On Wed, 06 Apr 2016 17:22:31 +1000, Bruce > wrote:

> On Wed, 06 Apr 2016 00:09:17 -0700, sf > wrote:
>
> >On Wed, 06 Apr 2016 07:52:42 +1000, Bruce > wrote:
> >
> >> On Tue, 05 Apr 2016 14:37:33 -0700, sf > wrote:
> >>
> >> >On Tue, 5 Apr 2016 03:41:06 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
> >> > wrote:
> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >> And I see below that he was thinking of chunks of pumpkin in a can,
> >> >> rather than a can of puree. I can see where he'd think that, since
> >> >> it took quite a while for any of us to say that canned pumpkin is
> >> >> pureed.
> >> >
> >> >We're all speaking English, but it might as well be another language.
> >>
> >> But if you look at the title of this thread, "Canned pumpkin
> >> shortage". Not "Canned pumpkin puree shortage".
> >
> >Why?
>
> I'm just explaining why a non-American misunderstands.
>
Which is why I said: We're all speaking English, but it might as well
be another language.

> >We know it's pureed. It doesn't even say puree on the label.
> >http://momspotted.com/wp-content/upl...bys-Pumkin.jpg
>
> Even in Spanish it doesn't say it.


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sf

"Bruce" > wrote in message
news
> On Wed, 06 Apr 2016 00:09:17 -0700, sf > wrote:
>
>>On Wed, 06 Apr 2016 07:52:42 +1000, Bruce > wrote:
>>
>>> On Tue, 05 Apr 2016 14:37:33 -0700, sf > wrote:
>>>
>>> >On Tue, 5 Apr 2016 03:41:06 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
>>> > wrote:
>>> >
>>> >>
>>> >> And I see below that he was thinking of chunks of pumpkin in a can,
>>> >> rather than a can of puree. I can see where he'd think that, since
>>> >> it took quite a while for any of us to say that canned pumpkin is
>>> >> pureed.
>>> >
>>> >We're all speaking English, but it might as well be another language.
>>>
>>> But if you look at the title of this thread, "Canned pumpkin
>>> shortage". Not "Canned pumpkin puree shortage".
>>
>>Why?
>
> I'm just explaining why a non-American misunderstands.
>
>>We know it's pureed. It doesn't even say puree on the label.
>>http://momspotted.com/wp-content/upl...bys-Pumkin.jpg
>
> Even in Spanish it doesn't say it.

Just a small comment here ... when I was talking to MrD I said
'grill/broiler' to make it more clear, because I knew the general word.
Using your own description without knowing the US equivalent is not a matter
for reprimand or humiliation.

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On Wed, 6 Apr 2016 09:26:52 +0100, "Ophelia" >
wrote:

>
>
>"Bruce" > wrote in message
>news
>> On Wed, 06 Apr 2016 00:09:17 -0700, sf > wrote:
>>
>>>On Wed, 06 Apr 2016 07:52:42 +1000, Bruce > wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Tue, 05 Apr 2016 14:37:33 -0700, sf > wrote:
>>>>
>>>> >On Tue, 5 Apr 2016 03:41:06 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
>>>> > wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> >>
>>>> >> And I see below that he was thinking of chunks of pumpkin in a can,
>>>> >> rather than a can of puree. I can see where he'd think that, since
>>>> >> it took quite a while for any of us to say that canned pumpkin is
>>>> >> pureed.
>>>> >
>>>> >We're all speaking English, but it might as well be another language.
>>>>
>>>> But if you look at the title of this thread, "Canned pumpkin
>>>> shortage". Not "Canned pumpkin puree shortage".
>>>
>>>Why?
>>
>> I'm just explaining why a non-American misunderstands.
>>
>>>We know it's pureed. It doesn't even say puree on the label.
>>>http://momspotted.com/wp-content/upl...bys-Pumkin.jpg
>>
>> Even in Spanish it doesn't say it.
>
>Just a small comment here ... when I was talking to MrD I said
>'grill/broiler' to make it more clear, because I knew the general word.
>Using your own description without knowing the US equivalent is not a matter
>for reprimand or humiliation.

I think it's mainly a cultural difference. I've never seen, eaten,
craved or heard of pumpkin puree before. It's interesting though. So
far, I've picked up from the Americans here that there's a whole world
of beans and squash out there that I only knew 10% of

--
Bruce

"Ophelia" > wrote in message
...
>
>
> "Bruce" > wrote in message
> news
>> On Wed, 06 Apr 2016 00:09:17 -0700, sf > wrote:
>>
>>>On Wed, 06 Apr 2016 07:52:42 +1000, Bruce > wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Tue, 05 Apr 2016 14:37:33 -0700, sf > wrote:
>>>>
>>>> >On Tue, 5 Apr 2016 03:41:06 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
>>>> > wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> >>
>>>> >> And I see below that he was thinking of chunks of pumpkin in a can,
>>>> >> rather than a can of puree. I can see where he'd think that, since
>>>> >> it took quite a while for any of us to say that canned pumpkin is
>>>> >> pureed.
>>>> >
>>>> >We're all speaking English, but it might as well be another language.
>>>>
>>>> But if you look at the title of this thread, "Canned pumpkin
>>>> shortage". Not "Canned pumpkin puree shortage".
>>>
>>>Why?
>>
>> I'm just explaining why a non-American misunderstands.
>>
>>>We know it's pureed. It doesn't even say puree on the label.
>>>http://momspotted.com/wp-content/upl...bys-Pumkin.jpg
>>
>> Even in Spanish it doesn't say it.
>
> Just a small comment here ... when I was talking to MrD I said
> 'grill/broiler' to make it more clear, because I knew the general word.
> Using your own description without knowing the US equivalent is not a
> matter for reprimand or humiliation.
>
> --
> http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk/shop/

I would have no clue what a grill/broiler was. To me, a grill is something
you put food on. You put food under a broiler.

As for the pumpkin, the only way I know of it ever being used is as a puree.
If someone has any recipes for it otherwise, feel free to post them.

On Wed, 6 Apr 2016 02:20:47 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:

>
>"Ophelia" > wrote in message
...
>>
>> Just a small comment here ... when I was talking to MrD I said
>> 'grill/broiler' to make it more clear, because I knew the general word.
>> Using your own description without knowing the US equivalent is not a
>> matter for reprimand or humiliation.
>>
>I would have no clue what a grill/broiler was. To me, a grill is something
>you put food on. You put food under a broiler.

I'd think a grill is something you put food under, not on. Broiler
sounds foreign and American to me. I'd have to guess a bit.

>As for the pumpkin, the only way I know of it ever being used is as a puree.
>If someone has any recipes for it otherwise, feel free to post them.

Can't you treat them like winter squash, which is what they are or are
extremely related to?

--
Bruce

"Bruce" > wrote in message
...
> On Wed, 6 Apr 2016 09:26:52 +0100, "Ophelia" >
> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>"Bruce" > wrote in message
>>news
>>> On Wed, 06 Apr 2016 00:09:17 -0700, sf > wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Wed, 06 Apr 2016 07:52:42 +1000, Bruce > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, 05 Apr 2016 14:37:33 -0700, sf > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> >On Tue, 5 Apr 2016 03:41:06 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>> >
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> And I see below that he was thinking of chunks of pumpkin in a can,
>>>>> >> rather than a can of puree. I can see where he'd think that, since
>>>>> >> it took quite a while for any of us to say that canned pumpkin is
>>>>> >> pureed.
>>>>> >
>>>>> >We're all speaking English, but it might as well be another language.
>>>>>
>>>>> But if you look at the title of this thread, "Canned pumpkin
>>>>> shortage". Not "Canned pumpkin puree shortage".
>>>>
>>>>Why?
>>>
>>> I'm just explaining why a non-American misunderstands.
>>>
>>>>We know it's pureed. It doesn't even say puree on the label.
>>>>http://momspotted.com/wp-content/upl...bys-Pumkin.jpg
>>>
>>> Even in Spanish it doesn't say it.
>>
>>Just a small comment here ... when I was talking to MrD I said
>>'grill/broiler' to make it more clear, because I knew the general word.
>>Using your own description without knowing the US equivalent is not a
>>matter
>>for reprimand or humiliation.
>
> I think it's mainly a cultural difference. I've never seen, eaten,
> craved or heard of pumpkin puree before. It's interesting though. So
> far, I've picked up from the Americans here that there's a whole world
> of beans and squash out there that I only knew 10% of

Quite. We are learning the US ways. We don't need to be put down because
we don't know. It might be nice if they learned our ways too since this is
not a purely US newsgroup. I have to say though most posters here are very
good about it and it sometimes gives us a giggle.



--
http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk/shop/

"Julie Bove" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Ophelia" > wrote in message
> ...
>>
>>
>> "Bruce" > wrote in message
>> news
>>> On Wed, 06 Apr 2016 00:09:17 -0700, sf > wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Wed, 06 Apr 2016 07:52:42 +1000, Bruce > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, 05 Apr 2016 14:37:33 -0700, sf > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> >On Tue, 5 Apr 2016 03:41:06 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>> >
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> And I see below that he was thinking of chunks of pumpkin in a can,
>>>>> >> rather than a can of puree. I can see where he'd think that, since
>>>>> >> it took quite a while for any of us to say that canned pumpkin is
>>>>> >> pureed.
>>>>> >
>>>>> >We're all speaking English, but it might as well be another language.
>>>>>
>>>>> But if you look at the title of this thread, "Canned pumpkin
>>>>> shortage". Not "Canned pumpkin puree shortage".
>>>>
>>>>Why?
>>>
>>> I'm just explaining why a non-American misunderstands.
>>>
>>>>We know it's pureed. It doesn't even say puree on the label.
>>>>http://momspotted.com/wp-content/upl...bys-Pumkin.jpg
>>>
>>> Even in Spanish it doesn't say it.
>>
>> Just a small comment here ... when I was talking to MrD I said
>> 'grill/broiler' to make it more clear, because I knew the general word.
>> Using your own description without knowing the US equivalent is not a
>> matter for reprimand or humiliation.
>>
>
> I would have no clue what a grill/broiler was. To me, a grill is
> something you put food on. You put food under a broiler.

Quite but it has been discussed before. Notice Cindy picked it up. And
anyway, I did say 'grill/broiler' to show both terms


>
> As for the pumpkin, the only way I know of it ever being used is as a
> puree. If someone has any recipes for it otherwise, feel free to post
> them.

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"Bruce" > wrote in message
...
> On Wed, 6 Apr 2016 02:20:47 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> > wrote:
>
>>
>>"Ophelia" > wrote in message
...
>>>
>>> Just a small comment here ... when I was talking to MrD I said
>>> 'grill/broiler' to make it more clear, because I knew the general word.
>>> Using your own description without knowing the US equivalent is not a
>>> matter for reprimand or humiliation.
>>>
>>I would have no clue what a grill/broiler was. To me, a grill is
>>something
>>you put food on. You put food under a broiler.
>
> I'd think a grill is something you put food under, not on. Broiler
> sounds foreign and American to me. I'd have to guess a bit.

Yes, we don't use 'broiler' at all. I added it to clarify what I was
talking about.


>>As for the pumpkin, the only way I know of it ever being used is as a
>>puree.
>>If someone has any recipes for it otherwise, feel free to post them.
>
> Can't you treat them like winter squash, which is what they are or are
> extremely related to?
>
> --
> Bruce

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On Wed, 6 Apr 2016 11:56:40 +0100, "Ophelia" >
wrote:

>
>
>"Bruce" > wrote in message
.. .
>> On Wed, 6 Apr 2016 09:26:52 +0100, "Ophelia" >
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>"Bruce" > wrote in message
>>>news >>>> On Wed, 06 Apr 2016 00:09:17 -0700, sf > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On Wed, 06 Apr 2016 07:52:42 +1000, Bruce > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tue, 05 Apr 2016 14:37:33 -0700, sf > wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> >On Tue, 5 Apr 2016 03:41:06 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
>>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> And I see below that he was thinking of chunks of pumpkin in a can,
>>>>>> >> rather than a can of puree. I can see where he'd think that, since
>>>>>> >> it took quite a while for any of us to say that canned pumpkin is
>>>>>> >> pureed.
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >We're all speaking English, but it might as well be another language.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> But if you look at the title of this thread, "Canned pumpkin
>>>>>> shortage". Not "Canned pumpkin puree shortage".
>>>>>
>>>>>Why?
>>>>
>>>> I'm just explaining why a non-American misunderstands.
>>>>
>>>>>We know it's pureed. It doesn't even say puree on the label.
>>>>>http://momspotted.com/wp-content/upl...bys-Pumkin.jpg
>>>>
>>>> Even in Spanish it doesn't say it.
>>>
>>>Just a small comment here ... when I was talking to MrD I said
>>>'grill/broiler' to make it more clear, because I knew the general word.
>>>Using your own description without knowing the US equivalent is not a
>>>matter
>>>for reprimand or humiliation.
>>
>> I think it's mainly a cultural difference. I've never seen, eaten,
>> craved or heard of pumpkin puree before. It's interesting though. So
>> far, I've picked up from the Americans here that there's a whole world
>> of beans and squash out there that I only knew 10% of
>
>Quite. We are learning the US ways. We don't need to be put down because
>we don't know.

>It might be nice if they learned our ways too since this is
>not a purely US newsgroup. I have to say though most posters here are very
>good about it and it sometimes gives us a giggle.

Some of them don't even know how much they don't know about what's
going on outside of their country. The bigger a country, the more
people tend to be inward looking. Of course, I'm from a very small
country

--
Bruce

"Bruce" > wrote in message
...
> On Wed, 6 Apr 2016 02:20:47 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> > wrote:
>
>>
>>"Ophelia" > wrote in message
...
>>>
>>> Just a small comment here ... when I was talking to MrD I said
>>> 'grill/broiler' to make it more clear, because I knew the general word.
>>> Using your own description without knowing the US equivalent is not a
>>> matter for reprimand or humiliation.
>>>
>>I would have no clue what a grill/broiler was. To me, a grill is
>>something
>>you put food on. You put food under a broiler.
>
> I'd think a grill is something you put food under, not on. Broiler
> sounds foreign and American to me. I'd have to guess a bit.

Not here. A grill is often a BBQ. It could also be a pan or cooking
device. In a restaunt, it would be this:

http://www.webstaurantstore.com/euro...tent=Equipment

As you can see, also called a griddle. In some areas, pancakes, which could
be made on such a cooking surface are called griddle cakes. Then there is
the grilled cheese sandwich which would also be made on this.

My grill pan is similar to this:

http://www.wayfair.com/Cuisinart-9.2...=1104000080671

Seems to work best for meats. Have not tried it for sandwiches but I did
try it for quesadillas and it didn't cook evenly for that.

This explains a broiler:

http://www.wikihow.com/Use-a-Broiler
>
>>As for the pumpkin, the only way I know of it ever being used is as a
>>puree.
>>If someone has any recipes for it otherwise, feel free to post them.
>
> Can't you treat them like winter squash, which is what they are or are
> extremely related to?

Not that I know of. Once cooked, they are pretty mushy. Sometimes used in
soups or stews. But the most common use would be for things like pies,
cakes, muffins, breads, etc. I just looked up recipes. Saw one for fudge.
Did not see any that didn't use puree. But I know that since I've said this
twice, someone will come along and prove me wrong.

On Wed, 6 Apr 2016 11:59:32 +0100, "Ophelia" >
wrote:

>"Bruce" > wrote in message
.. .
>> On Wed, 6 Apr 2016 02:20:47 -0700, "Julie Bove"
>> > wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>"Ophelia" > wrote in message
...
>>>>
>>>> Just a small comment here ... when I was talking to MrD I said
>>>> 'grill/broiler' to make it more clear, because I knew the general word.
>>>> Using your own description without knowing the US equivalent is not a
>>>> matter for reprimand or humiliation.
>>>>
>>>I would have no clue what a grill/broiler was. To me, a grill is
>>>something
>>>you put food on. You put food under a broiler.
>>
>> I'd think a grill is something you put food under, not on. Broiler
>> sounds foreign and American to me. I'd have to guess a bit.
>
>Yes, we don't use 'broiler' at all. I added it to clarify what I was
>talking about.

And a grill? Do you put food on or under a grill?

--
Bruce

"Bruce" > wrote in message
...
> On Wed, 6 Apr 2016 11:56:40 +0100, "Ophelia" >
> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>"Bruce" > wrote in message
. ..
>>> On Wed, 6 Apr 2016 09:26:52 +0100, "Ophelia" >
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>"Bruce" > wrote in message
>>>>news >>>>> On Wed, 06 Apr 2016 00:09:17 -0700, sf > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>On Wed, 06 Apr 2016 07:52:42 +1000, Bruce > wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Tue, 05 Apr 2016 14:37:33 -0700, sf > wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> >On Tue, 5 Apr 2016 03:41:06 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
>>>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> >> And I see below that he was thinking of chunks of pumpkin in a
>>>>>>> >> can,
>>>>>>> >> rather than a can of puree. I can see where he'd think that,
>>>>>>> >> since
>>>>>>> >> it took quite a while for any of us to say that canned pumpkin is
>>>>>>> >> pureed.
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >We're all speaking English, but it might as well be another
>>>>>>> >language.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> But if you look at the title of this thread, "Canned pumpkin
>>>>>>> shortage". Not "Canned pumpkin puree shortage".
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Why?
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm just explaining why a non-American misunderstands.
>>>>>
>>>>>>We know it's pureed. It doesn't even say puree on the label.
>>>>>>http://momspotted.com/wp-content/upl...bys-Pumkin.jpg
>>>>>
>>>>> Even in Spanish it doesn't say it.
>>>>
>>>>Just a small comment here ... when I was talking to MrD I said
>>>>'grill/broiler' to make it more clear, because I knew the general word.
>>>>Using your own description without knowing the US equivalent is not a
>>>>matter
>>>>for reprimand or humiliation.
>>>
>>> I think it's mainly a cultural difference. I've never seen, eaten,
>>> craved or heard of pumpkin puree before. It's interesting though. So
>>> far, I've picked up from the Americans here that there's a whole world
>>> of beans and squash out there that I only knew 10% of
>>
>>Quite. We are learning the US ways. We don't need to be put down because
>>we don't know.
>
>>It might be nice if they learned our ways too since this is
>>not a purely US newsgroup. I have to say though most posters here are
>>very
>>good about it and it sometimes gives us a giggle.
>
> Some of them don't even know how much they don't know about what's
> going on outside of their country. The bigger a country, the more
> people tend to be inward looking. Of course, I'm from a very small
> country

I noticed) I have to say though, although UK is very small, it seems to
be very much ahead with kitchen technology. That is always a big surprise.


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"Bruce" > wrote in message
...
> On Wed, 6 Apr 2016 11:59:32 +0100, "Ophelia" >
> wrote:
>
>>"Bruce" > wrote in message
. ..
>>> On Wed, 6 Apr 2016 02:20:47 -0700, "Julie Bove"
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>"Ophelia" > wrote in message
...
>>>>>
>>>>> Just a small comment here ... when I was talking to MrD I said
>>>>> 'grill/broiler' to make it more clear, because I knew the general
>>>>> word.
>>>>> Using your own description without knowing the US equivalent is not a
>>>>> matter for reprimand or humiliation.
>>>>>
>>>>I would have no clue what a grill/broiler was. To me, a grill is
>>>>something
>>>>you put food on. You put food under a broiler.
>>>
>>> I'd think a grill is something you put food under, not on. Broiler
>>> sounds foreign and American to me. I'd have to guess a bit.
>>
>>Yes, we don't use 'broiler' at all. I added it to clarify what I was
>>talking about.
>
> And a grill? Do you put food on or under a grill?

Under and that ridged pan that goes on the hob, we call a griddle.



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On Wed, 6 Apr 2016 04:12:26 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:

>
>"Bruce" > wrote in message
.. .
>> On Wed, 6 Apr 2016 02:20:47 -0700, "Julie Bove"
>> > wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>"Ophelia" > wrote in message
...
>>>>
>>>> Just a small comment here ... when I was talking to MrD I said
>>>> 'grill/broiler' to make it more clear, because I knew the general word.
>>>> Using your own description without knowing the US equivalent is not a
>>>> matter for reprimand or humiliation.
>>>>
>>>I would have no clue what a grill/broiler was. To me, a grill is
>>>something
>>>you put food on. You put food under a broiler.
>>
>> I'd think a grill is something you put food under, not on. Broiler
>> sounds foreign and American to me. I'd have to guess a bit.
>
>Not here. A grill is often a BBQ. It could also be a pan or cooking
>device. In a restaunt, it would be this:
>
>http://www.webstaurantstore.com/euro...tent=Equipment
>
>As you can see, also called a griddle. In some areas, pancakes, which could
>be made on such a cooking surface are called griddle cakes. Then there is
>the grilled cheese sandwich which would also be made on this.
>
>My grill pan is similar to this:
>
>http://www.wayfair.com/Cuisinart-9.2...=1104000080671
>
>Seems to work best for meats. Have not tried it for sandwiches but I did
>try it for quesadillas and it didn't cook evenly for that.
>
>This explains a broiler:
>
>http://www.wikihow.com/Use-a-Broiler
>>
>>>As for the pumpkin, the only way I know of it ever being used is as a
>>>puree.
>>>If someone has any recipes for it otherwise, feel free to post them.
>>
>> Can't you treat them like winter squash, which is what they are or are
>> extremely related to?
>
>Not that I know of. Once cooked, they are pretty mushy. Sometimes used in
>soups or stews. But the most common use would be for things like pies,
>cakes, muffins, breads, etc. I just looked up recipes. Saw one for fudge.
>Did not see any that didn't use puree. But I know that since I've said this
>twice, someone will come along and prove me wrong.

It's confusing. I understand summer (thin skin) vs. winter (thick
skin) squash. But pumpkin is something else again and is either pureed
to eat or carved up for Halloween purposes, but never baked in chunks
for instance.

--
Bruce

On Wed, 6 Apr 2016 12:23:11 +0100, "Ophelia" >
wrote:

>
>
>"Bruce" > wrote in message
.. .
>> On Wed, 6 Apr 2016 11:56:40 +0100, "Ophelia" >
>> wrote:
>>
>>>Quite. We are learning the US ways. We don't need to be put down because
>>>we don't know.
>>
>>>It might be nice if they learned our ways too since this is
>>>not a purely US newsgroup. I have to say though most posters here are
>>>very
>>>good about it and it sometimes gives us a giggle.
>>
>> Some of them don't even know how much they don't know about what's
>> going on outside of their country. The bigger a country, the more
>> people tend to be inward looking. Of course, I'm from a very small
>> country
>
>I noticed) I have to say though, although UK is very small, it seems to
>be very much ahead with kitchen technology. That is always a big surprise.

With appliances?

--
Bruce

On Wed, 6 Apr 2016 12:26:43 +0100, "Ophelia" >
wrote:

>
>
>"Bruce" > wrote in message
.. .
>> On Wed, 6 Apr 2016 11:59:32 +0100, "Ophelia" >
>> wrote:
>>
>>>"Bruce" > wrote in message
...
>>>> On Wed, 6 Apr 2016 02:20:47 -0700, "Julie Bove"
>>>> > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>"Ophelia" > wrote in message
...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Just a small comment here ... when I was talking to MrD I said
>>>>>> 'grill/broiler' to make it more clear, because I knew the general
>>>>>> word.
>>>>>> Using your own description without knowing the US equivalent is not a
>>>>>> matter for reprimand or humiliation.
>>>>>>
>>>>>I would have no clue what a grill/broiler was. To me, a grill is
>>>>>something
>>>>>you put food on. You put food under a broiler.
>>>>
>>>> I'd think a grill is something you put food under, not on. Broiler
>>>> sounds foreign and American to me. I'd have to guess a bit.
>>>
>>>Yes, we don't use 'broiler' at all. I added it to clarify what I was
>>>talking about.
>>
>> And a grill? Do you put food on or under a grill?
>
>Under and that ridged pan that goes on the hob, we call a griddle.

Yes, under!

--
Bruce

"Bruce" > wrote in message
...
> On Wed, 6 Apr 2016 12:23:11 +0100, "Ophelia" >
> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>"Bruce" > wrote in message
. ..
>>> On Wed, 6 Apr 2016 11:56:40 +0100, "Ophelia" >
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>Quite. We are learning the US ways. We don't need to be put down
>>>>because
>>>>we don't know.
>>>
>>>>It might be nice if they learned our ways too since this is
>>>>not a purely US newsgroup. I have to say though most posters here are
>>>>very
>>>>good about it and it sometimes gives us a giggle.
>>>
>>> Some of them don't even know how much they don't know about what's
>>> going on outside of their country. The bigger a country, the more
>>> people tend to be inward looking. Of course, I'm from a very small
>>> country
>>
>>I noticed) I have to say though, although UK is very small, it seems to
>>be very much ahead with kitchen technology. That is always a big
>>surprise.
>
> With appliances?

The Combination Microwave and under counter freezer discussed today.

--
http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk/shop/

Cheri wrote:
>
> "Gary" > wrote in message ...
>
> > Many years ago, I switched to sweet potato pies. Tastes the same as
> > pumpkin without all the hassle. I can make them from scratch (using
> > pumpkin from scratch is a real PITA). I usually make a couple for
> > Thanksgiving or Christmas.
>
> It doesn't taste at all the same to me, different texture, but some people
> do like them more than pumpkin. I don't really know what you mean by hassle
> with pumpkin pie unless you are using fresh pumpkin?

Yes. The "hassle" was referring to fresh pumpkin. What a PITA to
process it to the pureed finish. With sweet potatoes, just microwave
or boil to done, then remove the "jacket" and mash or puree.

I don't understand your comment that the texture is different when
both are pureed.

As far as taste, one factor that might make the difference is that I
double the spices for either pies. I like my pumpkin/sp pies to have a
nice "bite" to them.

On Tuesday, April 5, 2016 at 5:52:48 PM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:
> On Tue, 05 Apr 2016 14:37:33 -0700, sf > wrote:
>
> >On Tue, 5 Apr 2016 03:41:06 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
> > wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> And I see below that he was thinking of chunks of pumpkin in a can,
> >> rather than a can of puree. I can see where he'd think that, since
> >> it took quite a while for any of us to say that canned pumpkin is
> >> pureed.
> >
> >We're all speaking English, but it might as well be another language.
>
> But if you look at the title of this thread, "Canned pumpkin
> shortage". Not "Canned pumpkin puree shortage".

Ah, well, it's all about context. We Norte Americanos grew
up eating pumpkin pie and seeing canned pureed pumpkin in
the stores. It likewise never occurs to us to say we
were talking about wet water.

As for the grill/broiler thing. Why do you call it a grill?
There's no grillwork (metal bars or wires arranged to form a
grille).

Oddly enough, the etymology of broiler seems to be:
late 14c., "grill or gridiron used in broiling," agent noun from broil (v.1).

So I guess either broiler or grill really implies grillwork.

Cindy Hamilton

"Gary" > wrote in message ...
> Cheri wrote:
>>
>> "Gary" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>
>> > Many years ago, I switched to sweet potato pies. Tastes the same as
>> > pumpkin without all the hassle. I can make them from scratch (using
>> > pumpkin from scratch is a real PITA). I usually make a couple for
>> > Thanksgiving or Christmas.
>>
>> It doesn't taste at all the same to me, different texture, but some
>> people
>> do like them more than pumpkin. I don't really know what you mean by
>> hassle
>> with pumpkin pie unless you are using fresh pumpkin?
>
> Yes. The "hassle" was referring to fresh pumpkin. What a PITA to
> process it to the pureed finish. With sweet potatoes, just microwave
> or boil to done, then remove the "jacket" and mash or puree.
>
> I don't understand your comment that the texture is different when
> both are pureed.
>
> As far as taste, one factor that might make the difference is that I
> double the spices for either pies. I like my pumpkin/sp pies to have a
> nice "bite" to them.

It's heavier and denser IMO. Also, everytime we substituted it for pumpkin
in the cafeteria, the kids knew as well and didn't care for it as much as
the pumpkin bars, so it's not just me. I'm glad you like it and enjoy it
though.

Cheri

Janet B wrote:
>
> On Mon, 4 Apr 2016 07:32:41 -0700, "Cheri" >
> wrote:
>
> >
> >"Gary" > wrote in message ...
> >
> >> Many years ago, I switched to sweet potato pies. Tastes the same as
> >> pumpkin without all the hassle. I can make them from scratch (using
> >> pumpkin from scratch is a real PITA). I usually make a couple for
> >> Thanksgiving or Christmas.
> >
> >It doesn't taste at all the same to me, different texture, but some people
> >do like them more than pumpkin. I don't really know what you mean by hassle
> >with pumpkin pie unless you are using fresh pumpkin?
> >
> >Cheri
>
> I'm sure that's what he meant. Unless you get a really good pie
> pumpkin, there is such a lot of draining to do.
> Janet US

1st year - bought fresh pumpkin, cut it open and removed all the seed
crap then cut it all up into peeled chunks. I boiled those until done.

2nd year - heard that roasting was easier so I cut it open and removed
all the seed crap then cut it into 4 large pieces and roasted until
done. Still a PITA to remove from the peels.

And then with both years, blender would not puree them until I added
in a good amount of water just so the blender blades would grab and
puree them. More water than I wanted.

Both years pies were good but lots of trouble.

3rd year - I used canned pureed pumpkin and those pies tasted just as
good without all the hassle of processing fresh pumpkin.

4th year (and since then) - I heard of sweet potato pies. I tried them
and so easy to make from fresh sweet potatoes. So easy to process from
fresh and they taste as good (and so similar) as pumpkin pies.
Again...it might be because I use more spice than any recipe calls
for.

oh well.

What I need to do (and I will do) is next time I make a couple of
pies, I'll use canned pumpkin for one and fresh sweet potato for the
other. Only a side-by-side taste comparison will tell the truth.

Bruce wrote:
>
> And a grill? Do you put food on or under a grill?

Please don't ever invite me over for a grilled dinner.

In article >,
says...

> As for the grill/broiler thing. Why do you call it a grill?
> There's no grillwork (metal bars or wires arranged to form a
> grille).

Yes there is.

This is a typical UK grill pan used for grilling food under the
grill in a typical UK kitchen stove.

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Complete-Coo...point-Belling-
Electrolux/dp/B007IIWA0U/ref=sr_1_1?s=kitchen&ie=UTF8&qid=1459960011&sr=
1-1&keywords=flat+grill+pan


http://tinyurl.com/hhz2t73

Janet UK

In article >,
lid says...
>
> On Wed, 6 Apr 2016 09:26:52 +0100, "Ophelia" >
> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> >"Bruce" > wrote in message
> >news
> >> On Wed, 06 Apr 2016 00:09:17 -0700, sf > wrote:
> >>
> >>>On Wed, 06 Apr 2016 07:52:42 +1000, Bruce > wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> On Tue, 05 Apr 2016 14:37:33 -0700, sf > wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> >On Tue, 5 Apr 2016 03:41:06 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
> >>>> > wrote:
> >>>> >
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >> And I see below that he was thinking of chunks of pumpkin in a can,
> >>>> >> rather than a can of puree. I can see where he'd think that, since
> >>>> >> it took quite a while for any of us to say that canned pumpkin is
> >>>> >> pureed.
> >>>> >
> >>>> >We're all speaking English, but it might as well be another language.
> >>>>
> >>>> But if you look at the title of this thread, "Canned pumpkin
> >>>> shortage". Not "Canned pumpkin puree shortage".
> >>>
> >>>Why?
> >>
> >> I'm just explaining why a non-American misunderstands.
> >>
> >>>We know it's pureed. It doesn't even say puree on the label.
> >>>http://momspotted.com/wp-content/upl...bys-Pumkin.jpg
> >>
> >> Even in Spanish it doesn't say it.
> >
> >Just a small comment here ... when I was talking to MrD I said
> >'grill/broiler' to make it more clear, because I knew the general word.
> >Using your own description without knowing the US equivalent is not a matter
> >for reprimand or humiliation.
>
> I think it's mainly a cultural difference. I've never seen, eaten,
> craved or heard of pumpkin puree before.

Pumpkin puree has been discussed here umpteen times (both in cans and
home made); as an ingredient of pumpkin pie the topic turns up every
year round about Thanksgiving.

As you'd know if you ever discussed food and cooking instead of
trolling.

Janet UK

On 4/4/2016 12:04 PM, wrote:
> On Monday, April 4, 2016 at 9:13:29 AM UTC-5, wrote:
>>
>> Two years ago I couldn't find canned pumpkin anywhere and went to at least a half dozen different stores. At each place I was told there was a pumpkin shortage and there wouldn't be more till Fall. It's still in my stores at the moment.
>>
>>
>> Denise in NH
>>
>>
> I read about that, here?, and was all but stumbling over
> cases of pumpkin at the local stores here. Strange!
>
I read about the canned pumpkin shortage here on RFC too. I certainly
didn't see a shortage here in SC. I suppose a shortage does depend on
where the canned pumpkin is grown, harvested and canned.

Jill

In article >, says...
>
> Bruce wrote:
> >
> > And a grill? Do you put food on or under a grill?
>
> Please don't ever invite me over for a grilled dinner.

You don't know what you're missing.

Steak, pork and lamb, sausages, chicken, bacon, and some fish, some
vegetables are all great cooked under a grill. It's essentially the same
cooking method as a barbecue; the food is held on a rack close to the
heat source.

Janet UK

On Wednesday, April 6, 2016 at 12:30:44 PM UTC-4, Janet wrote:
> In article >,
> says...
>
> > As for the grill/broiler thing. Why do you call it a grill?
> > There's no grillwork (metal bars or wires arranged to form a
> > grille).
>
> Yes there is.
>
> This is a typical UK grill pan used for grilling food under the
> grill in a typical UK kitchen stove.
>
> http://www.amazon.co.uk/Complete-Coo...point-Belling-
> Electrolux/dp/B007IIWA0U/ref=sr_1_1?s=kitchen&ie=UTF8&qid=1459960011&sr=
> 1-1&keywords=flat+grill+pan

Ah. Ours look more like this:

<http://www.lowes.com/pd_330843-2251-L304458799_0__?productId=3371920>

I like yours better.

Cindy Hamilton

In article >, says...
>
> Janet B wrote:
> >
> > On Mon, 4 Apr 2016 07:32:41 -0700, "Cheri" >
> > wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >"Gary" > wrote in message ...
> > >
> > >> Many years ago, I switched to sweet potato pies. Tastes the same as
> > >> pumpkin without all the hassle. I can make them from scratch (using
> > >> pumpkin from scratch is a real PITA). I usually make a couple for
> > >> Thanksgiving or Christmas.
> > >
> > >It doesn't taste at all the same to me, different texture, but some people
> > >do like them more than pumpkin. I don't really know what you mean by hassle
> > >with pumpkin pie unless you are using fresh pumpkin?
> > >
> > >Cheri
> >
> > I'm sure that's what he meant. Unless you get a really good pie
> > pumpkin, there is such a lot of draining to do.
> > Janet US
>
> 1st year - bought fresh pumpkin, cut it open and removed all the seed
> crap then cut it all up into peeled chunks. I boiled those until done.
>
> 2nd year - heard that roasting was easier so I cut it open and removed
> all the seed crap then cut it into 4 large pieces and roasted until
> done. Still a PITA to remove from the peels.

You might have undercooked it. After roasting, just a blunt knife
easily slides between the skin and the flesh to separate them.
>
> And then with both years, blender would not puree them until I added
> in a good amount of water just so the blender blades would grab and
> puree them. More water than I wanted.

Now I really think you undercooked it. I do dump mine in the FP to
puree it, but if i didn't have an FP I could easily puree it with a
fork.

I find the flavour and texture in home made pp, much better than the
canned version.

Janet UK

On 4/6/2016 12:35 PM, Janet wrote:
> In article >,
> lid says...
>>
>> On Wed, 6 Apr 2016 09:26:52 +0100, "Ophelia" >
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>> I think it's mainly a cultural difference. I've never seen, eaten,
>> craved or heard of pumpkin puree before.
>
> Pumpkin puree has been discussed here umpteen times (both in cans and
> home made); as an ingredient of pumpkin pie the topic turns up every
> year round about Thanksgiving.
>
> As you'd know if you ever discussed food and cooking instead of
> trolling.
>
> Janet UK
>
This is just too silly! Pumpkin, canned or otherwise, has indeed been
discussed many times over the years. I don't make pumpkin pie but I
have made pumpkin soup. And yes, I've used canned plain pumpkin for
that when sugar/cooking pumpkins are not in season.

I do have to wonder now: what did Ophelia do with that beef brisket she
bought and "corned" right around US Saint Patrick's Day?

Jill

On Wed, 6 Apr 2016 12:53:11 -0400, jmcquown >
wrote:

> On 4/4/2016 12:04 PM, wrote:
> > On Monday, April 4, 2016 at 9:13:29 AM UTC-5, wrote:
> >>
> >> Two years ago I couldn't find canned pumpkin anywhere and went to at least a half dozen different stores. At each place I was told there was a pumpkin shortage and there wouldn't be more till Fall. It's still in my stores at the moment.
> >>
> >>
> >> Denise in NH
> >>
> >>
> > I read about that, here?, and was all but stumbling over
> > cases of pumpkin at the local stores here. Strange!
> >
> I read about the canned pumpkin shortage here on RFC too. I certainly
> didn't see a shortage here in SC. I suppose a shortage does depend on
> where the canned pumpkin is grown, harvested and canned.
>
Back then, the shortage was real... the Midwest was fried that summer
and nothing grew. All sorts of crops were lost and farm insurance had
to pay out big time.


--

sf

On Wed, 6 Apr 2016 12:23:11 +0100, "Ophelia" >
wrote:

> I have to say though, although UK is very small, it seems to
> be very much ahead with kitchen technology. That is always a big surprise.

I LOVE going through the kitchen appliance stores in London. They are
stocked with brands and models I never see here. They must hate
"lookie-lu" Americans taking pictures of their appliances as if they
were an exotic, rarely seen beast. Well, they ARE!

--

sf

On 4/6/2016 11:06 AM, jmcquown wrote:
>
> I do have to wonder now: what did Ophelia do with that beef brisket she
> bought and "corned" right around US Saint Patrick's Day?
>
> Jill


Put it up for Easter, duh!

On Wed, 6 Apr 2016 17:35:04 +0100, Janet > wrote:

>In article >,
says...
>>
>> On Wed, 6 Apr 2016 09:26:52 +0100, "Ophelia" >
>> wrote:
>>
>> >Just a small comment here ... when I was talking to MrD I said
>> >'grill/broiler' to make it more clear, because I knew the general word.
>> >Using your own description without knowing the US equivalent is not a matter
>> >for reprimand or humiliation.
>>
>> I think it's mainly a cultural difference. I've never seen, eaten,
>> craved or heard of pumpkin puree before.
>
> Pumpkin puree has been discussed here umpteen times (both in cans and
>home made); as an ingredient of pumpkin pie the topic turns up every
>year round about Thanksgiving.
>
> As you'd know if you ever discussed food and cooking instead of
>trolling.

Look who's talking, Hyacinth.

I don't read everything and if topics couldn't be repeated, this group
would have very little traffic.

--
Bruce

On Wed, 06 Apr 2016 10:33:15 -0400, Gary > wrote:

>Bruce wrote:
>>
>> And a grill? Do you put food on or under a grill?
>
>Please don't ever invite me over for a grilled dinner.

We'll just grill the tofu burger with vegan cheese sauce from both
sides

--
Bruce

On 4/6/2016 10:53 AM, jmcquown wrote:
> On 4/4/2016 12:04 PM, wrote:
>> On Monday, April 4, 2016 at 9:13:29 AM UTC-5,
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Two years ago I couldn't find canned pumpkin anywhere and went to at
>>> least a half dozen different stores. At each place I was told there
>>> was a pumpkin shortage and there wouldn't be more till Fall. It's
>>> still in my stores at the moment.
>>>
>>>
>>> Denise in NH
>>>
>>>
>> I read about that, here?, and was all but stumbling over
>> cases of pumpkin at the local stores here. Strange!
>>
> I read about the canned pumpkin shortage here on RFC too. I certainly
> didn't see a shortage here in SC. I suppose a shortage does depend on
> where the canned pumpkin is grown, harvested and canned.
>
> Jill

That's because they've been filming the sequel to:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PXlcm1el1D0

On Wed, 6 Apr 2016 13:41:51 +0100, "Ophelia" >
wrote:

> The Combination Microwave and under counter freezer discussed today.

Combination microwaves are common, under counter freezers are not.
Nobody I know has one and I don't see them on showroom floors.

--

sf

On Wed, 6 Apr 2016 06:40:20 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
> wrote:

>On Tuesday, April 5, 2016 at 5:52:48 PM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:
>> On Tue, 05 Apr 2016 14:37:33 -0700, sf > wrote:
>>
>> >On Tue, 5 Apr 2016 03:41:06 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> >>
>> >> And I see below that he was thinking of chunks of pumpkin in a can,
>> >> rather than a can of puree. I can see where he'd think that, since
>> >> it took quite a while for any of us to say that canned pumpkin is
>> >> pureed.
>> >
>> >We're all speaking English, but it might as well be another language.
>>
>> But if you look at the title of this thread, "Canned pumpkin
>> shortage". Not "Canned pumpkin puree shortage".
>
>Ah, well, it's all about context. We Norte Americanos grew
>up eating pumpkin pie and seeing canned pureed pumpkin in
>the stores. It likewise never occurs to us to say we
>were talking about wet water.
>
>As for the grill/broiler thing. Why do you call it a grill?
>There's no grillwork (metal bars or wires arranged to form a
>grille).
>
>Oddly enough, the etymology of broiler seems to be:
>late 14c., "grill or gridiron used in broiling," agent noun from broil (v.1).
>
>So I guess either broiler or grill really implies grillwork.

I guess US English moved the grill from top to bottom and then needed
a word for what was formerly called the grill. Hence broiler. And
because those were confusing times, they called their favourite
broiled item a broiler too.

--
Bruce

On Wed, 06 Apr 2016 19:25:15 +1000, Bruce > wrote:

> On Wed, 6 Apr 2016 02:20:47 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> > wrote:
>
> >>
> >I would have no clue what a grill/broiler was. To me, a grill is something
> >you put food on. You put food under a broiler.
>
> I'd think a grill is something you put food under, not on. Broiler
> sounds foreign and American to me. I'd have to guess a bit.
>
Grill here is short for charcoal BBQ direct heat cooking. Also the
flat top found in a restaurant is called a grill. Here is a home
version
http://www.sportsmanswarehouse.com/s...2026/cat101727

> >As for the pumpkin, the only way I know of it ever being used is as a puree.
> >If someone has any recipes for it otherwise, feel free to post them.
>
> Can't you treat them like winter squash, which is what they are or are
> extremely related to?

No need. There are too many other squashes available for a wider
amount of time that taste better in a savory preparation and are less
work.

--

sf

On Wed, 06 Apr 2016 10:33:15 -0400, Gary > wrote:

> Bruce wrote:
> >
> > And a grill? Do you put food on or under a grill?
>
> Please don't ever invite me over for a grilled dinner.

That's for sure!

--

sf

On Wed, 6 Apr 2016 17:53:25 +0100, Janet > wrote:

> In article >, says...
> >
> > Bruce wrote:
> > >
> > > And a grill? Do you put food on or under a grill?
> >
> > Please don't ever invite me over for a grilled dinner.
>
> You don't know what you're missing.
>
> Steak, pork and lamb, sausages, chicken, bacon, and some fish, some
> vegetables are all great cooked under a grill. It's essentially the same
> cooking method as a barbecue; the food is held on a rack close to the
> heat source.
>
Not the same flavor at all. I know because that's how my mother
cooked steaks.

--

sf