On Saturday, July 14, 2018 at 3:28:37 PM UTC-4, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2018-07-14 11:56 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> > On Saturday, July 14, 2018 at 11:16:53 AM UTC-4, Dave Smith wrote:
> >> On 2018-07-14 10:17 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> >>> On Saturday, July 14, 2018 at 10:10:28 AM UTC-4, Dave Smith wrote:
> >>>> On 2018-07-14 12:12 AM, graham wrote:
> >>>>> On 2018-07-13 8:16 PM, dsi1 wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>> Let me put it another way. One can respect a person's right to hold
> >>>>> religious beliefs. You don't have to respect (or admire) those beliefs.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Failure to abide by some of their beliefs can get people into trouble
> >>>> sometimes. Sometimes those beliefs run counter to my beliefs. I find it
> >>>> had to accept that I should be expected to respect the belief some hold
> >>>> that their women must be covered head to toe and that should be beaten
> >>>> for failure to do so, and that they can be killed to protect the
> >>>> family's honour. Sorry, but I cant respect their right to hold religious
> >>>> beliefs like that any more than I should be able to hold beliefs like
> >>>> that privately.
> >>>
> >>> Actually, those are cultural mores more than religious beliefs. The Koran
> >>> mandates modesty of dress and behavior for both men and women:
> >>
> >>
> >> True, but they use the religion to justify it.
> >
> > Religion has been used to justify a wide variety of bad behavior, right
> > back to Moloch. It's the very fact that Christianity has, in the main,
> > calmed down that we notice extremism in the practice of Islam. Perhaps
> > Islam will get a chance to have a Reformation.
> >
>
> The Reformation wasn't exactly the calming down of Christianity, which
> was basically Catholicism at the time. Many of the Protestants were as
> bad as or worse than the Catholic Church.

But it paved the way for a more tolerant society.

Cindy Hamilton

On Sat, 14 Jul 2018 12:40:00 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
> wrote:

>On Saturday, July 14, 2018 at 3:28:37 PM UTC-4, Dave Smith wrote:
>> On 2018-07-14 11:56 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>> > On Saturday, July 14, 2018 at 11:16:53 AM UTC-4, Dave Smith wrote:
>> >> On 2018-07-14 10:17 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>> >>> On Saturday, July 14, 2018 at 10:10:28 AM UTC-4, Dave Smith wrote:
>> >>>> On 2018-07-14 12:12 AM, graham wrote:
>> >>>>> On 2018-07-13 8:16 PM, dsi1 wrote:
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>> Let me put it another way. One can respect a person's right to hold
>> >>>>> religious beliefs. You don't have to respect (or admire) those beliefs.
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Failure to abide by some of their beliefs can get people into trouble
>> >>>> sometimes. Sometimes those beliefs run counter to my beliefs. I find it
>> >>>> had to accept that I should be expected to respect the belief some hold
>> >>>> that their women must be covered head to toe and that should be beaten
>> >>>> for failure to do so, and that they can be killed to protect the
>> >>>> family's honour. Sorry, but I cant respect their right to hold religious
>> >>>> beliefs like that any more than I should be able to hold beliefs like
>> >>>> that privately.
>> >>>
>> >>> Actually, those are cultural mores more than religious beliefs. The Koran
>> >>> mandates modesty of dress and behavior for both men and women:
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> True, but they use the religion to justify it.
>> >
>> > Religion has been used to justify a wide variety of bad behavior, right
>> > back to Moloch. It's the very fact that Christianity has, in the main,
>> > calmed down that we notice extremism in the practice of Islam. Perhaps
>> > Islam will get a chance to have a Reformation.
>> >
>>
>> The Reformation wasn't exactly the calming down of Christianity, which
>> was basically Catholicism at the time. Many of the Protestants were as
>> bad as or worse than the Catholic Church.
>
>But it paved the way for a more tolerant society.

As religion becamse less important, society became more tolerant. It's
not thanks to religion that society became more tolerant, but in spite
of religion.

On 2018-07-14 3:40 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> On Saturday, July 14, 2018 at 3:28:37 PM UTC-4, Dave Smith wrote:

>> The Reformation wasn't exactly the calming down of Christianity, which
>> was basically Catholicism at the time. Many of the Protestants were as
>> bad as or worse than the Catholic Church.
>
> But it paved the way for a more tolerant society.

It definitely told the Roman Catholic Church that it no longer had a
firm control over the people. A lot of Protestants are still stuck in
their fundamentalist views. The RC church has certainly lost its hold on
its own people.