single charger that I can
see. I guess you drop an extension cord from your 3rd floor apartment.

Plan for the change now. If not, there will be a lot of EVs being towed
to a charging station.

On Wed, 3 Mar 2021 13:12:32 -0500, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:

>On 3/3/2021 12:15 PM, Bruce wrote:
>> On Wed, 3 Mar 2021 10:42:24 -0500, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>>
>>> On 3/3/2021 7:07 AM, John Kuthe wrote:
>>>> Glad I got mine in 2016!
>>>>
>>>> https://www.nytimes.com/2021/03/02/b...ction=Business
>>>>
>>>> John Kuthe, RN, BSN...
>>>>
>>> At what cost?
>>> https://www.radical-guide.com/protect-thacker-pass/
>>>
>>> https://www.carbontax.org/blog/2021/...llion-we-need/
>>
>> So there are problems with electronic vehicles. Are you aware of the
>> problems with fossil fuel vehicles?
>>
>
>Everything has a cost. Be aware of it and then decide what you want to
>pay. Some green things are really a muddy brown.
>
>In a few years California won't allow the sale of ICE auto. They can't
>keep the lights on as it is, what is the plan to charge them?
>
>Near me there are quite a few apartments going up. One complex has
>about a hundred, the other about 300. Not a single charger that I can
>see. I guess you drop an extension cord from your 3rd floor apartment.
>
>Plan for the change now. If not, there will be a lot of EVs being towed
>to a charging station.

The planet's going to shit. We have to become greener. That should be
the starting point of everything.

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On Wednesday, March 3, 2021 at 8:12:45 AM UTC-10, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 3/3/2021 12:15 PM, Bruce wrote:
> > On Wed, 3 Mar 2021 10:42:24 -0500, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
> >
> >> On 3/3/2021 7:07 AM, John Kuthe wrote:
> >>> Glad I got mine in 2016!
> >>>
> >>> https://www.nytimes.com/2021/03/02/b...ction=Business
> >>>
> >>> John Kuthe, RN, BSN...
> >>>
> >> At what cost?
> >> https://www.radical-guide.com/protect-thacker-pass/
> >>
> >> https://www.carbontax.org/blog/2021/...llion-we-need/
> >
> > So there are problems with electronic vehicles. Are you aware of the
> > problems with fossil fuel vehicles?
> >
> Everything has a cost. Be aware of it and then decide what you want to
> pay. Some green things are really a muddy brown.
>
> In a few years California won't allow the sale of ICE auto. They can't
> keep the lights on as it is, what is the plan to charge them?
>
> Near me there are quite a few apartments going up. One complex has
> about a hundred, the other about 300. Not a single charger that I can
> see. I guess you drop an extension cord from your 3rd floor apartment.
>
> Plan for the change now. If not, there will be a lot of EVs being towed
> to a charging station.

My guess is that we'll be using nuclear power in the future for most of our energy. Even the greenies are beginning to realize that it's likely to be the only way to cut fossil fuel usage to zero. OTOH, I've been saying that for a decade.

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/02/25/bill...cceptable.html

On 3/3/2021 10:19 AM, Bruce wrote:
> On Wed, 3 Mar 2021 13:12:32 -0500, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>
>> On 3/3/2021 12:15 PM, Bruce wrote:
>>> On Wed, 3 Mar 2021 10:42:24 -0500, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 3/3/2021 7:07 AM, John Kuthe wrote:
>>>>> Glad I got mine in 2016!
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.nytimes.com/2021/03/02/b...ction=Business
>>>>>
>>>>> John Kuthe, RN, BSN...
>>>>>
>>>> At what cost?
>>>> https://www.radical-guide.com/protect-thacker-pass/
>>>>
>>>> https://www.carbontax.org/blog/2021/...llion-we-need/
>>>
>>> So there are problems with electronic vehicles. Are you aware of the
>>> problems with fossil fuel vehicles?
>>>
>>
>> Everything has a cost. Be aware of it and then decide what you want to
>> pay. Some green things are really a muddy brown.
>>
>> In a few years California won't allow the sale of ICE auto. They can't
>> keep the lights on as it is, what is the plan to charge them?
>>
>> Near me there are quite a few apartments going up. One complex has
>> about a hundred, the other about 300. Not a single charger that I can
>> see. I guess you drop an extension cord from your 3rd floor apartment.
>>
>> Plan for the change now. If not, there will be a lot of EVs being towed
>> to a charging station.
>
> The planet's going to shit. We have to become greener. That should be
> the starting point of everything.
>


The planet has become much greener since 2000. The Sahara Desert has
shrunk by 8% That is CO2 at work.

On 3/3/2021 1:04 PM, Bruce wrote:
> On Wed, 3 Mar 2021 10:00:28 -0800 (PST), Cindy Hamilton
> > wrote:
>
>> On Wednesday, March 3, 2021 at 12:15:25 PM UTC-5, Bruce wrote:
>>> On Wed, 3 Mar 2021 10:42:24 -0500, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 3/3/2021 7:07 AM, John Kuthe wrote:
>>>>> Glad I got mine in 2016!
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.nytimes.com/2021/03/02/b...ction=Business
>>>>>
>>>>> John Kuthe, RN, BSN...
>>>>>
>>>> At what cost?
>>>> https://www.radical-guide.com/protect-thacker-pass/
>>>>
>>>> https://www.carbontax.org/blog/2021/...llion-we-need/
>>> So there are problems with electronic vehicles. Are you aware of the
>>> problems with fossil fuel vehicles?
>>
>> Ed's aware of both. (The evidence is a recent post of his on alt.home.repair.)
>>
>> Kuthe seems to think electric vehicles have no externalities and run on fairy dust.
>
> Ed's always talking like a negative Pelosi about RV's. As if fossil
> fuel vehicles aren't a huge problem.
>
Where did I say that? Now you are making up crap. Just be careful what
you replace fossil fuels with. New technology is being developed and
perhaps we should slow down before tearing up the environment.

On 3/3/2021 1:19 PM, Bruce wrote:
> On Wed, 3 Mar 2021 13:12:32 -0500, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>
>> On 3/3/2021 12:15 PM, Bruce wrote:
>>> On Wed, 3 Mar 2021 10:42:24 -0500, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 3/3/2021 7:07 AM, John Kuthe wrote:
>>>>> Glad I got mine in 2016!
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.nytimes.com/2021/03/02/b...ction=Business
>>>>>
>>>>> John Kuthe, RN, BSN...
>>>>>
>>>> At what cost?
>>>> https://www.radical-guide.com/protect-thacker-pass/
>>>>
>>>> https://www.carbontax.org/blog/2021/...llion-we-need/
>>>
>>> So there are problems with electronic vehicles. Are you aware of the
>>> problems with fossil fuel vehicles?
>>>
>>
>> Everything has a cost. Be aware of it and then decide what you want to
>> pay. Some green things are really a muddy brown.
>>
>> In a few years California won't allow the sale of ICE auto. They can't
>> keep the lights on as it is, what is the plan to charge them?
>>
>> Near me there are quite a few apartments going up. One complex has
>> about a hundred, the other about 300. Not a single charger that I can
>> see. I guess you drop an extension cord from your 3rd floor apartment.
>>
>> Plan for the change now. If not, there will be a lot of EVs being towed
>> to a charging station.
>
> The planet's going to shit. We have to become greener. That should be
> the starting point of everything.
>

Sure, but do it right and know the consequences.

On Wed, 3 Mar 2021 14:48:13 -0500, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:

>On 3/3/2021 1:04 PM, Bruce wrote:
>> On Wed, 3 Mar 2021 10:00:28 -0800 (PST), Cindy Hamilton
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> On Wednesday, March 3, 2021 at 12:15:25 PM UTC-5, Bruce wrote:
>>>> On Wed, 3 Mar 2021 10:42:24 -0500, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 3/3/2021 7:07 AM, John Kuthe wrote:
>>>>>> Glad I got mine in 2016!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://www.nytimes.com/2021/03/02/b...ction=Business
>>>>>>
>>>>>> John Kuthe, RN, BSN...
>>>>>>
>>>>> At what cost?
>>>>> https://www.radical-guide.com/protect-thacker-pass/
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.carbontax.org/blog/2021/...llion-we-need/
>>>> So there are problems with electronic vehicles. Are you aware of the
>>>> problems with fossil fuel vehicles?
>>>
>>> Ed's aware of both. (The evidence is a recent post of his on alt.home.repair.)
>>>
>>> Kuthe seems to think electric vehicles have no externalities and run on fairy dust.
>>
>> Ed's always talking like a negative Pelosi about RV's. As if fossil
>> fuel vehicles aren't a huge problem.
>>
>Where did I say that? Now you are making up crap. Just be careful what
>you replace fossil fuels with. New technology is being developed and
>perhaps we should slow down before tearing up the environment.

You're always going on against EVs, as if you're change resistant. We
shouldn't slow down. We're going way too slow.

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On Wed, 3 Mar 2021 11:36:34 -0800, Taxed and Spent
> wrote:

>On 3/3/2021 10:19 AM, Bruce wrote:
>> On Wed, 3 Mar 2021 13:12:32 -0500, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>>
>>> On 3/3/2021 12:15 PM, Bruce wrote:
>>>> On Wed, 3 Mar 2021 10:42:24 -0500, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 3/3/2021 7:07 AM, John Kuthe wrote:
>>>>>> Glad I got mine in 2016!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://www.nytimes.com/2021/03/02/b...ction=Business
>>>>>>
>>>>>> John Kuthe, RN, BSN...
>>>>>>
>>>>> At what cost?
>>>>> https://www.radical-guide.com/protect-thacker-pass/
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.carbontax.org/blog/2021/...llion-we-need/
>>>>
>>>> So there are problems with electronic vehicles. Are you aware of the
>>>> problems with fossil fuel vehicles?
>>>>
>>>
>>> Everything has a cost. Be aware of it and then decide what you want to
>>> pay. Some green things are really a muddy brown.
>>>
>>> In a few years California won't allow the sale of ICE auto. They can't
>>> keep the lights on as it is, what is the plan to charge them?
>>>
>>> Near me there are quite a few apartments going up. One complex has
>>> about a hundred, the other about 300. Not a single charger that I can
>>> see. I guess you drop an extension cord from your 3rd floor apartment.
>>>
>>> Plan for the change now. If not, there will be a lot of EVs being towed
>>> to a charging station.
>>
>> The planet's going to shit. We have to become greener. That should be
>> the starting point of everything.
>>
>
>
>The planet has become much greener since 2000. The Sahara Desert has
>shrunk by 8% That is CO2 at work.

You probably don't believe in climate change either.

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On Wed, 3 Mar 2021 04:07:51 -0800 (PST), John Kuthe >
wrote:

>Glad I got mine in 2016!
>
>https://www.nytimes.com/2021/03/02/b...ction=Business
>
>John Kuthe, RN, BSN...

OOOhh, tHe EvS ArE CoMiNG!!!
Welcome to more than a decade ago, imbecile.


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On 03/03/2021 18:29, dsi1 wrote:
> On Wednesday, March 3, 2021 at 8:12:45 AM UTC-10, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>> On 3/3/2021 12:15 PM, Bruce wrote:
>>> On Wed, 3 Mar 2021 10:42:24 -0500, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 3/3/2021 7:07 AM, John Kuthe wrote:
>>>>> Glad I got mine in 2016!
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.nytimes.com/2021/03/02/b...ction=Business
>>>>>
>>>>> John Kuthe, RN, BSN...
>>>>>
>>>> At what cost?
>>>> https://www.radical-guide.com/protect-thacker-pass/
>>>>
>>>> https://www.carbontax.org/blog/2021/...llion-we-need/
>>>
>>> So there are problems with electronic vehicles. Are you aware of the
>>> problems with fossil fuel vehicles?
>>>
>> Everything has a cost. Be aware of it and then decide what you want to
>> pay. Some green things are really a muddy brown.
>>
>> In a few years California won't allow the sale of ICE auto. They can't
>> keep the lights on as it is, what is the plan to charge them?
>>
>> Near me there are quite a few apartments going up. One complex has
>> about a hundred, the other about 300. Not a single charger that I can
>> see. I guess you drop an extension cord from your 3rd floor apartment.
>>
>> Plan for the change now. If not, there will be a lot of EVs being towed
>> to a charging station.
>
> My guess is that we'll be using nuclear power in the future for most of our energy. Even the greenies are beginning to realize that it's likely to be the only way to cut fossil fuel usage to zero. OTOH, I've been saying that for a decade.
>
> https://www.cnbc.com/2021/02/25/bill...cceptable.html
>

======

LOL well it still might be right))

On Wed, 3 Mar 2021 21:16:45 +0000, Ophelia >
wrote:

>On 03/03/2021 18:29, dsi1 wrote:
>> On Wednesday, March 3, 2021 at 8:12:45 AM UTC-10, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>>> On 3/3/2021 12:15 PM, Bruce wrote:
>>>> On Wed, 3 Mar 2021 10:42:24 -0500, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 3/3/2021 7:07 AM, John Kuthe wrote:
>>>>>> Glad I got mine in 2016!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://www.nytimes.com/2021/03/02/b...ction=Business
>>>>>>
>>>>>> John Kuthe, RN, BSN...
>>>>>>
>>>>> At what cost?
>>>>> https://www.radical-guide.com/protect-thacker-pass/
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.carbontax.org/blog/2021/...llion-we-need/
>>>>
>>>> So there are problems with electronic vehicles. Are you aware of the
>>>> problems with fossil fuel vehicles?
>>>>
>>> Everything has a cost. Be aware of it and then decide what you want to
>>> pay. Some green things are really a muddy brown.
>>>
>>> In a few years California won't allow the sale of ICE auto. They can't
>>> keep the lights on as it is, what is the plan to charge them?
>>>
>>> Near me there are quite a few apartments going up. One complex has
>>> about a hundred, the other about 300. Not a single charger that I can
>>> see. I guess you drop an extension cord from your 3rd floor apartment.
>>>
>>> Plan for the change now. If not, there will be a lot of EVs being towed
>>> to a charging station.
>>
>> My guess is that we'll be using nuclear power in the future for most of our energy. Even the greenies are beginning to realize that it's likely to be the only way to cut fossil fuel usage to zero. OTOH, I've been saying that for a decade.
>>
>> https://www.cnbc.com/2021/02/25/bill...cceptable.html
>>
>
>======
>
> LOL well it still might be right))
>
>

lol

On 3/3/2021 3:11 PM, Bruce wrote:
> On Wed, 3 Mar 2021 14:48:13 -0500, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>
>> On 3/3/2021 1:04 PM, Bruce wrote:
>>> On Wed, 3 Mar 2021 10:00:28 -0800 (PST), Cindy Hamilton
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Wednesday, March 3, 2021 at 12:15:25 PM UTC-5, Bruce wrote:
>>>>> On Wed, 3 Mar 2021 10:42:24 -0500, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 3/3/2021 7:07 AM, John Kuthe wrote:
>>>>>>> Glad I got mine in 2016!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://www.nytimes.com/2021/03/02/b...ction=Business
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> John Kuthe, RN, BSN...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> At what cost?
>>>>>> https://www.radical-guide.com/protect-thacker-pass/
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://www.carbontax.org/blog/2021/...llion-we-need/
>>>>> So there are problems with electronic vehicles. Are you aware of the
>>>>> problems with fossil fuel vehicles?
>>>>
>>>> Ed's aware of both. (The evidence is a recent post of his on alt.home.repair.)
>>>>
>>>> Kuthe seems to think electric vehicles have no externalities and run on fairy dust.
>>>
>>> Ed's always talking like a negative Pelosi about RV's. As if fossil
>>> fuel vehicles aren't a huge problem.
>>>
>> Where did I say that? Now you are making up crap. Just be careful what
>> you replace fossil fuels with. New technology is being developed and
>> perhaps we should slow down before tearing up the environment.
>
> You're always going on against EVs, as if you're change resistant. We
> shouldn't slow down. We're going way too slow.
>

Fine, but do it right. At least they seem to have gotten past the child
labor sources for most of the battery chemicals. Some progress is being
made with recycling the batteries too. What do you think of the mining
in Thacker Pass? That sounds like it could be a disaster for the region.

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/ch...ric-cars-work/

On Wed, 3 Mar 2021 17:31:33 -0500, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:

>On 3/3/2021 3:11 PM, Bruce wrote:
>> On Wed, 3 Mar 2021 14:48:13 -0500, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>>>>
>>> Where did I say that? Now you are making up crap. Just be careful what
>>> you replace fossil fuels with. New technology is being developed and
>>> perhaps we should slow down before tearing up the environment.
>>
>> You're always going on against EVs, as if you're change resistant. We
>> shouldn't slow down. We're going way too slow.
>>
>
>Fine, but do it right. At least they seem to have gotten past the child
>labor sources for most of the battery chemicals. Some progress is being
>made with recycling the batteries too. What do you think of the mining
>in Thacker Pass? That sounds like it could be a disaster for the region.
>
>https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/ch...ric-cars-work/

I've never heard of Thacker Pass, but it sounds bad. But even though
there are problems to be solved, it's still the only way to go. It's
good to mention those problems, but we can't discard the entire idea.

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On 3/3/2021 2:39 PM, Bruce wrote:
> On Wed, 3 Mar 2021 17:31:33 -0500, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>
>> On 3/3/2021 3:11 PM, Bruce wrote:
>>> On Wed, 3 Mar 2021 14:48:13 -0500, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>> Where did I say that? Now you are making up crap. Just be careful what
>>>> you replace fossil fuels with. New technology is being developed and
>>>> perhaps we should slow down before tearing up the environment.
>>>
>>> You're always going on against EVs, as if you're change resistant. We
>>> shouldn't slow down. We're going way too slow.
>>>
>>
>> Fine, but do it right. At least they seem to have gotten past the child
>> labor sources for most of the battery chemicals. Some progress is being
>> made with recycling the batteries too. What do you think of the mining
>> in Thacker Pass? That sounds like it could be a disaster for the region.
>>
>> https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/ch...ric-cars-work/
>
> I've never heard of Thacker Pass, but it sounds bad. But even though
> there are problems to be solved, it's still the only way to go. It's
> good to mention those problems, but we can't discard the entire idea.
>


Electric cars and electric storage will only become a real reality when
such batteries are developed which are based on cheap and common materials.

On Wed, 3 Mar 2021 14:46:33 -0800, Taxed and Spent
> wrote:

>On 3/3/2021 2:39 PM, Bruce wrote:
>> On Wed, 3 Mar 2021 17:31:33 -0500, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>>
>>> On 3/3/2021 3:11 PM, Bruce wrote:
>>>> On Wed, 3 Mar 2021 14:48:13 -0500, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>> Where did I say that? Now you are making up crap. Just be careful what
>>>>> you replace fossil fuels with. New technology is being developed and
>>>>> perhaps we should slow down before tearing up the environment.
>>>>
>>>> You're always going on against EVs, as if you're change resistant. We
>>>> shouldn't slow down. We're going way too slow.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Fine, but do it right. At least they seem to have gotten past the child
>>> labor sources for most of the battery chemicals. Some progress is being
>>> made with recycling the batteries too. What do you think of the mining
>>> in Thacker Pass? That sounds like it could be a disaster for the region.
>>>
>>> https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/ch...ric-cars-work/
>>
>> I've never heard of Thacker Pass, but it sounds bad. But even though
>> there are problems to be solved, it's still the only way to go. It's
>> good to mention those problems, but we can't discard the entire idea.
>>
>Electric cars and electric storage will only become a real reality when
>such batteries are developed which are based on cheap and common materials.

It will happen and it is happening. I forgot which big car brand is
completely changing focus to electric.

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On 3/3/2021 2:56 PM, Bruce wrote:
> On Wed, 3 Mar 2021 14:46:33 -0800, Taxed and Spent
> > wrote:
>
>> On 3/3/2021 2:39 PM, Bruce wrote:
>>> On Wed, 3 Mar 2021 17:31:33 -0500, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 3/3/2021 3:11 PM, Bruce wrote:
>>>>> On Wed, 3 Mar 2021 14:48:13 -0500, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Where did I say that? Now you are making up crap. Just be careful what
>>>>>> you replace fossil fuels with. New technology is being developed and
>>>>>> perhaps we should slow down before tearing up the environment.
>>>>>
>>>>> You're always going on against EVs, as if you're change resistant. We
>>>>> shouldn't slow down. We're going way too slow.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Fine, but do it right. At least they seem to have gotten past the child
>>>> labor sources for most of the battery chemicals. Some progress is being
>>>> made with recycling the batteries too. What do you think of the mining
>>>> in Thacker Pass? That sounds like it could be a disaster for the region.
>>>>
>>>> https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/ch...ric-cars-work/
>>>
>>> I've never heard of Thacker Pass, but it sounds bad. But even though
>>> there are problems to be solved, it's still the only way to go. It's
>>> good to mention those problems, but we can't discard the entire idea.
>>>
>> Electric cars and electric storage will only become a real reality when
>> such batteries are developed which are based on cheap and common materials.
>
> It will happen and it is happening. I forgot which big car brand is
> completely changing focus to electric.
>

Don't you think they are watching battery technology research developments?

On Wed, 3 Mar 2021 14:58:48 -0800, Taxed and Spent
> wrote:

>On 3/3/2021 2:56 PM, Bruce wrote:
>> On Wed, 3 Mar 2021 14:46:33 -0800, Taxed and Spent
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> On 3/3/2021 2:39 PM, Bruce wrote:
>>>> On Wed, 3 Mar 2021 17:31:33 -0500, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 3/3/2021 3:11 PM, Bruce wrote:
>>>>>> On Wed, 3 Mar 2021 14:48:13 -0500, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Where did I say that? Now you are making up crap. Just be careful what
>>>>>>> you replace fossil fuels with. New technology is being developed and
>>>>>>> perhaps we should slow down before tearing up the environment.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You're always going on against EVs, as if you're change resistant. We
>>>>>> shouldn't slow down. We're going way too slow.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Fine, but do it right. At least they seem to have gotten past the child
>>>>> labor sources for most of the battery chemicals. Some progress is being
>>>>> made with recycling the batteries too. What do you think of the mining
>>>>> in Thacker Pass? That sounds like it could be a disaster for the region.
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/ch...ric-cars-work/
>>>>
>>>> I've never heard of Thacker Pass, but it sounds bad. But even though
>>>> there are problems to be solved, it's still the only way to go. It's
>>>> good to mention those problems, but we can't discard the entire idea.
>>>>
>>> Electric cars and electric storage will only become a real reality when
>>> such batteries are developed which are based on cheap and common materials.
>>
>> It will happen and it is happening. I forgot which big car brand is
>> completely changing focus to electric.
>>
>
>Don't you think they are watching battery technology research developments?

Yes, they will be.

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On 3/3/2021 3:07 PM, Bruce wrote:
> On Wed, 3 Mar 2021 14:58:48 -0800, Taxed and Spent
> > wrote:
>
>> On 3/3/2021 2:56 PM, Bruce wrote:
>>> On Wed, 3 Mar 2021 14:46:33 -0800, Taxed and Spent
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 3/3/2021 2:39 PM, Bruce wrote:
>>>>> On Wed, 3 Mar 2021 17:31:33 -0500, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 3/3/2021 3:11 PM, Bruce wrote:
>>>>>>> On Wed, 3 Mar 2021 14:48:13 -0500, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Where did I say that? Now you are making up crap. Just be careful what
>>>>>>>> you replace fossil fuels with. New technology is being developed and
>>>>>>>> perhaps we should slow down before tearing up the environment.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You're always going on against EVs, as if you're change resistant. We
>>>>>>> shouldn't slow down. We're going way too slow.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Fine, but do it right. At least they seem to have gotten past the child
>>>>>> labor sources for most of the battery chemicals. Some progress is being
>>>>>> made with recycling the batteries too. What do you think of the mining
>>>>>> in Thacker Pass? That sounds like it could be a disaster for the region.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/ch...ric-cars-work/
>>>>>
>>>>> I've never heard of Thacker Pass, but it sounds bad. But even though
>>>>> there are problems to be solved, it's still the only way to go. It's
>>>>> good to mention those problems, but we can't discard the entire idea.
>>>>>
>>>> Electric cars and electric storage will only become a real reality when
>>>> such batteries are developed which are based on cheap and common materials.
>>>
>>> It will happen and it is happening. I forgot which big car brand is
>>> completely changing focus to electric.
>>>
>>
>> Don't you think they are watching battery technology research developments?
>
> Yes, they will be.
>

They ARE now. They wouldn't bet the farm on lithium.

On 3/3/2021 4:07 AM, Gibbering Loon KOOKthe wrote:

> G

You need to be permanently disqualified from all future employment,
you vile sick loser.

THIS ISN'T YOUR PERSONAL MESSAGE BOARD, YOU BRAINDEAD ****TARD!

NOBODY CARES ABOUT YOUR CHILDISH GARBAGE, DUMB****!

You're still an unemployable failure and always will be!

You are a waste of air.

Nobody gives a shit about your house.
Nobody gives a shit about your sound system.
Nobody gives a shit about your car.
Nobody gives a shit about your exercise.
Nobody gives a shit about your weather.
Nobody gives a shit about your chronic unemployment.
Nobody gives a shit about your mental illness.
Nobody gives a shit about your feeble attempts at "cooking."
Nobody gives a shit about your pointless pathetic "obsessions."
Nobody gives a shit about your life.

NOBODY GIVES A SHIT ABOUT YOU. SHUT THE **** UP AND LEAVE!

On Wed, 3 Mar 2021 15:10:05 -0800, Taxed and Spent
> wrote:

>On 3/3/2021 3:07 PM, Bruce wrote:
>> On Wed, 3 Mar 2021 14:58:48 -0800, Taxed and Spent
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> On 3/3/2021 2:56 PM, Bruce wrote:
>>>> On Wed, 3 Mar 2021 14:46:33 -0800, Taxed and Spent
>>>> > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 3/3/2021 2:39 PM, Bruce wrote:
>>>>>> On Wed, 3 Mar 2021 17:31:33 -0500, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 3/3/2021 3:11 PM, Bruce wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Wed, 3 Mar 2021 14:48:13 -0500, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Where did I say that? Now you are making up crap. Just be careful what
>>>>>>>>> you replace fossil fuels with. New technology is being developed and
>>>>>>>>> perhaps we should slow down before tearing up the environment.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You're always going on against EVs, as if you're change resistant. We
>>>>>>>> shouldn't slow down. We're going way too slow.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Fine, but do it right. At least they seem to have gotten past the child
>>>>>>> labor sources for most of the battery chemicals. Some progress is being
>>>>>>> made with recycling the batteries too. What do you think of the mining
>>>>>>> in Thacker Pass? That sounds like it could be a disaster for the region.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/ch...ric-cars-work/
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I've never heard of Thacker Pass, but it sounds bad. But even though
>>>>>> there are problems to be solved, it's still the only way to go. It's
>>>>>> good to mention those problems, but we can't discard the entire idea.
>>>>>>
>>>>> Electric cars and electric storage will only become a real reality when
>>>>> such batteries are developed which are based on cheap and common materials.
>>>>
>>>> It will happen and it is happening. I forgot which big car brand is
>>>> completely changing focus to electric.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Don't you think they are watching battery technology research developments?
>>
>> Yes, they will be.
>>
>
>They ARE now. They wouldn't bet the farm on lithium.

I don't know why you think this is news.

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On 3/3/2021 5:39 PM, Bruce wrote:
> On Wed, 3 Mar 2021 17:31:33 -0500, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>
>> On 3/3/2021 3:11 PM, Bruce wrote:
>>> On Wed, 3 Mar 2021 14:48:13 -0500, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>> Where did I say that? Now you are making up crap. Just be careful what
>>>> you replace fossil fuels with. New technology is being developed and
>>>> perhaps we should slow down before tearing up the environment.
>>>
>>> You're always going on against EVs, as if you're change resistant. We
>>> shouldn't slow down. We're going way too slow.
>>>
>>
>> Fine, but do it right. At least they seem to have gotten past the child
>> labor sources for most of the battery chemicals. Some progress is being
>> made with recycling the batteries too. What do you think of the mining
>> in Thacker Pass? That sounds like it could be a disaster for the region.
>>
>> https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/ch...ric-cars-work/
>
> I've never heard of Thacker Pass, but it sounds bad. But even though
> there are problems to be solved, it's still the only way to go. It's
> good to mention those problems, but we can't discard the entire idea.
>

It sounds terrible and that is why I posted a link you probably ignored.
Sounds like not enough water in a very dry state to process the lithium.

My point is, you don't solve a problem by creating a bigger one.

On Wed, 3 Mar 2021 19:27:25 -0500, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:

>On 3/3/2021 5:39 PM, Bruce wrote:
>> On Wed, 3 Mar 2021 17:31:33 -0500, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>>
>>> On 3/3/2021 3:11 PM, Bruce wrote:
>>>> On Wed, 3 Mar 2021 14:48:13 -0500, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>> Where did I say that? Now you are making up crap. Just be careful what
>>>>> you replace fossil fuels with. New technology is being developed and
>>>>> perhaps we should slow down before tearing up the environment.
>>>>
>>>> You're always going on against EVs, as if you're change resistant. We
>>>> shouldn't slow down. We're going way too slow.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Fine, but do it right. At least they seem to have gotten past the child
>>> labor sources for most of the battery chemicals. Some progress is being
>>> made with recycling the batteries too. What do you think of the mining
>>> in Thacker Pass? That sounds like it could be a disaster for the region.
>>>
>>> https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/ch...ric-cars-work/
>>
>> I've never heard of Thacker Pass, but it sounds bad. But even though
>> there are problems to be solved, it's still the only way to go. It's
>> good to mention those problems, but we can't discard the entire idea.
>>
>
>It sounds terrible and that is why I posted a link you probably ignored.
> Sounds like not enough water in a very dry state to process the lithium.
>
>My point is, you don't solve a problem by creating a bigger one.

Solving the very local "Thacker Pass" problem seems a lot more
feasible than solving the problem of worldwide pollution from fossil
fuel vehicles.

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On 3/3/2021 1:48 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 3/3/2021 1:19 PM, Bruce wrote:
>> On Wed, 3 Mar 2021 13:12:32 -0500, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>>
>>> On 3/3/2021 12:15 PM, Bruce wrote:
>>>> On Wed, 3 Mar 2021 10:42:24 -0500, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 3/3/2021 7:07 AM, John Kuthe wrote:
>>>>>> Glad I got mine in 2016!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://www.nytimes.com/2021/03/02/b...ction=Business
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> John Kuthe, RN, BSN...
>>>>>>
>>>>> At what cost?
>>>>> https://www.radical-guide.com/protect-thacker-pass/
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.carbontax.org/blog/2021/...llion-we-need/
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> So there are problems with electronic vehicles. Are you aware of the
>>>> problems with fossil fuel vehicles?
>>>>
>>>
>>> Everything has a cost.Â* Be aware of it and then decide what you want to
>>> pay.Â* Some green things are really a muddy brown.
>>>
>>> In a few years California won't allow the sale of ICE auto.Â* They can't
>>> keep the lights on as it is, what is the plan to charge them?
>>>
>>> Near me there are quite a few apartments going up.Â* One complex has
>>> about a hundred, the other about 300.Â* Not a single charger that I can
>>> see.Â* I guess you drop an extension cord from your 3rd floor apartment.
>>>
>>> Plan for the change now.Â* If not, there will be a lot of EVs being towed
>>> to a charging station.
>>
>> The planet's going to shit. We have to become greener. That should be
>> the starting point of everything.
>>
>
> Sure, but do it right and know the consequences.
>
Plug in hybrids have been the obvious answer for the transition, and
should be sold with minimal battery capacity, with plenty of room for
adding additional battery modules. My commute to/from my job is 4-8
minutes, depending on traffic, and my wife's is 3 minutes there, 4
minutes back, the difference being because we live on a one way street.

You and Bruce are both correct. The auto manufacturers who have
committed to 100% EVs by whenever are hopeful that by doing so they
will incentivize greater investment in innovation of battery technology
and installation of charging stations. That's all fine for city
dwellers, but we're a long way from EVs having the kind of range for a
trip from St. Louis to Chicago.

There is plenty of wind and sunlight, but windmills and solar panels
require a lot of investment and time to be built. I'm all for doing
so with "all deliberate speed," a *moonshot*, but I'm not optimistic
about the abilities, and even less so about the will of the ignorant,
climate change denying crazies to not put up every obstacle they can.
https://energynews.us/2020/04/30/mid...press-project/


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tested on laboratory animals.

On 3/3/2021 7:51 PM, BryanGSimmons wrote:
> The auto manufacturers who have
> committed to 100% EVs by whenever are hopeful that by doing so they
> will incentivize greater investment in innovation of battery technology
> and installation of charging stations.

I really hate to enter this minor fray but your point about the
installation of charging stations in spot on. I live on one of a series
of islands off the coast of southern South Carolina. There aren't any
charging stations, nor are there likely to be any for a very long time.
Let's say I wanted to go shopping in Savannah, GA. That's about 125
miles round trip. If my vehicle needed a charge to get me home, SOL!
Even in town, SOL.

Ed also mentioned elsewhere in this thread, battery needs charging and
no charging stations? You have to call and wait for a tow to a charging
station. Yeah, good luck with that.

Jill

On Wed, 3 Mar 2021 20:32:55 -0500, jmcquown >
wrote:

>On 3/3/2021 7:51 PM, BryanGSimmons wrote:
>> The auto manufacturers who have
>> committed to 100% EVs by whenever are hopeful that by doing so they
>> will incentivize greater investment in innovation of battery technology
>> and installation of charging stations.
>
>I really hate to enter this minor fray but your point about the
>installation of charging stations in spot on. I live on one of a series
>of islands off the coast of southern South Carolina. There aren't any
>charging stations, nor are there likely to be any for a very long time.
> Let's say I wanted to go shopping in Savannah, GA. That's about 125
>miles round trip. If my vehicle needed a charge to get me home, SOL!
>Even in town, SOL.
>
>Ed also mentioned elsewhere in this thread, battery needs charging and
>no charging stations? You have to call and wait for a tow to a charging
>station. Yeah, good luck with that.

There are practical problems that need to be solved, but there's no
alternative, unless we all start driving around with a little nuclear
reactor in the back. Fossil fuel is a dead end street.

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On 3/3/2021 8:47 PM, Bruce wrote:
> On Wed, 3 Mar 2021 20:32:55 -0500, jmcquown >
> wrote:
>
>> On 3/3/2021 7:51 PM, BryanGSimmons wrote:
>>> The auto manufacturers who have
>>> committed to 100% EVs by whenever are hopeful that by doing so they
>>> will incentivize greater investment in innovation of battery technology
>>> and installation of charging stations.
>>
>> I really hate to enter this minor fray but your point about the
>> installation of charging stations in spot on. I live on one of a series
>> of islands off the coast of southern South Carolina. There aren't any
>> charging stations, nor are there likely to be any for a very long time.
>> Let's say I wanted to go shopping in Savannah, GA. That's about 125
>> miles round trip. If my vehicle needed a charge to get me home, SOL!
>> Even in town, SOL.
>>
>> Ed also mentioned elsewhere in this thread, battery needs charging and
>> no charging stations? You have to call and wait for a tow to a charging
>> station. Yeah, good luck with that.
>
> There are practical problems that need to be solved, but there's no
> alternative, unless we all start driving around with a little nuclear
> reactor in the back. Fossil fuel is a dead end street.
>

That was meant to be funny but it is not. They are making batteries now
from nuclear waste. So far, just small ones for use in places where
changing or charging is not easily done. Satellites for one instance,
the other implanted medical devices. One possibility is an electric car
that never needs charging.

On 3/3/2021 8:32 PM, jmcquown wrote:
> On 3/3/2021 7:51 PM, BryanGSimmons wrote:
>> The auto manufacturers who have
>> committed to 100% EVs by whenever are hopeful that by doing so they
>> will incentivize greater investment in innovation of battery technology
>> and installation of charging stations.
>
> I really hate to enter this minor fray but your point about the
> installation of charging stations in spot on.Â* I live on one of a series
> of islands off the coast of southern South Carolina.Â* There aren't any
> charging stations, nor are there likely to be any for a very long time.
> Â*Let's say I wanted to go shopping in Savannah, GA.Â* That's about 125
> miles round trip.Â* If my vehicle needed a charge to get me home, SOL!
> Even in town, SOL.
>
> Ed also mentioned elsewhere in this thread, battery needs charging and
> no charging stations?Â* You have to call and wait for a tow to a charging
> station.Â* Yeah, good luck with that.
>
> Jill

There are cars now with 250 mile range and a 10 hour charge time at 240
volts. One example is Chevy Bolt for $37,000. Tesla has a long range
model. 375 miles and price starts at $82,000

For many, especially if you have two cars, that is plenty of range. Not
so good for long trips. There are charging stations at most highway
rest stops on I95 but how long do you want to hang out there when you
want to do an 850 mile day?

On Wednesday, March 3, 2021 at 8:33:10 PM UTC-5, wrote:
> On 3/3/2021 7:51 PM, BryanGSimmons wrote:
> > The auto manufacturers who have
> > committed to 100% EVs by whenever are hopeful that by doing so they
> > will incentivize greater investment in innovation of battery technology
> > and installation of charging stations.
> I really hate to enter this minor fray but your point about the
> installation of charging stations in spot on. I live on one of a series
> of islands off the coast of southern South Carolina. There aren't any
> charging stations, nor are there likely to be any for a very long time.
> Let's say I wanted to go shopping in Savannah, GA. That's about 125
> miles round trip. If my vehicle needed a charge to get me home, SOL!
> Even in town, SOL.

Let's say you skip driving 125 miles just to go shopping. What is there
in Savannah that you can't get online?

Cindy Hamilton

On 03/03/2021 22:56, Bruce wrote:
> On Wed, 3 Mar 2021 14:46:33 -0800, Taxed and Spent
> > wrote:
>
>> On 3/3/2021 2:39 PM, Bruce wrote:
>>> On Wed, 3 Mar 2021 17:31:33 -0500, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 3/3/2021 3:11 PM, Bruce wrote:
>>>>> On Wed, 3 Mar 2021 14:48:13 -0500, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Where did I say that? Now you are making up crap. Just be careful what
>>>>>> you replace fossil fuels with. New technology is being developed and
>>>>>> perhaps we should slow down before tearing up the environment.
>>>>>
>>>>> You're always going on against EVs, as if you're change resistant. We
>>>>> shouldn't slow down. We're going way too slow.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Fine, but do it right. At least they seem to have gotten past the child
>>>> labor sources for most of the battery chemicals. Some progress is being
>>>> made with recycling the batteries too. What do you think of the mining
>>>> in Thacker Pass? That sounds like it could be a disaster for the region.
>>>>
>>>> https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/ch...ric-cars-work/
>>>
>>> I've never heard of Thacker Pass, but it sounds bad. But even though
>>> there are problems to be solved, it's still the only way to go. It's
>>> good to mention those problems, but we can't discard the entire idea.
>>>
>> Electric cars and electric storage will only become a real reality when
>> such batteries are developed which are based on cheap and common materials.
>
> It will happen and it is happening. I forgot which big car brand is
> completely changing focus to electric.
>

=====

Most of the car adverts on the tv here are about electric cars!

On Thursday, March 4, 2021 at 8:28:28 AM UTC-5, Ophelia wrote:
> On 03/03/2021 22:56, Bruce wrote:
> > On Wed, 3 Mar 2021 14:46:33 -0800, Taxed and Spent
> > > wrote:
> >
> >> On 3/3/2021 2:39 PM, Bruce wrote:
> >>> On Wed, 3 Mar 2021 17:31:33 -0500, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> On 3/3/2021 3:11 PM, Bruce wrote:
> >>>>> On Wed, 3 Mar 2021 14:48:13 -0500, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>> Where did I say that? Now you are making up crap. Just be careful what
> >>>>>> you replace fossil fuels with. New technology is being developed and
> >>>>>> perhaps we should slow down before tearing up the environment.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> You're always going on against EVs, as if you're change resistant. We
> >>>>> shouldn't slow down. We're going way too slow.
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Fine, but do it right. At least they seem to have gotten past the child
> >>>> labor sources for most of the battery chemicals. Some progress is being
> >>>> made with recycling the batteries too. What do you think of the mining
> >>>> in Thacker Pass? That sounds like it could be a disaster for the region.
> >>>>
> >>>> https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/ch...ric-cars-work/
> >>>
> >>> I've never heard of Thacker Pass, but it sounds bad. But even though
> >>> there are problems to be solved, it's still the only way to go. It's
> >>> good to mention those problems, but we can't discard the entire idea.
> >>>
> >> Electric cars and electric storage will only become a real reality when
> >> such batteries are developed which are based on cheap and common materials.
> >
> > It will happen and it is happening. I forgot which big car brand is
> > completely changing focus to electric.
> >
> =====
>
> Most of the car adverts on the tv here are about electric cars!

Gasoline here has recently shot up to $2.79 a (U.S.) gallon. So that's
$2.79 for 3.8 litres, or about 2 GBP for about 4 litres of gasoline
(if Google and my creaky algebra skills are to be believed).

I think you can see why EVs are having a tough time in the U.S.

Cindy Hamilton

On 2021-03-04 9:28 a.m., Cindy Hamilton wrote:

>> Most of the car adverts on the tv here are about electric cars!
>
> Gasoline here has recently shot up to $2.79 a (U.S.) gallon. So that's
> $2.79 for 3.8 litres, or about 2 GBP for about 4 litres of gasoline
> (if Google and my creaky algebra skills are to be believed).
>
> I think you can see why EVs are having a tough time in the U.S.
>

Consumers are funny and often look only at the immediate situation.
When gas prices are high the price of gas guzzling cars and pickups
drop and people look at smaller, more fuel efficient vehicles. As soon
as the price of gas drops they rush out to get the big cars and pickups.
They all know that the price of gas is only going to go up, but they
only really care about what it is at the time.

Bruce wrote:

> Taxed and Spent wrote:
>> The planet has become much greener since 2000. The Sahara Desert has
>> shrunk by 8% That is CO2 at work.
>
> You probably don't believe in climate change either.

The earth has been doing that long before humans. It's a cyclic event.
Global warming started about 10,000 years ago when the last ice age ended.

Granted, humans in the past 100 years are speeding it up a bit but it
will continue to happen even without us. One more good pandemic and the
earth will be without our worthless species and it will go back to
normal usual cycles and heal itself.

Mother Earth is the Alpha in the long run.
Humans are nothing more than fleas on the dog.

Just ask the dinosaurs that thrived here way longer than humans have.

Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> They are making
batteries now
> from nuclear waste. So far, just small ones for use in places where
> changing or charging is not easily done. Satellites for one instance,
> the other implanted medical devices. One possibility is an electric car
> that never needs charging.

Glad to hear that.
I think nuclear energy is a good thing. Research should concentrate
on using the nuclear waste. If it remains radioactive for years,
there's still plenty of energy waiting to be harnessed.

On Wed, 3 Mar 2021 23:03:39 -0500, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:

>On 3/3/2021 8:32 PM, jmcquown wrote:
>> On 3/3/2021 7:51 PM, BryanGSimmons wrote:
>>> The auto manufacturers who have
>>> committed to 100% EVs by whenever are hopeful that by doing so they
>>> will incentivize greater investment in innovation of battery technology
>>> and installation of charging stations.
>>
>> I really hate to enter this minor fray but your point about the
>> installation of charging stations in spot on.* I live on one of a series
>> of islands off the coast of southern South Carolina.* There aren't any
>> charging stations, nor are there likely to be any for a very long time.
>> *Let's say I wanted to go shopping in Savannah, GA.* That's about 125
>> miles round trip.* If my vehicle needed a charge to get me home, SOL!
>> Even in town, SOL.
>>
>> Ed also mentioned elsewhere in this thread, battery needs charging and
>> no charging stations?* You have to call and wait for a tow to a charging
>> station.* Yeah, good luck with that.
>>
>> Jill
>
>There are cars now with 250 mile range and a 10 hour charge time at 240
>volts. One example is Chevy Bolt for $37,000. Tesla has a long range
>model. 375 miles and price starts at $82,000
>
>For many, especially if you have two cars, that is plenty of range. Not
>so good for long trips. There are charging stations at most highway
>rest stops on I95 but how long do you want to hang out there when you
>want to do an 850 mile day?

The length of time to charge is why I have not gone electric. I have
been eyeing Teslas for ages- even before they had a dealer here in NJ,
but I am not going to dump all that money into the car if I cannot use
it for serious road trips. Besides, Elon Musk gives me the willies.

I get tolerable enough mileage to use either of our gas cars for town
errands and see no sense in dumping either at this point for an
electric just for bopping.

On Thursday, March 4, 2021 at 10:20:52 AM UTC-5, Gary wrote:
> Bruce wrote:
> > Taxed and Spent wrote:
> >> The planet has become much greener since 2000. The Sahara Desert has
> >> shrunk by 8% That is CO2 at work.
> >
> > You probably don't believe in climate change either.
> The earth has been doing that long before humans. It's a cyclic event.
> Global warming started about 10,000 years ago when the last ice age ended.
>
> Granted, humans in the past 100 years are speeding it up a bit but it
> will continue to happen even without us. One more good pandemic and the
> earth will be without our worthless species and it will go back to
> normal usual cycles and heal itself.

Sure. VA Beach probably won't be inundated by the time you die, anyway.

Cindy Hamilton