On Wednesday, April 6, 2016 at 2:52:37 AM UTC-10, S Viemeister wrote:
> On 4/6/2016 8:43 AM, Ophelia wrote:
> > "S Viemeister" > wrote
> >> On 4/6/2016 4:02 AM, dsi1 wrote:
> >>> That's a pretty good idea. I think a lot of people would install
> >>> something like that if they made freezers with the same dimensions as
> >>> a dishwasher. I have not seen anything like that being sold here
> >>> either. That's the breaks.
> >>>
> >> <http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00L7QVT0G/ref=wl_it_dp_o_pC_nS_img?_encoding=UTF8&colid=3UN7 CRO0HS5VK&coliid=IKIF39KTO3BBD&psc=1>
> >> <http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00L7QVT0G/ref=wl_it_dp_o_pC_nS_img?_encoding=UTF8&colid=3UN7 CRO0HS5VK&coliid=IKIF39KTO3BBD&psc=1>
> >
> > Ahaaaaa you can get them!!! How about the Panasonic Combi Microwave,
> > Sheila
> >
> Even at Walmart -
> <http://www.walmart.com/tp/convection-microwave>

I can pick up a convection microwave at the local Sears too. I can't get one with quartz/halogen heating elements. The devil is in the details, ain't it?

On Wed, 6 Apr 2016 00:59:01 -0700 (PDT), dsi1 >
wrote:

> On Tuesday, April 5, 2016 at 9:27:54 PM UTC-10, Ophelia wrote:
> > "dsi1" <dsi1> wrote in message
> > ...
> > > On Tuesday, April 5, 2016 at 10:48:35 AM UTC-10, Ophelia wrote:
> > >>
> > >> Anyway, I am not trying to sell you an appliance so I will now leave it
> > >> to
> > >> you
> > >
> > > It's too late for that - I'm already sold. The trouble is that I have not
> > > seen one of these units around. They are a rare bird.
> >
> > Oh dear. I haven't found a lot to share which is odd since I have had one
> > for around 5+ years. I will look again.
> >
> > Actually that woman described it all, but the vid was terrible.
> >
> >
> > --
> > http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk/shop/
>
> No need to look around. These ovens simply are not available in the states. We don't have the ubiquitous electric countertop hot water kettles that the Brits have either. If smaller living spaces are the trend of the future, appliances like yours will be pretty popular. The hot water kettles though, probably won't catch on here unless tea gets to be a lot more popular.

They won't be more popular until we switch over to the turbo-electric
power they have elsewhere. As it is, a counter top tea kettle takes
the same amount of time as it does on the stovetop, so I'll continue
to fill my teapot with water and heat it in the microwave.

--

sf

"sf" > wrote in message
...
> On Wed, 6 Apr 2016 13:43:13 +0100, "Ophelia" >
> wrote:
>
>> How about the Panasonic Combi Microwave, Sheila
>
> They exist.

We know. Sheila already pointed out where they can be bought.


--
http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk/shop/

On Wed, 6 Apr 2016 07:40:01 -0400, S Viemeister
> wrote:

> On 4/6/2016 3:59 AM, dsi1 wrote:
>
> > No need to look around. These ovens simply are not available in the states. We don't have the ubiquitous electric countertop hot water kettles that the Brits have either. If smaller living spaces are the trend of the future, appliances like yours will be pretty popular. The hot water kettles though, probably won't catch on here unless tea gets to be a lot more popular.
> >
> Those electric kettles are readily available on the US East Coast, and
> have been for years. They're slower than UK models, though.

They're available all over, but they're just another item that hogs
countertop real estate because they provide no real benefit.

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sf

On Wed, 06 Apr 2016 07:54:56 -0600, Janet B >
wrote:

> On Wed, 6 Apr 2016 00:59:01 -0700 (PDT), dsi1 >
> wrote:
> snip
> >
> >No need to look around. These ovens simply are not available in the states. We don't have the ubiquitous electric countertop hot water kettles that the Brits have either. If smaller living spaces are the trend of the future, appliances like yours will be pretty popular. The hot water kettles though, probably won't catch on here unless tea gets to be a lot more popular.
>
> I just saw an electric water kettle offered for sale on QVC. I watch
> QVC while on my stationary bike. If QVC has them then probably the
> kettles will be widely available soon.
> Janet US

If you have a Target or Macy's, you'll find them.

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sf

On Wed, 6 Apr 2016 11:37:35 -0500, jinx the minx >
wrote:

> In college I used them to boil pasta in my dorm room (against the rules).

I did too, but mine was an electric coffee pot, not a tea kettle.

--

sf

On 4/6/2016 12:43 PM, dsi1 wrote:
> On Wednesday, April 6, 2016 at 2:52:37 AM UTC-10, S Viemeister wrote:
>> On 4/6/2016 8:43 AM, Ophelia wrote:
>>> "S Viemeister" > wrote
>>>> On 4/6/2016 4:02 AM, dsi1 wrote:
>>>>> That's a pretty good idea. I think a lot of people would install
>>>>> something like that if they made freezers with the same dimensions as
>>>>> a dishwasher. I have not seen anything like that being sold here
>>>>> either. That's the breaks.
>>>>>
>>>> <http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00L7QVT0G/ref=wl_it_dp_o_pC_nS_img?_encoding=UTF8&colid=3UN7 CRO0HS5VK&coliid=IKIF39KTO3BBD&psc=1>
>>>> <http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00L7QVT0G/ref=wl_it_dp_o_pC_nS_img?_encoding=UTF8&colid=3UN7 CRO0HS5VK&coliid=IKIF39KTO3BBD&psc=1>
>>>
>>> Ahaaaaa you can get them!!! How about the Panasonic Combi Microwave,
>>> Sheila
>>>
>> Even at Walmart -
>> <http://www.walmart.com/tp/convection-microwave>
>
> I can pick up a convection microwave at the local Sears too. I can't get one with quartz/halogen heating elements. The devil is in the details, ain't it?
>
Satan is very picky about his heating elements, convection is for
wussies, real infidels burn up like blue bottle flies on a zapper grid.

Millipedes in the ear loosen wax.

On Wednesday, April 6, 2016 at 8:32:32 AM UTC-10, sf wrote:
> On Wed, 6 Apr 2016 01:02:11 -0700 (PDT), dsi1 <dsi>
> wrote:
>
> > On Tuesday, April 5, 2016 at 9:43:35 PM UTC-10, Ophelia wrote:
> > > "dsi1" > wrote in message
> > > ...
> > >
> > > I used to have a dishwasher but ended up getting rid of it. I like to wash
> > > up as I go along when I am cooking. I put a small upright freezer in that
> > > space and it gets far more use
> > >
> >
> > That's a pretty good idea. I think a lot of people would install something like that if they made freezers with the same dimensions as a dishwasher. I have not seen anything like that being sold here either. That's the breaks.
>
> They aren't non-existent, but they might as well be because they
> aren't displayed in showrooms. You have to know they exist or you
> won't know it's an option and you need to look elsewhere. Google
> wasn't very helpful, showing me professional kitchen models - so I
> went to Amazon and turned up quite a few for home use. I have an
> under counter refrigerator downstairs that has proven quite useful.
> After I saw this, I was thinking when the downstairs refrigerator goes
> belly up, I could remove the tray storage cabinet next to it and
> install something like this because I don't have a stand alone freezer
> anymore.
> http://smile.amazon.com/Avanti-Model...ounter+freezer
>
> --
>
> sf

When I say 'not available here", what I really mean is "not readily available here." One can find anything they want in the new world. This won't fit in the space presently occupied by my dishwasher. My guess is that somebody is building freezers designed for people looking to ditch their dishwasher and do not want to leave a big hole in the space. I just don't know who they are yet.

On 4/6/2016 12:32 PM, dsi1 wrote:
> On Wednesday, April 6, 2016 at 12:53:26 AM UTC-10, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>> On Tuesday, April 5, 2016 at 5:36:41 PM UTC-4, dsi1 wrote:
>>
>>> The manual says that the dishwasher is designed to use less water and
>>> wash dishes with greater efficiency. I haven't researched this yet so I
>>> can't comment on this. It blew my mind how long it took for my LG front
>>> loading clothes washer to wash a load when I first got it. It's gonna
>>> take about an hour. All I know is if I ever get a new clothes washer,
>>> it's going to be a top loader. Efficiency be damned!
>>
>> It takes the same time to dry as to wash. Perfect pipelining.
>>
>> That said, when my fancy front loader died prematurely, I replaced
>> it with a good old Speed Queen top loader. It might have a
>> microprocessor inside (I haven't looked), but everything that I can see
>> is all analog. The tricky part was finding a source for that brand.
>> A small, independent appliance store a couple of towns away was
>> happy to deliver to my house.
>>
>> Cindy Hamilton
>
> I used to enjoy watching my old front-loading washer - there was a lot of splashing about and action.
> The new ones are boring because they use hardly any water and are not much fun to watch. There are
> high-efficiency top loaders too and they don't use much water and not much seems to go on. I prefer a lot of
>splashing when I wash clothes.
>

Like this?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R8S_zVrgaJ4

On 4/6/2016 12:18 PM, sf wrote:
> On Wed, 6 Apr 2016 08:41:04 +0100, "Ophelia" >
> wrote:
>
>> I used to have a dishwasher but ended up getting rid of it. I like to wash
>> up as I go along when I am cooking.
>
> I clean as I go with cooking too, but dishes don't wash themselves.
>

Damned straight!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ea2vUtlv6wo

sf wrote:
> On Wed, 6 Apr 2016 09:46:00 -0600, graham > wrote:
>
>> On 06/04/2016 9:33 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> > As long as I mentioned sanitary, paper towels help with that too. That
>> > three day old dish towel can be loaded with germs. Then you spread them
>> > over all our dishes and glasses.
>> >
>> But how else do you build up resistance? :-)
>> Graham
>
> By way of grandchildren and grocery carts! Between the two, grocery
> carts are the worst - so I use those antibacterial wipes by the front
> door. I always come down with some little malady if the container is
> empty, so now I take the time to tell them to refill it and get one
> for myself.

it helps if you keep your fingers out of your mouth and nose while you shop

On 4/6/2016 12:54 PM, dsi1 wrote:

>> They aren't non-existent, but they might as well be because they
>> aren't displayed in showrooms. You have to know they exist or you
>> won't know it's an option and you need to look elsewhere. Google
>> wasn't very helpful, showing me professional kitchen models - so I
>> went to Amazon and turned up quite a few for home use. I have an
>> under counter refrigerator downstairs that has proven quite useful.
>> After I saw this, I was thinking when the downstairs refrigerator goes
>> belly up, I could remove the tray storage cabinet next to it and
>> install something like this because I don't have a stand alone freezer
>> anymore.
>> http://smile.amazon.com/Avanti-Model...ounter+freezer
>>
>> --
>>
>> sf
>
> When I say 'not available here", what I really mean is "not readily available here." One can find anything they
> want in the new world. This won't fit in the space presently occupied by my dishwasher. My guess is that somebody
> is building freezers designed for people looking to ditch their dishwasher and do not want to leave a big hole
> in the space. I just don't know who they are yet.
>

Good gravy!

https://www.fisherpaykel.com/us/kitc...ishdrawer.html

///

http://www.ajmadison.com/b.php/Under...zers/N~51+1417

On Wednesday, April 6, 2016 at 8:43:52 AM UTC-10, sf wrote:
> On Wed, 6 Apr 2016 00:59:01 -0700 (PDT), dsi1 <dsi1>
> wrote:
>
> > On Tuesday, April 5, 2016 at 9:27:54 PM UTC-10, Ophelia wrote:
> > > "dsi1" <dsi1> wrote in message
> > > ...
> > > > On Tuesday, April 5, 2016 at 10:48:35 AM UTC-10, Ophelia wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >> Anyway, I am not trying to sell you an appliance so I will now leave it
> > > >> to
> > > >> you
> > > >
> > > > It's too late for that - I'm already sold. The trouble is that I have not
> > > > seen one of these units around. They are a rare bird.
> > >
> > > Oh dear. I haven't found a lot to share which is odd since I have had one
> > > for around 5+ years. I will look again.
> > >
> > > Actually that woman described it all, but the vid was terrible.
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk/shop/
> >
> > No need to look around. These ovens simply are not available in the states. We don't have the ubiquitous electric countertop hot water kettles that the Brits have either. If smaller living spaces are the trend of the future, appliances like yours will be pretty popular. The hot water kettles though, probably won't catch on here unless tea gets to be a lot more popular.
>
> They won't be more popular until we switch over to the turbo-electric
> power they have elsewhere. As it is, a counter top tea kettle takes
> the same amount of time as it does on the stovetop, so I'll continue
> to fill my teapot with water and heat it in the microwave.
>
> --
>
> sf

The electric kettles in the UK are brilliant! The ones in the US are boring..

Here's the future of microwaves. It's not available here yet. When I say not available, I mean I can't go to Target and pick one up. I'd prefer one that uses superheated steam technology too, thank you.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lg8tFKHqI20

On 4/6/2016 2:36 PM, dsi1 wrote:
> On Wednesday, April 6, 2016 at 1:36:16 AM UTC-10, S Viemeister wrote:
>> On 4/6/2016 4:02 AM, dsi1 wrote:
>>> On Tuesday, April 5, 2016 at 9:43:35 PM UTC-10, Ophelia wrote:
>>>> I used to have a dishwasher but ended up getting rid of it. I like to wash
>>>> up as I go along when I am cooking. I put a small upright freezer in that
>>>> space and it gets far more use
>>>
>>> That's a pretty good idea. I think a lot of people would install something like that if they made freezers with the same dimensions as a dishwasher. I have not seen anything like that being sold here either. That's the breaks.
>>>
>> <http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00L7QVT0G/ref=wl_it_dp_o_pC_nS_img?_encoding=UTF8&colid=3UN7 CRO0HS5VK&coliid=IKIF39KTO3BBD&psc=1>
>>
>> <http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00L7QVT0G/ref=wl_it_dp_o_pC_nS_img?_encoding=UTF8&colid=3UN7 CRO0HS5VK&coliid=IKIF39KTO3BBD&psc=1>
>
> These don't look like they're built to fit in a 24" X 24" X 34" dishwasher cutout.
>
Looking at the measurements listed for each item, I doubt there'd be a
problem.

On Wednesday, April 6, 2016 at 9:13:37 AM UTC-10, carnal asada wrote:
> On 4/6/2016 12:54 PM, dsi1 wrote:
>
> >> They aren't non-existent, but they might as well be because they
> >> aren't displayed in showrooms. You have to know they exist or you
> >> won't know it's an option and you need to look elsewhere. Google
> >> wasn't very helpful, showing me professional kitchen models - so I
> >> went to Amazon and turned up quite a few for home use. I have an
> >> under counter refrigerator downstairs that has proven quite useful.
> >> After I saw this, I was thinking when the downstairs refrigerator goes
> >> belly up, I could remove the tray storage cabinet next to it and
> >> install something like this because I don't have a stand alone freezer
> >> anymore.
> >> http://smile.amazon.com/Avanti-Model...ounter+freezer
> >>
> >> --
> >>
> >> sf
> >
> > When I say 'not available here", what I really mean is "not readily available here." One can find anything they
> > want in the new world. This won't fit in the space presently occupied by my dishwasher. My guess is that somebody
> > is building freezers designed for people looking to ditch their dishwasher and do not want to leave a big hole
> > in the space. I just don't know who they are yet.
> >
>
> Good gravy!
>
> https://www.fisherpaykel.com/us/kitc...ishdrawer.html
>
> ///
>
> http://www.ajmadison.com/b.php/Under...zers/N~51+1417

As a local boy of the Hawaiian islands, I will avow that gravy is always good.

Ah... you heard and you understood. Those prices are awesome! And not in a good way.

On Wednesday, April 6, 2016 at 9:24:29 AM UTC-10, S Viemeister wrote:
> On 4/6/2016 2:36 PM, dsi1 wrote:
> > On Wednesday, April 6, 2016 at 1:36:16 AM UTC-10, S Viemeister wrote:
> >> On 4/6/2016 4:02 AM, dsi1 wrote:
> >>> On Tuesday, April 5, 2016 at 9:43:35 PM UTC-10, Ophelia wrote:
> >>>> I used to have a dishwasher but ended up getting rid of it. I like to wash
> >>>> up as I go along when I am cooking. I put a small upright freezer in that
> >>>> space and it gets far more use
> >>>
> >>> That's a pretty good idea. I think a lot of people would install something like that if they made freezers with the same dimensions as a dishwasher. I have not seen anything like that being sold here either. That's the breaks.
> >>>
> >> <http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00L7QVT0G/ref=wl_it_dp_o_pC_nS_img?_encoding=UTF8&colid=3UN7 CRO0HS5VK&coliid=IKIF39KTO3BBD&psc=1>
> >>
> >> <http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00L7QVT0G/ref=wl_it_dp_o_pC_nS_img?_encoding=UTF8&colid=3UN7 CRO0HS5VK&coliid=IKIF39KTO3BBD&psc=1>
> >
> > These don't look like they're built to fit in a 24" X 24" X 34" dishwasher cutout.
> >
> Looking at the measurements listed for each item, I doubt there'd be a
> problem.

That would be correct. I'd probably just put a hamster cage in there. As an added bonus, I'd have room for a toaster too!

On 4/6/2016 1:30 PM, dsi1 wrote:

>>> When I say 'not available here", what I really mean is "not readily available here." One can find anything they
>>> want in the new world. This won't fit in the space presently occupied by my dishwasher. My guess is that somebody
>>> is building freezers designed for people looking to ditch their dishwasher and do not want to leave a big hole
>>> in the space. I just don't know who they are yet.
>>>
>>
>> Good gravy!
>>
>> https://www.fisherpaykel.com/us/kitc...ishdrawer.html
>>
>> ///
>>
>> http://www.ajmadison.com/b.php/Under...zers/N~51+1417
>
> As a local boy of the Hawaiian islands, I will avow that gravy is always good.
>
> Ah... you heard and you understood. Those prices are awesome! And not in a good way.
>

Hang loose bro!!!

"dsi1" > wrote in message
...
> On Wednesday, April 6, 2016 at 8:43:52 AM UTC-10, sf wrote:
>> On Wed, 6 Apr 2016 00:59:01 -0700 (PDT), dsi1 <dsi1>
>> wrote:
>>
>> > On Tuesday, April 5, 2016 at 9:27:54 PM UTC-10, Ophelia wrote:
>> > > "dsi1" <dsi1> wrote in message
>> > > ...
>> > > > On Tuesday, April 5, 2016 at 10:48:35 AM UTC-10, Ophelia wrote:
>> > > >>
>> > > >> Anyway, I am not trying to sell you an appliance so I will now
>> > > >> leave it
>> > > >> to
>> > > >> you
>> > > >
>> > > > It's too late for that - I'm already sold. The trouble is that I
>> > > > have not
>> > > > seen one of these units around. They are a rare bird.
>> > >
>> > > Oh dear. I haven't found a lot to share which is odd since I have
>> > > had one
>> > > for around 5+ years. I will look again.
>> > >
>> > > Actually that woman described it all, but the vid was terrible.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > --
>> > > http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk/shop/
>> >
>> > No need to look around. These ovens simply are not available in the
>> > states. We don't have the ubiquitous electric countertop hot water
>> > kettles that the Brits have either. If smaller living spaces are the
>> > trend of the future, appliances like yours will be pretty popular. The
>> > hot water kettles though, probably won't catch on here unless tea gets
>> > to be a lot more popular.
>>
>> They won't be more popular until we switch over to the turbo-electric
>> power they have elsewhere. As it is, a counter top tea kettle takes
>> the same amount of time as it does on the stovetop, so I'll continue
>> to fill my teapot with water and heat it in the microwave.
>>
>> --
>>
>> sf
>
> The electric kettles in the UK are brilliant! The ones in the US are
> boring.
>
> Here's the future of microwaves. It's not available here yet. When I say
> not available, I mean I can't go to Target and pick one up. I'd prefer one
> that uses superheated steam technology too, thank you.
>
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lg8tFKHqI20

The only thing there that mine lacks is the steamer! Everything else works
the same Mine is around 5+ years old, so when this fails ... steam here I
come)




--
http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk/shop/

On Wed, 6 Apr 2016 11:54:06 -0700 (PDT), dsi1 >
wrote:

>
> When I say 'not available here", what I really mean is "not readily available here." One can find anything they want in the new world. This won't fit in the space presently occupied by my dishwasher. My guess is that somebody is building freezers designed for people looking to ditch their dishwasher and do not want to leave a big hole in the space. I just don't know who they are yet.

I understand, but the usual "gotcha" people obviously don't.

--

sf

On Wed, 6 Apr 2016 13:13:31 -0600, carnal asada > wrote:

> On 4/6/2016 12:54 PM, dsi1 wrote:
>
> >> They aren't non-existent, but they might as well be because they
> >> aren't displayed in showrooms. You have to know they exist or you
> >> won't know it's an option and you need to look elsewhere. Google
> >> wasn't very helpful, showing me professional kitchen models - so I
> >> went to Amazon and turned up quite a few for home use. I have an
> >> under counter refrigerator downstairs that has proven quite useful.
> >> After I saw this, I was thinking when the downstairs refrigerator goes
> >> belly up, I could remove the tray storage cabinet next to it and
> >> install something like this because I don't have a stand alone freezer
> >> anymore.
> >> http://smile.amazon.com/Avanti-Model...ounter+freezer
> >>
> >> --
> >>
> >> sf
> >
> > When I say 'not available here", what I really mean is "not readily available here." One can find anything they
> > want in the new world. This won't fit in the space presently occupied by my dishwasher. My guess is that somebody
> > is building freezers designed for people looking to ditch their dishwasher and do not want to leave a big hole
> > in the space. I just don't know who they are yet.
> >
>
> Good gravy!
>
> https://www.fisherpaykel.com/us/kitc...ishdrawer.html
>
I have wanted dishwasher drawers ever since I heard about them ($$$
and not paying the price) for years, but a friend bought a place with
them installed and she hates them. Her plates don't fit for starters,
and are old - so they're normal size. Makes me wonder how anyone
could fit the new hubcap sized plates in them. Weird design.
>


--

sf

On Wed, 6 Apr 2016 12:23:47 -0700 (PDT), dsi1 >
wrote:

> Here's the future of microwaves. It's not available here yet. When I say not available, I mean I can't go to Target and pick one up. I'd prefer one that uses superheated steam technology too, thank you.
>
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lg8tFKHqI20

Nice little piece of counter top real estate hogging machinery!

--

sf

In article >,
says...
>
> On 4/6/2016 6:57 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>
> >
> > Well, we've had this same conversation countless times before, and neither
> > of us is going to persuade the other.
> >
> > Cindy Hamilton
> >
>
> Yeah, but we know who is right! We've been married almost 50 years and
> have used a DW for probably 48. Can't imagine not having one.
>
> Certain things are easier to hand wash because of size, but not many.
> With just the two of us, the machine runs about every other day.
> Perfectly clean and sanitary it helps to reduce colds and stuff.
>
> As long as I mentioned sanitary, paper towels help with that too. That
> three day old dish towel can be loaded with germs. Then you spread them
> over all our dishes and glasses.

Who on earth uses the same dishtowel for three days?

Janet UK

On Wed, 6 Apr 2016 20:58:05 +0100, "Ophelia" >
wrote:

>
>
> "dsi1" > wrote in message
> ...
> > On Wednesday, April 6, 2016 at 8:43:52 AM UTC-10, sf wrote:
> >> On Wed, 6 Apr 2016 00:59:01 -0700 (PDT), dsi1 <dsi1>
> >> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > No need to look around. These ovens simply are not available in the
> >> > states. We don't have the ubiquitous electric countertop hot water
> >> > kettles that the Brits have either. If smaller living spaces are the
> >> > trend of the future, appliances like yours will be pretty popular. The
> >> > hot water kettles though, probably won't catch on here unless tea gets
> >> > to be a lot more popular.
> >>
> >> They won't be more popular until we switch over to the turbo-electric
> >> power they have elsewhere. As it is, a counter top tea kettle takes
> >> the same amount of time as it does on the stovetop, so I'll continue
> >> to fill my teapot with water and heat it in the microwave.
> >>
> >
> > The electric kettles in the UK are brilliant! The ones in the US are
> > boring.
> >
> > Here's the future of microwaves. It's not available here yet. When I say
> > not available, I mean I can't go to Target and pick one up. I'd prefer one
> > that uses superheated steam technology too, thank you.
> >
> >
> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lg8tFKHqI20
>
> The only thing there that mine lacks is the steamer! Everything else works
> the same Mine is around 5+ years old, so when this fails ... steam here I
> come)

What would you be paying for one of those today (in Euros)?

--

sf

On 4/6/2016 2:26 PM, sf wrote:

>>> When I say 'not available here", what I really mean is "not readily available here." One can find anything they
>>> want in the new world. This won't fit in the space presently occupied by my dishwasher. My guess is that somebody
>>> is building freezers designed for people looking to ditch their dishwasher and do not want to leave a big hole
>>> in the space. I just don't know who they are yet.
>>>
>>
>> Good gravy!
>>
>> https://www.fisherpaykel.com/us/kitc...ishdrawer.html
>>
> I have wanted dishwasher drawers ever since I heard about them ($$$
> and not paying the price) for years, but a friend bought a place with
> them installed and she hates them. Her plates don't fit for starters,
> and are old - so they're normal size. Makes me wonder how anyone
> could fit the new hubcap sized plates in them. Weird design.

A product of that vibrantly odd kingdom of Nee Zooland.

Perhaps they use Hobbit size plates down under.


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"sf" > wrote in message
...
> On Wed, 6 Apr 2016 20:58:05 +0100, "Ophelia" >
> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> "dsi1" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> > On Wednesday, April 6, 2016 at 8:43:52 AM UTC-10, sf wrote:
>> >> On Wed, 6 Apr 2016 00:59:01 -0700 (PDT), dsi1 <dsi1>
>> >> wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> > No need to look around. These ovens simply are not available in the
>> >> > states. We don't have the ubiquitous electric countertop hot water
>> >> > kettles that the Brits have either. If smaller living spaces are the
>> >> > trend of the future, appliances like yours will be pretty popular.
>> >> > The
>> >> > hot water kettles though, probably won't catch on here unless tea
>> >> > gets
>> >> > to be a lot more popular.
>> >>
>> >> They won't be more popular until we switch over to the turbo-electric
>> >> power they have elsewhere. As it is, a counter top tea kettle takes
>> >> the same amount of time as it does on the stovetop, so I'll continue
>> >> to fill my teapot with water and heat it in the microwave.
>> >>
>> >
>> > The electric kettles in the UK are brilliant! The ones in the US are
>> > boring.
>> >
>> > Here's the future of microwaves. It's not available here yet. When I
>> > say
>> > not available, I mean I can't go to Target and pick one up. I'd prefer
>> > one
>> > that uses superheated steam technology too, thank you.
>> >
>> >
>> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lg8tFKHqI20
>>
>> The only thing there that mine lacks is the steamer! Everything else
>> works
>> the same Mine is around 5+ years old, so when this fails ... steam
>> here I
>> come)
>
> What would you be paying for one of those today (in Euros)?

Whoa just found it £499.00 I will leave you to work out the euros.

The one I have now was well under £200 and works beautifully so I would have
to think very hard about paying double just for steam extra.



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http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk/shop/

On Wednesday, April 6, 2016 at 4:31:59 PM UTC-4, Janet wrote:
> In article >,
> says...
> >
> > On 4/6/2016 6:57 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > Well, we've had this same conversation countless times before, and neither
> > > of us is going to persuade the other.
> > >
> > > Cindy Hamilton
> > >
> >
> > Yeah, but we know who is right! We've been married almost 50 years and
> > have used a DW for probably 48. Can't imagine not having one.
> >
> > Certain things are easier to hand wash because of size, but not many.
> > With just the two of us, the machine runs about every other day.
> > Perfectly clean and sanitary it helps to reduce colds and stuff.
> >
> > As long as I mentioned sanitary, paper towels help with that too. That
> > three day old dish towel can be loaded with germs. Then you spread them
> > over all our dishes and glasses.
>
> Who on earth uses the same dishtowel for three days?

I use separate towels for drying hands and drying dishes
(my sharp knives, mostly). I try to change the hand drying
towel every day, but sometimes will miss a day or two if
life throws me a curve. I change the dish towel
a couple of times a week, since it only touches freshly
washed dishes. Separation of function makes me feel
better about using a towel that's perhaps a little elderly.
If I cook something like a turkey, where I'm apt to have
my hands all over it, I change the hand towel when I'm
done playing with the turkey.

If I'm having guests to dinner, the first thing I do when
I start preparing food is to change out both towels. Just
in case.

For the most part, I have a superbly functioning immune
system and just don't stress over these things.

Cindy Hamilton

On Wed, 6 Apr 2016 03:53:22 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
> wrote:

>That said, when my fancy front loader died prematurely, I replaced
>it with a good old Speed Queen top loader. It might have a
>microprocessor inside (I haven't looked), but everything that I can see
>is all analog. The tricky part was finding a source for that brand.
>A small, independent appliance store a couple of towns away was
>happy to deliver to my house.

My model of top loading washing machine is 16 years old now.
I bought it new and still have it. A couple of years ago the pump
failed (probably due to freezing up with ice). Fortunately it was a
very common model and I've had no trouble finding either very cheap
working machines or freebies that have been thrown out. So I have two
complete working machines and all the spare parts I need for the
foreseeable future. It is a simple, mechanical non-digital machine and
they just won't die. Does a perfectly good job of washing too, gentle
cycle is excellent.

On Wed, 6 Apr 2016 11:32:07 -0700 (PDT), dsi1 >
wrote:

> I used to enjoy watching my old front-loading washer - there was a lot of splashing about and action. The new ones are boring because they use hardly any water and are not much fun to watch.

Are there many ad breaks?

In article >,
says...
>
> On Wednesday, April 6, 2016 at 1:40:03 AM UTC-10, S Viemeister wrote:
> > On 4/6/2016 3:59 AM, dsi1 wrote:
> >
> > > No need to look around. These ovens simply are not available in the states. We don't have the ubiquitous electric countertop hot water kettles that the Brits have either. If smaller living spaces are the trend of the future, appliances like yours will be pretty popular. The hot water kettles though, probably won't catch on here unless tea gets to be a lot more popular.
> > >
> > Those electric kettles are readily available on the US East Coast, and
> > have been for years. They're slower than UK models, though.
>
> I can pick up an electric kettle too. My point was they won't be as popular here because of cultural differences. They won't work as well as the ones in the UK either because our voltage is half as ours. It's like a V8 engine vs a 4-cylinder engine.

We don't just use them to make tea, you know.

Janet UK

On 4/6/2016 3:15 PM, Janet wrote:
>> I can pick up an electric kettle too. My point was they won't be as popular here because of cultural differences
>> . They won't work as well as the ones in the UK either because our voltage is half as ours. It's like a V8
>> engine vs a 4-cylinder engine.
> We don't just use them to make tea, you know.
>
> Janet UK

It's ever so cruel to dip hedgehogs in them.

On 2016-04-06 12:37 PM, jinx the minx wrote:

>> I just saw an electric water kettle offered for sale on QVC. I watch
>> QVC while on my stationary bike. If QVC has them then probably the
>> kettles will be widely available soon.
>> Janet US
>>
>
> I've never not seen one for sale in stores here?! For sure all the Target
> stores sell them locally and have had them in stock for years. For me, i
> just don't understand their appeal, and I say this as a tea drinker! I
> just heat my water on the stove or occasionally in the microwave. My
> in-laws insist on having an electric kettle on hand wherever they go,
> however, so I have them taking up my cupboard space in each of our houses.
> In college I used them to boil pasta in my dorm room (against the rules).
>

It is my understanding that electric kettles are nowhere near as popular
in the US as they are in Canada. They are readily available in any
cookware, hardware, home furnishing or department store. They don't
just have one or two available. They are likely to have at least a half
dozen different models available. Stove top kettles, OTOH, are few and
far between.

Some years back my sister in law had their neighbour and her daughters
over. The girls were 10-12 range. For some reason, she had the
neighbour's daughter heat up some water in the kettle. The girl filled
the kettle,put it on the stove and turned on the burner. That was the
end of that electric kettle. The mother is American and she always used
a stove top kettle.

On 2016-04-06 2:40 PM, dsi1 wrote:

>> Those electric kettles are readily available on the US East Coast,
>> and have been for years. They're slower than UK models, though.
>
> I can pick up an electric kettle too. My point was they won't be as
> popular here because of cultural differences. They won't work as well
> as the ones in the UK either because our voltage is half as ours.
> It's like a V8 engine vs a 4-cylinder engine.
>

They work just fine. I have used on all my life and the newer models are
very efficient. I can fill mine up and get it to a boil in 2-3 minutes.
We had a stove top kettle for a while but switched back to electric
because it was so much faster.

On 06/04/2016 3:48 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2016-04-06 2:40 PM, dsi1 wrote:
>
>>> Those electric kettles are readily available on the US East Coast,
>>> and have been for years. They're slower than UK models, though.
>>
>> I can pick up an electric kettle too. My point was they won't be as
>> popular here because of cultural differences. They won't work as well
>> as the ones in the UK either because our voltage is half as ours.
>> It's like a V8 engine vs a 4-cylinder engine.
>>
>
> They work just fine. I have used on all my life and the newer models are
> very efficient. I can fill mine up and get it to a boil in 2-3 minutes.
> We had a stove top kettle for a while but switched back to electric
> because it was so much faster.

It must be small then! I've yet to find one that is not pitifully slow
compared to the 240v UK ones.
Graham

On 4/6/2016 9:58 AM, Ophelia wrote:
>
>
> "dsi1" > wrote in message
> ...
>> On Wednesday, April 6, 2016 at 8:43:52 AM UTC-10, sf wrote:
>>> On Wed, 6 Apr 2016 00:59:01 -0700 (PDT), dsi1 <dsi1>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> > On Tuesday, April 5, 2016 at 9:27:54 PM UTC-10, Ophelia wrote:
>>> > > "dsi1" <dsi1> wrote in message
>>> > > ...
>>> > > > On Tuesday, April 5, 2016 at 10:48:35 AM UTC-10, Ophelia wrote:
>>> > > >>
>>> > > >> Anyway, I am not trying to sell you an appliance so I will now
>>> > > >> leave it
>>> > > >> to
>>> > > >> you
>>> > > >
>>> > > > It's too late for that - I'm already sold. The trouble is that
>>> I > > > have not
>>> > > > seen one of these units around. They are a rare bird.
>>> > >
>>> > > Oh dear. I haven't found a lot to share which is odd since I
>>> have > > had one
>>> > > for around 5+ years. I will look again.
>>> > >
>>> > > Actually that woman described it all, but the vid was terrible.
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > > -- > > http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk/shop/
>>> >
>>> > No need to look around. These ovens simply are not available in the
>>> > states. We don't have the ubiquitous electric countertop hot water
>>> > kettles that the Brits have either. If smaller living spaces are
>>> the > trend of the future, appliances like yours will be pretty
>>> popular. The > hot water kettles though, probably won't catch on here
>>> unless tea gets > to be a lot more popular.
>>>
>>> They won't be more popular until we switch over to the turbo-electric
>>> power they have elsewhere. As it is, a counter top tea kettle takes
>>> the same amount of time as it does on the stovetop, so I'll continue
>>> to fill my teapot with water and heat it in the microwave.
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> sf
>>
>> The electric kettles in the UK are brilliant! The ones in the US are
>> boring.
>>
>> Here's the future of microwaves. It's not available here yet. When I
>> say not available, I mean I can't go to Target and pick one up. I'd
>> prefer one that uses superheated steam technology too, thank you.
>>
>>
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lg8tFKHqI20
>
> The only thing there that mine lacks is the steamer! Everything else
> works the same Mine is around 5+ years old, so when this fails ...
> steam here I come)
>
>
>
>

It's going to be beautiful alright. Superheated steam is cool stuff. My
guess is that it'll be a lot more efficient than electrical elements.
It's like cooking foods with a low temperature blowtorch.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=boTY5v_Y7YA

On 4/6/2016 10:31 AM, sf wrote:
> On Wed, 6 Apr 2016 12:23:47 -0700 (PDT), dsi1 >
> wrote:
>
>> Here's the future of microwaves. It's not available here yet. When I say not available, I mean I can't go to Target and pick one up. I'd prefer one that uses superheated steam technology too, thank you.
>>
>>
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lg8tFKHqI20
>
> Nice little piece of counter top real estate hogging machinery!
>

That's true. Ideally I'd want one that fits above the range. The model
shown is kind of a funny size for MW units.

On 4/6/2016 10:49 AM, Je�us wrote:
> On Wed, 6 Apr 2016 11:32:07 -0700 (PDT), dsi1 >
> wrote:
>
>> I used to enjoy watching my old front-loading washer - there was a lot of splashing about and action. The new ones are boring because they use hardly any water and are not much fun to watch.
>
> Are there many ad breaks?
>

Obviously, this was in the days before there was Youtube.

On 4/6/2016 11:15 AM, Janet wrote:
> In article >,
> says...
>>
>> On Wednesday, April 6, 2016 at 1:40:03 AM UTC-10, S Viemeister wrote:
>>> On 4/6/2016 3:59 AM, dsi1 wrote:
>>>
>>>> No need to look around. These ovens simply are not available in the states. We don't have the ubiquitous electric countertop hot water kettles that the Brits have either. If smaller living spaces are the trend of the future, appliances like yours will be pretty popular. The hot water kettles though, probably won't catch on here unless tea gets to be a lot more popular.
>>>>
>>> Those electric kettles are readily available on the US East Coast, and
>>> have been for years. They're slower than UK models, though.
>>
>> I can pick up an electric kettle too. My point was they won't be as popular here because of cultural differences. They won't work as well as the ones in the UK either because our voltage is half as ours. It's like a V8 engine vs a 4-cylinder engine.
>
> We don't just use them to make tea, you know.
>
> Janet UK
>

I can understand that. Americans have use for boiling water too but for
some reason, these kettles are not that popular in the US. I have no
explanation of why this is so.

On Wed, 6 Apr 2016 22:15:30 +0100, Janet > wrote:

>In article >,
says...
>>
>> I can pick up an electric kettle too. My point was they won't be as popular here because of cultural differences. They won't work as well as the ones in the UK either because our voltage is half as ours. It's like a V8 engine vs a 4-cylinder engine.
>
> We don't just use them to make tea, you know.

Oh come on. Everyone knows Brits subsist on tea and kippers.

On 4/6/2016 11:48 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2016-04-06 2:40 PM, dsi1 wrote:
>
>>> Those electric kettles are readily available on the US East Coast,
>>> and have been for years. They're slower than UK models, though.
>>
>> I can pick up an electric kettle too. My point was they won't be as
>> popular here because of cultural differences. They won't work as well
>> as the ones in the UK either because our voltage is half as ours.
>> It's like a V8 engine vs a 4-cylinder engine.
>>
>
> They work just fine. I have used on all my life and the newer models are
> very efficient. I can fill mine up and get it to a boil in 2-3 minutes.
> We had a stove top kettle for a while but switched back to electric
> because it was so much faster.

The ones I used in the UK were super-fast and used super-efficient
induction heating. These kettles would make you flip your wig. I was
deeply impressed.

I was also impressed with the diesel engine car we rented. It had a
small 2.0L engine but it felt like a large V8. It had a torque curve as
flat as Idaho and gave us 40+ MPG to boot. Brilliant!

On Wed, 6 Apr 2016 12:32:31 -1000, dsi1 > wrote:

>On 4/6/2016 11:15 AM, Janet wrote:
>>
>> We don't just use them to make tea, you know.
>
>I can understand that. Americans have use for boiling water too but for
>some reason, these kettles are not that popular in the US. I have no
>explanation of why this is so.

Most of you guys only have a 110V power supply, right?
That's one good reason right there. 220/240V is going to do the job
much faster. 110V would be very slow.