On 4/8/2016 6:49 PM, Janet B wrote:
> On Sat, 9 Apr 2016 00:38:48 +0100, Janet > wrote:
>
>> In article >, says...
>>>
> snip
>>> Since 2001, the president has earned a $400,000 annual salary, along
>>> with a $50,000 annual expense account, a $100,000 nontaxable travel
>>> account, and $19,000 for entertainment.[79][80] The most recent raise in
>>> salary was approved by Congress and President Bill Clinton in 1999 and
>>> went into effect in 2001.
>>
>> You're confusing his salary with what the taxpayer pays to support
>> Presidential expenses (reputedly 1.4 billion USD a year)
>>>
>>>
>>> Your royals cost HOW much?
>>>
>>> Well - let's look at the stats.
>>>
>>> The annual report states that the monarchy costs the UK approximately
>>> £35.7 million.
>>
>> That is the Sovereign Grant, paid by parliament to the Queen to fince
>> her public duties. The Sovereign Grant represents 15 % of the profit
>>from the Crown Estate. Don't be fooled by the name, the Crown Estate
>> does not belong to the monarch/royal family.
>>
>> The Crown Estate is one of the largest property owners in the United
>> Kingdom, producing £211 million for the Treasury in the financial year
>> 2007?8 and with holdings of £7.3 billion in 2011. The Crown Estate is
>> not the private property of the Monarch. It cannot be sold or owned by
>> the Sovereign in a private capacity, nor do any revenues, or debts, from
>> the estate accrue to her. Instead the Crown Estate is owned by the
>> Crown, a corporation representing the legal embodiment of the State. It
>> is held in trust and governed by Act of Parliament, to which it makes an
>> annual report. Revenue from the Crown Estate is thought to be due to
>> double in real terms in the period to 2020.
>>
>> Janet UK
>>
> If Trump becomes president we will also have to cover the cost of
> several on-staff, on-call beauticians and hair stylists for him
> Janet US
>
If the soon to be indicted graveside liar Billary becomes President we
can blame youtube for all our sins.

On 2016-04-09 10:27 AM, jmcquown wrote:

> I sure wouldn't want to drive around the Southern US without air
> conditioning in the car. This time of year, though, it's quite pleasant
> enough to just open a window. Ditto the windows in the house. I
> haven't had to run the AC yet this year but I did just have it serviced
> before it gets hot outside.

I have never been down that way but from what I hear, it tends to be
humid as well as hot, and that makes it a whole lot worse.


> My parents' car (when you get to be 70+ are you required to buy a
> Buick?!) had heated seats. They (my parents) apparently got cold very
> easily. So far, I have no need for heated seats. It simply doesn't get
> that cold here.

Maybe it is because they can afford them, and/or they learned that they
are good value. I just got rid of my mother's old Buick last summer. It
was a 1997 LeSabre that my mother had bought for my father. He died
about a year later and she drove it until 2005 when she lost her license
for medical reasons. We bought it and drove it for another 10 years. The
motor was still in great condition and it got great mileage, but the
front end rotted away. It seemed like a lot of money at the time, but
cost per year was less than buying a cheap car.

On 4/9/2016 1:28 AM, sf wrote:
> On Fri, 8 Apr 2016 14:40:48 -0600, carnal asada > wrote:
>
>> On 4/8/2016 12:29 PM, Brooklyn1 wrote:
>>
>>>> I like that we have individual climate control knobs for each side
>>>> these days. Haven't felt the need to turn the heat on my feet now
>>>> that I mainly wear pants and athletic shoes, but I sure needed it back
>>>> in the days of skirts and hosiery. It was a constant argument because
>>>> nothing was separate, so when I turned the heat from my torso to my
>>>> feet (because that's what was cold), my husband would complain
>>>> bitterly that his feet were too hot. Those days are over now, TG.
>>>
>>> Why would anyone driving in SF even need heat in a car???
>>
>> It gets chilly, real damp chilly.
>>
>
> He must think SF is like Hawaii.
>

Shelly has all manner of odd beliefs, none subject to change either...

"carnal asada" > wrote in message
...
> On 4/9/2016 1:28 AM, sf wrote:
>> On Fri, 8 Apr 2016 14:40:48 -0600, carnal asada > wrote:
>>
>>> On 4/8/2016 12:29 PM, Brooklyn1 wrote:
>>>
>>>>> I like that we have individual climate control knobs for each side
>>>>> these days. Haven't felt the need to turn the heat on my feet now
>>>>> that I mainly wear pants and athletic shoes, but I sure needed it back
>>>>> in the days of skirts and hosiery. It was a constant argument because
>>>>> nothing was separate, so when I turned the heat from my torso to my
>>>>> feet (because that's what was cold), my husband would complain
>>>>> bitterly that his feet were too hot. Those days are over now, TG.
>>>>
>>>> Why would anyone driving in SF even need heat in a car???
>>>
>>> It gets chilly, real damp chilly.
>>>
>>
>> He must think SF is like Hawaii.
>>
>
> Shelly has all manner of odd beliefs, none subject to change either...

Yep, that's one thing out of town guests couldn't understand when taking
them to SF and telling them to bring a jacket or sweater, because it might
be hot as heck here but when we get to SF it can be quite a different story
in a fairly short distance, actually cold.

Cheri

On 4/9/2016 6:25 AM, wrote:
> I'm on my own

As well you should be, you flinty old shrew!

On Saturday, April 9, 2016 at 6:48:54 AM UTC-10, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2016-04-09 9:58 AM, jmcquown wrote:
> > On 4/8/2016 6:14 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
> >> On 2016-04-08 2:20 PM, sf wrote:
> >>
> >>> Maybe electric cars will be what it takes to upgrade our system from
> >>> 120v to 240v
> >>> (snippage)
> >>
> >>
> >> I don't see that happening any time soon because they are too many
> >> houses wired for 120. I doubt they will go to the effort to convert
> >> everything wired for all the old lights and appliances. They already
> >> have a segment that is 240 for things like clothes dryers, stoves and
> >> water pressure systems.
> >
> > Exactly right, Dave. When we lived in Thailand we had to use electrical
> > transformers to "step down" the voltage for things like bedside lamps
> > brought from the States.
>
>
> With more than 320 million people in the US, all with lamps, radios,
> TVs, microwaves, refrigerators, washing machines, radios, stereo
> systems, computers etc. all running on 120, and having houses wired
> for that voltage, the chances of a switchover to 240 are pretty much zero.

Homes in the US are wired for 120V and 240V line voltage. The 240V lines are for electric ranges and clothes dryers. In the near future, it'll be used to charge the family car. Beats the hell out of me what the family with two or more cars will do.

On 2016-04-09 10:44 AM, Gary wrote:
> Dave Smith wrote:

>> Is my wife cooking in your kitchen? I can cook a meal and use only one
>> knife, maybe two. When she cooks she uses at least 5, and no, I am not
>> exaggerating.
>
> lol. Whenever my daughter cooks for me it's a disaster. She cooks a
> fantastic meal but I swear she dirties every single dish, bowl and
> utensil. Not only is the meal served very late but it's always a
> massive cleanup for me later...usually the next morning. sigh

I believe it. No knife can be used for more than one cutting job.
Sometimes they also need their own cutting boards. Measuring spoons can
only be used for one thing, and for some reason they think it is easier
to use both sets of nesting measuring cups instead of using one
measuring cup and gauging amounts against the lines on the side. When
a stainless bowl is needed the nesting set is brought out and the unused
ones left on the counter. They end up getting dirtied and have to be
washed too. Then there is the frustration about their not being enough
counter space because of all the used and unused utensils sitting on it.
Then there are the spoons and forks used for cooking. Like the knives,
none can be used for more than one thing.

Here is a prime example..... making salmon salad. She will open the
salmon and drain the liquid with a sieve. She gets a cutting board and a
knife for the onion. Now the knife is tainted with onion and cannot be
used for the celery, even though it will be mixed with the onion, so she
needs a second knife. She uses a fork to put the salmon into a bowl and
add the onion and celery and realizes the bowl is too small to combine
things without spilling, so she gets out another bowl. Of course that
means a rubber spatula to scrape out everything, and now we need a clean
spoon for the mayo, and another to spoon the salmon salad into the
bread. Once the sandwich is made she needs a another clean knife to cut
it.

I think my way is more efficient. I open the can and turn it on its side
to drain the liquid. While that is happening I use one knife to cut the
onion and celery. I get a big enough bowl for everything and use a fork
or spoon to get out a good dollop of mayo, then toss on the onion and
celery, stir it around, and then use the same utensil to get the salmon
from the can to the bowl and to stir it all together. Then use the same
spoon or fork to get it onto the bread. The knife used to the onion and
salad may or may not be wiped before cutting the sandwich.

I don't have the patience to clean up after her cooking. I know it is
fair to clean if she cooks, but I get upset about having to wash 4-5
times as many items. I balk at having to wash all 6 pieces of a nesting
set when only one of them was used, and to wash a half dozen knives when
one could have done all the jobs.

On 4/9/2016 7:31 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
> Is my wife cooking in your kitchen?

No, but I spatchcocked the **** and basted her with adobo sauce.

"Dave Smith" > wrote in message
...
> On 2016-04-09 10:44 AM, Gary wrote:
>> Dave Smith wrote:
>
>>> Is my wife cooking in your kitchen? I can cook a meal and use only one
>>> knife, maybe two. When she cooks she uses at least 5, and no, I am not
>>> exaggerating.
>>
>> lol. Whenever my daughter cooks for me it's a disaster. She cooks a
>> fantastic meal but I swear she dirties every single dish, bowl and
>> utensil. Not only is the meal served very late but it's always a
>> massive cleanup for me later...usually the next morning. sigh
>
> I believe it. No knife can be used for more than one cutting job.
> Sometimes they also need their own cutting boards. Measuring spoons can
> only be used for one thing, and for some reason they think it is easier to
> use both sets of nesting measuring cups instead of using one measuring cup
> and gauging amounts against the lines on the side. When a stainless bowl
> is needed the nesting set is brought out and the unused ones left on the
> counter. They end up getting dirtied and have to be washed too. Then
> there is the frustration about their not being enough counter space
> because of all the used and unused utensils sitting on it. Then there are
> the spoons and forks used for cooking. Like the knives, none can be used
> for more than one thing.
>
> Here is a prime example..... making salmon salad. She will open the
> salmon and drain the liquid with a sieve. She gets a cutting board and a
> knife for the onion. Now the knife is tainted with onion and cannot be
> used for the celery, even though it will be mixed with the onion, so she
> needs a second knife. She uses a fork to put the salmon into a bowl and
> add the onion and celery and realizes the bowl is too small to combine
> things without spilling, so she gets out another bowl. Of course that
> means a rubber spatula to scrape out everything, and now we need a clean
> spoon for the mayo, and another to spoon the salmon salad into the bread.
> Once the sandwich is made she needs a another clean knife to cut it.
>
> I think my way is more efficient. I open the can and turn it on its side
> to drain the liquid. While that is happening I use one knife to cut the
> onion and celery. I get a big enough bowl for everything and use a fork
> or spoon to get out a good dollop of mayo, then toss on the onion and
> celery, stir it around, and then use the same utensil to get the salmon
> from the can to the bowl and to stir it all together. Then use the same
> spoon or fork to get it onto the bread. The knife used to the onion and
> salad may or may not be wiped before cutting the sandwich.
>
> I don't have the patience to clean up after her cooking. I know it is
> fair to clean if she cooks, but I get upset about having to wash 4-5 times
> as many items. I balk at having to wash all 6 pieces of a nesting set
> when only one of them was used, and to wash a half dozen knives when one
> could have done all the jobs.

She probably keeps lots of knives handy when you're in the kitchen. Smart
lady.

Cheri

On 2016-04-09 11:04 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 4/9/2016 10:27 AM, jmcquown wrote:
>
>>
>> My parents' car (when you get to be 70+ are you required to buy a
>> Buick?!) had heated seats.
>
> Average age of Buick owners has recently dropped from 64 five years ago
> to 57 now. Cadillac is still 65.
>
> Average age of Corvette owner is 59. We all wanted one when were were
> teenagers, but could not afford it until many years later.
>

The average age of Harley Davidson is now 48. Fifty years ago it was
probably in around 20-30.

On 4/9/2016 8:58 AM, wrote:
> The machine at the bridge club has a smart
> wash


The "bridge club"?

WTF!

You crumbled since David croaked!

On 4/9/2016 9:53 AM, jmcquown wrote:
> On 4/9/2016 11:04 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>> On 4/9/2016 10:27 AM, jmcquown wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> My parents' car (when you get to be 70+ are you required to buy a
>>> Buick?!) had heated seats.
>>
>> Average age of Buick owners has recently dropped from 64 five years ago
>> to 57 now. Cadillac is still 65.
>>
>> Average age of Corvette owner is 59. We all wanted one when were were
>> teenagers, but could not afford it until many years later.
>>
> Fun "facts", Ed. My occasional (seasonal) neighbor across the street
> owns five cars. I can't for the life of me imagine owning five cars. A
> couple of years ago he bought a 1965 Mustang. Fortunately it wasn't
> red. <G> He drove down here from Maryland this time around in his blue
> Porsche convertible. I'm not impressed.
>
> All I need/want is a car that gets me from point A to point B and back.
> And yes, it must have AC. <G>
>
> Jill


Jealous ****!

On 4/9/2016 10:49 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
> the chances of a switchover to 240 are pretty much zero.

AS is the NEED.

You dumb chicken coop bully.

On 4/9/2016 10:55 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
> I just got rid of my mother's old Buick last summer.

Did she make you move out of her basement?

On 4/9/2016 11:11 AM, dsi1 wrote:

> Homes in the US are wired for 120V and 240V line voltage. The 240V lines are for electric ranges and clothes
> dryers. In the near future, it'll be used to charge the family car. Beats the hell out of me what the family
> with two or more cars will do.
>
Use alternating charge cycles?

On 4/9/2016 11:14 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
> I balk at having to wash all 6 pieces of a nesting set

Gaawd yer a feckless prig!

On Sat, 9 Apr 2016 10:16:10 -0700, "Cheri" >
wrote:

>
>"Dave Smith" > wrote in message
...
>> On 2016-04-09 10:44 AM, Gary wrote:
>>> Dave Smith wrote:
>>
>>>> Is my wife cooking in your kitchen? I can cook a meal and use only one
>>>> knife, maybe two. When she cooks she uses at least 5, and no, I am not
>>>> exaggerating.
>>>
>>> lol. Whenever my daughter cooks for me it's a disaster. She cooks a
>>> fantastic meal but I swear she dirties every single dish, bowl and
>>> utensil. Not only is the meal served very late but it's always a
>>> massive cleanup for me later...usually the next morning. sigh
>>
>> I believe it. No knife can be used for more than one cutting job.
>> Sometimes they also need their own cutting boards. Measuring spoons can
>> only be used for one thing, and for some reason they think it is easier to
>> use both sets of nesting measuring cups instead of using one measuring cup
>> and gauging amounts against the lines on the side. When a stainless bowl
>> is needed the nesting set is brought out and the unused ones left on the
>> counter. They end up getting dirtied and have to be washed too. Then
>> there is the frustration about their not being enough counter space
>> because of all the used and unused utensils sitting on it. Then there are
>> the spoons and forks used for cooking. Like the knives, none can be used
>> for more than one thing.
>>
>> Here is a prime example..... making salmon salad. She will open the
>> salmon and drain the liquid with a sieve. She gets a cutting board and a
>> knife for the onion. Now the knife is tainted with onion and cannot be
>> used for the celery, even though it will be mixed with the onion, so she
>> needs a second knife. She uses a fork to put the salmon into a bowl and
>> add the onion and celery and realizes the bowl is too small to combine
>> things without spilling, so she gets out another bowl. Of course that
>> means a rubber spatula to scrape out everything, and now we need a clean
>> spoon for the mayo, and another to spoon the salmon salad into the bread.
>> Once the sandwich is made she needs a another clean knife to cut it.
>>
>> I think my way is more efficient. I open the can and turn it on its side
>> to drain the liquid. While that is happening I use one knife to cut the
>> onion and celery. I get a big enough bowl for everything and use a fork
>> or spoon to get out a good dollop of mayo, then toss on the onion and
>> celery, stir it around, and then use the same utensil to get the salmon
>> from the can to the bowl and to stir it all together. Then use the same
>> spoon or fork to get it onto the bread. The knife used to the onion and
>> salad may or may not be wiped before cutting the sandwich.
>>
>> I don't have the patience to clean up after her cooking. I know it is
>> fair to clean if she cooks, but I get upset about having to wash 4-5 times
>> as many items. I balk at having to wash all 6 pieces of a nesting set
>> when only one of them was used, and to wash a half dozen knives when one
>> could have done all the jobs.
>
>She probably keeps lots of knives handy when you're in the kitchen. Smart
>lady.
>
>Cheri

Yeah but when is she going to use one??

On 09/04/2016 11:11 AM, dsi1 wrote:
> On Saturday, April 9, 2016 at 6:48:54 AM UTC-10, Dave Smith wrote:
>> On 2016-04-09 9:58 AM, jmcquown wrote:
>>> On 4/8/2016 6:14 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
>>>> On 2016-04-08 2:20 PM, sf wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Maybe electric cars will be what it takes to upgrade our system from
>>>>> 120v to 240v
>>>>> (snippage)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I don't see that happening any time soon because they are too many
>>>> houses wired for 120. I doubt they will go to the effort to convert
>>>> everything wired for all the old lights and appliances. They already
>>>> have a segment that is 240 for things like clothes dryers, stoves and
>>>> water pressure systems.
>>>
>>> Exactly right, Dave. When we lived in Thailand we had to use electrical
>>> transformers to "step down" the voltage for things like bedside lamps
>>> brought from the States.
>>
>>
>> With more than 320 million people in the US, all with lamps, radios,
>> TVs, microwaves, refrigerators, washing machines, radios, stereo
>> systems, computers etc. all running on 120, and having houses wired
>> for that voltage, the chances of a switchover to 240 are pretty much zero.
>
> Homes in the US are wired for 120V and 240V line voltage. The 240V lines are for electric ranges and clothes dryers. In the near future, it'll be used to charge the family car. Beats the hell out of me what the family with two or more cars will do.
>
They'll alternate, like the current!
Graham

On Saturday, April 9, 2016 at 7:28:15 AM UTC-10, carnal asada wrote:
> On 4/9/2016 11:11 AM, dsi1 wrote:
>
> > Homes in the US are wired for 120V and 240V line voltage. The 240V lines are for electric ranges and clothes
> > dryers. In the near future, it'll be used to charge the family car. Beats the hell out of me what the family
> > with two or more cars will do.
> >
> Use alternating charge cycles?

There will be a scramble for that single power line alright. OTOH, my guess is that in 30 or so years, most people will not own cars. If they need a ride, they'll summon a car with their phone or watch or implanted device and a car will pick up and drop them off at their destination. They will find it hard to believe that people used to drive manually and often died as a result.

On Saturday, April 9, 2016 at 7:47:06 AM UTC-10, graham wrote:
> On 09/04/2016 11:11 AM, dsi1 wrote:
> > On Saturday, April 9, 2016 at 6:48:54 AM UTC-10, Dave Smith wrote:
> >> On 2016-04-09 9:58 AM, jmcquown wrote:
> >>> On 4/8/2016 6:14 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
> >>>> On 2016-04-08 2:20 PM, sf wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> Maybe electric cars will be what it takes to upgrade our system from
> >>>>> 120v to 240v
> >>>>> (snippage)
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> I don't see that happening any time soon because they are too many
> >>>> houses wired for 120. I doubt they will go to the effort to convert
> >>>> everything wired for all the old lights and appliances. They already
> >>>> have a segment that is 240 for things like clothes dryers, stoves and
> >>>> water pressure systems.
> >>>
> >>> Exactly right, Dave. When we lived in Thailand we had to use electrical
> >>> transformers to "step down" the voltage for things like bedside lamps
> >>> brought from the States.
> >>
> >>
> >> With more than 320 million people in the US, all with lamps, radios,
> >> TVs, microwaves, refrigerators, washing machines, radios, stereo
> >> systems, computers etc. all running on 120, and having houses wired
> >> for that voltage, the chances of a switchover to 240 are pretty much zero.
> >
> > Homes in the US are wired for 120V and 240V line voltage. The 240V lines are for electric ranges and clothes dryers. In the near future, it'll be used to charge the family car. Beats the hell out of me what the family with two or more cars will do.
> >
> They'll alternate, like the current!
> Graham

My guess is that they'll initially have two lines - one for fast charging and one for regular. Rest assured that people will be killed over the fight for the fast line. Few families are so well adjusted that they'll alternate smoothly.

On 4/9/2016 12:00 PM, dsi1 wrote:
> On Saturday, April 9, 2016 at 7:28:15 AM UTC-10, carnal asada wrote:
>> On 4/9/2016 11:11 AM, dsi1 wrote:
>>
>>> Homes in the US are wired for 120V and 240V line voltage. The 240V lines are for electric ranges and clothes
>>> dryers. In the near future, it'll be used to charge the family car. Beats the hell out of me what the family
>>> with two or more cars will do.
>>>
>> Use alternating charge cycles?
>
> There will be a scramble for that single power line alright. OTOH, my guess is that in 30 or so years, most
> people will not own cars. If they need a ride, they'll summon a car with their phone or watch or implanted
> device and a car will pick up and drop them off at their destination. They will find it hard to believe that
> people used to drive manually and often died as a result.
>
Like this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vrxy...&nohtml5=False

Hitching a ride will be dangerous!

On 2016-04-09 12:40 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

>> All I need/want is a car that gets me from point A to point B and back.
>> And yes, it must have AC. <G>
>>
>> Jill
>
> You need a sports car or convertible to accommodate your second
> childhood. Next time you see a group of motorcycles riders with long
> hair and beards, check the average age there too.

When you see a motorcycle around here, there is about a 25 % chance that
the rider is under 30 and about 75% chance he is over 50.


I am puzzled about the prevalence of motorcycles in different regions.
For instance, when I was in southern California last fall, I saw more
Ferraris in one afternoon than I have seen around here in my life, but I
saw very few motorcycles. I mentioned about the lack of motorcycles to
someone at the wedding we attended but she said there were lots. I
don't know where they were hiding because I only saw a half dozen at
most. We had an exceptionally warm winter and I went out on a
motorcycle ride around the Niagara Peninsula with a friend on Christmas
Eve. My bike has usually been off the road for at least a month and a
half by that time. I saw more motorcycles on the road that day than I
did in a week and a half in CA, where it was about 50 degrees warmer.

On 2016-04-09 12:41 PM, graham wrote:
> On 09/04/2016 7:25 AM, Dave Smith wrote:

>> I use a rack. I wash the dishes and pots and pans and set them in the
>> rack to dry. I am working with small loads so it only takes a couple
>> minutes. It is a lot less hassle than filling a machine and then having
>> to unload it. ,.... IMO.
>>
>>
> Exactly! That's *your* opinion. I hate washing up and I use my DW pretty
> well exclusively.

Yep, it is my opinion. The way I figure is that if I do them a few at a
time and put them on the rack to dry the job is done, and in just a
couple minutes. I can grab them from the rack for my next meal.

> wrote in message
...
> On Sat, 9 Apr 2016 10:16:10 -0700, "Cheri" >
> wrote:
>
>>
>>"Dave Smith" > wrote in message
...
>>> On 2016-04-09 10:44 AM, Gary wrote:
>>>> Dave Smith wrote:
>>>
>>>>> Is my wife cooking in your kitchen? I can cook a meal and use only
>>>>> one
>>>>> knife, maybe two. When she cooks she uses at least 5, and no, I am not
>>>>> exaggerating.
>>>>
>>>> lol. Whenever my daughter cooks for me it's a disaster. She cooks a
>>>> fantastic meal but I swear she dirties every single dish, bowl and
>>>> utensil. Not only is the meal served very late but it's always a
>>>> massive cleanup for me later...usually the next morning. sigh
>>>
>>> I believe it. No knife can be used for more than one cutting job.
>>> Sometimes they also need their own cutting boards. Measuring spoons can
>>> only be used for one thing, and for some reason they think it is easier
>>> to
>>> use both sets of nesting measuring cups instead of using one measuring
>>> cup
>>> and gauging amounts against the lines on the side. When a stainless
>>> bowl
>>> is needed the nesting set is brought out and the unused ones left on the
>>> counter. They end up getting dirtied and have to be washed too. Then
>>> there is the frustration about their not being enough counter space
>>> because of all the used and unused utensils sitting on it. Then there
>>> are
>>> the spoons and forks used for cooking. Like the knives, none can be used
>>> for more than one thing.
>>>
>>> Here is a prime example..... making salmon salad. She will open the
>>> salmon and drain the liquid with a sieve. She gets a cutting board and a
>>> knife for the onion. Now the knife is tainted with onion and cannot be
>>> used for the celery, even though it will be mixed with the onion, so she
>>> needs a second knife. She uses a fork to put the salmon into a bowl and
>>> add the onion and celery and realizes the bowl is too small to combine
>>> things without spilling, so she gets out another bowl. Of course that
>>> means a rubber spatula to scrape out everything, and now we need a clean
>>> spoon for the mayo, and another to spoon the salmon salad into the
>>> bread.
>>> Once the sandwich is made she needs a another clean knife to cut it.
>>>
>>> I think my way is more efficient. I open the can and turn it on its side
>>> to drain the liquid. While that is happening I use one knife to cut the
>>> onion and celery. I get a big enough bowl for everything and use a fork
>>> or spoon to get out a good dollop of mayo, then toss on the onion and
>>> celery, stir it around, and then use the same utensil to get the salmon
>>> from the can to the bowl and to stir it all together. Then use the same
>>> spoon or fork to get it onto the bread. The knife used to the onion and
>>> salad may or may not be wiped before cutting the sandwich.
>>>
>>> I don't have the patience to clean up after her cooking. I know it is
>>> fair to clean if she cooks, but I get upset about having to wash 4-5
>>> times
>>> as many items. I balk at having to wash all 6 pieces of a nesting set
>>> when only one of them was used, and to wash a half dozen knives when one
>>> could have done all the jobs.
>>
>>She probably keeps lots of knives handy when you're in the kitchen. Smart
>>lady.
>>
>>Cheri
>
> Yeah but when is she going to use one??

LOL, looks like soon if he keeps up the criticism. ;-)

Cheri

On 2016-04-09 2:05 PM, dsi1 wrote:
> On Saturday, April 9, 2016 at 7:47:06 AM UTC-10, graham wrote:

>> They'll alternate, like the current! Graham
>
> My guess is that they'll initially have two lines - one for fast
> charging and one for regular. Rest assured that people will be killed
> over the fight for the fast line. Few families are so well adjusted
> that they'll alternate smoothly.
>


They may start stealing power or using unsafe connections. Grow ops
around here tend to bypass meters to avoid the cost of the electricity
they use and to try to avoid detection from the large amounts of power
they use. When electricity rates get high enough, thanks to the increase
demand for transportation, they will find ways to get illegal discounts.

On 4/9/2016 12:50 PM, Cheri wrote:

>>> She probably keeps lots of knives handy when you're in the kitchen.
>>> Smart
>>> lady.
>>>
>>> Cheri
>>
>> Yeah but when is she going to use one??
>
> LOL, looks like soon if he keeps up the criticism. ;-)
>
> Cheri

I wish to put in a recommendation for the filet knife.

Some prime tenderloins to be had on that big old bully...

;_)

On Sat, 9 Apr 2016 10:11:36 -0700 (PDT), dsi1 >
wrote:

> Homes in the US are wired for 120V and 240V line voltage. The 240V lines are for electric ranges and clothes dryers. In the near future, it'll be used to charge the family car. Beats the hell out of me what the family with two or more cars will do.


Dare I ask why?

On Sat, 9 Apr 2016 11:00:28 -0700 (PDT), dsi1 >
wrote:

>On Saturday, April 9, 2016 at 7:28:15 AM UTC-10, carnal asada wrote:
>> On 4/9/2016 11:11 AM, dsi1 wrote:
>>
>> > Homes in the US are wired for 120V and 240V line voltage. The 240V lines are for electric ranges and clothes
>> > dryers. In the near future, it'll be used to charge the family car. Beats the hell out of me what the family
>> > with two or more cars will do.
>> >
>> Use alternating charge cycles?
>
> There will be a scramble for that single power line alright.

Why could there only be one outlet?

"Cheri" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Dave Smith" > wrote in message
> ...
>> On 2016-04-09 10:44 AM, Gary wrote:
>>> Dave Smith wrote:
>>
>>>> Is my wife cooking in your kitchen? I can cook a meal and use only one
>>>> knife, maybe two. When she cooks she uses at least 5, and no, I am not
>>>> exaggerating.
>>>
>>> lol. Whenever my daughter cooks for me it's a disaster. She cooks a
>>> fantastic meal but I swear she dirties every single dish, bowl and
>>> utensil. Not only is the meal served very late but it's always a
>>> massive cleanup for me later...usually the next morning. sigh
>>
>> I believe it. No knife can be used for more than one cutting job.
>> Sometimes they also need their own cutting boards. Measuring spoons can
>> only be used for one thing, and for some reason they think it is easier
>> to use both sets of nesting measuring cups instead of using one measuring
>> cup and gauging amounts against the lines on the side. When a stainless
>> bowl is needed the nesting set is brought out and the unused ones left on
>> the counter. They end up getting dirtied and have to be washed too. Then
>> there is the frustration about their not being enough counter space
>> because of all the used and unused utensils sitting on it. Then there are
>> the spoons and forks used for cooking. Like the knives, none can be used
>> for more than one thing.
>>
>> Here is a prime example..... making salmon salad. She will open the
>> salmon and drain the liquid with a sieve. She gets a cutting board and a
>> knife for the onion. Now the knife is tainted with onion and cannot be
>> used for the celery, even though it will be mixed with the onion, so she
>> needs a second knife. She uses a fork to put the salmon into a bowl and
>> add the onion and celery and realizes the bowl is too small to combine
>> things without spilling, so she gets out another bowl. Of course that
>> means a rubber spatula to scrape out everything, and now we need a clean
>> spoon for the mayo, and another to spoon the salmon salad into the bread.
>> Once the sandwich is made she needs a another clean knife to cut it.
>>
>> I think my way is more efficient. I open the can and turn it on its side
>> to drain the liquid. While that is happening I use one knife to cut the
>> onion and celery. I get a big enough bowl for everything and use a fork
>> or spoon to get out a good dollop of mayo, then toss on the onion and
>> celery, stir it around, and then use the same utensil to get the salmon
>> from the can to the bowl and to stir it all together. Then use the same
>> spoon or fork to get it onto the bread. The knife used to the onion and
>> salad may or may not be wiped before cutting the sandwich.
>>
>> I don't have the patience to clean up after her cooking. I know it is
>> fair to clean if she cooks, but I get upset about having to wash 4-5
>> times as many items. I balk at having to wash all 6 pieces of a nesting
>> set when only one of them was used, and to wash a half dozen knives when
>> one could have done all the jobs.
>
> She probably keeps lots of knives handy when you're in the kitchen. Smart
> lady.

lol


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On Sat, 9 Apr 2016 11:53:23 -0400, jmcquown >
wrote:

>Fun "facts", Ed. My occasional (seasonal) neighbor across the street
>owns five cars. I can't for the life of me imagine owning five cars.

I can and do. It's remarkably easy, actually

On Saturday, April 9, 2016 at 8:56:13 AM UTC-10, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2016-04-09 2:05 PM, dsi1 wrote:
> > On Saturday, April 9, 2016 at 7:47:06 AM UTC-10, graham wrote:
>
> >> They'll alternate, like the current! Graham
> >
> > My guess is that they'll initially have two lines - one for fast
> > charging and one for regular. Rest assured that people will be killed
> > over the fight for the fast line. Few families are so well adjusted
> > that they'll alternate smoothly.
> >
>
>
> They may start stealing power or using unsafe connections. Grow ops
> around here tend to bypass meters to avoid the cost of the electricity
> they use and to try to avoid detection from the large amounts of power
> they use. When electricity rates get high enough, thanks to the increase
> demand for transportation, they will find ways to get illegal discounts.

A barrel of oil can be made into gasoline or be used to generate electricity. My guess is that generating electricity with oil to power a car is going to be a lot more efficient than turning the oil into gasoline and using the gas to run a car. The net power consumption will be lower. That's a good thing. My guess is that we won't be generating electricity with oil and other fossil fuels. A big part will be generated by nukes. As I see it, we have no choice in the matter.

On Saturday, April 9, 2016 at 9:39:46 AM UTC-10, Jeßus wrote:
> On Sat, 9 Apr 2016 11:00:28 -0700 (PDT), dsi1 <dsi1>
> wrote:
>
> >On Saturday, April 9, 2016 at 7:28:15 AM UTC-10, carnal asada wrote:
> >> On 4/9/2016 11:11 AM, dsi1 wrote:
> >>
> >> > Homes in the US are wired for 120V and 240V line voltage. The 240V lines are for electric ranges and clothes
> >> > dryers. In the near future, it'll be used to charge the family car. Beats the hell out of me what the family
> >> > with two or more cars will do.
> >> >
> >> Use alternating charge cycles?
> >
> > There will be a scramble for that single power line alright.
>
> Why could there only be one outlet?

No doubt there will be. At the start, few people will have even a single 240V line.

On Sat, 09 Apr 2016 09:37:31 +1000, Bruce > wrote:

>On Sat, 09 Apr 2016 09:01:46 +1000, Jeßus > wrote:
>
>>Yeah, which illustrates my point about the current situation suiting
>>them perfectly. Whether they are in government or opposition, they're
>>all on a big nice gravy train, merrily networking together to retire
>>as millionaires, with extra benefits on top of that too. From their
>>POV, they would be crazy to want to change anything. Know any long
>>term Australian career politicians that are *not* millionaires?
>
>Even though Dutch politics are different from Australian, these
>principles are the same. They've created a world that allows them to
>have cushiony jobs and enrich hemselves. That's their priority. It's
>probably the same everywhere.

Just about, yes.

>>As for '2 big ones'... clearly you can't count, as there are actually
>>3 these days
>
>No, I stick with 2 for the time being. The 2 that get all the coverage
>on ABC24. "We're interrupting our news coverage because the opposition
>leader is speaking to the media at a parking lot in Melbourne." Why?
>Who on earth wants to listen to that?

I've often wondered that myself.

On Sat, 9 Apr 2016 09:31:26 -0400, Dave Smith
> wrote:


>Is my wife cooking in your kitchen? I can cook a meal and use only one
>knife, maybe two. When she cooks she uses at least 5, and no, I am not
>exaggerating.

LOL. I had a g/f like that, she was a decent cook but would find a way
to use everything in the kitchen, even just to boil an egg.

On 2016-04-09 3:45 PM, dsi1 wrote:
> On Saturday, April 9, 2016 at 8:56:13 AM UTC-10, Dave Smith wrote:
>> On 2016-04-09 2:05 PM, dsi1 wrote:
>>> On Saturday, April 9, 2016 at 7:47:06 AM UTC-10, graham wrote:
>>
>>>> They'll alternate, like the current! Graham
>>>
>>> My guess is that they'll initially have two lines - one for fast
>>> charging and one for regular. Rest assured that people will be
>>> killed over the fight for the fast line. Few families are so well
>>> adjusted that they'll alternate smoothly.
>>>
>>
>>
>> They may start stealing power or using unsafe connections. Grow
>> ops around here tend to bypass meters to avoid the cost of the
>> electricity they use and to try to avoid detection from the large
>> amounts of power they use. When electricity rates get high enough,
>> thanks to the increase demand for transportation, they will find
>> ways to get illegal discounts.
>
> A barrel of oil can be made into gasoline or be used to generate
> electricity. My guess is that generating electricity with oil to
> power a car is going to be a lot more efficient than turning the oil
> into gasoline and using the gas to run a car. The net power
> consumption will be lower. That's a good thing. My guess is that we
> won't be generating electricity with oil and other fossil fuels. A
> big part will be generated by nukes. As I see it, we have no choice
> in the matter.
>


They don't made crude oil into gasoline. It is one of the many
components in crude and it is separated by a distillation process. Of
course, that takes energy. When you burn gasoline or other fuels to
generate electricity there is some energy wasted in the process. The
whole idea of using more electricity and less petroleum it to reduce the
amount of carbon into the atmosphere.

Nuclear is one way to produce a lot of electricity, but reactors are
very expensive to build and maintain and there are safety concerns. Of
even more concern is dealing with the waste.

On Sat, 9 Apr 2016 11:50:15 -0700, "Cheri" >
wrote:

>
> wrote in message
.. .
>> On Sat, 9 Apr 2016 10:16:10 -0700, "Cheri" >
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>"Dave Smith" > wrote in message
...
>>>> On 2016-04-09 10:44 AM, Gary wrote:
>>>>> Dave Smith wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>> Is my wife cooking in your kitchen? I can cook a meal and use only
>>>>>> one
>>>>>> knife, maybe two. When she cooks she uses at least 5, and no, I am not
>>>>>> exaggerating.
>>>>>
>>>>> lol. Whenever my daughter cooks for me it's a disaster. She cooks a
>>>>> fantastic meal but I swear she dirties every single dish, bowl and
>>>>> utensil. Not only is the meal served very late but it's always a
>>>>> massive cleanup for me later...usually the next morning. sigh
>>>>
>>>> I believe it. No knife can be used for more than one cutting job.
>>>> Sometimes they also need their own cutting boards. Measuring spoons can
>>>> only be used for one thing, and for some reason they think it is easier
>>>> to
>>>> use both sets of nesting measuring cups instead of using one measuring
>>>> cup
>>>> and gauging amounts against the lines on the side. When a stainless
>>>> bowl
>>>> is needed the nesting set is brought out and the unused ones left on the
>>>> counter. They end up getting dirtied and have to be washed too. Then
>>>> there is the frustration about their not being enough counter space
>>>> because of all the used and unused utensils sitting on it. Then there
>>>> are
>>>> the spoons and forks used for cooking. Like the knives, none can be used
>>>> for more than one thing.
>>>>
>>>> Here is a prime example..... making salmon salad. She will open the
>>>> salmon and drain the liquid with a sieve. She gets a cutting board and a
>>>> knife for the onion. Now the knife is tainted with onion and cannot be
>>>> used for the celery, even though it will be mixed with the onion, so she
>>>> needs a second knife. She uses a fork to put the salmon into a bowl and
>>>> add the onion and celery and realizes the bowl is too small to combine
>>>> things without spilling, so she gets out another bowl. Of course that
>>>> means a rubber spatula to scrape out everything, and now we need a clean
>>>> spoon for the mayo, and another to spoon the salmon salad into the
>>>> bread.
>>>> Once the sandwich is made she needs a another clean knife to cut it.
>>>>
>>>> I think my way is more efficient. I open the can and turn it on its side
>>>> to drain the liquid. While that is happening I use one knife to cut the
>>>> onion and celery. I get a big enough bowl for everything and use a fork
>>>> or spoon to get out a good dollop of mayo, then toss on the onion and
>>>> celery, stir it around, and then use the same utensil to get the salmon
>>>> from the can to the bowl and to stir it all together. Then use the same
>>>> spoon or fork to get it onto the bread. The knife used to the onion and
>>>> salad may or may not be wiped before cutting the sandwich.
>>>>
>>>> I don't have the patience to clean up after her cooking. I know it is
>>>> fair to clean if she cooks, but I get upset about having to wash 4-5
>>>> times
>>>> as many items. I balk at having to wash all 6 pieces of a nesting set
>>>> when only one of them was used, and to wash a half dozen knives when one
>>>> could have done all the jobs.
>>>
>>>She probably keeps lots of knives handy when you're in the kitchen. Smart
>>>lady.
>>>
>>>Cheri
>>
>> Yeah but when is she going to use one??
>
>LOL, looks like soon if he keeps up the criticism. ;-)
>
>Cheri

I would have had the knife out long ago

On Sat, 9 Apr 2016 12:48:07 -0700 (PDT), dsi1 >
wrote:

>On Saturday, April 9, 2016 at 9:39:46 AM UTC-10, Jeßus wrote:
>> On Sat, 9 Apr 2016 11:00:28 -0700 (PDT), dsi1 <dsi1>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >On Saturday, April 9, 2016 at 7:28:15 AM UTC-10, carnal asada wrote:
>> >> On 4/9/2016 11:11 AM, dsi1 wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > Homes in the US are wired for 120V and 240V line voltage. The 240V lines are for electric ranges and clothes
>> >> > dryers. In the near future, it'll be used to charge the family car. Beats the hell out of me what the family
>> >> > with two or more cars will do.
>> >> >
>> >> Use alternating charge cycles?
>> >
>> > There will be a scramble for that single power line alright.
>>
>> Why could there only be one outlet?
>
>No doubt there will be. At the start, few people will have even a single 240V line.

Safe to say, I think all Australians would have a 240V line.

On Sat, 9 Apr 2016 12:45:11 -0700 (PDT), dsi1 >
wrote:

> My guess is that generating electricity with oil to power a car is going to be a lot more efficient than turning the oil into gasoline and using the gas to run a car. The net power consumption will be lower.

Maybe... there are also significant losses in converting oil to fuel
(as with diesel/petroleum). but also fuel to electricity, line losses,
etc.



> That's a good thing. My guess is that we won't be generating electricity with oil and other fossil fuels. A big part will be generated by nukes. As I see it, we have no choice in the matter.

LOL. 'No choice in the matter'... So all these solar powered
generating plants around the world are all for nothing then?

On 4/9/2016 1:48 PM, dsi1 wrote:

>>> There will be a scramble for that single power line alright.
>>
>> Why could there only be one outlet?
>
> No doubt there will be. At the start, few people will have even a single 240V line.
>

Fighting with the clothes dryer for preference...this could get messy...

On Sat, 9 Apr 2016 15:56:15 -0400, Dave Smith
> wrote:

>Nuclear is one way to produce a lot of electricity, but reactors are
>very expensive to build and maintain and there are safety concerns. Of
>even more concern is dealing with the waste.

The ability to both safely store waste and the reactor technology
itself is still woefully inadequate.