On 2018-10-27 8:14 PM, cshenk wrote:
> Dave Smith wrote:
>
>> On 2018-10-27 1:10 PM, cshenk wrote:
>>> wrote:
>>
>>>> Why is a 'milk' made from a nut better than natural cows milk?
>>>
>>> It's not and lacks the nutritonal calcium.
>>>
>> They often have supplements.
>
> Sure, but i prefer the real thing.
>

Yes, but real milk also has supplements.

On Sat, 27 Oct 2018 23:46:27 +0100, Janet > wrote:

>In article >,
says...
>>
>> On Saturday, October 27, 2018 at 3:33:32 PM UTC-4, Brice wrote:
>> > On Sat, 27 Oct 2018 14:51:54 -0400, Jack Granade >
>>
>> > All this hatred for an organisation that defends animals is an
>> > interesting psychological phenomenon. I think y'all can't handle that
>> > there are people with higher moral standards than you.
>>
>> Would that be the same organization whose members let lab animals and mink
>> outdoors to fend for themselves, when they are manifestly incapable
>> of doing so, to die of hunger and cold?
>
> The mink could and did fend for themselves by killing lots of fluffy
>bunnies and ickle groundnesting birds and every hen in my henhouse in
>just one night and all the peaceful white doves in my dovecot. St PETA
>is the patron saint of killer mink.

Funny how you're all going out of your way to find fault with PETA,
while you're eating meat all the time and supporting the meat
industry. D o u b l e s t a n d a r d s.

On Sat, 27 Oct 2018 19:11:38 -0500, "cshenk" > wrote:

>Brice wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 27 Oct 2018 09:06:53 -0400, Gary > wrote:
>>
>> > Brice wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Maybe you want to read a less biased version:
>> >>
>> >> https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/peta-taking-pets/
>> >
>> > Maybe YOU want to read my own personal experience with them
>> > rather than rely on internet stories.
>> > I have no respect for them at all. My town killed 60 ferrets only
>> > because they were inconvenient. SPCA and animal shelters refuse
>> > to take ferrets. Some needed some vet care but so much easier to
>> > just kill them all. Peta, with their main headquarters so nearby,
>> > did nothing to intervene.
>>
>> What would your solution have been? What did you do, Ferret Man?
>
>Thats exceptionally unkind, even for you.

Gary's traumatised by 60 ferrets and I can understand why, but not if
he's eating meat all the time and killing much more than 60 ferrets.

On Sat, 27 Oct 2018 18:11:32 -0500, "cshenk" > wrote:

>Gary wrote:
>
>> Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>> >
>> > On Brice wrote:
>> > > It's a great organisation. They defend those who can't defend
>> > > themselves. Very admirable.
>> >
>> > Not necessarily:
>> >
>> >
><https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/killing-animals-petas-open-secret_us_59e78243e4b0e60c4aa36711>
>>
>> I had a very personal encounter with PETA (their main
>> headquarters are located in Norfolk, Va only about 20 miles from
>> me). This was about 10 years ago.
>>
>> It was a ferret holocaust about to happen in Virginia Beach. I
>> emailed Peta right away then followed up with a phone call. I
>> thought maybe they could stop this or at least get it postponed
>> and investigated. Nope. They did nothing at all even though this
>> was so local.
>>
>> I never got a response from them at all about this and the
>> 60-some ferrets were put to death within a day or two. The only
>> thing Peta did was add me to their mailing list. So for the next
>> 6 months, I kept getting emails from them begging for donations.
>> I don't think so. >;-o
>
>I'd just gotten back from Japan then and recall hearing something. No
>details.
>
>Yes, it is embarassing that the HQ of PETA is here. NO ONE here likes
>it. The only saving grace about it is that is partly why we have a
>HUGE no-kill base. Local news reports have shown they don't even have
>holding facilities to use if a healthy pet lands there that is
>adoptable. They do not bother to try.
>
>Check to see if I am right? Last report on local area was they have a
>98% kill ratio.

All the meat you eat once belonged to an animal that was slaughtered
so that you could stuff it in your mouth. If you want to point the
finger, point it at yourself.

On Sat, 27 Oct 2018 18:52:29 -0500, "cshenk" > wrote:

>Brice wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 27 Oct 2018 13:01:10 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
>> > wrote:
>>
>> > On Saturday, October 27, 2018 at 3:33:32 PM UTC-4, Brice wrote:
>> >> On Sat, 27 Oct 2018 14:51:54 -0400, Jack Granade >
>> >
>> >> All this hatred for an organisation that defends animals is an
>> >> interesting psychological phenomenon. I think y'all can't handle
>> that >> there are people with higher moral standards than you.
>> >
>> > Would that be the same organization whose members let lab animals
>> > and mink outdoors to fend for themselves, when they are manifestly
>> > incapable of doing so, to die of hunger and cold?
>>
>> I've heard of that and I disagree with that. But why is it so
>> important to you to prove that PETA aren't perfect? When you vote in
>> an election, do you vote for a perfect party? Do you vote for a party
>> whose members have never done anything you disagree with?
>
>If I find a candidate supports PETA, I vote against them. They are
>nasty horrible people.

They defend the most defenseless. I don't always agree with them, but
overall their heart's in the right place. Something you can 't say of
a meat eater.

On Sat, 27 Oct 2018 19:15:45 -0500, "cshenk" > wrote:

wrote:
>
>> On Saturday, October 27, 2018 at 12:10:08 PM UTC-5, cshenk wrote:
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> > > Why is a 'milk' made from a nut better than natural cows milk?
>> >
>> > It's not and lacks the nutritonal calcium.
>> >
>> I know that but I don't think Bruce knows it. He just likes to stir
>> the pot whether he has any facts or not. His mantra is "why let
>> facts get in the way when a I'm arguing even though I don't have a
>> leg to stand on."
>
>Yeah, he's on a roll. Perhaps we should stop feeding him.

All I did was post one PETA link and then you all went berserk. You're
all lashing out because deep down, you feel guilty. That's why you
hate vegetarians, vegans and PETA. But don't anybody touch your dog,
cat or ferret!

On Sat, 27 Oct 2018 18:17:43 -0500, "cshenk" > wrote:

>Gary wrote:
>
>> l not -l wrote:
>> >
>> > I regularly see lamb hearts in the meat
>> > case at the international grocer. Perhaps those hearts are in the
>> > right place for some; but, not for me. 8-)
>>
>> I rarely see lamb anything in my grocery stores. Certainly never
>> lamb hearts or any other animal hearts for that matter.
>
>Lamb shoulder, 3.97-4.97 just about all the time. Look to the butchers
>area for it.

Lamb? And you point the finger at PETA?

On 10/27/2018 1:40 AM, Cheri wrote:
> > wrote in message
> ...
>> On Friday, October 26, 2018 at 7:37:14 PM UTC-5, Brice wrote:
>>> On Fri, 26 Oct 2018 17:13:50 -0700 (PDT), "
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>> >On Friday, October 26, 2018 at 2:12:15 AM UTC-5, Fake ID wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> Dietitian made us switch to almond milk.* More expensive than
>>> dairy >> milk, but with a substantially longer shelt life.
>>> >>
>>> >> m
>>> >>
>>> >Why?
>>>
>>> It's better for you. Cow's milk is good for infants and calves.
>>>
>> Why is a 'milk' made from a nut better than natural cows milk?
>>
>
> I don't think it's better, it's good though. The best part about it is
> it has a really long life, no sour milk.
>
> Cheri

You can buy shelf-stable cow's milk. No refrigeration required until
the carton is opened.

Jill

On Saturday, October 27, 2018 at 2:24:06 PM UTC-5, Cheri wrote:
>
> > wrote in message
> ...
>
> > On Saturday, October 27, 2018 at 6:15:41 AM UTC-5, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> >>
> >> People who have some problem with milk shouldn't drink milk. The rest
> >> of us will drink milk.
> >>
> >> Cindy Hamilton
> >>
> > YES!!!
> >
>
> Careful, Bruce will be calling you out any second now for agreeing ;-)
>
> Cheri
>
I ain't skeered of him.

On 10/27/2018 7:15 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> On Saturday, October 27, 2018 at 6:39:00 AM UTC-4, Brice wrote:
>> On Sat, 27 Oct 2018 03:22:07 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> On Friday, October 26, 2018 at 9:33:53 PM UTC-4, Brice wrote:
>>>> On Fri, 26 Oct 2018 18:23:21 -0700 (PDT), "
>>>> > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Friday, October 26, 2018 at 7:37:14 PM UTC-5, Brice wrote:
>>>>>> On Fri, 26 Oct 2018 17:13:50 -0700 (PDT), "
>>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Friday, October 26, 2018 at 2:12:15 AM UTC-5, Fake ID wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Dietitian made us switch to almond milk. More expensive than dairy milk, but with a substantially longer shelt life.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> m
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Why?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It's better for you. Cow's milk is good for infants and calves.
>>>>>>
>>>>> Why is a 'milk' made from a nut better than natural cows milk?
>>>>
>>>> <https://www.peta.org.au/living/10-reasons-cows-milk-bad/?gclid=EAIaIQobChMI_Kzs9Lyl3gIVgTUrCh2dFwIvEAAYASA AEgK_LfD_BwE>
>>>
>>> Junk science, wishful interpretation of studies that conclude further
>>> study is required, and quite a few items that are inapplicable to
>>> adults.
>>>
>>> Acne? Really? Who gives a shit?
>>
>> Adolescents give a big shit.
>
> People who have some problem with milk shouldn't drink milk. The rest
> of us will drink milk.
>
> Cindy Hamilton
>
Hear hear! Also, there *is* shelf stable cow's milk available in quart
cartons. Maybe not where the cross-posters come from. But it's
available in the US for sure.

Jill

"Brice" > wrote in message
...
> On Sat, 27 Oct 2018 19:15:45 -0500, "cshenk" > wrote:
>
wrote:
>>
>>> On Saturday, October 27, 2018 at 12:10:08 PM UTC-5, cshenk wrote:
>>> > wrote:
>>> >
>>> > > Why is a 'milk' made from a nut better than natural cows milk?
>>> >
>>> > It's not and lacks the nutritonal calcium.
>>> >
>>> I know that but I don't think Bruce knows it. He just likes to stir
>>> the pot whether he has any facts or not. His mantra is "why let
>>> facts get in the way when a I'm arguing even though I don't have a
>>> leg to stand on."
>>
>>Yeah, he's on a roll. Perhaps we should stop feeding him.
>
> All I did was post one PETA link and then you all went berserk. You're
> all lashing out because deep down, you feel guilty. That's why you
> hate vegetarians, vegans and PETA. But don't anybody touch your dog,
> cat or ferret!


Your crusading *fish breath* is falling on deaf ears here, I love meat, I
will continue to eat meat, and if the situation arose where it was a
necessity, I would eat my dog, cat, or ferret.

Cheri

"jmcquown" > wrote in message
...
> On 10/27/2018 7:15 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>> On Saturday, October 27, 2018 at 6:39:00 AM UTC-4, Brice wrote:
>>> On Sat, 27 Oct 2018 03:22:07 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Friday, October 26, 2018 at 9:33:53 PM UTC-4, Brice wrote:
>>>>> On Fri, 26 Oct 2018 18:23:21 -0700 (PDT), "
>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Friday, October 26, 2018 at 7:37:14 PM UTC-5, Brice wrote:
>>>>>>> On Fri, 26 Oct 2018 17:13:50 -0700 (PDT),
>>>>>>> "
>>>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Friday, October 26, 2018 at 2:12:15 AM UTC-5, Fake ID wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Dietitian made us switch to almond milk. More expensive than
>>>>>>>>> dairy milk, but with a substantially longer shelt life.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> m
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Why?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It's better for you. Cow's milk is good for infants and calves.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Why is a 'milk' made from a nut better than natural cows milk?
>>>>>
>>>>> <https://www.peta.org.au/living/10-reasons-cows-milk-bad/?gclid=EAIaIQobChMI_Kzs9Lyl3gIVgTUrCh2dFwIvEAAYASA AEgK_LfD_BwE>
>>>>
>>>> Junk science, wishful interpretation of studies that conclude further
>>>> study is required, and quite a few items that are inapplicable to
>>>> adults.
>>>>
>>>> Acne? Really? Who gives a shit?
>>>
>>> Adolescents give a big shit.
>>
>> People who have some problem with milk shouldn't drink milk. The rest
>> of us will drink milk.
>>
>> Cindy Hamilton
>>
> Hear hear! Also, there *is* shelf stable cow's milk available in quart
> cartons. Maybe not where the cross-posters come from. But it's available
> in the US for sure.
>
> Jill


I like milk, but I like almond milk better for some things, so the same
thing goes, people who have a problem with almond milk shouldn't drink
almond milk, the rest of us will drink it when we choose to.

Cheri

Cheri

On 10/26/2018 12:39 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 10/26/2018 4:56 AM, micky wrote:
>
>
>> Can't you just get your milkman to leave both milk and cream?
>>
> Sure, just turn the clock back to 1966.Â* That's the last time I saw a
> milkman.

[cross-posting deleted]

LOL Ed. Having missed the original cross-posted query, I don't know
what milk has to do with home repair.

As for emergencies, there is shelf-stable milk available. It's low-fat
(known in the US as 2%) milk. It comes in quart cartons that look
similar to cartons of chicken, beef or vegetable broth. Good to have on
hand in case you run out of milk, or yes, in case of "emergencies".

Jill

On Sat, 27 Oct 2018 18:30:05 -0700, "Cheri" >
wrote:

>"Brice" > wrote in message
.. .
>> On Sat, 27 Oct 2018 19:15:45 -0500, "cshenk" > wrote:
>>
wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Saturday, October 27, 2018 at 12:10:08 PM UTC-5, cshenk wrote:
>>>> > wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> > > Why is a 'milk' made from a nut better than natural cows milk?
>>>> >
>>>> > It's not and lacks the nutritonal calcium.
>>>> >
>>>> I know that but I don't think Bruce knows it. He just likes to stir
>>>> the pot whether he has any facts or not. His mantra is "why let
>>>> facts get in the way when a I'm arguing even though I don't have a
>>>> leg to stand on."
>>>
>>>Yeah, he's on a roll. Perhaps we should stop feeding him.
>>
>> All I did was post one PETA link and then you all went berserk. You're
>> all lashing out because deep down, you feel guilty. That's why you
>> hate vegetarians, vegans and PETA. But don't anybody touch your dog,
>> cat or ferret!
>
>
>Your crusading *fish breath* is falling on deaf ears here, I love meat, I
>will continue to eat meat, and if the situation arose where it was a
>necessity, I would eat my dog, cat, or ferret.


I don't have any illusions that I'm going to make even one person stop
eating meat here. If you don't care, you don't care. I can't change
that.

It's just a bit rich when meat eaters start finger pointing at PETA.
It's like Ted Bundy getting angry with tobacco sellers for selling
cigarettes to women, because it's bad for their health.

On Sat, 27 Oct 2018 21:29:41 -0400, jmcquown >
wrote:

>On 10/27/2018 7:15 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>> On Saturday, October 27, 2018 at 6:39:00 AM UTC-4, Brice wrote:
>>> On Sat, 27 Oct 2018 03:22:07 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Friday, October 26, 2018 at 9:33:53 PM UTC-4, Brice wrote:
>>>>> On Fri, 26 Oct 2018 18:23:21 -0700 (PDT), "
>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Friday, October 26, 2018 at 7:37:14 PM UTC-5, Brice wrote:
>>>>>>> On Fri, 26 Oct 2018 17:13:50 -0700 (PDT), "
>>>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Friday, October 26, 2018 at 2:12:15 AM UTC-5, Fake ID wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Dietitian made us switch to almond milk. More expensive than dairy milk, but with a substantially longer shelt life.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> m
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Why?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It's better for you. Cow's milk is good for infants and calves.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Why is a 'milk' made from a nut better than natural cows milk?
>>>>>
>>>>> <https://www.peta.org.au/living/10-reasons-cows-milk-bad/?gclid=EAIaIQobChMI_Kzs9Lyl3gIVgTUrCh2dFwIvEAAYASA AEgK_LfD_BwE>
>>>>
>>>> Junk science, wishful interpretation of studies that conclude further
>>>> study is required, and quite a few items that are inapplicable to
>>>> adults.
>>>>
>>>> Acne? Really? Who gives a shit?
>>>
>>> Adolescents give a big shit.
>>
>> People who have some problem with milk shouldn't drink milk. The rest
>> of us will drink milk.
>>
>> Cindy Hamilton
>>
>Hear hear! Also, there *is* shelf stable cow's milk available in quart
>cartons. Maybe not where the cross-posters come from. But it's
>available in the US for sure.

Another Sherlock agreeing with Captain Obvious.

On Sat, 27 Oct 2018 21:20:59 -0400, jmcquown >
wrote:

>On 10/27/2018 1:40 AM, Cheri wrote:
>> > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> On Friday, October 26, 2018 at 7:37:14 PM UTC-5, Brice wrote:
>>>> On Fri, 26 Oct 2018 17:13:50 -0700 (PDT), "
>>>> > wrote:
>>>>
>>>> >On Friday, October 26, 2018 at 2:12:15 AM UTC-5, Fake ID wrote:
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Dietitian made us switch to almond milk.* More expensive than
>>>> dairy >> milk, but with a substantially longer shelt life.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> m
>>>> >>
>>>> >Why?
>>>>
>>>> It's better for you. Cow's milk is good for infants and calves.
>>>>
>>> Why is a 'milk' made from a nut better than natural cows milk?
>>>
>>
>> I don't think it's better, it's good though. The best part about it is
>> it has a really long life, no sour milk.
>>
>> Cheri
>
>You can buy shelf-stable cow's milk. No refrigeration required until
>the carton is opened.
>
>Jill

Or hire an adult wet nurse.

On 10/27/2018 3:01 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 10/27/2018 1:14 PM, Janet wrote:
>
>>
>> PETA associates have been involved in some incidents involving the
>> alleged theft and/or euthanization of family pets."
>>
>> Â*Â*Â* Janet UK
>>
> I don't know what PETA policy is, but at least some of the more radicals
> don't think animals should be kept as pets.

I understand why PETA objects to people wearing animal furs. (Kind of
ironic given ancient human istory.) These days no one needs to be
strutting around in a mink coat. Or testing makeup on animals. Rabbits
don't wear eye shadow or mascara. I get that.

But when they start acting like a bunch of lunatics, trying to keep
people from having a pet dog or a cat... sorry, they're nuts.

This harks back to ancient history. Dogs and cats have been
*domesticated* since the earliest known civilizations. Well treated.
Helpful. Valuable, even.

PETA's so-called shelters are known for euthanizing. Their official web
site shows some horrific images. Worst cases, of course. They don't
seem to keep and try to rehome the adoptable ones.

PETA is purely a "cause" organization, apparently powered by some rather
mixed up vegans. "Don't wear leather!" But it's okay for them to kill
someone's dog.

Jill

On 2018-10-27 10:17 PM, jmcquown wrote:
> On 10/27/2018 3:01 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>> On 10/27/2018 1:14 PM, Janet wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> PETA associates have been involved in some incidents involving the
>>> alleged theft and/or euthanization of family pets."
>>>
>>> Â*Â*Â* Janet UK
>>>
>> I don't know what PETA policy is, but at least some of the more
>> radicals don't think animals should be kept as pets.
>
> I understand why PETA objects to people wearing animal furs. (Kind of
> ironic given ancient human istory.)Â* These days no one needs to be
> strutting around in a mink coat.Â* Or testing makeup on animals.Â* Rabbits
> don't wear eye shadow or mascara.Â* I get that.

You live in a climate where you don't need leather and fur for warmth.
For thousands of years humans in northern lands have used fur to survive
the elements. I have a couple of fur hats that were special presents. I
don't often wear them because it isn't usually old enough to need them
here, but on those extremely cold days there is nothing quite like fur
for warmth.

On 10/27/2018 9:38 PM, Cheri wrote:
> "jmcquown" > wrote in message
> ...
>> On 10/27/2018 7:15 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>> On Saturday, October 27, 2018 at 6:39:00 AM UTC-4, Brice wrote:
>>>> On Sat, 27 Oct 2018 03:22:07 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
>>>> > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Friday, October 26, 2018 at 9:33:53 PM UTC-4, Brice wrote:
>>>>>> On Fri, 26 Oct 2018 18:23:21 -0700 (PDT), "
>>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Friday, October 26, 2018 at 7:37:14 PM UTC-5, Brice wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Fri, 26 Oct 2018 17:13:50 -0700 (PDT),
>>>>>>>> "
>>>>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Friday, October 26, 2018 at 2:12:15 AM UTC-5, Fake ID wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Dietitian made us switch to almond milk.* More expensive than
>>>>>>>>>> dairy milk, but with a substantially longer shelt life.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> m
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Why?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It's better for you. Cow's milk is good for infants and calves.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Why is a 'milk' made from a nut better than natural cows milk?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> <https://www.peta.org.au/living/10-reasons-cows-milk-bad/?gclid=EAIaIQobChMI_Kzs9Lyl3gIVgTUrCh2dFwIvEAAYASA AEgK_LfD_BwE>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Junk science, wishful interpretation of studies that conclude further
>>>>> study is required, and quite a few items that are inapplicable to
>>>>> adults.
>>>>>
>>>>> Acne?* Really?* Who gives a shit?
>>>>
>>>> Adolescents give a big shit.
>>>
>>> People who have some problem with milk shouldn't drink milk.* The rest
>>> of us will drink milk.
>>>
>>> Cindy Hamilton
>>>
>> Hear hear!* Also, there *is* shelf stable cow's milk available in
>> quart cartons.* Maybe not where the cross-posters come from.* But it's
>> available in the US for sure.
>>
>> Jill
>
>
> I like milk, but I like almond milk better for some things, so the same
> thing goes, people who have a problem with almond milk shouldn't drink
> almond milk, the rest of us will drink it when we choose to.
>
> Cheri
>
Of course, if you like it by all means use almond milk. I guess I was
wondering why Bruce/Brice is so against milk. Concerns as cited by
PETA. Acne, really?

I drink milk. I don't have acne. I don't recall having problems with
acne when I was an adolescent, either. Seems to me I always had clear
healthy skin, only an occasional zit. Certainly no teenage angst about
acne. I drank milk then, too.

I love this quote from his PETA link:

"In a Swedish medical study, women who consumed large quantities of
dairy milk daily were more likely to sustain fractures than those who
drank little to no milk. Instead of promoting bone health, animal
protein in dairy products can have a calcium-leaching effect."

I'm sorry, but that's quack science with *one* random Swedish study to
back up the claim. Uh huh. We all know Bruce has an agenda.

I'll continue to drink/use milk, you enjoy your almond milk!

I'll let everyone know if I develop acne.

Jill

Jill

On Sat, 27 Oct 2018 22:17:01 -0400, jmcquown >
wrote:

>On 10/27/2018 3:01 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>> On 10/27/2018 1:14 PM, Janet wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> PETA associates have been involved in some incidents involving the
>>> alleged theft and/or euthanization of family pets."
>>>
>>> *** Janet UK
>>>
>> I don't know what PETA policy is, but at least some of the more radicals
>> don't think animals should be kept as pets.
>
>I understand why PETA objects to people wearing animal furs.

Good. Stop while you're ahead.

On 10/27/2018 9:48 PM, Brice wrote:

> I don't have any illusions that I'm going to make even one person stop
> eating meat here. If you don't care, you don't care. I can't change
> that.
>
> It's just a bit rich when meat eaters start finger pointing at PETA.
> It's like Ted Bundy getting angry with tobacco sellers for selling
> cigarettes to women, because it's bad for their health.
>

I have no problem with PETA or anyone assuring proper treatment of
animals. A lot of industrial meat is not raised in a good environment.
Animals for pets, food, or in the wild should not be treated poorly.

Like any organization, there are usually extremists that go too far.

"jmcquown" > wrote in message
...
> On 10/27/2018 9:38 PM, Cheri wrote:
>> "jmcquown" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> On 10/27/2018 7:15 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>>> On Saturday, October 27, 2018 at 6:39:00 AM UTC-4, Brice wrote:
>>>>> On Sat, 27 Oct 2018 03:22:07 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Friday, October 26, 2018 at 9:33:53 PM UTC-4, Brice wrote:
>>>>>>> On Fri, 26 Oct 2018 18:23:21 -0700 (PDT),
>>>>>>> "
>>>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Friday, October 26, 2018 at 7:37:14 PM UTC-5, Brice wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 26 Oct 2018 17:13:50 -0700 (PDT),
>>>>>>>>> "
>>>>>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Friday, October 26, 2018 at 2:12:15 AM UTC-5, Fake ID wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Dietitian made us switch to almond milk. More expensive than
>>>>>>>>>>> dairy milk, but with a substantially longer shelt life.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> m
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Why?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> It's better for you. Cow's milk is good for infants and calves.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Why is a 'milk' made from a nut better than natural cows milk?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> <https://www.peta.org.au/living/10-reasons-cows-milk-bad/?gclid=EAIaIQobChMI_Kzs9Lyl3gIVgTUrCh2dFwIvEAAYASA AEgK_LfD_BwE>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Junk science, wishful interpretation of studies that conclude further
>>>>>> study is required, and quite a few items that are inapplicable to
>>>>>> adults.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Acne? Really? Who gives a shit?
>>>>>
>>>>> Adolescents give a big shit.
>>>>
>>>> People who have some problem with milk shouldn't drink milk. The rest
>>>> of us will drink milk.
>>>>
>>>> Cindy Hamilton
>>>>
>>> Hear hear! Also, there *is* shelf stable cow's milk available in quart
>>> cartons. Maybe not where the cross-posters come from. But it's available
>>> in the US for sure.
>>>
>>> Jill
>>
>>
>> I like milk, but I like almond milk better for some things, so the same
>> thing goes, people who have a problem with almond milk shouldn't drink
>> almond milk, the rest of us will drink it when we choose to.
>>
>> Cheri
>>
> Of course, if you like it by all means use almond milk. I guess I was
> wondering why Bruce/Brice is so against milk. Concerns as cited by PETA.
> Acne, really?
>
> I drink milk. I don't have acne. I don't recall having problems with
> acne when I was an adolescent, either. Seems to me I always had clear
> healthy skin, only an occasional zit. Certainly no teenage angst about
> acne. I drank milk then, too.
>
> I love this quote from his PETA link:
>
> "In a Swedish medical study, women who consumed large quantities of dairy
> milk daily were more likely to sustain fractures than those who drank
> little to no milk. Instead of promoting bone health, animal protein in
> dairy products can have a calcium-leaching effect."
>
> I'm sorry, but that's quack science with *one* random Swedish study to
> back up the claim. Uh huh. We all know Bruce has an agenda.
>
> I'll continue to drink/use milk, you enjoy your almond milk!
>
> I'll let everyone know if I develop acne.
>
> Jill

I'm sorry Jill, but I don't really take anything Bruce says on the subject
of meat, meat eaters or animal products seriously, same with his posted
ingredient lists, when it becomes tiresome not many pay any attention. As
far as acne goes, in our family of 7 kids, not one of us ever had acne and
we drank a lot of milk.

Cheri

On Sat, 27 Oct 2018 22:59:35 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:

>On 10/27/2018 9:48 PM, Brice wrote:
>
>> I don't have any illusions that I'm going to make even one person stop
>> eating meat here. If you don't care, you don't care. I can't change
>> that.
>>
>> It's just a bit rich when meat eaters start finger pointing at PETA.
>> It's like Ted Bundy getting angry with tobacco sellers for selling
>> cigarettes to women, because it's bad for their health.
>>
>
>I have no problem with PETA or anyone assuring proper treatment of
>animals. A lot of industrial meat is not raised in a good environment.
>Animals for pets, food, or in the wild should not be treated poorly.
>
>Like any organization, there are usually extremists that go too far.

I agree.

On Sat, 27 Oct 2018 20:47:24 -0700, "Cheri" >
wrote:

>"jmcquown" > wrote in message
...

>> I'll let everyone know if I develop acne.
>>
>> Jill
>
>I'm sorry Jill, but I don't really take anything Bruce says on the subject
>of meat, meat eaters or animal products seriously, same with his posted
>ingredient lists, when it becomes tiresome not many pay any attention. As
>far as acne goes, in our family of 7 kids, not one of us ever had acne and
>we drank a lot of milk.

I didn't start this. I'm also not talking to myself. So if it's
tiresome, don't look at me. I also don't know why you're all so
obsessed by acne. To each their own, though.

On Saturday, October 27, 2018 at 6:46:36 PM UTC-4, Janet wrote:
> In article >,
> says...
> >
> > On Saturday, October 27, 2018 at 3:33:32 PM UTC-4, Brice wrote:
> > > On Sat, 27 Oct 2018 14:51:54 -0400, Jack Granade >
> >
> > > All this hatred for an organisation that defends animals is an
> > > interesting psychological phenomenon. I think y'all can't handle that
> > > there are people with higher moral standards than you.
> >
> > Would that be the same organization whose members let lab animals and mink
> > outdoors to fend for themselves, when they are manifestly incapable
> > of doing so, to die of hunger and cold?
>
> The mink could and did fend for themselves by killing lots of fluffy
> bunnies and ickle groundnesting birds and every hen in my henhouse in
> just one night and all the peaceful white doves in my dovecot. St PETA
> is the patron saint of killer mink.
>
> Janet UK

Were those wild mink? Those from a mink farm have limited abilities to
do anything but eat Purina Mink Chow.

Cindy Hamilton

On Saturday, October 27, 2018 at 4:06:55 PM UTC-4, Brice wrote:
> On Sat, 27 Oct 2018 13:01:10 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
> > wrote:
>
> >On Saturday, October 27, 2018 at 3:33:32 PM UTC-4, Brice wrote:
> >> On Sat, 27 Oct 2018 14:51:54 -0400, Jack Granade >
> >
> >> All this hatred for an organisation that defends animals is an
> >> interesting psychological phenomenon. I think y'all can't handle that
> >> there are people with higher moral standards than you.
> >
> >Would that be the same organization whose members let lab animals and mink
> >outdoors to fend for themselves, when they are manifestly incapable
> >of doing so, to die of hunger and cold?
>
> I've heard of that and I disagree with that. But why is it so
> important to you to prove that PETA aren't perfect?

Because you don't seem to be using critical thinking when it comes
to PETA.

> When you vote in
> an election, do you vote for a perfect party? Do you vote for a party
> whose members have never done anything you disagree with?

Obviously not. I also don't get my panties in a wad when they're
outed for their imperfections. Unlike you with respect to PETA.

Cindy Hamilton

On Sun, 28 Oct 2018 03:31:54 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
> wrote:

>On Saturday, October 27, 2018 at 4:06:55 PM UTC-4, Brice wrote:
>> On Sat, 27 Oct 2018 13:01:10 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
>> > wrote:
>>
>> >On Saturday, October 27, 2018 at 3:33:32 PM UTC-4, Brice wrote:
>> >> On Sat, 27 Oct 2018 14:51:54 -0400, Jack Granade >
>> >
>> >> All this hatred for an organisation that defends animals is an
>> >> interesting psychological phenomenon. I think y'all can't handle that
>> >> there are people with higher moral standards than you.
>> >
>> >Would that be the same organization whose members let lab animals and mink
>> >outdoors to fend for themselves, when they are manifestly incapable
>> >of doing so, to die of hunger and cold?
>>
>> I've heard of that and I disagree with that. But why is it so
>> important to you to prove that PETA aren't perfect?
>
>Because you don't seem to be using critical thinking when it comes
>to PETA.

Of course I do. When they're wrong, they're wrong. But urban myths
about the PETA, coming from meat eaters, aren't the most reliable
source. "Keep your pets inside, the PETA are coming to town!" LOL.

>> When you vote in
>> an election, do you vote for a perfect party? Do you vote for a party
>> whose members have never done anything you disagree with?
>
>Obviously not. I also don't get my panties in a wad when they're
>outed for their imperfections. Unlike you with respect to PETA.

When they're wrong, they're wrong. No panties, no wad.

"rbowman" > wrote in message
...
> On 10/25/2018 09:05 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>> We use very little milk. usually buy a quart for $1.19 at the
>> supermarket. Monday I happened to be in WalMart so I figured I'd get it
>> there. The do not carry quarts, but a half gallon there was only 80
>> cents.
>
> I didn't know the Chinese were into milking cows...
>
> https://www.ams.usda.gov/mnreports/dybretail.pdf
>
> Advertised Prices for Dairy Products at Major Retail Supermarket Outlets
> ending during the period of 10/19/2018 to 10/25/2018
>
> The national weighted average advertised price for conventional milk half
> gallons is $2.37
>
> Is Walmart's milk like their meat -- 20% water added to enhance the
> flavor? I recall a First Communion primer illustrated adultery as a man
> in a mask pouring water into a milk can. I guess for that age group it was
> better than discussing the sex habits of presidents.

Not all Walmart meat is that way. They have been selling grass fed beef,
organic and non-organic for some time now.

"Vic Smith" > wrote in message
...
> On Thu, 25 Oct 2018 22:43:37 -0300, Carlos Eduardo Vieira
> > wrote:
>
>>I'm not sure which ng to ask this question in, but it's related to homes
>>but not to repair and it's related to food but not to cooking.
>>
>>I use Costco milk and cream (the real stuff, 100% stuff, not the watered
>>down stuff) for my ice cream and coffee.
>>
>>I live a score of miles from the nearest grocery store (other than a 7-11
>>gas station complex about a dozen miles away at a highway exit), which
>>makes a round trip for milk an hour in transit (there's generally no
>>traffic unless there's an accident).
>>
>>For emergencies for the milk for ice cream and coffee, I have resorted to
>>canned milk (both types) but they change the flavor too much (they're not
>>really milk at all, it seems).
>>
>>Then someone suggested "powdered milk", which I went to the grocery store
>>to buy, only to my horror to find that it's far more expensive than fresh
>>milk! (About $18 for 20 quarts worth of the powder.)
>>
>>Normally the "crap" solution is the cheapest, where I was in for a shock
>>that the price for that crap powdered milk solution is more than twice the
>>price for the fresh milk solution.
>>
>>Why?
>>
>>Do you find the same price disparity where you live?
>>Is there any other "emergency milk" solution out there?
>
> My mom used to feed us milk from powder in the 50's. It was cheaper, and
> I didn't like it,
> but it wasn't as bad when ice cold, and I guess it had the same
> nutritional value as milk.
> I think it was for about a year, and probably due to high milk prices.
> I only pay 2 bucks for a gallon of whole milk, so wouldn't even consider
> it now.
> This one has decent reviews on Amazon, but it's still about 4 bucks a
> gallon.
> https://tinyurl.com/y7esaj58

We had that too, most of the time. It was cheaper back then. It's not now.
Not here anyway. I've always hated to drink milk but the powdered was really
yucky. I don't mind using it in cooking though.

In article >,
says...
>
> On Saturday, October 27, 2018 at 6:46:36 PM UTC-4, Janet wrote:
> > In article >,
> > says...
> > >
> > > On Saturday, October 27, 2018 at 3:33:32 PM UTC-4, Brice wrote:
> > > > On Sat, 27 Oct 2018 14:51:54 -0400, Jack Granade >
> > >
> > > > All this hatred for an organisation that defends animals is an
> > > > interesting psychological phenomenon. I think y'all can't handle that
> > > > there are people with higher moral standards than you.
> > >
> > > Would that be the same organization whose members let lab animals and mink
> > > outdoors to fend for themselves, when they are manifestly incapable
> > > of doing so, to die of hunger and cold?
> >
> > The mink could and did fend for themselves by killing lots of fluffy
> > bunnies and ickle groundnesting birds and every hen in my henhouse in
> > just one night and all the peaceful white doves in my dovecot. St PETA
> > is the patron saint of killer mink.
> >
> > Janet UK
>
> Were those wild mink?

They are now :-(

> Those from a mink farm have limited abilities to
> do anything but eat Purina Mink Chow.

Mink are not native to Britain, they are an invasive introduction.

Only a century ago American mink were introduced for commercial fur
farming (now banned). Escapes and intentional releases resulted in the
feral American mink population that now breeds and thrives over much of
rural UK.
They are common along waterways. A right pain to rural poultry keepers
and fish ponds, and a threat to several native species.

https://canalrivertrust.org.uk/enjoy...nal-and-river-
wildlife/the-rogues-gallery/american-mink

https://www.nature.scot/plants-anima.../mammals/land-
mammals/american-mink



Janet

Brice wrote:
>
> Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> >Obviously not. I also don't get my panties in a wad when they're
> >outed for their imperfections. Unlike you with respect to PETA.
>
> When they're wrong, they're wrong. No panties, no wad.

You two might want to stop talking about panties here. Don't
forget, Sheldon's around and when he writes at night, he's only
wearing a t-shirt and sandals. ;o

On Sunday, October 28, 2018 at 8:08:11 AM UTC-4, Janet wrote:
> In article >,
> says...
> >
> > On Saturday, October 27, 2018 at 6:46:36 PM UTC-4, Janet wrote:
> > > In article >,
> > > says...
> > > >
> > > > On Saturday, October 27, 2018 at 3:33:32 PM UTC-4, Brice wrote:
> > > > > On Sat, 27 Oct 2018 14:51:54 -0400, Jack Granade >
> > > >
> > > > > All this hatred for an organisation that defends animals is an
> > > > > interesting psychological phenomenon. I think y'all can't handle that
> > > > > there are people with higher moral standards than you.
> > > >
> > > > Would that be the same organization whose members let lab animals and mink
> > > > outdoors to fend for themselves, when they are manifestly incapable
> > > > of doing so, to die of hunger and cold?
> > >
> > > The mink could and did fend for themselves by killing lots of fluffy
> > > bunnies and ickle groundnesting birds and every hen in my henhouse in
> > > just one night and all the peaceful white doves in my dovecot. St PETA
> > > is the patron saint of killer mink.
> > >
> > > Janet UK
> >
> > Were those wild mink?
>
> They are now :-(
>
> > Those from a mink farm have limited abilities to
> > do anything but eat Purina Mink Chow.
>
> Mink are not native to Britain, they are an invasive introduction.
>
> Only a century ago American mink were introduced for commercial fur
> farming (now banned). Escapes and intentional releases resulted in the
> feral American mink population that now breeds and thrives over much of
> rural UK.
> They are common along waterways. A right pain to rural poultry keepers
> and fish ponds, and a threat to several native species.
>
> https://canalrivertrust.org.uk/enjoy...nal-and-river-
> wildlife/the-rogues-gallery/american-mink
>
> https://www.nature.scot/plants-anima.../mammals/land-
> mammals/american-mink

Those comprise excellent reasons not to loose animals into the wild.
Well-meaning but essentially clueless animal rights activists should
just leave the animals where they are and use political/legal means
to achieve their goals.

Cindy Hamilton

On Sat, 27 Oct 2018 22:28:25 -0400, Dave Smith
> wrote:

>On 2018-10-27 10:17 PM, jmcquown wrote:
>> On 10/27/2018 3:01 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>>> On 10/27/2018 1:14 PM, Janet wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> PETA associates have been involved in some incidents involving the
>>>> alleged theft and/or euthanization of family pets."
>>>>
>>>> *** Janet UK
>>>>
>>> I don't know what PETA policy is, but at least some of the more
>>> radicals don't think animals should be kept as pets.
>>
>> I understand why PETA objects to people wearing animal furs. (Kind of
>> ironic given ancient human istory.)* These days no one needs to be
>> strutting around in a mink coat.* Or testing makeup on animals.* Rabbits
>> don't wear eye shadow or mascara.* I get that.
>
>You live in a climate where you don't need leather and fur for warmth.
>For thousands of years humans in northern lands have used fur to survive
>the elements. I have a couple of fur hats that were special presents. I
>don't often wear them because it isn't usually old enough to need them
>here, but on those extremely cold days there is nothing quite like fur
>for warmth.

Fur garments won't keep you very warm unless they're worn with the fur
towards the inside... and that's how they were worn in cold climes
many years ago. But the fact is that knitted wool garments are
warmer, and modern synthetics are warmer still. Today people wear fur
garments with the fur towards the outside only to display their wealth
and ignorance.

On 10/28/2018 05:30 AM, Julie Bove wrote:
>
> "rbowman" > wrote in message
> ...
>> On 10/25/2018 09:05 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>>> We use very little milk. usually buy a quart for $1.19 at the
>>> supermarket. Monday I happened to be in WalMart so I figured I'd get it
>>> there. The do not carry quarts, but a half gallon there was only 80
>>> cents.
>>
>> I didn't know the Chinese were into milking cows...
>>
>> https://www.ams.usda.gov/mnreports/dybretail.pdf
>>
>> Advertised Prices for Dairy Products at Major Retail Supermarket
>> Outlets ending during the period of 10/19/2018 to 10/25/2018
>>
>> The national weighted average advertised price for conventional milk
>> half gallons is $2.37
>>
>> Is Walmart's milk like their meat -- 20% water added to enhance the
>> flavor? I recall a First Communion primer illustrated adultery as a
>> man in a mask pouring water into a milk can. I guess for that age
>> group it was better than discussing the sex habits of presidents.
>
> Not all Walmart meat is that way. They have been selling grass fed beef,
> organic and non-organic for some time now.

Okay. I haven't been in a Walmart this year iirc. It's my store of last
resort if I can't find an item locally. Even then it's usually a brief
stop on the way to Amazon. The few times I wandered to the grocery
section I wasn't impressed.

On 10/28/2018 05:33 AM, Julie Bove wrote:
> We had that too, most of the time. It was cheaper back then. It's not
> now. Not here anyway. I've always hated to drink milk but the powdered
> was really yucky. I don't mind using it in cooking though.

Back in the day I used it to make yogurt from a recipe gleaned from the
Whole Earth Catalog. It wasn't bad but I doubt it would be worthwhile
now when everybody and their cousin is making yogurt and one brand or
the other is always on sale.

http://guide.sportsmansguide.com/tip...red-milk-ever/

That's the best one I found. It wasn't cheap and it was off the market
for a while.

On Sun, 28 Oct 2018 05:52:53 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
> wrote:

>On Sunday, October 28, 2018 at 8:08:11 AM UTC-4, Janet wrote:
>> In article >,
>> says...
>> >
>> > Were those wild mink?
>>
>> They are now :-(
>>
>> > Those from a mink farm have limited abilities to
>> > do anything but eat Purina Mink Chow.
>>
>> Mink are not native to Britain, they are an invasive introduction.
>>
>> Only a century ago American mink were introduced for commercial fur
>> farming (now banned). Escapes and intentional releases resulted in the
>> feral American mink population that now breeds and thrives over much of
>> rural UK.
>> They are common along waterways. A right pain to rural poultry keepers
>> and fish ponds, and a threat to several native species.
>>
>> https://canalrivertrust.org.uk/enjoy...nal-and-river-
>> wildlife/the-rogues-gallery/american-mink
>>
>> https://www.nature.scot/plants-anima.../mammals/land-
>> mammals/american-mink
>
>Those comprise excellent reasons not to loose animals into the wild.
>Well-meaning but essentially clueless animal rights activists should
>just leave the animals where they are and use political/legal means
>to achieve their goals.

I don't think anybody in their right mind's going to disagree with
that.

On 2018-10-28 11:19 AM, Brice wrote:
> On Sun, 28 Oct 2018 05:52:53 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
> > wrote:
>
>> On Sunday, October 28, 2018 at 8:08:11 AM UTC-4, Janet wrote:
>>> In article >,
>>> says...
>>>>
>>>> Were those wild mink?
>>>
>>> They are now :-(
>>>
>>>> Those from a mink farm have limited abilities to
>>>> do anything but eat Purina Mink Chow.
>>>
>>> Mink are not native to Britain, they are an invasive introduction.
>>>
>>> Only a century ago American mink were introduced for commercial fur
>>> farming (now banned). Escapes and intentional releases resulted in the
>>> feral American mink population that now breeds and thrives over much of
>>> rural UK.
>>> They are common along waterways. A right pain to rural poultry keepers
>>> and fish ponds, and a threat to several native species.
>>>
>>> https://canalrivertrust.org.uk/enjoy...nal-and-river-
>>> wildlife/the-rogues-gallery/american-mink
>>>
>>> https://www.nature.scot/plants-anima.../mammals/land-
>>> mammals/american-mink
>>
>> Those comprise excellent reasons not to loose animals into the wild.
>> Well-meaning but essentially clueless animal rights activists should
>> just leave the animals where they are and use political/legal means
>> to achieve their goals.
>
> I don't think anybody in their right mind's going to disagree with
> that.
>
But that's the whole point! Those animal rights nutters are *not* rational!

On Sun, 28 Oct 2018 12:38:37 -0600, graham > wrote:

>On 2018-10-28 11:19 AM, Brice wrote:
>> On Sun, 28 Oct 2018 05:52:53 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> On Sunday, October 28, 2018 at 8:08:11 AM UTC-4, Janet wrote:
>>>> In article >,
>>>> says...
>>>>>
>>>>> Were those wild mink?
>>>>
>>>> They are now :-(
>>>>
>>>>> Those from a mink farm have limited abilities to
>>>>> do anything but eat Purina Mink Chow.
>>>>
>>>> Mink are not native to Britain, they are an invasive introduction.
>>>>
>>>> Only a century ago American mink were introduced for commercial fur
>>>> farming (now banned). Escapes and intentional releases resulted in the
>>>> feral American mink population that now breeds and thrives over much of
>>>> rural UK.
>>>> They are common along waterways. A right pain to rural poultry keepers
>>>> and fish ponds, and a threat to several native species.
>>>>
>>>> https://canalrivertrust.org.uk/enjoy...nal-and-river-
>>>> wildlife/the-rogues-gallery/american-mink
>>>>
>>>> https://www.nature.scot/plants-anima.../mammals/land-
>>>> mammals/american-mink
>>>
>>> Those comprise excellent reasons not to loose animals into the wild.
>>> Well-meaning but essentially clueless animal rights activists should
>>> just leave the animals where they are and use political/legal means
>>> to achieve their goals.
>>
>> I don't think anybody in their right mind's going to disagree with
>> that.
>>
>But that's the whole point! Those animal rights nutters are *not* rational!

The nutters aren't. But you can't judge the entire organisation on a
couple of nutter members. Every organisation has those. Besides, it IS
a cruel industry. (Nobody cares, I know.)

Brice wrote:

> On Sat, 27 Oct 2018 18:11:32 -0500, "cshenk" > wrote:
>
> > Gary wrote:
> >
> >> Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> >> >
> >> > On Brice wrote:
> >> > > It's a great organisation. They defend those who can't defend
> >> > > themselves. Very admirable.
> >> >
> >> > Not necessarily:
> >> >
> >> >
> >
<https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/killing-animals-petas-open-secret_us_59e78243e4b0e60c4aa36711>
> >>
> >> I had a very personal encounter with PETA (their main
> >> headquarters are located in Norfolk, Va only about 20 miles from
> >> me). This was about 10 years ago.
> >>
> >> It was a ferret holocaust about to happen in Virginia Beach. I
> >> emailed Peta right away then followed up with a phone call. I
> >> thought maybe they could stop this or at least get it postponed
> >> and investigated. Nope. They did nothing at all even though this
> >> was so local.
> >>
> >> I never got a response from them at all about this and the
> >> 60-some ferrets were put to death within a day or two. The only
> >> thing Peta did was add me to their mailing list. So for the next
> >> 6 months, I kept getting emails from them begging for donations.
> >> I don't think so. >;-o
> >
> > I'd just gotten back from Japan then and recall hearing something.
> > No details.
> >
> > Yes, it is embarassing that the HQ of PETA is here. NO ONE here
> > likes it. The only saving grace about it is that is partly why we
> > have a HUGE no-kill base. Local news reports have shown they don't
> > even have holding facilities to use if a healthy pet lands there
> > that is adoptable. They do not bother to try.
> >
> > Check to see if I am right? Last report on local area was they
> > have a 98% kill ratio.
>
> All the meat you eat once belonged to an animal that was slaughtered
> so that you could stuff it in your mouth. If you want to point the
> finger, point it at yourself.

Are you an idiot or just posting as one?

Most of us kf's Brucie and only suffer your return if you add to a
conversation. Lately you have not. I am OVER IT TROLL.

Gary wrote:

> Brice wrote:
> >
> > On Sat, 27 Oct 2018 03:26:05 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
> > > wrote:
> >
> > > On Saturday, October 27, 2018 at 2:44:27 AM UTC-4, Brice wrote:
> > >> On Fri, 26 Oct 2018 22:44:01 -0700, "Cheri" >
> > >> wrote:
> > > >
> > >> > wrote in message
> > >> ...
> > >> >> On Saturday, October 27, 2018 at 12:02:59 AM UTC-5, Brice
> > wrote: >> >>>
> > >> >>> What can be wrong with advocating ethical treatment of
> > animals? They >> >>> may not be perfect, but at least their heart's
> > in the right place >> >>>
> > >> >> I believe their heart is in their chest except when a turkey
> > heart is used >> >> for giblet gravy.
> > >> >>
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >Or a stuffed beef heart.
> > > >
> > >> It's a great organisation. They defend those who can't defend
> > >> themselves. Very admirable.
> > >
> > > Not necessarily:
> > >
> > >
<https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/killing-animals-petas-open-secret_us_59e78243e4b0e60c4aa36711>
> >
> > Maybe you want to read a less biased version:
> >
> > https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/peta-taking-pets/
>
> Maybe YOU want to read my own personal experience with them
> rather than rely on internet stories.
> I have no respect for them at all. My town killed 60 ferrets only
> because they were inconvenient. SPCA and animal shelters refuse
> to take ferrets. Some needed some vet care but so much easier to
> just kill them all. Peta, with their main headquarters so nearby,
> did nothing to intervene.

Gary, Brice is the troll Bruce, AKA Brucie and several other names. Do
not let him bother you. He also nym shifts to use real folks names so
don't be shocked if a fake note comes out from 'me' that isnt. Thats
how these folks work.