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On Thu, 3 Dec 2020 11:49:30 -0500, % > wrote:

>In article >, says...
>>
>> On Wed, 2 Dec 2020 17:17:03 -0500, Dave Smith
>> > wrote:
>>
>> >On 2020-12-02 4:30 p.m., Sheldon Martin wrote:
>> >> On Wed, 2 Dec 2020 11:02:47 -0500, Dave Smith
>> >> > wrote:
>> >
>> >>>> There are electric and diesel snow blowers. The electric snowblowers
>> >>>> I've seen are small and use an extention cord. I can mount a huge
>> >>>> snow blower on my tractor and it would be diesel... there are lots of
>> >>>> diesel snow blowers, that's what many cities use, mounted on diesel
>> >>>> trucks. But I'd rather my snow plow.
>> >>>
>> >>> I have never seen a diesel powered residential snow blower. They would
>> >>> likely be way too costly and too much a pain in the ass starting on cold
>> >>> weather. Tractor mounted blowers aren't really diesel powered because
>> >>> they are mounted on a diesel powered tractor. They are run by the PTO,
>> >>> and could be mounted on any tractor with a PTO.
>> >>
>> >> Are you pretending to be a commedian... any snow blower mounted on a
>> >> diesel powered vehical is automatically a diesel powered snowblower...
>> >> or are you normally so dense?
>> >
>> >I am not the one with an obtuse argument. Tractor mounted snowblowers
>> >are mounted on the rear end of the unit and are mechanically powered by
>> >means of the PTO. By your argument, a snowblower on a diesel powered
>> >tractor is diesel powered. It takes about 10 minutes to detach it from
>> >the diesel powered tractor and then attach it to a gas powered tractor.
>> >It could also be attached to a propane powered tractor, a LNG powered
>> >tractor or an electric powered tractor. It remains mechanically powered
>> >because it has no power plant of its own.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >> Has not a whit to do with residential or commercial, I use my diesel
>> >> tractor on my residence only but it can easily be used commercially as
>> >> many do.
>> >
>> >Yeah yeah, you use a mechanically powered blower your diesel tractor. We
>> >know that. You won't see a blower directly powered by a diesel engine
>> >being used in a residential setting up.
>> >
>> >Feel free to provide a link to a snowblower that is directly powered by
>> >a diesel engine. I was trained and qualified to operate self powered
>> >snowblower that was mounted onto a diesel powered front end loader. I
>> >have actual experience running one. Ours were gas powered. There may
>> >now be some diesel powered machines, but they would be for commercial
>> >or industrial use.

>>
>> You are an idiot but mostly you are a liar.
>>

>actually dave is right and you're a clueless ****wit


Like you, whoever you are, Dim Dave is a LYING Schmuck, who has never
touched a snow blower... has anyone ever seen pictures of all his fake
trips to fancy schmancy restaurants, or a pic of his fat niece, I
thought not.... fat niece doesn't exist nor do any of his undocumented
ventures. Nothing Dim Dave has ever posted here is true.
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>
> On Thu, 3 Dec 2020 09:40:55 -0600, Sqwertz >
> wrote:
>
> >On Wed, 2 Dec 2020 17:17:03 -0500, Dave Smith wrote:
> >
> >> On 2020-12-02 4:30 p.m., Sheldon Martin wrote:
> >>> On Wed, 2 Dec 2020 11:02:47 -0500, Dave Smith
> >>> > wrote:
> >>
> >>>>> There are electric and diesel snow blowers. The electric snowblowers
> >>>>> I've seen are small and use an extention cord. I can mount a huge
> >>>>> snow blower on my tractor and it would be diesel... there are lots of
> >>>>> diesel snow blowers, that's what many cities use, mounted on diesel
> >>>>> trucks. But I'd rather my snow plow.
> >>>>
> >>>> I have never seen a diesel powered residential snow blower. They would
> >>>> likely be way too costly and too much a pain in the ass starting on cold
> >>>> weather. Tractor mounted blowers aren't really diesel powered because
> >>>> they are mounted on a diesel powered tractor. They are run by the PTO,
> >>>> and could be mounted on any tractor with a PTO.
> >>>
> >>> Are you pretending to be a commedian... any snow blower mounted on a
> >>> diesel powered vehical is automatically a diesel powered snowblower...
> >>> or are you normally so dense?
> >>
> >> I am not the one with an obtuse argument. Tractor mounted snowblowers
> >> are mounted on the rear end of the unit and are mechanically powered by
> >> means of the PTO. By your argument, a snowblower on a diesel powered
> >> tractor is diesel powered. It takes about 10 minutes to detach it from
> >> the diesel powered tractor and then attach it to a gas powered tractor.
> >> It could also be attached to a propane powered tractor, a LNG powered
> >> tractor or an electric powered tractor. It remains mechanically powered
> >> because it has no power plant of its own.

> >
> >I agree with Dave. All NOT in favor, say "Nay".
> >
> >-sw

>
> Another putz who thinks a pto on a diesel tractor will operate without
> diesel fuel... I only wish that were true so I wouldn't need to buy
> diesel.
>

nice try asshat, any snowblower you might use with that tractor
would be a pto driven snowblower with a driveshaft powering it,
there is no diesel engine on the blower itself.

how can you be so ****ing stupid, you blowhard mother****er
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Sheldon Martin wrote:
> On Thu, 3 Dec 2020 09:40:55 -0600, Sqwertz >
> wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 2 Dec 2020 17:17:03 -0500, Dave Smith wrote:
>>
>>> On 2020-12-02 4:30 p.m., Sheldon Martin wrote:
>>>> On Wed, 2 Dec 2020 11:02:47 -0500, Dave Smith
>>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>>>> There are electric and diesel snow blowers. The electric snowblowers
>>>>>> I've seen are small and use an extention cord. I can mount a huge
>>>>>> snow blower on my tractor and it would be diesel... there are lots of
>>>>>> diesel snow blowers, that's what many cities use, mounted on diesel
>>>>>> trucks. But I'd rather my snow plow.
>>>>>
>>>>> I have never seen a diesel powered residential snow blower. They would
>>>>> likely be way too costly and too much a pain in the ass starting on cold
>>>>> weather. Tractor mounted blowers aren't really diesel powered because
>>>>> they are mounted on a diesel powered tractor. They are run by the PTO,
>>>>> and could be mounted on any tractor with a PTO.
>>>>
>>>> Are you pretending to be a commedian... any snow blower mounted on a
>>>> diesel powered vehical is automatically a diesel powered snowblower...
>>>> or are you normally so dense?
>>>
>>> I am not the one with an obtuse argument. Tractor mounted snowblowers
>>> are mounted on the rear end of the unit and are mechanically powered by
>>> means of the PTO. By your argument, a snowblower on a diesel powered
>>> tractor is diesel powered. It takes about 10 minutes to detach it from
>>> the diesel powered tractor and then attach it to a gas powered tractor.
>>> It could also be attached to a propane powered tractor, a LNG powered
>>> tractor or an electric powered tractor. It remains mechanically powered
>>> because it has no power plant of its own.

>>
>> I agree with Dave. All NOT in favor, say "Nay".
>>
>> -sw

>
> Another putz who thinks a pto on a diesel tractor will operate without
> diesel fuel... I only wish that were true so I wouldn't need to buy
> diesel. That's like thinking an electic snow blower will operate
> without electricity. Dim Dave!. And we all know about the dim dwarf,
> who thinks fatso sandwiches is cooking. DUH
> Dim Dave and Dim Dwarf are quite the pair... neither ever bought an
> ounce of diesel fuel, Kootchie knows a lot more about motors than
> those two retards.
>


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Sheldon Martin wrote:
> On Thu, 3 Dec 2020 11:49:30 -0500, % > wrote:
>
>> In article >, says...
>>>
>>> On Wed, 2 Dec 2020 17:17:03 -0500, Dave Smith
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 2020-12-02 4:30 p.m., Sheldon Martin wrote:
>>>>> On Wed, 2 Dec 2020 11:02:47 -0500, Dave Smith
>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>>> There are electric and diesel snow blowers. The electric snowblowers
>>>>>>> I've seen are small and use an extention cord. I can mount a huge
>>>>>>> snow blower on my tractor and it would be diesel... there are lots of
>>>>>>> diesel snow blowers, that's what many cities use, mounted on diesel
>>>>>>> trucks. But I'd rather my snow plow.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I have never seen a diesel powered residential snow blower. They would
>>>>>> likely be way too costly and too much a pain in the ass starting on cold
>>>>>> weather. Tractor mounted blowers aren't really diesel powered because
>>>>>> they are mounted on a diesel powered tractor. They are run by the PTO,
>>>>>> and could be mounted on any tractor with a PTO.
>>>>>
>>>>> Are you pretending to be a commedian... any snow blower mounted on a
>>>>> diesel powered vehical is automatically a diesel powered snowblower...
>>>>> or are you normally so dense?
>>>>
>>>> I am not the one with an obtuse argument. Tractor mounted snowblowers
>>>> are mounted on the rear end of the unit and are mechanically powered by
>>>> means of the PTO. By your argument, a snowblower on a diesel powered
>>>> tractor is diesel powered. It takes about 10 minutes to detach it from
>>>> the diesel powered tractor and then attach it to a gas powered tractor.
>>>> It could also be attached to a propane powered tractor, a LNG powered
>>>> tractor or an electric powered tractor. It remains mechanically powered
>>>> because it has no power plant of its own.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Has not a whit to do with residential or commercial, I use my diesel
>>>>> tractor on my residence only but it can easily be used commercially as
>>>>> many do.
>>>>
>>>> Yeah yeah, you use a mechanically powered blower your diesel tractor. We
>>>> know that. You won't see a blower directly powered by a diesel engine
>>>> being used in a residential setting up.
>>>>
>>>> Feel free to provide a link to a snowblower that is directly powered by
>>>> a diesel engine. I was trained and qualified to operate self powered
>>>> snowblower that was mounted onto a diesel powered front end loader. I
>>>> have actual experience running one. Ours were gas powered. There may
>>>> now be some diesel powered machines, but they would be for commercial
>>>> or industrial use.
>>>
>>> You are an idiot but mostly you are a liar.
>>>

>> actually dave is right and you're a clueless ****wit

>
> Like you, whoever you are, Dim Dave is a LYING Schmuck, who has never
> touched a snow blower... has anyone ever seen pictures of all his fake
> trips to fancy schmancy restaurants, or a pic of his fat niece, I
> thought not.... fat niece doesn't exist nor do any of his undocumented
> ventures. Nothing Dim Dave has ever posted here is true.
>


Popeye, yoose acting like trump!


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% wrote:
> In article >, says...
>>
>> On Thu, 3 Dec 2020 09:40:55 -0600, Sqwertz >
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On Wed, 2 Dec 2020 17:17:03 -0500, Dave Smith wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 2020-12-02 4:30 p.m., Sheldon Martin wrote:
>>>>> On Wed, 2 Dec 2020 11:02:47 -0500, Dave Smith
>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>>> There are electric and diesel snow blowers. The electric snowblowers
>>>>>>> I've seen are small and use an extention cord. I can mount a huge
>>>>>>> snow blower on my tractor and it would be diesel... there are lots of
>>>>>>> diesel snow blowers, that's what many cities use, mounted on diesel
>>>>>>> trucks. But I'd rather my snow plow.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I have never seen a diesel powered residential snow blower. They would
>>>>>> likely be way too costly and too much a pain in the ass starting on cold
>>>>>> weather. Tractor mounted blowers aren't really diesel powered because
>>>>>> they are mounted on a diesel powered tractor. They are run by the PTO,
>>>>>> and could be mounted on any tractor with a PTO.
>>>>>
>>>>> Are you pretending to be a commedian... any snow blower mounted on a
>>>>> diesel powered vehical is automatically a diesel powered snowblower...
>>>>> or are you normally so dense?
>>>>
>>>> I am not the one with an obtuse argument. Tractor mounted snowblowers
>>>> are mounted on the rear end of the unit and are mechanically powered by
>>>> means of the PTO. By your argument, a snowblower on a diesel powered
>>>> tractor is diesel powered. It takes about 10 minutes to detach it from
>>>> the diesel powered tractor and then attach it to a gas powered tractor.
>>>> It could also be attached to a propane powered tractor, a LNG powered
>>>> tractor or an electric powered tractor. It remains mechanically powered
>>>> because it has no power plant of its own.
>>>
>>> I agree with Dave. All NOT in favor, say "Nay".
>>>
>>> -sw

>>
>> Another putz who thinks a pto on a diesel tractor will operate without
>> diesel fuel... I only wish that were true so I wouldn't need to buy
>> diesel.
>>

> nice try asshat, any snowblower you might use with that tractor
> would be a pto driven snowblower with a driveshaft powering it,
> there is no diesel engine on the blower itself.
>
> how can you be so ****ing stupid, you blowhard mother****er
>


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On 2020-12-03 1:40 p.m., Sheldon Martin wrote:
> On Thu, 3 Dec 2020 09:40:55 -0600, Sqwertz >

It takes about 10 minutes to detach it from
>>> the diesel powered tractor and then attach it to a gas powered tractor.
>>> It could also be attached to a propane powered tractor, a LNG powered
>>> tractor or an electric powered tractor. It remains mechanically powered
>>> because it has no power plant of its own.

>>
>> I agree with Dave. All NOT in favor, say "Nay".
>>
>> -sw

>
> Another putz who thinks a pto on a diesel tractor will operate without
> diesel fuel... I only wish that were true so I wouldn't need to buy
> diesel. That's like thinking an electic snow blower will operate
> without electricity. Dim Dave!.


Keep digging Sheldon. An electric snow blower is powered directly by
electricity. It is plugged and an electric motor is connected to the
blades. Not so with a tractor mounted to a tractor that is diesel
powered and then taken off and attached to a gas powered tractor.


And we all know about the dim dwarf,
> who thinks fatso sandwiches is cooking. DUH
> Dim Dave and Dim Dwarf are quite the pair... neither ever bought an
> ounce of diesel fuel, Kootchie knows a lot more about motors than
> those two retards.


LMFAO. I was an equipment operator for my first 12 years with the
Ministry of Transportation and most of the trucks and other equipment I
operated were diesel powered. I mentioned the other day that one of
those was a diesel powered front end loader on which was mounted an
independently powered by a 589 cubic inch International (gas) motor. By
you nonsensical lack of logic, that snow blower was diesel because it
was mounted to a diesel powered loader, despite it being gasoline
powered. If there had been a gas powered loader on which it was mounted
it would then be a gas powered snow blower. There were many times when I
went through more diesel fuel in a day than you use in an entire season
in your baby tractor.

I was senior equipment operator for the district. I was trained and
qualified to run almost every piece of equipment in our inventory, like
dump trucks, tractor trailer, front end loaders, front end loader
mounted snow blower, backhoe, bucket trucks, wrecker, 3 and 5 ton trucks
with HIAH hoists, snow plows, graders, rollers and a few more.
So go ahead and try to impress me with what you cannot grasp.







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On 2020-12-03 1:52 p.m., Sheldon Martin wrote:
> On Thu, 3 Dec 2020 11:49:30 -0500, % > wrote:
>


>> actually dave is right and you're a clueless ****wit

>
> Like you, whoever you are, Dim Dave is a LYING Schmuck,


yeah yeah yeah. Most of us here know that those who are quick to call
other people liars lie so much themselves that they assume that everyone
else does.



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Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2020-12-03 1:40 p.m., Sheldon Martin wrote:
>> On Thu, 3 Dec 2020 09:40:55 -0600, Sqwertz >

> *It takes about 10 minutes to detach it from
>>>> the diesel powered tractor and then attach it to a gas powered
>>>> tractor.
>>>> It could also be attached to a propane powered tractor, a LNG
>>>> powered
>>>> tractor or an electric powered tractor.* It remains
>>>> mechanically powered
>>>> because it has no power plant of its own.
>>>
>>> I agree with Dave.* All NOT in favor, say "Nay".
>>>
>>> -sw

>>
>> Another putz who thinks a pto on a diesel tractor will operate
>> without
>> diesel fuel... I only wish that were true so I wouldn't need to buy
>> diesel.* That's like thinking an electic snow blower will operate
>> without electricity.* Dim Dave!.

>
> Keep digging Sheldon. An electric snow blower is powered directly
> by electricity. It is plugged and an electric motor is connected to
> the blades.* Not so with a tractor mounted to a tractor that is
> diesel powered and then taken off and attached to a gas powered
> tractor.
>
>
> And we all know about the dim dwarf,
>> who thinks fatso sandwiches is cooking. DUH
>> Dim Dave and Dim Dwarf are quite the pair... neither ever bought an
>> ounce of diesel fuel, Kootchie knows a lot more about motors than
>> those two retards.

>
> LMFAO.* I was an equipment operator for my first 12 years with the
> Ministry of Transportation and most of the trucks and other
> equipment I operated were diesel powered. I mentioned the other day
> that one of those was a diesel powered front end loader on which
> was mounted an independently* powered by a 589 cubic inch
> International (gas) motor. By you nonsensical lack of logic, that
> snow blower was diesel because it was mounted to a diesel powered
> loader, despite it being gasoline powered. If there had been a gas
> powered loader on which it was mounted it would then be a gas
> powered snow blower. There were many times when I went through more
> diesel fuel in a day than you use in an entire season in your baby
> tractor.
>
> I was senior equipment operator for the district. I was trained and
> qualified to run almost every piece of equipment in our inventory,
> like dump trucks, tractor trailer, front end loaders, front end
> loader mounted snow blower, backhoe, bucket trucks, wrecker, 3 and
> 5 ton trucks with HIAH hoists, snow plows, graders, rollers and a
> few more.
> So go ahead and try to impress me with what you cannot grasp.
>
>


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anything other than giant titties and incest.

You couldn't ever understand him unless you ****ed your aunt,
mother, or daughter.



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> On Thursday, December 3, 2020 at 6:11:06 AM UTC-10, Transition Zone
> wrote:
> > On Wednesday, December 2, 2020 at 6:04:58 PM UTC-5, dsi1 wrote:
> > > On Monday, November 30, 2020 at 1:16:01 PM UTC-10, Sheldon wrote:
> > > > On such a pouring rain day I thought to grind beef for
> > > > burgers... made up eight 12 ounce burgers/ground steaks, four
> > > > to a gallon zip-loc, and popped in the freezer. This was from
> > > > lovely roasts, no mystery meat here. Often we share one,
> > > > probably will tomorrow... the turkey is gone.
> > > > Damn it's raining hard, the creek in front is at it's limit,
> > > > we're hoping the French drain doesn't back up into the
> > > > basement... occasionally it does and then after the water
> > > > drains we have silt to vacuum. Everything is up off the
> > > > basement floor, on steel shelves and the fridge is up on cement
> > > > blocks, as are the cat litter pans... they know to walk on
> > > > cement blocks to get to their litter pans... the pans are up on
> > > > cement blocks too or they will float. We learned how to deal
> > > > with it. Even Dish TV went out for a half hour from the heavy
> > > > rain.
> > > I had a teriyaki burger yesterday. It was okay although I ate the
> > > whole thing. I usually can't eat a whole burger so I must have
> > > been pretty hungry.
> > >
> > > https://photos.app.goo.gl/C84mWQDMRWNFpVLJ7

> > I hear that japanese wagyu beef burgers are expensive there in
> > Hawai'i.

> They probably are. I've never had one but that's because it's mostly
> a marketing strategy of some sort. Last night I made the dreaded
> turkey meatloaf and served it with the dreaded creamed kale. I don't
> care for either but felt the need to move it out from the
> refrigerator. My wife said it was the best meatloaf ever. I thought
> to myself "oh no!" A whole can of corn was added to improve the
> texture and the whole thing was coated with fried onions. I liked how
> it didn't come out of the oven in a pool of grease. A turkey meatloaf
> has almost zero fat.
>
> https://photos.app.goo.gl/3Q7XFY7YZqeEwpfNA


Better you than me!

I dislike Kale. Not fond of turkey and zero fat meatloaf has no
appeal... Sorry. Normally I love your meals but I'd have a PB&J that
time!


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On Thursday, December 3, 2020 at 3:01:42 PM UTC-10, cshenk wrote:
> dsi1 wrote:
>
> > On Thursday, December 3, 2020 at 6:11:06 AM UTC-10, Transition Zone
> > wrote:
> > > On Wednesday, December 2, 2020 at 6:04:58 PM UTC-5, dsi1 wrote:
> > > > On Monday, November 30, 2020 at 1:16:01 PM UTC-10, Sheldon wrote:
> > > > > On such a pouring rain day I thought to grind beef for
> > > > > burgers... made up eight 12 ounce burgers/ground steaks, four
> > > > > to a gallon zip-loc, and popped in the freezer. This was from
> > > > > lovely roasts, no mystery meat here. Often we share one,
> > > > > probably will tomorrow... the turkey is gone.
> > > > > Damn it's raining hard, the creek in front is at it's limit,
> > > > > we're hoping the French drain doesn't back up into the
> > > > > basement... occasionally it does and then after the water
> > > > > drains we have silt to vacuum. Everything is up off the
> > > > > basement floor, on steel shelves and the fridge is up on cement
> > > > > blocks, as are the cat litter pans... they know to walk on
> > > > > cement blocks to get to their litter pans... the pans are up on
> > > > > cement blocks too or they will float. We learned how to deal
> > > > > with it. Even Dish TV went out for a half hour from the heavy
> > > > > rain.
> > > > I had a teriyaki burger yesterday. It was okay although I ate the
> > > > whole thing. I usually can't eat a whole burger so I must have
> > > > been pretty hungry.
> > > >
> > > > https://photos.app.goo.gl/C84mWQDMRWNFpVLJ7
> > > I hear that japanese wagyu beef burgers are expensive there in
> > > Hawai'i.

> > They probably are. I've never had one but that's because it's mostly
> > a marketing strategy of some sort. Last night I made the dreaded
> > turkey meatloaf and served it with the dreaded creamed kale. I don't
> > care for either but felt the need to move it out from the
> > refrigerator. My wife said it was the best meatloaf ever. I thought
> > to myself "oh no!" A whole can of corn was added to improve the
> > texture and the whole thing was coated with fried onions. I liked how
> > it didn't come out of the oven in a pool of grease. A turkey meatloaf
> > has almost zero fat.
> >
> > https://photos.app.goo.gl/3Q7XFY7YZqeEwpfNA

> Better you than me!
>
> I dislike Kale. Not fond of turkey and zero fat meatloaf has no
> appeal... Sorry. Normally I love your meals but I'd have a PB&J that
> time!

I don't like kale or ground turkey either. OTOH, getting ground turkey to be eatable is certainly a challenge. My guess is that I'm up to the challenge and can make ground turkey that looks and tastes like beef. I'll bet that I can make kale taste like luau leaves. That would be just awesome.
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dsi1 wrote:

> On Thursday, December 3, 2020 at 3:01:42 PM UTC-10, cshenk wrote:
> > dsi1 wrote:
> >
> > > On Thursday, December 3, 2020 at 6:11:06 AM UTC-10, Transition
> > > Zone wrote:
> > > > On Wednesday, December 2, 2020 at 6:04:58 PM UTC-5, dsi1 wrote:
> > > > > On Monday, November 30, 2020 at 1:16:01 PM UTC-10, Sheldon
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > On such a pouring rain day I thought to grind beef for
> > > > > > burgers... made up eight 12 ounce burgers/ground steaks,
> > > > > > four to a gallon zip-loc, and popped in the freezer. This
> > > > > > was from lovely roasts, no mystery meat here. Often we
> > > > > > share one, probably will tomorrow... the turkey is gone.
> > > > > > Damn it's raining hard, the creek in front is at it's
> > > > > > limit, we're hoping the French drain doesn't back up into
> > > > > > the basement... occasionally it does and then after the
> > > > > > water drains we have silt to vacuum. Everything is up off
> > > > > > the basement floor, on steel shelves and the fridge is up
> > > > > > on cement blocks, as are the cat litter pans... they know
> > > > > > to walk on cement blocks to get to their litter pans... the
> > > > > > pans are up on cement blocks too or they will float. We
> > > > > > learned how to deal with it. Even Dish TV went out for a
> > > > > > half hour from the heavy rain.
> > > > > I had a teriyaki burger yesterday. It was okay although I ate
> > > > > the whole thing. I usually can't eat a whole burger so I must
> > > > > have been pretty hungry.
> > > > >
> > > > > https://photos.app.goo.gl/C84mWQDMRWNFpVLJ7
> > > > I hear that japanese wagyu beef burgers are expensive there in
> > > > Hawai'i.
> > > They probably are. I've never had one but that's because it's
> > > mostly a marketing strategy of some sort. Last night I made the
> > > dreaded turkey meatloaf and served it with the dreaded creamed
> > > kale. I don't care for either but felt the need to move it out
> > > from the refrigerator. My wife said it was the best meatloaf
> > > ever. I thought to myself "oh no!" A whole can of corn was added
> > > to improve the texture and the whole thing was coated with fried
> > > onions. I liked how it didn't come out of the oven in a pool of
> > > grease. A turkey meatloaf has almost zero fat.
> > >
> > > https://photos.app.goo.gl/3Q7XFY7YZqeEwpfNA

> > Better you than me!
> >
> > I dislike Kale. Not fond of turkey and zero fat meatloaf has no
> > appeal... Sorry. Normally I love your meals but I'd have a PB&J
> > that time!

> I don't like kale or ground turkey either. OTOH, getting ground
> turkey to be eatable is certainly a challenge. My guess is that I'm
> up to the challenge and can make ground turkey that looks and tastes
> like beef. I'll bet that I can make kale taste like luau leaves. That
> would be just awesome.


Hehe ok, but YOU eat it! Not me!
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On 12/3/2020 8:01 PM, cshenk wrote:
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>>
>> https://photos.app.goo.gl/3Q7XFY7YZqeEwpfNA

>
> Better you than me!
>
> I dislike Kale. Not fond of turkey and zero fat meatloaf has no
> appeal... Sorry. Normally I love your meals but I'd have a PB&J that
> time!
>


Only way to use ground turkey is to mix one part turkey to 4 parts pork.
I made sausage like that and it was good. No interest in turkey
meatloaf.
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On 12/3/2020 11:22 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 12/3/2020 8:01 PM, cshenk wrote:
>> dsi1 wrote:

>
>>>
>>> https://photos.app.goo.gl/3Q7XFY7YZqeEwpfNA

>>
>> Better you than me!
>>
>> I dislike Kale. Not fond of turkey and zero fat meatloaf has no
>> appeal... Sorry. Normally I love your meals but I'd have a PB&J that
>> time!
>>

>
> Only way to use ground turkey is to mix one part turkey to 4 parts pork.
> I made sausage like that and it was good. No interest in turkey meatloaf.


I would think a turkey meatloaf might be good *if* you make a turkey
gravy from turkey stock to pour over the slices.



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Gary wrote:

> On 12/3/2020 11:22 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> > On 12/3/2020 8:01 PM, cshenk wrote:
> >> dsi1 wrote:

> >
> >>>
> >>> https://photos.app.goo.gl/3Q7XFY7YZqeEwpfNA
> >>
> >> Better you than me!
> >>
> >> I dislike Kale. Not fond of turkey and zero fat meatloaf has no
> >> appeal... Sorry. Normally I love your meals but I'd have a PB&J that
> >> time!
> >>

> >
> > Only way to use ground turkey is to mix one part turkey to 4 parts pork.
> > I made sausage like that and it was good. No interest in turkey meatloaf.

> I would think a turkey meatloaf might be good *if* you make a turkey
> gravy from turkey stock to pour over the slices.



Ground poultry of any kind "icks" me out, I guess it's the texture...

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On Fri, 4 Dec 2020 07:21:48 -0800 (PST), GM
> wrote:

>Gary wrote:
>
>> On 12/3/2020 11:22 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>> > On 12/3/2020 8:01 PM, cshenk wrote:
>> >> dsi1 wrote:
>> >
>> >>>
>> >>> https://photos.app.goo.gl/3Q7XFY7YZqeEwpfNA
>> >>
>> >> Better you than me!
>> >>
>> >> I dislike Kale. Not fond of turkey and zero fat meatloaf has no
>> >> appeal... Sorry. Normally I love your meals but I'd have a PB&J that
>> >> time!
>> >>
>> >
>> > Only way to use ground turkey is to mix one part turkey to 4 parts pork.
>> > I made sausage like that and it was good. No interest in turkey meatloaf.

>> I would think a turkey meatloaf might be good *if* you make a turkey
>> gravy from turkey stock to pour over the slices.

>
>
>Ground poultry of any kind "icks" me out, I guess it's the texture...


Ground raw turkey may be suitable for feeding starving cats.
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>On Thursday, December 3, 2020 at 6:11:06 AM UTC-10, Transition Zone wrote:
>> On Wednesday, December 2, 2020 at 6:04:58 PM UTC-5, dsi1 wrote:
>> > On Monday, November 30, 2020 at 1:16:01 PM UTC-10, Sheldon wrote:
>> > > On such a pouring rain day I thought to grind beef for burgers... made
>> > > up eight 12 ounce burgers/ground steaks, four to a gallon zip-loc, and
>> > > popped in the freezer. This was from lovely roasts, no mystery meat
>> > > here. Often we share one, probably will tomorrow... the turkey is
>> > > gone.
>> > > Damn it's raining hard, the creek in front is at it's limit, we're
>> > > hoping the French drain doesn't back up into the basement...
>> > > occasionally it does and then after the water drains we have silt to
>> > > vacuum. Everything is up off the basement floor, on steel shelves and
>> > > the fridge is up on cement blocks, as are the cat litter pans... they
>> > > know to walk on cement blocks to get to their litter pans... the pans
>> > > are up on cement blocks too or they will float. We learned how to
>> > > deal with it. Even Dish TV went out for a half hour from the heavy
>> > > rain.
>> > I had a teriyaki burger yesterday. It was okay although I ate the

>whole thing. I usually can't eat a whole burger so I must have been
>pretty hungry.
>> >
>> >
https://photos.app.goo.gl/C84mWQDMRWNFpVLJ7
>> I hear that japanese wagyu beef burgers are expensive there in Hawai'i.

>They probably are. I've never had one but that's because it's mostly a
>marketing strategy of some sort. Last night I made the dreaded turkey
>meatloaf and served it with the dreaded creamed kale. I don't care for
>either but felt the need to move it out from the refrigerator. My wife
>said it was the best meatloaf ever. I thought to myself "oh no!" A whole
>can of corn was added to improve the texture and the whole thing was
>coated with fried onions. I liked how it didn't come out of the oven in
>a pool of grease. A turkey meatloaf has almost zero fat.
>
>https://photos.app.goo.gl/3Q7XFY7YZqeEwpfNA


"Turkey can never beat cow, Chris. Sorry." -Ron Swanson

https://youtu.be/Q84nfWkLsYU?t=56

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On Thursday, December 3, 2020 at 5:56:04 PM UTC-6, Hank Rogers wrote:
>
> >

> Popeye is mostly an expert on sex stuff. He don't know shit about
> anything other than giant titties and incest.
>
> You couldn't ever understand him unless you ****ed your aunt,
> mother, or daughter.


I never had a hot aunt who hit on me. I never had a hot aunt at all.
My only aunt was at least 40 years older than me. It is obviously
****ed up to have sex with one's mother or daughter, but if the aunt
were physically attractive to me and single, I imagine that when I
was 13-16, I'd have been totally on board. Heck, after a couple of
times I'd have had her in a situation where she'd kind of have had
little choice to continue to give me as much as I wanted, which
would have been a lot.

There is a big *if* there, though. I can imagine not being sexually
attracted to a close blood, no matter how pretty I found her, not for
moral reasons, but I think that humans are kind of wired that way.
OTOH, if it had been an older cousin, even a 1st cousin, I doubt I'd
have had those sort of reservations. She would have to have been
older, and would have had to be the initiator, as I did have moral
objections to guys being cads.

This reminded me of a sequence in *Winter's Present*, but one that
doesn't really have the right effect out of context with a longer
excerpt.

****************
Ian answered Ann, "I don't need to cry."
"For a change, I don't either."
They looked at each other lovingly, studying each others faces, both with measured smiles. Ian gently held her head in his hands and kissed her forehead, knowing intellectually that directly behind was the part of her brain that contained her mind. He wanted so much to kiss there, and tarried there for a long time, while Ann relaxed in his arms, and then moved on to other parts of her face. All of the parts of women's bodies fascinated him, but faces, he knew were almost fetishistic to him, and Winter had noticed that right away. He could have kissed her face for far longer, but, there was that mouth. He knew he was being given free rein to Ann's body, but mouth kissing was something special.
Ann had said, "Just let go," but he wasn't going to push that. However much time she perceived they'd have before they tired, Winter returned, or they merely gave into genital gratification, he wasn't going to selfishly focus on his oral fixations, and he left her mouth far sooner than he'd wished to.
There was her neck. Girls washed their bodies so thoroughly, and they shampooed their hair, but they so often overlooked their necks, and being kissed there made them swoon. Next were the shoulders. Ann was so slightly built that he again thought, "Gracile," but there were breasts to be entertained. They looked into each others eyes as he felt them, wanting to delve in, feel any and all aspects of their inner structure through her soft skin.
"They're for giving milk to babies."
It had been years, decades, since any woman had said words that had excited him that much. He needed to calm down. All he said was, "Back rubs," and helped turn Ann over. As he started massaging her shoulders, he kissed her cheek. As his fingers moved on her shoulders, he heard a peep that indicated that he wasn't operating too slowly, and that was a relief. When he pushed his thumbs into what he knew were the right places, just to the sides of the vertebrae, the pitch went down a few octaves. He had to be careful, he thought, because Ann, despite her protests, really was more physically fragile than any girl he'd touched since he was what? Fourteen? Thirteen?
That girl had caught his eye. She was younger, almost too young and underdeveloped to be sexually interesting, but she had a softness that Ian couldn't resist. He'd taken her home, kissed her sweet mouth, and gently touched her breasts. He'd given her flowers, gone to her house, and smoked weed with her older brothers, but had concluded that she was too young, not necessarily chronologically, but she wasn't sexually mature, or maybe she was, but she wasn't cognitively mature. She'd enjoyed the touching, but Ian felt like he would have been using a child for sexual gratification, and found that disturbing.
One thing that Ian took pride in was that he'd never taken sexual exploitation very far, had always put the brakes on. It wasn't until he was much older that he really thought about why. When he'd first analyzed it, he thought that it might be because he'd loved his mother, and disliked his father, but as he aged, he thought about his relationships with women, the loving ones and the ones that were merely sharing bodies.
Ian realized that he wasn't paying attention. He was reliving a past that however memorable, shouldn't be distracting him from the now. Ian moved his hands down, and pushed with his fingertips in the places he knew worked, then reached over high, leaned back and brought her leg over his head, his face falling upon soft fur with joy. He had her legs pushed up by the thighs, gripping her with his hands, but then lowered them slowly, and held them around the sides, gripping them close to his chest.
Ann remembered what Winter had said, "He's like a metronome, and somehow he never misses a beat." The little touches of his tongue were a perfect, unwavering andantino. She could feel the ever so slight addition of saliva to her own increasing wetness as his hands moved up the sides of her body, then closed on her breasts. After a while, his left hand moved down, over her ribs, the right side of her tummy, and into her hair. His finger, she thought the middle one, was moving closer to his tongue, as his hand applied gentle pressure, while the other hand, which had been tickling her nipple, moved to the center of her chest. Her hips began to heave upward in rhythm. She was crushing his nose into her; what she wanted was his tongue, hard on her, but he wasn't altering the pressure, however hard she ground into his face. It wasn't until the contractions started that he licked harder. She was convulsing, and before she knew it was happening, he was already inside her, and she felt her right leg pulled up forcefully, while she was being lifted by a hand in the small of her back. He was trying to kiss her mouth, but she turned her face to the right, and felt his warm breath in her ear. He was trying to get as far in as he could, but there was no room until something in her body shifted in a way she'd never felt, then another sensation. His hands had moved with lightning speed to her shoulders. Her mind raced to one of Winter's words, "ejaculate." He was pulling her body down while she was feeling herself being injected, filled. Ann could feel herself grinning, as Ian's body became heavy.
Ian took several deep breaths, and smiled softly, "Sorry that was so, you know, fast."
Ann could feel him going soft inside her. "It was perfect, Ian."
"That makes me so happy."
"I can feel it getting little. 'Big, Little.'"
Ian told her that right after; that was when it was smallest.
"Can I play with it when it's little?"
Ian rolled off of her, and lay on his back, "You can, but if you play with it, it won't stay little for long."
She did, and it didn't. The second go lasted far longer, and there were not only kisses, but eye contact. Ian stroked her arms and shoulders. He touched her breasts briefly before running his hands down the length of her sides, and onto her legs, where he massaged her thighs before moving on to her knees, banking knowledge of her body against what he assumed was finite.
When Winter returned, the two retired to their room, and Ann shared what had happened in her absence, Winter wanted details. Ann gave her a play-by-play of the physical aspects, but shied away from speaking of love. She'd been correct. Winter was happy for them. €œIt's like a symphony, Ann. The first movement...€
****************

Before anyone suggests that it seems that I have started on the beer early,
it's true. Work was tough this week, especially physically. Boxes of books
are heavy, and I'm not young. I'm physically sore all over. Even my hands
hurt. The workload was probably a hundred hours. They scheduled me
for 40, and I only made it to about 39 before I cut out for the week. My wife
and son will be getting takeout tonight.

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On Friday, December 4, 2020 at 6:19:24 AM UTC-6, Gary wrote:
> On 12/3/2020 11:22 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> > On 12/3/2020 8:01 PM, cshenk wrote:
> >> dsi1 wrote:

> >
> >>>
> >>> https://photos.app.goo.gl/3Q7XFY7YZqeEwpfNA
> >>
> >> Better you than me!
> >>
> >> I dislike Kale. Not fond of turkey and zero fat meatloaf has no
> >> appeal... Sorry. Normally I love your meals but I'd have a PB&J that
> >> time!
> >>

> >
> > Only way to use ground turkey is to mix one part turkey to 4 parts pork.
> > I made sausage like that and it was good. No interest in turkey meatloaf.

> I would think a turkey meatloaf might be good *if* you make a turkey
> gravy from turkey stock to pour over the slices.


Sometimes I can get ground turkey for $.99/#. I'm going to try making a
small turkey meatloaf, seasoned with lots of sage, onion, celery and black
pepper.
It probably won't be very good, but who knows?

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> On Friday, December 4, 2020 at 6:19:24 AM UTC-6, Gary wrote:
> > On 12/3/2020 11:22 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> > > On 12/3/2020 8:01 PM, cshenk wrote:
> > >> dsi1 wrote:
> > >
> > >>>
> > >>> https://photos.app.goo.gl/3Q7XFY7YZqeEwpfNA
> > >>
> > >> Better you than me!
> > >>
> > >> I dislike Kale. Not fond of turkey and zero fat meatloaf has no
> > >> appeal... Sorry. Normally I love your meals but I'd have a PB&J that
> > >> time!
> > >>
> > >
> > > Only way to use ground turkey is to mix one part turkey to 4 parts pork.
> > > I made sausage like that and it was good. No interest in turkey meatloaf.

> > I would think a turkey meatloaf might be good *if* you make a turkey
> > gravy from turkey stock to pour over the slices.

> Sometimes I can get ground turkey for $.99/#. I'm going to try making a
> small turkey meatloaf, seasoned with lots of sage, onion, celery and black
> pepper.
> It probably won't be very good, but who knows?
>
> --Bryan



Hey Bryan mate, read this and relax while you "beat" your "loaf"...and I hope that your "turkey" makes a nice loud "gobble" :-)


"Glory Hole

Gender: Male
Author: Bruce

I learned how to masturbate at age 11, during the summer of 1990 (I am currently 58). The interesting thing about my discovery is that at that same time, I was also discovering that I was "different." Years later would realize "different" meant I was ***.

That summer I was staying at a local beach with my family, and I had somehow noticed that in one of the public restrooms in the beach center, there was a stall with a small hole that allowed you to see into the next stall. I was curious about this hole, though I did not know why. One time I was there, I saw a guy in the next stall masturbating, though at that age I had no idea what he was doing €” just that he was moving his hand up and down his penis. I tried to imitate what he was doing, and in that process had my first orgasm and ejaculation, though I still had no idea what was going on. Even though it was a bit scary at first, from that day on I continued to masturbate every day, realizing the more I did it how good it felt. I was alarmed at first, though, when my penis seemed to be a bit disfigured (wider at the upper end) from masturbating, but this went away after a few months. I did it in the bathroom, in my bed, wherever I could. It probably wasn't until age 13 that I realized that what I was doing was "masturbating."

When I was 15 I had a friend who talked openly about masturbating. He said he did it every day, like me. (By this age I was probably doing it 12 or 13 times a day.) We talked about where we did it, our techniques, and all that good stuff. It felt great to finally talk about it with someone. Inside, though, I knew I was secretly wishing that I could masturbate with him, or that I could watch him masturbate. I was still in denial about being ***, but knew that I fantasized about boys all the time. There actually was one time that I did get to see him masturbate, because there was a key hole looking into his bathroom, and I knew he did it in the shower. I definitely incorporated my visions of him into my fantasies for quite a while after that experience.

I eventually came out of the closet at age 16, and I found plenty of *** people who were comfortable talking about masturbating, which was great. On the flipside, I was 17 when I started college and shared a room with a straight roommate. I knew right off the bat that I wanted to bring up the topic with him, because I had never shared a room with anyone before, and I had always masturbated when I went to bed at night and didn't plan on stopping. I told him all this, and he was cool about it. He said he would probably do it in the shower, but he didn't care if I did it as long as I wasn't too loud or anything. (I could respect that, even though it was hard, since I am very vocal when I orgasm.) There actually was one time that I did hear him masturbating late at night, when he thought I was asleep, which was a big turn-on for me of course.

At age 58, I still masturbate at least six times a day, 12 or 13 times on a good day. Having an orgasm is still the greatest feeling in the world to me, and it's such a great stress reliever after a long day at work. I have tried many of the techniques but still find the standard pumping-up-and-down-with-my-right-hand to be my favorite method. I hope some of the younger readers out there will read this and realize that they are not alone, and that masturbating is a completely natural and wonderful experience..."

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On Thu, 03 Dec 2020 13:40:34 -0500, Sheldon Martin wrote:

> Another putz who thinks a pto on a diesel tractor will operate without
> diesel fuel... I only wish that were true so I wouldn't need to buy
> diesel. That's like thinking an electic snow blower will operate
> without electricity. Dim Dave!. And we all know about the dim dwarf,
> who thinks fatso sandwiches is cooking. DUH
> Dim Dave and Dim Dwarf are quite the pair... neither ever bought an
> ounce of diesel fuel, Kootchie knows a lot more about motors than
> those two retards.


We all appreciate your well thought-out, logical retorts.

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On Fri, 4 Dec 2020 14:01:28 -0800 (PST), Bryan Simmons
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>On Friday, December 4, 2020 at 6:19:24 AM UTC-6, Gary wrote:
>> On 12/3/2020 11:22 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>> > On 12/3/2020 8:01 PM, cshenk wrote:
>> >> dsi1 wrote:
>> >
>> >>>
>> >>> https://photos.app.goo.gl/3Q7XFY7YZqeEwpfNA
>> >>
>> >> Better you than me!
>> >>
>> >> I dislike Kale. Not fond of turkey and zero fat meatloaf has no
>> >> appeal... Sorry. Normally I love your meals but I'd have a PB&J that
>> >> time!
>> >>
>> >
>> > Only way to use ground turkey is to mix one part turkey to 4 parts pork.
>> > I made sausage like that and it was good. No interest in turkey meatloaf.

>> I would think a turkey meatloaf might be good *if* you make a turkey
>> gravy from turkey stock to pour over the slices.

>
>Sometimes I can get ground turkey for $.99/#. I'm going to try making a
>small turkey meatloaf, seasoned with lots of sage, onion, celery and black
>pepper.
>It probably won't be very good, but who knows?


At least it will be cheap!
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El viernes, 4 de diciembre de 2020 a las 23:25:45 UTC+1, Bruce escribió:
> On Fri, 4 Dec 2020 14:01:28 -0800 (PST), Bryan Simmons
> > wrote:
>
> >On Friday, December 4, 2020 at 6:19:24 AM UTC-6, Gary wrote:
> >> On 12/3/2020 11:22 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> >> > On 12/3/2020 8:01 PM, cshenk wrote:
> >> >> dsi1 wrote:
> >> >
> >> >>>
> >> >>> https://bit.ly/easy_come



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