On 9/13/2018 12:49 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 9/13/2018 12:31 PM, Nancy Young wrote:
>
>> It's better than how we take someone being called a cow, still, she
>> had a meltdown and she's a bitch?Â* What do you call men who have done
>> the same?

> Role model?Â* Millionaire?Â*Â*Â* Seems to work that way.

It certainly seems more acceptable, men are just being tough or
aggressive ... things men are praised for.

People are acting like Serena stole someone's kid. She had enough
of the double standard and just lost it. No reason to be going on
and on like she should be crucified.

nancy

On Thu, 13 Sep 2018 12:31:22 -0400, Nancy Young >
wrote:

>On 9/13/2018 11:48 AM, Janet wrote:
>> In article >, says...
>>>
>>> "Nancy Young" > wrote
>
>>>> Wow, I haven't been following along, but calling Serena a cow???
>
>>> Yep, I have never heard any woman being called a cow where it was a
>>> compliment, it's disgusting IMO, inferring big, slow moving, stupid, and
>>> clumsy, which Serena definitely is not.
>>
>> Graham, an ex-Brit iirc, is probably using it in the Brit slang
>> sense, which roughly translates as calling a woman a bitch.
>
>It's better than how we take someone being called a cow, still, she
>had a meltdown and she's a bitch? What do you call men who have done
>the same?
>
>nancy

A man have a melt down???? Dave Smith gonna hatchet you!!!

On Thu, 13 Sep 2018 09:35:03 -0700, "Cheri" >
wrote:

>"Janet" > wrote in message
et...
>> In article >, says...
>>>
>>> Yep, I have never heard any woman being called a cow where it was a
>>> compliment, it's disgusting IMO, inferring big, slow moving, stupid, and
>>> clumsy, which Serena definitely is not.
>>
>> Graham, an ex-Brit iirc, is probably using it in the Brit slang
>> sense, which roughly translates as calling a woman a bitch.
>>
>> Calling a woman a cow, isn't a reference to bovine similarities, nor
>> is calling her a bitch a reference to doglike qualities. Calling her a
>> bird, hen, duck,chick doesn't remotely imply she flies and has feathers.
>>
>> Janet UK
>
>
>I have no idea what it means in a Brit slang sense, but calling her a bitch
>is even worse IMO, I only know what it means in the USA which is stated in
>my post.

Well, now you know. You've been informed about something in another
country. Did you know there were other countries?

In article >,
says...
>
> On 9/13/2018 12:49 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> > On 9/13/2018 12:31 PM, Nancy Young wrote:
> >
> >> It's better than how we take someone being called a cow, still, she
> >> had a meltdown and she's a bitch?* What do you call men who have done
> >> the same?
>
> > Role model?* Millionaire?*** Seems to work that way.
>
> It certainly seems more acceptable, men are just being tough or
> aggressive ... things men are praised for.
>
> People are acting like Serena stole someone's kid. She had enough
> of the double standard and just lost it. No reason to be going on
> and on like she should be crucified.
>
> nancy
>
A smart line judge would be able to calm down the gorilla sisters (
quite possibly brothers ) by throwing bananas their way. The chimp
shrieking sounds will quickly turn into chewing sounds.

Be prepared for more Cat 5s as the apes regresses to their primeaval
state and begin toppling the umpire's chair in vengeance next time
they're expected to follow rules.

On 2018-09-13 2:26 PM, Nancy Young wrote:
> On 9/13/2018 12:49 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

>> Role model?Â* Millionaire?Â*Â*Â* Seems to work that way.
>
> It certainly seems more acceptable, men are just being tough or
> aggressive ... things men are praised for.
>
> People are acting like Serena stole someone's kid.Â* She had enough
> of the double standard and just lost it.Â* No reason to be going on
> and on like she should be crucified.

But there was no double standard. Some people have suggested that thee
is but the fact is that a lot more men than women have been sanctioned
for similar violations. She got caught violating the rules and she acted
like a spoiled child.

On Thu, 13 Sep 2018 15:02:41 -0400, Dave Smith
> wrote:

>On 2018-09-13 2:26 PM, Nancy Young wrote:
>> On 9/13/2018 12:49 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>
>>> Role model?* Millionaire?*** Seems to work that way.
>>
>> It certainly seems more acceptable, men are just being tough or
>> aggressive ... things men are praised for.
>>
>> People are acting like Serena stole someone's kid.* She had enough
>> of the double standard and just lost it.* No reason to be going on
>> and on like she should be crucified.
>
>But there was no double standard. Some people have suggested that thee
>is but the fact is that a lot more men than women have been sanctioned
>for similar violations. She got caught violating the rules and she acted
>like a spoiled child.

The audience also misbehaved like a bunch of sore losers. The Japanese
player even ended up apologising for winning.

On Thursday, September 13, 2018 at 8:26:25 AM UTC-10, Nancy Young wrote:
>
> It certainly seems more acceptable, men are just being tough or
> aggressive ... things men are praised for.
>
> People are acting like Serena stole someone's kid. She had enough
> of the double standard and just lost it. No reason to be going on
> and on like she should be crucified.
>
> nancy

These athletes are the best in the world. They didn't get there by being passive and laid back. Mostly, Serena took a hit because her coach wouldn't stop coaching her. He or she is a big dummy. I don't have any problem with a player breaking stuff out of frustration. It makes for a more memorable match. If one wants to make a more successful open, you need to break some rackets.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x_UdFZKtDJA

On 2018-09-13 2:29 PM, wrote:
> On Thu, 13 Sep 2018 12:31:22 -0400, Nancy Young >
> wrote:
>
>> On 9/13/2018 11:48 AM, Janet wrote:
>>> In article >, says...
>>>>
>>>> "Nancy Young" > wrote
>>
>>>>> Wow, I haven't been following along, but calling Serena a cow???
>>
>>>> Yep, I have never heard any woman being called a cow where it was a
>>>> compliment, it's disgusting IMO, inferring big, slow moving, stupid, and
>>>> clumsy, which Serena definitely is not.
>>>
>>> Graham, an ex-Brit iirc, is probably using it in the Brit slang
>>> sense, which roughly translates as calling a woman a bitch.
>>
>> It's better than how we take someone being called a cow, still, she
>> had a meltdown and she's a bitch? What do you call men who have done
>> the same?
>>
>> nancy
>
> A man have a melt down???? Dave Smith gonna hatchet you!!!
>

You really need to learn to read. If you could you would have seen what
I had written about the male tennis players who got similar and worse
penalties for similar stunts.

On Thu, 13 Sep 2018 15:26:48 -0400, Dave Smith
> wrote:

>On 2018-09-13 2:29 PM, wrote:
>> On Thu, 13 Sep 2018 12:31:22 -0400, Nancy Young >
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 9/13/2018 11:48 AM, Janet wrote:
>>>> In article >, says...
>>>>>
>>>>> "Nancy Young" > wrote
>>>
>>>>>> Wow, I haven't been following along, but calling Serena a cow???
>>>
>>>>> Yep, I have never heard any woman being called a cow where it was a
>>>>> compliment, it's disgusting IMO, inferring big, slow moving, stupid, and
>>>>> clumsy, which Serena definitely is not.
>>>>
>>>> Graham, an ex-Brit iirc, is probably using it in the Brit slang
>>>> sense, which roughly translates as calling a woman a bitch.
>>>
>>> It's better than how we take someone being called a cow, still, she
>>> had a meltdown and she's a bitch? What do you call men who have done
>>> the same?
>>>
>>> nancy
>>
>> A man have a melt down???? Dave Smith gonna hatchet you!!!
>>
>
>You really need to learn to read. If you could you would have seen what
>I had written about the male tennis players who got similar and worse
>penalties for similar stunts.

Lucretia sees everything as a battle between men and women. I think
she's been scarred by life and suffers from PTSD.

On 9/13/2018 3:02 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2018-09-13 2:26 PM, Nancy Young wrote:
>> On 9/13/2018 12:49 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>
>>> Role model?Â* Millionaire?Â*Â*Â* Seems to work that way.
>>
>> It certainly seems more acceptable, men are just being tough or
>> aggressive ... things men are praised for.
>>
>> People are acting like Serena stole someone's kid.Â* She had enough
>> of the double standard and just lost it.Â* No reason to be going on
>> and on like she should be crucified.
>
> But there was no double standard. Some people have suggested that thee
> is but the fact is that a lot more men than women have been sanctioned
> for similar violations. She got caught violating the rules and she acted
> like a spoiled child.

Male tennis players, not just one, have come forward to say they do
the same thing and nothing happens.

Regardless, the judge is a grown man, boo hoo, Serena yelled at him.

nancy

On Thu, 13 Sep 2018 15:51:18 -0400, Nancy Young >
wrote:

>On 9/13/2018 3:02 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
>> On 2018-09-13 2:26 PM, Nancy Young wrote:
>>> On 9/13/2018 12:49 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>>
>>>> Role model?* Millionaire?*** Seems to work that way.
>>>
>>> It certainly seems more acceptable, men are just being tough or
>>> aggressive ... things men are praised for.
>>>
>>> People are acting like Serena stole someone's kid.* She had enough
>>> of the double standard and just lost it.* No reason to be going on
>>> and on like she should be crucified.
>>
>> But there was no double standard. Some people have suggested that thee
>> is but the fact is that a lot more men than women have been sanctioned
>> for similar violations. She got caught violating the rules and she acted
>> like a spoiled child.
>
>Male tennis players, not just one, have come forward to say they do
>the same thing and nothing happens.
>
>Regardless, the judge is a grown man, boo hoo, Serena yelled at him.

And because of her bad behaviour she lost a game. Boo hoo.

On 2018-09-13 3:51 PM, Nancy Young wrote:
> On 9/13/2018 3:02 PM, Dave Smith wrote:

>> But there was no double standard. Some people have suggested that thee
>> is but the fact is that a lot more men than women have been sanctioned
>> for similar violations. She got caught violating the rules and she
>> acted like a spoiled child.
>
> Male tennis players, not just one, have come forward to say they do
> the same thing and nothing happens.
>
> Regardless, the judge is a grown man, boo hoo, Serena yelled at him.

I provided a list of male players who were suspended code violations,
and that is more severe than what she got. I also referred to an article
that showed that of 32 similar incidents, 23 penalties were assessed
against men and only 9 against women. It may be that some men got away
with things, but there are many where they were penalized.

On Thu, 13 Sep 2018 15:51:18 -0400, Nancy Young >
wrote:

>On 9/13/2018 3:02 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
>> On 2018-09-13 2:26 PM, Nancy Young wrote:
>>> On 9/13/2018 12:49 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>>
>>>> Role model?* Millionaire?*** Seems to work that way.
>>>
>>> It certainly seems more acceptable, men are just being tough or
>>> aggressive ... things men are praised for.
>>>
>>> People are acting like Serena stole someone's kid.* She had enough
>>> of the double standard and just lost it.* No reason to be going on
>>> and on like she should be crucified.
>>
>> But there was no double standard. Some people have suggested that thee
>> is but the fact is that a lot more men than women have been sanctioned
>> for similar violations. She got caught violating the rules and she acted
>> like a spoiled child.
>
>Male tennis players, not just one, have come forward to say they do
>the same thing and nothing happens.
>
>Regardless, the judge is a grown man, boo hoo, Serena yelled at him.
>
>nancy

Way to go girl

On Thu, 13 Sep 2018 17:44:59 -0300, wrote:

>On Thu, 13 Sep 2018 15:51:18 -0400, Nancy Young >
>wrote:
>
>>On 9/13/2018 3:02 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
>>> On 2018-09-13 2:26 PM, Nancy Young wrote:
>>>> On 9/13/2018 12:49 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>>>
>>>>> Role model?* Millionaire?*** Seems to work that way.
>>>>
>>>> It certainly seems more acceptable, men are just being tough or
>>>> aggressive ... things men are praised for.
>>>>
>>>> People are acting like Serena stole someone's kid.* She had enough
>>>> of the double standard and just lost it.* No reason to be going on
>>>> and on like she should be crucified.
>>>
>>> But there was no double standard. Some people have suggested that thee
>>> is but the fact is that a lot more men than women have been sanctioned
>>> for similar violations. She got caught violating the rules and she acted
>>> like a spoiled child.
>>
>>Male tennis players, not just one, have come forward to say they do
>>the same thing and nothing happens.
>>
>>Regardless, the judge is a grown man, boo hoo, Serena yelled at him.
>>
>>nancy
>
>Way to go girl

There's that PTSD again

On Thu, 13 Sep 2018 16:28:22 -0400, Dave Smith
> wrote:

>On 2018-09-13 3:51 PM, Nancy Young wrote:
>> On 9/13/2018 3:02 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
>
>>> But there was no double standard. Some people have suggested that thee
>>> is but the fact is that a lot more men than women have been sanctioned
>>> for similar violations. She got caught violating the rules and she
>>> acted like a spoiled child.
>>
>> Male tennis players, not just one, have come forward to say they do
>> the same thing and nothing happens.
>>
>> Regardless, the judge is a grown man, boo hoo, Serena yelled at him.
>
>I provided a list of male players who were suspended code violations,
>and that is more severe than what she got. I also referred to an article
>that showed that of 32 similar incidents, 23 penalties were assessed
>against men and only 9 against women. It may be that some men got away
>with things, but there are many where they were penalized.
>
>
so you've read some articles, Dave to support your position. If you
were a tennis fan and had watched the matches, both men and women, for
years your arguments would carry more weight..

On Thu, 13 Sep 2018 10:35:48 -0700, "Cheri" >
wrote:

>"Gary" > wrote in message ...
>> Cheri wrote:
>>>
>>> "Wayne Boatwright" > wrote in message
>>> 15.223...
>>> > On Wed 12 Sep 2018 08:41:06a, Ed Pawlowski told us...
>>>
>>> >> If approached by two friends with extra tickets and one invited me
>>> >> to championship football game the other to the Symphony orchestra,
>>> >> I'm going for the music.
>>> >>
>>> >
>>> > So would I, Ed. Going to the symphony or theatre is a far better way
>>> > for me to spend my time.
>>>
>>> Don't worry, the symphony goers will always have extra tickets. LOL
>>>
>>> Cheri
>>
>> LOL. Good one! I do enjoy a live symphony though. Never sounds
>> good on television but quite good in real life. Football is
>> better watched on TV where you get to see all the plays close up.
>
>
>Yes, we used to go to some Raiders games before they moved to LA, dh has
>gone a few times now that they're back in Oakland, but...I would never
>attend another football game in person, geez and he has decided not to
>anymore too, the fans are crazy. They've sucked for several years now, I
>also think your Patriots are heading into an "also ran" status.
>
>Cheri

Just last week I checked the prices for a ticket to get into the
various team venues. I was astonished to see that tickets went from a
low of $30 to over $200. That's without the hot dog and beer.
You get a better seat at home. For that kind of money you can get a
TV that covers your living room wall and allows you to count the
blades of grass or flakes of snow and have better food ;-)
Janet US

On 2018-09-13 9:48 AM, Janet wrote:
> In article >, says...
>>
>> "Nancy Young" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> On 9/13/2018 10:47 AM, Boron Elgar wrote:
>>>> On Wed, 12 Sep 2018 18:46:29 -0600, graham > wrote:
>>>
>>>>> Even a cow like Serena?
>>>>
>>>> She is 5'9" and weighs 155. That is a BMI of 22.9.
>>>
>>> Wow, I haven't been following along, but calling Serena a cow???
>>>
>>>> Are you joking and trying to be funny in a very unfunny way?
>>>
>>> There is nothing funny about calling anyone names like that.
>>>
>>>> Osaka is 5'11" and weighs 152. BMI of 21.2.
>>>>
>>>> BMI is not an fully accurate reflection or health or stature, of
>>>> course, but we are making direct comparisons here, not health
>>>> comments.
>>>
>>> nancy
>>
>>
>> Yep, I have never heard any woman being called a cow where it was a
>> compliment, it's disgusting IMO, inferring big, slow moving, stupid, and
>> clumsy, which Serena definitely is not.
>
> Graham, an ex-Brit iirc, is probably using it in the Brit slang
> sense, which roughly translates as calling a woman a bitch.
>
> Calling a woman a cow, isn't a reference to bovine similarities, nor
> is calling her a bitch a reference to doglike qualities. Calling her a
> bird, hen, duck,chick doesn't remotely imply she flies and has feathers.
>
> Janet UK
>
Thank you Janet! It was a measured response to her appalling behaviour.

On 2018-09-13 11:05 AM, Janet wrote:
> In article >,
> says...
>>
>> On 9/13/2018 11:48 AM, Janet wrote:
>>> In article >, says...
>>>>
>>>> "Nancy Young" > wrote
>>
>>>>> Wow, I haven't been following along, but calling Serena a cow???
>>
>>>> Yep, I have never heard any woman being called a cow where it was a
>>>> compliment, it's disgusting IMO, inferring big, slow moving, stupid, and
>>>> clumsy, which Serena definitely is not.
>>>
>>> Graham, an ex-Brit iirc, is probably using it in the Brit slang
>>> sense, which roughly translates as calling a woman a bitch.
>>
>> It's better than how we take someone being called a cow, still, she
>> had a meltdown and she's a bitch? What do you call men who have done
>> the same?
>
> son of a bitch, prick, dick, arsehole
>
> Janet.
>
To which I would add "prat".

On 2018-09-13 2:44 PM, wrote:
> On Thu, 13 Sep 2018 15:51:18 -0400, Nancy Young >
> wrote:
>
>> On 9/13/2018 3:02 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
>>> On 2018-09-13 2:26 PM, Nancy Young wrote:
>>>> On 9/13/2018 12:49 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>>>
>>>>> Role model?Â* Millionaire?Â*Â*Â* Seems to work that way.
>>>>
>>>> It certainly seems more acceptable, men are just being tough or
>>>> aggressive ... things men are praised for.
>>>>
>>>> People are acting like Serena stole someone's kid.Â* She had enough
>>>> of the double standard and just lost it.Â* No reason to be going on
>>>> and on like she should be crucified.
>>>
>>> But there was no double standard. Some people have suggested that thee
>>> is but the fact is that a lot more men than women have been sanctioned
>>> for similar violations. She got caught violating the rules and she acted
>>> like a spoiled child.
>>
>> Male tennis players, not just one, have come forward to say they do
>> the same thing and nothing happens.
>>
>> Regardless, the judge is a grown man, boo hoo, Serena yelled at him.
>>
>> nancy
>
> Way to go girl
>
So you approve of her disgraceful behaviour?

On Thu, 13 Sep 2018 15:26:49 -0600, U.S. Janet B. >
wrote:

>On Thu, 13 Sep 2018 16:28:22 -0400, Dave Smith
> wrote:
>
>>On 2018-09-13 3:51 PM, Nancy Young wrote:
>>> On 9/13/2018 3:02 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
>>
>>>> But there was no double standard. Some people have suggested that thee
>>>> is but the fact is that a lot more men than women have been sanctioned
>>>> for similar violations. She got caught violating the rules and she
>>>> acted like a spoiled child.
>>>
>>> Male tennis players, not just one, have come forward to say they do
>>> the same thing and nothing happens.
>>>
>>> Regardless, the judge is a grown man, boo hoo, Serena yelled at him.
>>
>>I provided a list of male players who were suspended code violations,
>>and that is more severe than what she got. I also referred to an article
>>that showed that of 32 similar incidents, 23 penalties were assessed
>>against men and only 9 against women. It may be that some men got away
>>with things, but there are many where they were penalized.
>>
>>
>so you've read some articles, Dave to support your position. If you
>were a tennis fan and had watched the matches, both men and women, for
>years your arguments would carry more weight..

Good point - I don't watch tennis but over the years noticed the
countless times McEnroe was shown misbehaving. As far as I know, this
was a first for Serena.

On Thu, 13 Sep 2018 15:38:27 -0600, graham > wrote:

>On 2018-09-13 11:05 AM, Janet wrote:
>> In article >,
>> says...
>>>
>>> On 9/13/2018 11:48 AM, Janet wrote:
>>>> In article >, says...
>>>>>
>>>>> "Nancy Young" > wrote
>>>
>>>>>> Wow, I haven't been following along, but calling Serena a cow???
>>>
>>>>> Yep, I have never heard any woman being called a cow where it was a
>>>>> compliment, it's disgusting IMO, inferring big, slow moving, stupid, and
>>>>> clumsy, which Serena definitely is not.
>>>>
>>>> Graham, an ex-Brit iirc, is probably using it in the Brit slang
>>>> sense, which roughly translates as calling a woman a bitch.
>>>
>>> It's better than how we take someone being called a cow, still, she
>>> had a meltdown and she's a bitch? What do you call men who have done
>>> the same?
>>
>> son of a bitch, prick, dick, arsehole
>>
>> Janet.
>>
>To which I would add "prat".

Oh you bratty brit

Wayne Boatwright wrote:

> On Tue 11 Sep 2018 08:09:50p, jmcquown told us...
>
> > On 9/11/2018 10:11 PM, Wayne Boatwright wrote:
> >> On Tue 11 Sep 2018 06:59:09p, jmcquown told us...
> >>
> >>> On 9/11/2018 7:57 PM, Wayne Boatwright wrote:
> >>>> On Tue 11 Sep 2018 04:07:52p, jmcquown told us...
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> >>>>> OB Food: Spaghetti with Italian sausage.
> > > > > >
> >>>>> Jill
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> >>>> And sauce?
> > > > >
> >>> Of course, tomato sauce. I didn't think I'd need to spell it
> >>> out.
> > > >
> >>> Jill
> > > >
> >>
> >> Could have been like sauage, onions, and peppers, in a oil based
> >> sauce, or some other kind of saucee. I never know what I'll find
> >> people doing on RFC. :-)
> >>
> > There were minced onions and garlic involved, browned Italian
> > sausage cut into chunks and cooked together in a skillet. I added
> > canned tomato sauce, marjoram and basil, S&P to taste. And a bit
> > of red pepper flakes.
> >
> > I don't eat spaghetti often enough to bother making sauce from
> > fresh tomatoes. I don't have a garden or need to "can" a 6 month
> > supply, either. It was tasty. As will be the leftovers.
> >
> > Jill
>
> I would like your sauce, but I have to leave out the sausage because
> David doesn't like it. I don't use fresh tomatoes either, and from
> what you wrote, ours are very similar. I use plain tomato sauce, the
> onion and garlic, Italian herb mix, and S&P. I normally add cooked
> ground beef to make it a meat sauce. If I want sausage for myself, I
> brown a piece or to and add it to the sauce and can remove for my
> plate. We have spaghetti once or twice a month, and I freeze
> portions for two. I usually end up with six containers or so. :-)

We made some for lunch too. Just seemed right.

28oz tomato sauce
28oz crushed tomatos
16oz rotel tomatoes
2lbs ground beef
1/2 cup or so chopped onion
3tb cuban spice mix
Extra garlic powder and minced

A nice deep flavor of meat sauce, served over the only pasta I had
(small shells).

Makes about 9 cups sauce and with 3 of us, that means 3 meals pretty
much (2 leftover after today night).

On Thu, 13 Sep 2018 15:38:59 -0600, graham > wrote:

>On 2018-09-13 2:44 PM, wrote:
>> On Thu, 13 Sep 2018 15:51:18 -0400, Nancy Young >
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 9/13/2018 3:02 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
>>>>
>>>> But there was no double standard. Some people have suggested that thee
>>>> is but the fact is that a lot more men than women have been sanctioned
>>>> for similar violations. She got caught violating the rules and she acted
>>>> like a spoiled child.
>>>
>>> Male tennis players, not just one, have come forward to say they do
>>> the same thing and nothing happens.
>>>
>>> Regardless, the judge is a grown man, boo hoo, Serena yelled at him.
>>>
>>> nancy
>>
>> Way to go girl
>>
>So you approve of her disgraceful behaviour?

Serena's a woman and the referee's a man. That's all Lucretia needs to
know.

On Thu, 13 Sep 2018 12:23:23 -0700 (PDT), dsi1 >
wrote:

>On Thursday, September 13, 2018 at 8:26:25 AM UTC-10, Nancy Young wrote:
>>
>> It certainly seems more acceptable, men are just being tough or
>> aggressive ... things men are praised for.
>>
>> People are acting like Serena stole someone's kid. She had enough
>> of the double standard and just lost it. No reason to be going on
>> and on like she should be crucified.
>>
>> nancy
>
>These athletes are the best in the world. They didn't get there by being passive and laid back. Mostly, Serena took a hit because her coach wouldn't stop coaching her.

Check your facts.

Ed Pawlowski wrote:

> On 9/11/2018 10:52 PM, Druce wrote:
> >On Tue, 11 Sep 2018 20:09:07 -0600, graham > wrote:
> >
> > > On 2018-09-11 8:05 PM, Druce wrote:
> > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > One serious e-mailed comment to a newspaper article said that
> > > > > a white cartoonist shouldn't have drawn that cartoon, which
> > > > > is carrying cultural appropriation to ridiculous levels!
> > > > > I thought the cartoon was OK, not that I care a ff about
> > > > > tennis, which is more boring than US football.
> > > >
> > > > If I absolutely had to choose, I'd rather watch tennis than any
> > > > footbal that's played mainly with the hands.
> > > >
> > > Actually, I detest both and would rather watch bread dough rise!
> >
> > Detest is a strong word for a sport you're not interested in.
> >
>
> I don't detest them, just a choice not to watch them. I will watch
> some Olympic events and I've been to some actual games over the
> years. Most on TV are just filler between commercials and the
> players are all about money. Oh, they do have much more ability than
> I have too.
>
> If approached by two friends with extra tickets and one invited me to
> championship football game the other to the Symphony orchestra, I'm
> going for the music.

Same here. PLaying sports is fun. Watching them can be pretty dull
outside the olympics and the winter sports like Ice Skating

writes:
>On Thu, 13 Sep 2018 16:48:42 +0100, Janet > wrote:
>
>>In article >, says...
>>>
>>> "Nancy Young" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>> > On 9/13/2018 10:47 AM, Boron Elgar wrote:
>>> >> On Wed, 12 Sep 2018 18:46:29 -0600, graham > wrote:
>>> >
>>> >>> Even a cow like Serena?
>>> >>
>>> >> She is 5'9" and weighs 155. That is a BMI of 22.9.
>>> >
>>> > Wow, I haven't been following along, but calling Serena a cow???
>>> >
>>> >> Are you joking and trying to be funny in a very unfunny way?
>>> >
>>> > There is nothing funny about calling anyone names like that.
>>> >
>>> >> Osaka is 5'11" and weighs 152. BMI of 21.2.
>>> >>
>>> >> BMI is not an fully accurate reflection or health or stature, of
>>> >> course, but we are making direct comparisons here, not health
>>> >> comments.
>>> >
>>> > nancy
>>>
>>>
>>> Yep, I have never heard any woman being called a cow where it was a
>>> compliment, it's disgusting IMO, inferring big, slow moving, stupid, and
>>> clumsy, which Serena definitely is not.
>>
>> Graham, an ex-Brit iirc, is probably using it in the Brit slang
>>sense, which roughly translates as calling a woman a bitch.
>>
>> Calling a woman a cow, isn't a reference to bovine similarities, nor
>>is calling her a bitch a reference to doglike qualities. Calling her a
>>bird, hen, duck,chick doesn't remotely imply she flies and has feathers.
>>
>> Janet UK
>
>I've referred to a few women as "Elsie", meant as a compliment.
>I think cows are very sexual.

!!!!

writes:
>On 2018-09-13 3:51 PM, Nancy Young wrote:
>> On 9/13/2018 3:02 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
>
>>> But there was no double standard. Some people have suggested that thee
>>> is but the fact is that a lot more men than women have been sanctioned
>>> for similar violations. She got caught violating the rules and she
>>> acted like a spoiled child.
>>
>> Male tennis players, not just one, have come forward to say they do
>> the same thing and nothing happens.
>>
>> Regardless, the judge is a grown man, boo hoo, Serena yelled at him.
>
>I provided a list of male players who were suspended code violations,
>and that is more severe than what she got. I also referred to an article
>that showed that of 32 similar incidents, 23 penalties were assessed
>against men and only 9 against women. It may be that some men got away
>with things, but there are many where they were penalized.

it is not a comprehensive list, each violation involves subjectivity,
and since Dave Smith wasn't personally involved or there and has no
appreciation for the nuances of the game, this inexpert "research"
slash opinion is not convincing

On Thu, 13 Sep 2018 15:38:59 -0600, graham > wrote:

>On 2018-09-13 2:44 PM, wrote:
>> On Thu, 13 Sep 2018 15:51:18 -0400, Nancy Young >
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 9/13/2018 3:02 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
>>>> On 2018-09-13 2:26 PM, Nancy Young wrote:
>>>>> On 9/13/2018 12:49 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>> Role model?* Millionaire?*** Seems to work that way.
>>>>>
>>>>> It certainly seems more acceptable, men are just being tough or
>>>>> aggressive ... things men are praised for.
>>>>>
>>>>> People are acting like Serena stole someone's kid.* She had enough
>>>>> of the double standard and just lost it.* No reason to be going on
>>>>> and on like she should be crucified.
>>>>
>>>> But there was no double standard. Some people have suggested that thee
>>>> is but the fact is that a lot more men than women have been sanctioned
>>>> for similar violations. She got caught violating the rules and she acted
>>>> like a spoiled child.
>>>
>>> Male tennis players, not just one, have come forward to say they do
>>> the same thing and nothing happens.
>>>
>>> Regardless, the judge is a grown man, boo hoo, Serena yelled at him.
>>>
>>> nancy
>>
>> Way to go girl
>>
>So you approve of her disgraceful behaviour?

You know I wouldn't, brought up under the 'It's not whether you win or
lose, but how you play the game' principles. I was very sad she
spoilt it for Osaka.

On Fri, 14 Sep 2018 08:05:32 +1000, Druce >
wrote:

>On Thu, 13 Sep 2018 15:38:59 -0600, graham > wrote:
>
>>On 2018-09-13 2:44 PM, wrote:
>>> On Thu, 13 Sep 2018 15:51:18 -0400, Nancy Young >
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 9/13/2018 3:02 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> But there was no double standard. Some people have suggested that thee
>>>>> is but the fact is that a lot more men than women have been sanctioned
>>>>> for similar violations. She got caught violating the rules and she acted
>>>>> like a spoiled child.
>>>>
>>>> Male tennis players, not just one, have come forward to say they do
>>>> the same thing and nothing happens.
>>>>
>>>> Regardless, the judge is a grown man, boo hoo, Serena yelled at him.
>>>>
>>>> nancy
>>>
>>> Way to go girl
>>>
>>So you approve of her disgraceful behaviour?
>
>Serena's a woman and the referee's a man. That's all Lucretia needs to
>know.

Pipe down kangaroo!

On Thu, 13 Sep 2018 20:01:28 -0300, wrote:

>On Fri, 14 Sep 2018 08:05:32 +1000, Druce >
>wrote:
>
>>On Thu, 13 Sep 2018 15:38:59 -0600, graham > wrote:
>>
>>>On 2018-09-13 2:44 PM, wrote:
>>>> On Thu, 13 Sep 2018 15:51:18 -0400, Nancy Young >
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 9/13/2018 3:02 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> But there was no double standard. Some people have suggested that thee
>>>>>> is but the fact is that a lot more men than women have been sanctioned
>>>>>> for similar violations. She got caught violating the rules and she acted
>>>>>> like a spoiled child.
>>>>>
>>>>> Male tennis players, not just one, have come forward to say they do
>>>>> the same thing and nothing happens.
>>>>>
>>>>> Regardless, the judge is a grown man, boo hoo, Serena yelled at him.
>>>>>
>>>>> nancy
>>>>
>>>> Way to go girl
>>>>
>>>So you approve of her disgraceful behaviour?
>>
>>Serena's a woman and the referee's a man. That's all Lucretia needs to
>>know.
>
>Pipe down kangaroo!

Druce wrote:
> On Thu, 13 Sep 2018 15:02:41 -0400, Dave Smith
> > wrote:
>
>> On 2018-09-13 2:26 PM, Nancy Young wrote:
>>> On 9/13/2018 12:49 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>>
>>>> Role model? Millionaire? Seems to work that way.
>>>
>>> It certainly seems more acceptable, men are just being tough or
>>> aggressive ... things men are praised for.
>>>
>>> People are acting like Serena stole someone's kid. She had enough
>>> of the double standard and just lost it. No reason to be going on
>>> and on like she should be crucified.
>>
>> But there was no double standard. Some people have suggested that thee
>> is but the fact is that a lot more men than women have been sanctioned
>> for similar violations. She got caught violating the rules and she acted
>> like a spoiled child.
>
> The audience also misbehaved like a bunch of sore losers. The Japanese
> player even ended up apologising for winning.
>

As they should have! How dare a Jap win against an African American?

Druce wrote:
> On Thu, 13 Sep 2018 15:26:48 -0400, Dave Smith
> > wrote:
>
>> On 2018-09-13 2:29 PM, wrote:
>>> On Thu, 13 Sep 2018 12:31:22 -0400, Nancy Young >
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 9/13/2018 11:48 AM, Janet wrote:
>>>>> In article >, says...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Nancy Young" > wrote
>>>>
>>>>>>> Wow, I haven't been following along, but calling Serena a cow???
>>>>
>>>>>> Yep, I have never heard any woman being called a cow where it was a
>>>>>> compliment, it's disgusting IMO, inferring big, slow moving, stupid, and
>>>>>> clumsy, which Serena definitely is not.
>>>>>
>>>>> Graham, an ex-Brit iirc, is probably using it in the Brit slang
>>>>> sense, which roughly translates as calling a woman a bitch.
>>>>
>>>> It's better than how we take someone being called a cow, still, she
>>>> had a meltdown and she's a bitch? What do you call men who have done
>>>> the same?
>>>>
>>>> nancy
>>>
>>> A man have a melt down???? Dave Smith gonna hatchet you!!!
>>>
>>
>> You really need to learn to read. If you could you would have seen what
>> I had written about the male tennis players who got similar and worse
>> penalties for similar stunts.
>
> Lucretia sees everything as a battle between men and women. I think
> she's been scarred by life and suffers from PTSD.
>

Well, we could get her a date with Popeye. She'd be fixed up then.

On Thu, 13 Sep 2018 18:31:50 -0500, Hank Rogers >
wrote:

>Druce wrote:
>> On Thu, 13 Sep 2018 15:02:41 -0400, Dave Smith
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> But there was no double standard. Some people have suggested that thee
>>> is but the fact is that a lot more men than women have been sanctioned
>>> for similar violations. She got caught violating the rules and she acted
>>> like a spoiled child.
>>
>> The audience also misbehaved like a bunch of sore losers. The Japanese
>> player even ended up apologising for winning.
>>
>
>As they should have! How dare a Jap win against an African American?

Next year, don't play any matches. Just give Serena the title.
Everybody happy.

On Thu, 13 Sep 2018 18:42:56 -0500, Hank Rogers >
wrote:

>Druce wrote:
>> On Thu, 13 Sep 2018 15:26:48 -0400, Dave Smith
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> On 2018-09-13 2:29 PM, wrote:
>>>> On Thu, 13 Sep 2018 12:31:22 -0400, Nancy Young >
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 9/13/2018 11:48 AM, Janet wrote:
>>>>>> In article >, says...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Nancy Young" > wrote
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Wow, I haven't been following along, but calling Serena a cow???
>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yep, I have never heard any woman being called a cow where it was a
>>>>>>> compliment, it's disgusting IMO, inferring big, slow moving, stupid, and
>>>>>>> clumsy, which Serena definitely is not.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Graham, an ex-Brit iirc, is probably using it in the Brit slang
>>>>>> sense, which roughly translates as calling a woman a bitch.
>>>>>
>>>>> It's better than how we take someone being called a cow, still, she
>>>>> had a meltdown and she's a bitch? What do you call men who have done
>>>>> the same?
>>>>>
>>>>> nancy
>>>>
>>>> A man have a melt down???? Dave Smith gonna hatchet you!!!
>>>>
>>>
>>> You really need to learn to read. If you could you would have seen what
>>> I had written about the male tennis players who got similar and worse
>>> penalties for similar stunts.
>>
>> Lucretia sees everything as a battle between men and women. I think
>> she's been scarred by life and suffers from PTSD.
>>
>
>Well, we could get her a date with Popeye. She'd be fixed up then.

But the date would confirm all her prejudices about men and then some.

On Thursday, September 13, 2018 at 12:15:53 PM UTC-10, Boron Elgar wrote:
>
> Check your facts.

You might believe that Serena smashing her racquet and then blowing up was totally unrelated to the warning her coach got for coaching during the match. That's what everyone believes. I don't. That's all I got to say about that.

On 2018-09-13 5:39 PM, wrote:
> On Thu, 13 Sep 2018 15:26:49 -0600, U.S. Janet B. >

>> so you've read some articles, Dave to support your position. If you
>> were a tennis fan and had watched the matches, both men and women, for
>> years your arguments would carry more weight..
>
> Good point - I don't watch tennis but over the years noticed the
> countless times McEnroe was shown misbehaving. As far as I know, this
> was a first for Serena.
>

No one said that she had misbehaved before. She certainly misbehaved
this time.

https://www.vox.com/2018/9/10/178375...e-carlos-ramos

On 2018-09-13 6:15 PM, Boron Elgar wrote:
> On Thu, 13 Sep 2018 12:23:23 -0700 (PDT), dsi1 >
> wrote:
>
>> On Thursday, September 13, 2018 at 8:26:25 AM UTC-10, Nancy Young wrote:
>>>
>>> It certainly seems more acceptable, men are just being tough or
>>> aggressive ... things men are praised for.
>>>
>>> People are acting like Serena stole someone's kid. She had enough
>>> of the double standard and just lost it. No reason to be going on
>>> and on like she should be crucified.
>>>
>>> nancy
>>
>> These athletes are the best in the world. They didn't get there by being passive and laid back. Mostly, Serena took a hit because her coach wouldn't stop coaching her.
>
> Check your facts.

What a neat trick to tell him to check his facts in a way that you are
not directly saying he is wrong, because it looks like he had the facts
right. He admitted that he was coaching her, but tried to defend it by
saying that everyone does it and that she might not have seen him.

http://www.sportingnews.com/ca/tenni...61dkz9jkmnpk4p

On 2018-09-13 6:37 PM, turd in seattle wrote:
> writes:
>> On 2018-09-13 3:51 PM, Nancy Young wrote:
>>> On 9/13/2018 3:02 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
>>
>>>> But there was no double standard. Some people have suggested that thee
>>>> is but the fact is that a lot more men than women have been sanctioned
>>>> for similar violations. She got caught violating the rules and she
>>>> acted like a spoiled child.
>>>
>>> Male tennis players, not just one, have come forward to say they do
>>> the same thing and nothing happens.
>>>
>>> Regardless, the judge is a grown man, boo hoo, Serena yelled at him.
>>
>> I provided a list of male players who were suspended code violations,
>> and that is more severe than what she got. I also referred to an article
>> that showed that of 32 similar incidents, 23 penalties were assessed
>> against men and only 9 against women. It may be that some men got away
>> with things, but there are many where they were penalized.
>
> it is not a comprehensive list, each violation involves subjectivity,
> and since Dave Smith wasn't personally involved or there and has no
> appreciation for the nuances of the game, this inexpert "research"
> slash opinion is not convincing

When someone claims that the men are never penalized like that and I
come up with a list of men who were penalized..... that is relevant.

>
>

On Thu, 13 Sep 2018 22:55:07 -0400, Dave Smith
> wrote:

>On 2018-09-13 6:37 PM, turd in seattle wrote:
>> writes:
>>>
>>> I provided a list of male players who were suspended code violations,
>>> and that is more severe than what she got. I also referred to an article
>>> that showed that of 32 similar incidents, 23 penalties were assessed
>>> against men and only 9 against women. It may be that some men got away
>>> with things, but there are many where they were penalized.
>>
>> it is not a comprehensive list, each violation involves subjectivity,
>> and since Dave Smith wasn't personally involved or there and has no
>> appreciation for the nuances of the game, this inexpert "research"
>> slash opinion is not convincing
>
>When someone claims that the men are never penalized like that and I
>come up with a list of men who were penalized..... that is relevant.

What you really want is referee decisions from, say, the past 5 years
and -even better- by the same referee, and for comparable offences.
And then compare. Who cares if John McEnroe was or was not penalized
in the 80s by another referee for something else.

In article >,
says...
>
> On Thu, 13 Sep 2018 15:26:49 -0600, U.S. Janet B. >
> wrote:
>
> >On Thu, 13 Sep 2018 16:28:22 -0400, Dave Smith
> > wrote:
> >
> >>On 2018-09-13 3:51 PM, Nancy Young wrote:
> >>> On 9/13/2018 3:02 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
> >>
> >>>> But there was no double standard. Some people have suggested that thee
> >>>> is but the fact is that a lot more men than women have been sanctioned
> >>>> for similar violations. She got caught violating the rules and she
> >>>> acted like a spoiled child.
> >>>
> >>> Male tennis players, not just one, have come forward to say they do
> >>> the same thing and nothing happens.
> >>>
> >>> Regardless, the judge is a grown man, boo hoo, Serena yelled at him.
> >>
> >>I provided a list of male players who were suspended code violations,
> >>and that is more severe than what she got. I also referred to an article
> >>that showed that of 32 similar incidents, 23 penalties were assessed
> >>against men and only 9 against women. It may be that some men got away
> >>with things, but there are many where they were penalized.
> >>
> >>
> >so you've read some articles, Dave to support your position. If you
> >were a tennis fan and had watched the matches, both men and women, for
> >years your arguments would carry more weight..
>
> Good point - I don't watch tennis but over the years noticed the
> countless times McEnroe was shown misbehaving. As far as I know, this
> was a first for Serena.

Not at all; it's the latest of many

https://www.washingtonpost.com/sport...ething-serena-
williams-past-us-open-episodes/2018/09/08/0c84e1be-b3d6-11e8-8b53-
50116768e499_story.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.e9 d1b4c8cf34

Janet UK