On Fri, 8 Apr 2016 19:38:37 -0400, Nancy Young
> wrote:

>On 4/8/2016 4:06 PM, wrote:
>> On Fri, 8 Apr 2016 16:04:19 -0400, Nancy Young
>> > wrote:
>
>>> I read recently that rinsing your dishes before putting
>>> them into the dishwasher could backfire ... newer machines check
>>> how dirty the first rinse is to determine the length of the
>>> cleaning cycle. If the water appears to be pretty clean, it'll
>>> be a short wash.
>
>> There will be a claim soon that dishwashers are going to take over the
>> kitchen I don't mind, so long as they are good cooks
>
>My dishwasher is free to take over anything it thinks it can
>handle. Someone, invent a waterproof container that sits on
>the rack and can produce a nice pot roast during the wash cycle.
>
>nancy

There was a craze several years ago for cooking salmon in the
dishwasher, not along with the dishes of course!

On 2016-04-08 7:26 PM, Cheryl wrote:
> On 4/2/2016 11:50 AM, jmcquown wrote:
>
>> The countertop microwave I had before I moved here had a turntable. I
>> wanted the option to turn it OFF!
>>
>> I have successfully made lasagna in a multi-powered microwave (circa
>> 1986). Turntable? No thanks. Not unless you can turn it off.
>
> I've never thought about why I wouldn't want the turntable but I will
> now. My microwave oven's turntable is just set on top of a small
> spinning gear-like thing and can be easily removed if I don't want to
> use it.
>
You could put some plastic blocks under the plate so it sits about the
shaft that turns it.

On 4/8/2016 9:25 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>>
>
> I've seen a couple of restaurants that have free to use chargers for
> electrics. I'm sure the idea is to have the car owner spend money
> eating and drinking while getting a free charge. They never put gas in
> my car while dining though. Seems a bit unfair, but that's marketing.

The first public venue where I saw car chargers was a Wolftrap in VA.
Ironically they got very good parking spaces. Better even than
handicapped parking.

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On 4/8/2016 1:26 PM, Cheryl wrote:
> On 4/2/2016 11:50 AM, jmcquown wrote:
>
>> The countertop microwave I had before I moved here had a turntable. I
>> wanted the option to turn it OFF!
>>
>> I have successfully made lasagna in a multi-powered microwave (circa
>> 1986). Turntable? No thanks. Not unless you can turn it off.
>
> I've never thought about why I wouldn't want the turntable but I will
> now. My microwave oven's turntable is just set on top of a small
> spinning gear-like thing and can be easily removed if I don't want to
> use it.
>

The turntable is there because there are hotspots and coldspots in the
oven. All ovens have paddles that scramble the microwaves emitted by the
magnetron but that's not sufficient for even cooking. Part of the
problem is that the chamber is square and too small. A large oven with a
spherical chamber would work better but that's impractical. Constantly
moving the food being cooked is a very practical solution.

On Sat, 9 Apr 2016 00:38:48 +0100, Janet > wrote:

>In article >, says...
>>
snip
>> Since 2001, the president has earned a $400,000 annual salary, along
>> with a $50,000 annual expense account, a $100,000 nontaxable travel
>> account, and $19,000 for entertainment.[79][80] The most recent raise in
>> salary was approved by Congress and President Bill Clinton in 1999 and
>> went into effect in 2001.
>
> You're confusing his salary with what the taxpayer pays to support
>Presidential expenses (reputedly 1.4 billion USD a year)
>>
>>
>> Your royals cost HOW much?
>>
>> Well - let's look at the stats.
>>
>> The annual report states that the monarchy costs the UK approximately
>> £35.7 million.
>
> That is the Sovereign Grant, paid by parliament to the Queen to fince
>her public duties. The Sovereign Grant represents 15 % of the profit
>from the Crown Estate. Don't be fooled by the name, the Crown Estate
>does not belong to the monarch/royal family.
>
> The Crown Estate is one of the largest property owners in the United
>Kingdom, producing £211 million for the Treasury in the financial year
>2007?8 and with holdings of £7.3 billion in 2011. The Crown Estate is
>not the private property of the Monarch. It cannot be sold or owned by
>the Sovereign in a private capacity, nor do any revenues, or debts, from
>the estate accrue to her. Instead the Crown Estate is owned by the
>Crown, a corporation representing the legal embodiment of the State. It
>is held in trust and governed by Act of Parliament, to which it makes an
>annual report. Revenue from the Crown Estate is thought to be due to
>double in real terms in the period to 2020.
>
> Janet UK
>
If Trump becomes president we will also have to cover the cost of
several on-staff, on-call beauticians and hair stylists for him
Janet US

On 08/04/2016 4:04 PM, Janet wrote:
> In article >,
> says...
>>
>> On Fri, 8 Apr 2016 13:17:48 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> I've read that he has done a lot of good work with farmers and
>>> conservation though. Of course, there will be critics no matter what a
>>> person in that type of position does, deserved or not.
>>
>> Agree. I've read very positive reviews of what he has done. I
>> thought he was very involved in the day to day running of the family
>> farming. Maybe not. I only know being a gentleman farmer is more
>> work than you or I may think.
>
> "Family farming"? There are many tenant farmers in the Duchy of
> Cornwall. They do the work on their farms; their rent is paid to the
> Duchy and funds his lifestyle. In 2012 his income from Duchy land was
> £18 million
> on which he does not pay tax. His private home in Gloucestershire has a
> farm within the estate, run by a manager and staff; he's no more
> involved in the day to day work on the farm than he is in doing the
> housework in his home.
>
> Janet UK
>
Doesn't his valet put the toothpaste on his toothbrush?

On Sat, 09 Apr 2016 13:06:47 +1000, Bruce > wrote:

>On Fri, 8 Apr 2016 21:00:42 -0600, graham > wrote:
>>On 08/04/2016 4:04 PM, Janet wrote:
>>> "Family farming"? There are many tenant farmers in the Duchy of
>>> Cornwall. They do the work on their farms; their rent is paid to the
>>> Duchy and funds his lifestyle. In 2012 his income from Duchy land was
>>> £18 million
>>> on which he does not pay tax. His private home in Gloucestershire has a
>>> farm within the estate, run by a manager and staff; he's no more
>>> involved in the day to day work on the farm than he is in doing the
>>> housework in his home.
>>>
>>Doesn't his valet put the toothpaste on his toothbrush?
>
>I read that the valet also brushes his teeth. A second valet keeps his
>lips apart.

I wonder if Mick Jagger also has a lip valet.
My guess is he would have very large biceps.

On Sat, 09 Apr 2016 10:54:23 +1000, Bruce > wrote:

> On Fri, 08 Apr 2016 18:49:13 -0600, Janet B >
> wrote:
>
> >If Trump becomes president we will also have to cover the cost of
> >several on-staff, on-call beauticians and hair stylists for him
>
> I don't get the impression they're very expensive.

Your impression would be wrong.

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On Fri, 8 Apr 2016 18:14:55 -0400, Dave Smith
> wrote:

> On 2016-04-08 2:20 PM, sf wrote:
>
> > Maybe electric cars will be what it takes to upgrade our system from
> > 120v to 240v because a recharge can take up to 20 hours on 120 volts,
> > between 4-8 on 240 volts with a charging station, and only 30 min at a
> > supercharging station. The bad news about superchargers is they only
> > charge up to 80% quickly, but then charging slows down to a trickle -
> > so either you wait practically forever to get to 100% or else you've
> > lost range if you just want to get going. Better to fill up with gas
> > for long distances when stations are few and far between.
> >
>
>
> I don't see that happening any time soon because they are too many
> houses wired for 120. I doubt they will go to the effort to convert
> everything wired for all the old lights and appliances. They already
> have a segment that is 240 for things like clothes dryers, stoves and
> water pressure systems.

I want a super-duper electric tea kettle - so there!

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"Jeßus" > wrote in message
...
> On Fri, 8 Apr 2016 21:48:31 +0100, "Ophelia" >
> wrote:
>
>>"Jeßus" > wrote in message
. ..
>>> On Fri, 8 Apr 2016 09:06:13 +0100, "Ophelia" >
>>> wrote:
>>>>"Jeßus" > wrote in message
>>>>news >>>>> On Fri, 08 Apr 2016 08:32:54 +1000, Bruce > wrote:
>>>>>>On Fri, 08 Apr 2016 07:23:54 +1000, Jeßus > wrote:
>>>>>>>On Fri, 08 Apr 2016 05:24:10 +1000, Bruce >
>>>>>>>wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Yes, time for a beer sounds more contemporary.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Or, since we're talking
>>>>>>about Australians, time for a joint
>>>>>
>>>>> Yes. A joint or a cone, along with the beer.
>>>>
>>>>Cone?
>>>
>>> It's part of the paraphanalia for smoking cannabis, or at least one
>>> way to do so.
>>
>>Thanks. Is not cannabis a joint?
>
> Yes it is, a joint is just one way of smoking cannabis.
> A cone or cone piece is the receptacle for cannabis that is smoked in
> a bong or water pipe... hope that clears that up a bit better.

Thank you. I can't say I understand too well, but well enough)

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On Fri, 8 Apr 2016 14:40:48 -0600, carnal asada > wrote:

> On 4/8/2016 12:29 PM, Brooklyn1 wrote:
>
> >> I like that we have individual climate control knobs for each side
> >> these days. Haven't felt the need to turn the heat on my feet now
> >> that I mainly wear pants and athletic shoes, but I sure needed it back
> >> in the days of skirts and hosiery. It was a constant argument because
> >> nothing was separate, so when I turned the heat from my torso to my
> >> feet (because that's what was cold), my husband would complain
> >> bitterly that his feet were too hot. Those days are over now, TG.
> >
> > Why would anyone driving in SF even need heat in a car???
>
> It gets chilly, real damp chilly.
>

He must think SF is like Hawaii.

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On Fri, 8 Apr 2016 18:19:46 -0400, Dave Smith
> wrote:

> On 2016-04-08 2:29 PM, Brooklyn1 wrote:
>
> > Why would anyone driving in SF even need heat in a car???
> > You two must be a couple of tomato juice blood wusses.
> > http://www.sftodo.com/sanfranciscoweather.html
> >
>
> I was chilly in SF when I was there. To be perfectly honest, if it were
> to have got to 50-60 F here today I would have been thrilled and would
> be driving around with the windows open. When I was in SF last fall I
> had made to stops on the way from Monterey. It had been round 100F in
> Monterey and Elkorn Slough and then it was about 104 in Big Basin where
> there were huge redwood forests. It was about two hours from there to
> SF and the and about 50 degrees colder.. and damp.

Dressing in layers is the only way to enjoy SF, because the
temperature (and fog situation) can change drastically depending on
the time of day and which area you are around the City. My house is
on the foggy side of town.

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On Fri, 8 Apr 2016 16:04:19 -0400, Nancy Young
> wrote:

> On 4/8/2016 9:36 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> > On 4/8/2016 7:23 AM, wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> The virtue of hand washing dishes escapes me. I use the regular cycle
> >> and never rinse anything before shoving in the dishwasher - I put the
> >> pots and pans in too, the glass turntable from the microwave, oven
> >> racks when cleaning the oven, it all comes out far better than I would
> >> have done. I don't use the drying/heating cycle at all, they air dry
> >> nicely. It's a very quiet dishwasher, my daughter had the same one
> >> and I liked that aspect of it so bought it when I moved here. Not
> >> expensive, a non elaborate Frigidaire.
>
> > I dunno, seems some people do more handwork so the machine does not have
> > to work as hard. I bought the machine se we don't have to work as hard.
> > I pushed the button after adding my breakfast dishes and when I get
> > home it will all be done. I don't care how long it takes, the dishes
> > will be very clean.
>
> I read recently that rinsing your dishes before putting
> them into the dishwasher could backfire ... newer machines check
> how dirty the first rinse is to determine the length of the
> cleaning cycle. If the water appears to be pretty clean, it'll
> be a short wash.
>

I haven't heard that. What brand? I'll keep it in mind when we shop
for a dishwasher next time.


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"dsi1" > wrote in message ...
> On 4/8/2016 1:26 PM, Cheryl wrote:
>> On 4/2/2016 11:50 AM, jmcquown wrote:
>>
>>> The countertop microwave I had before I moved here had a turntable. I
>>> wanted the option to turn it OFF!
>>>
>>> I have successfully made lasagna in a multi-powered microwave (circa
>>> 1986). Turntable? No thanks. Not unless you can turn it off.
>>
>> I've never thought about why I wouldn't want the turntable but I will
>> now. My microwave oven's turntable is just set on top of a small
>> spinning gear-like thing and can be easily removed if I don't want to
>> use it.
>>
>
> The turntable is there because there are hotspots and coldspots in the
> oven. All ovens have paddles that scramble the microwaves emitted by the
> magnetron but that's not sufficient for even cooking. Part of the problem
> is that the chamber is square and too small. A large oven with a spherical
> chamber would work better but that's impractical. Constantly moving the
> food being cooked is a very practical solution.

A later model of mine has no turntable and has shelves




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"graham" > wrote in message
...
> On 08/04/2016 4:04 PM, Janet wrote:
>> In article >,
>> says...
>>>
>>> On Fri, 8 Apr 2016 13:17:48 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> I've read that he has done a lot of good work with farmers and
>>>> conservation though. Of course, there will be critics no matter what a
>>>> person in that type of position does, deserved or not.
>>>
>>> Agree. I've read very positive reviews of what he has done. I
>>> thought he was very involved in the day to day running of the family
>>> farming. Maybe not. I only know being a gentleman farmer is more
>>> work than you or I may think.
>>
>> "Family farming"? There are many tenant farmers in the Duchy of
>> Cornwall. They do the work on their farms; their rent is paid to the
>> Duchy and funds his lifestyle. In 2012 his income from Duchy land was
>> £18 million
>> on which he does not pay tax. His private home in Gloucestershire has a
>> farm within the estate, run by a manager and staff; he's no more
>> involved in the day to day work on the farm than he is in doing the
>> housework in his home.
>>
>> Janet UK
>>
> Doesn't his valet put the toothpaste on his toothbrush?

And is it grilled or baked?

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"sf" > wrote in message
...
> On Fri, 8 Apr 2016 18:19:46 -0400, Dave Smith
> > wrote:
>
>> On 2016-04-08 2:29 PM, Brooklyn1 wrote:
>>
>> > Why would anyone driving in SF even need heat in a car???
>> > You two must be a couple of tomato juice blood wusses.
>> > http://www.sftodo.com/sanfranciscoweather.html
>> >
>>
>> I was chilly in SF when I was there. To be perfectly honest, if it were
>> to have got to 50-60 F here today I would have been thrilled and would
>> be driving around with the windows open. When I was in SF last fall I
>> had made to stops on the way from Monterey. It had been round 100F in
>> Monterey and Elkorn Slough and then it was about 104 in Big Basin where
>> there were huge redwood forests. It was about two hours from there to
>> SF and the and about 50 degrees colder.. and damp.
>
> Dressing in layers is the only way to enjoy SF, because the
> temperature (and fog situation) can change drastically depending on
> the time of day and which area you are around the City. My house is
> on the foggy side of town.

When I lived in Alameda, I don't recall ever turning on the heat in my
house. I wore short or 3/4 sleeves year round but did have a lightweight
shirt jacket that I needed on occasion when I was outside.

But when we went to SF, I learned to bring at least a sweatshirt with me as
it could get colder there.

On Friday, April 8, 2016 at 6:25:20 PM UTC-4, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2016-04-08 4:06 PM, wrote:
>
> > There will be a claim soon that dishwashers are going to take over the
> > kitchen I don't mind, so long as they are good cooks
>
>
>
> I will start using the dishwasher more often when they start loading and
> unloading themselves.

Do you use a dishpan and a dish rack? The former has to be loaded and
the latter has to be unloaded. Or is it the bending down to load things
in the bottom rack of the dishwasher that gets you?

Cindy Hamilton

On Friday, April 8, 2016 at 7:26:30 PM UTC-4, Cheryl wrote:
> On 4/2/2016 11:50 AM, jmcquown wrote:
>
> > The countertop microwave I had before I moved here had a turntable. I
> > wanted the option to turn it OFF!
> >
> > I have successfully made lasagna in a multi-powered microwave (circa
> > 1986). Turntable? No thanks. Not unless you can turn it off.
>
> I've never thought about why I wouldn't want the turntable but I will
> now. My microwave oven's turntable is just set on top of a small
> spinning gear-like thing and can be easily removed if I don't want to
> use it.

Mine has a button to disable the turntable. IIRC I bought the thing
less than 10 years ago.

Cindy Hamilton

Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>
> On Friday, April 8, 2016 at 7:26:30 PM UTC-4, Cheryl wrote:
> > On 4/2/2016 11:50 AM, jmcquown wrote:
> >
> > > The countertop microwave I had before I moved here had a turntable. I
> > > wanted the option to turn it OFF!
> > >
> > > I have successfully made lasagna in a multi-powered microwave (circa
> > > 1986). Turntable? No thanks. Not unless you can turn it off.
> >
> > I've never thought about why I wouldn't want the turntable but I will
> > now. My microwave oven's turntable is just set on top of a small
> > spinning gear-like thing and can be easily removed if I don't want to
> > use it.
>
> Mine has a button to disable the turntable. IIRC I bought the thing
> less than 10 years ago.

I don't understand why someone wouldn't like the mv turntable. It just
distributes the heat a little better by moving the food around a bit.

On Saturday, April 9, 2016 at 7:15:13 AM UTC-4, Gary wrote:
> Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> >
> > On Friday, April 8, 2016 at 7:26:30 PM UTC-4, Cheryl wrote:
> > > On 4/2/2016 11:50 AM, jmcquown wrote:
> > >
> > > > The countertop microwave I had before I moved here had a turntable. I
> > > > wanted the option to turn it OFF!
> > > >
> > > > I have successfully made lasagna in a multi-powered microwave (circa
> > > > 1986). Turntable? No thanks. Not unless you can turn it off.
> > >
> > > I've never thought about why I wouldn't want the turntable but I will
> > > now. My microwave oven's turntable is just set on top of a small
> > > spinning gear-like thing and can be easily removed if I don't want to
> > > use it.
> >
> > Mine has a button to disable the turntable. IIRC I bought the thing
> > less than 10 years ago.
>
> I don't understand why someone wouldn't like the mv turntable. It just
> distributes the heat a little better by moving the food around a bit.

I can fit a 9x13 dish in the microwave, but only in one direction.
Disabling the turntable allows use of that dish. Not that I use
that feature very often; my main use of the microwave is to cook
my morning oatmeal.

Cindy Hamilton

Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>
> Dave Smith wrote:
> > I will start using the dishwasher more often when they start loading and
> > unloading themselves.
>
> Do you use a dishpan and a dish rack? The former has to be loaded and
> the latter has to be unloaded. Or is it the bending down to load things
> in the bottom rack of the dishwasher that gets you?

I hand-wash dishes. At least once a day, but usually several times a
day. The more often you do it, the less time it takes.

I don't have any problem with the loading or unloading. Heck, you do
the same with hand washing and putting on a drying rack. My deal is
that to fill a dishwasher (me here only), it would take a few days to
fill the washer. I like to reuse many items during a day. Putting
everything in a dishwasher to wash later, I found myself too often
taking some dirty item out of the dishwasher, then cleaning it to use
again.

Not only that, by the time you rinse off things to put in the
dishwasher, you could have used some soapy water, rinsed and got it
clean in the same amount of time. IMO.

The only "waste of time" to me is to hand dry dishes using a kitchen
towel. Just let them dry on a rack before putting them away. Imo,
people that hand dry have too much time on their hands.

On Sat, 09 Apr 2016 07:12:48 -0400, Gary > wrote:

>Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>
>> On Friday, April 8, 2016 at 7:26:30 PM UTC-4, Cheryl wrote:
>> > On 4/2/2016 11:50 AM, jmcquown wrote:
>> >
>> > > The countertop microwave I had before I moved here had a turntable. I
>> > > wanted the option to turn it OFF!
>> > >
>> > > I have successfully made lasagna in a multi-powered microwave (circa
>> > > 1986). Turntable? No thanks. Not unless you can turn it off.
>> >
>> > I've never thought about why I wouldn't want the turntable but I will
>> > now. My microwave oven's turntable is just set on top of a small
>> > spinning gear-like thing and can be easily removed if I don't want to
>> > use it.
>>
>> Mine has a button to disable the turntable. IIRC I bought the thing
>> less than 10 years ago.
>
>I don't understand why someone wouldn't like the mv turntable. It just
>distributes the heat a little better by moving the food around a bit.

I'm with you on that, thought it was the best improvement on MW number
1. I can, if I wish, with this one, insert a rack and I suppose if
one wanted to put something in a 13x9 that might be useful, but I have
never used it, had to think for a moment where it belonged when I came
across it in a cupboard awhile back.

On Sat, 09 Apr 2016 07:54:44 -0400, Gary > wrote:

>Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>
>> Dave Smith wrote:
>> > I will start using the dishwasher more often when they start loading and
>> > unloading themselves.
>>
>> Do you use a dishpan and a dish rack? The former has to be loaded and
>> the latter has to be unloaded. Or is it the bending down to load things
>> in the bottom rack of the dishwasher that gets you?
>
>I hand-wash dishes. At least once a day, but usually several times a
>day. The more often you do it, the less time it takes.
>
>I don't have any problem with the loading or unloading. Heck, you do
>the same with hand washing and putting on a drying rack. My deal is
>that to fill a dishwasher (me here only), it would take a few days to
>fill the washer. I like to reuse many items during a day. Putting
>everything in a dishwasher to wash later, I found myself too often
>taking some dirty item out of the dishwasher, then cleaning it to use
>again.
>
>Not only that, by the time you rinse off things to put in the
>dishwasher, you could have used some soapy water, rinsed and got it
>clean in the same amount of time. IMO.
>
>The only "waste of time" to me is to hand dry dishes using a kitchen
>towel. Just let them dry on a rack before putting them away. Imo,
>people that hand dry have too much time on their hands.

I'm on my own but everything, everything, goes in the dishwasher. As
soon as it is used. Maybe if you bought a couple of extra pots
and/or dishes you would find it better.

I hate washing dishes, did enough of them in my day and there are
plenty of other, nicer things I can do while the dishwasher does it
duty

In article >,
says...
>
> On Sat, 09 Apr 2016 07:54:44 -0400, Gary > wrote:
>
> >Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> >>
> >> Dave Smith wrote:
> >> > I will start using the dishwasher more often when they start loading and
> >> > unloading themselves.
> >>
> >> Do you use a dishpan and a dish rack? The former has to be loaded and
> >> the latter has to be unloaded. Or is it the bending down to load things
> >> in the bottom rack of the dishwasher that gets you?
> >
> >I hand-wash dishes. At least once a day, but usually several times a
> >day. The more often you do it, the less time it takes.
> >
> >I don't have any problem with the loading or unloading. Heck, you do
> >the same with hand washing and putting on a drying rack. My deal is
> >that to fill a dishwasher (me here only), it would take a few days to
> >fill the washer. I like to reuse many items during a day. Putting
> >everything in a dishwasher to wash later, I found myself too often
> >taking some dirty item out of the dishwasher, then cleaning it to use
> >again.
> >
> >Not only that, by the time you rinse off things to put in the
> >dishwasher, you could have used some soapy water, rinsed and got it
> >clean in the same amount of time. IMO.
> >
> >The only "waste of time" to me is to hand dry dishes using a kitchen
> >towel. Just let them dry on a rack before putting them away. Imo,
> >people that hand dry have too much time on their hands.
>
> I'm on my own but everything, everything, goes in the dishwasher. As
> soon as it is used. Maybe if you bought a couple of extra pots
> and/or dishes you would find it better.
>
> I hate washing dishes, did enough of them in my day and there are
> plenty of other, nicer things I can do while the dishwasher does it
> duty

In this house we share cooking and washing up; anyone who didnt cook
washes up.

"In my day" in commercial kitchens, and when we had a large family
household, I hand-washed so many dishes that the number from a household
of two takes hardly any time at all. Even when one of us likes to use
every available knife tool pan and bowl when he's cooking some new
recipe.

Janet UK

On 2016-04-09 3:33 AM, sf wrote:

> Dressing in layers is the only way to enjoy SF, because the
> temperature (and fog situation) can change drastically depending on
> the time of day and which area you are around the City. My house is
> on the foggy side of town.

You must be near the bridge they claim is there. We tried to get a look
at it several times, but all I saw was fog.

On 2016-04-09 6:35 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> On Friday, April 8, 2016 at 6:25:20 PM UTC-4, Dave Smith wrote:

>> I will start using the dishwasher more often when they start loading and
>> unloading themselves.
>
> Do you use a dishpan and a dish rack? The former has to be loaded and
> the latter has to be unloaded. Or is it the bending down to load things
> in the bottom rack of the dishwasher that gets you?
>

I use a rack. I wash the dishes and pots and pans and set them in the
rack to dry. I am working with small loads so it only takes a couple
minutes. It is a lot less hassle than filling a machine and then having
to unload it. ,.... IMO.

On 2016-04-09 9:14 AM, Janet wrote:
> In article >,

> "In my day" in commercial kitchens, and when we had a large family
> household, I hand-washed so many dishes that the number from a household
> of two takes hardly any time at all. Even when one of us likes to use
> every available knife tool pan and bowl when he's cooking some new
> recipe.

Is my wife cooking in your kitchen? I can cook a meal and use only one
knife, maybe two. When she cooks she uses at least 5, and no, I am not
exaggerating.

On Sat, 09 Apr 2016 00:36:19 -0700, sf > wrote:

>On Fri, 8 Apr 2016 16:04:19 -0400, Nancy Young
> wrote:
>
>> On 4/8/2016 9:36 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>> > On 4/8/2016 7:23 AM, wrote:
>> >
>> >>
>> >> The virtue of hand washing dishes escapes me. I use the regular cycle
>> >> and never rinse anything before shoving in the dishwasher - I put the
>> >> pots and pans in too, the glass turntable from the microwave, oven
>> >> racks when cleaning the oven, it all comes out far better than I would
>> >> have done. I don't use the drying/heating cycle at all, they air dry
>> >> nicely. It's a very quiet dishwasher, my daughter had the same one
>> >> and I liked that aspect of it so bought it when I moved here. Not
>> >> expensive, a non elaborate Frigidaire.
>>
>> > I dunno, seems some people do more handwork so the machine does not have
>> > to work as hard. I bought the machine se we don't have to work as hard.
>> > I pushed the button after adding my breakfast dishes and when I get
>> > home it will all be done. I don't care how long it takes, the dishes
>> > will be very clean.
>>
>> I read recently that rinsing your dishes before putting
>> them into the dishwasher could backfire ... newer machines check
>> how dirty the first rinse is to determine the length of the
>> cleaning cycle. If the water appears to be pretty clean, it'll
>> be a short wash.
>>
>
>I haven't heard that. What brand? I'll keep it in mind when we shop
>for a dishwasher next time.

On my dishwasher, it is an option called 'Smart Wash.' It's the one
we use most of the time. I hate washing dishes. As I cook I put
stuff in the dishwasher.
Janet US

On 4/8/2016 6:14 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2016-04-08 2:20 PM, sf wrote:
>
>> Maybe electric cars will be what it takes to upgrade our system from
>> 120v to 240v
>>(snippage)
>
>
> I don't see that happening any time soon because they are too many
> houses wired for 120. I doubt they will go to the effort to convert
> everything wired for all the old lights and appliances. They already
> have a segment that is 240 for things like clothes dryers, stoves and
> water pressure systems.

Exactly right, Dave. When we lived in Thailand we had to use electrical
transformers to "step down" the voltage for things like bedside lamps
brought from the States.

Jill

On 4/8/2016 12:26 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
> Don't you find that they get too hot? Mine has low and high settings
> only. I used them only when it is really cold, like 10F or colder, and
> even then only for 5-10 minutes, by which time the seats and my butt are
> already warm and the interior heater is fully warmed up. OTOH, I rarely
> use the AC. I prefer to drive with the windows open. I use it only on
> the really hot, humid days of summer. It was nice in the rental car we
> had in California last September. I felt quite comfortable in the car
> with AC. I had a rude shock a few times when I opened the window for
> some fresh air. When it is up around 110F, opening the car window was
> like opening an oven to check on the cookies.

I sure wouldn't want to drive around the Southern US without air
conditioning in the car. This time of year, though, it's quite pleasant
enough to just open a window. Ditto the windows in the house. I
haven't had to run the AC yet this year but I did just have it serviced
before it gets hot outside.

My parents' car (when you get to be 70+ are you required to buy a
Buick?!) had heated seats. They (my parents) apparently got cold very
easily. So far, I have no need for heated seats. It simply doesn't get
that cold here.

Jill

On 4/9/2016 7:54 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> On Saturday, April 9, 2016 at 7:15:13 AM UTC-4, Gary wrote:
>> Cindy Hamilton wrote:

>> I don't understand why someone wouldn't like the mv turntable. It just
>> distributes the heat a little better by moving the food around a bit.
>
> I can fit a 9x13 dish in the microwave, but only in one direction.
> Disabling the turntable allows use of that dish. Not that I use
> that feature very often; my main use of the microwave is to cook
> my morning oatmeal.

We arrived at my brother's on Easter with a 9X13 Pyrex of
cauliflower gratin that needed time in the microwave. Uh oh,
new microwave and it's got a turntable with no discernible way
to make it stop turning, but surprise, it was big enough for
that dish to turn.

Beats the last piece of crap they picked up, it would turn off
after a minute because it was tired, I guess.

nancy

Dave Smith wrote:
>
> On 2016-04-09 9:14 AM, Janet wrote:
> > In article >,
>
> > "In my day" in commercial kitchens, and when we had a large family
> > household, I hand-washed so many dishes that the number from a household
> > of two takes hardly any time at all. Even when one of us likes to use
> > every available knife tool pan and bowl when he's cooking some new
> > recipe.
>
> Is my wife cooking in your kitchen? I can cook a meal and use only one
> knife, maybe two. When she cooks she uses at least 5, and no, I am not
> exaggerating.

lol. Whenever my daughter cooks for me it's a disaster. She cooks a
fantastic meal but I swear she dirties every single dish, bowl and
utensil. Not only is the meal served very late but it's always a
massive cleanup for me later...usually the next morning. sigh

On 4/9/2016 3:36 AM, sf wrote:
> On Fri, 8 Apr 2016 16:04:19 -0400, Nancy Young
> > wrote:

>> I read recently that rinsing your dishes before putting
>> them into the dishwasher could backfire ... newer machines check
>> how dirty the first rinse is to determine the length of the
>> cleaning cycle. If the water appears to be pretty clean, it'll
>> be a short wash.
>>
>
> I haven't heard that. What brand? I'll keep it in mind when we shop
> for a dishwasher next time.

It's not any particular brand, it's all part of the whole
energy saving thing, I imagine. I haven't watched my current
machine, but my previous one, the display showing the
time remaining would suddenly cut off a chunk of time so
you know it decided it didn't need to run so long. Dishes
always came out clean.

As Janet B said, I imagine looking for any brand offering a
Smart wash would be a good place to start. Mine is a
Whirlpool, it says it has a Sensor cycle to determine how
much water to use.

nancy

On Sat, 09 Apr 2016 07:38:34 -0600, Janet B >
wrote:

>>> I read recently that rinsing your dishes before putting
>>> them into the dishwasher could backfire ... newer machines check
>>> how dirty the first rinse is to determine the length of the
>>> cleaning cycle. If the water appears to be pretty clean, it'll
>>> be a short wash.
>>>
>>
>>I haven't heard that. What brand? I'll keep it in mind when we shop
>>for a dishwasher next time.
>
>On my dishwasher, it is an option called 'Smart Wash.' It's the one
>we use most of the time. I hate washing dishes. As I cook I put
>stuff in the dishwasher.
>Janet US

So that's what it is ! The machine at the bridge club has a smart
wash and that would be perfect for all those coffee mugs and a few
plates. I must tell them.

On 4/9/2016 10:27 AM, jmcquown wrote:

> My parents' car (when you get to be 70+ are you required to buy a
> Buick?!) had heated seats. They (my parents) apparently got cold very
> easily. So far, I have no need for heated seats. It simply doesn't get
> that cold here.

The heated seats in my '84 Peugeot were the first thing to go,
along with the cruise control. Worked great for a few months.
Wonder why they went out of business here.

In my current car, they work great and have a little dial so
you can have them as hot as you'd like. It's a nice feature
where I live, must be even nicer in colder climes.

No heated steering wheel, since they're all padded now, it isn't
something I ever thought to wish for. I'm just glad you don't
get 3rd degree burns in the summer like you did when they were
metal and plastic!

nancy

On 4/9/2016 10:27 AM, jmcquown wrote:

>
> My parents' car (when you get to be 70+ are you required to buy a
> Buick?!) had heated seats.

Average age of Buick owners has recently dropped from 64 five years ago
to 57 now. Cadillac is still 65.

Average age of Corvette owner is 59. We all wanted one when were were
teenagers, but could not afford it until many years later.

On 4/9/2016 11:04 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 4/9/2016 10:27 AM, jmcquown wrote:
>
>>
>> My parents' car (when you get to be 70+ are you required to buy a
>> Buick?!) had heated seats.
>
> Average age of Buick owners has recently dropped from 64 five years ago
> to 57 now. Cadillac is still 65.
>
> Average age of Corvette owner is 59. We all wanted one when were were
> teenagers, but could not afford it until many years later.
>
Fun "facts", Ed. My occasional (seasonal) neighbor across the street
owns five cars. I can't for the life of me imagine owning five cars. A
couple of years ago he bought a 1965 Mustang. Fortunately it wasn't
red. <G> He drove down here from Maryland this time around in his blue
Porsche convertible. I'm not impressed.

All I need/want is a car that gets me from point A to point B and back.
And yes, it must have AC. <G>

Jill

On 4/9/2016 11:53 AM, jmcquown wrote:
> On 4/9/2016 11:04 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>> On 4/9/2016 10:27 AM, jmcquown wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> My parents' car (when you get to be 70+ are you required to buy a
>>> Buick?!) had heated seats.
>>
>> Average age of Buick owners has recently dropped from 64 five years ago
>> to 57 now. Cadillac is still 65.
>>
>> Average age of Corvette owner is 59. We all wanted one when were were
>> teenagers, but could not afford it until many years later.
>>
> Fun "facts", Ed. My occasional (seasonal) neighbor across the street
> owns five cars. I can't for the life of me imagine owning five cars. A
> couple of years ago he bought a 1965 Mustang. Fortunately it wasn't
> red. <G> He drove down here from Maryland this time around in his blue
> Porsche convertible. I'm not impressed.
>
> All I need/want is a car that gets me from point A to point B and back.
> And yes, it must have AC. <G>
>
> Jill

You need a sports car or convertible to accommodate your second
childhood. Next time you see a group of motorcycles riders with long
hair and beards, check the average age there too.

On 09/04/2016 7:25 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2016-04-09 6:35 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>> On Friday, April 8, 2016 at 6:25:20 PM UTC-4, Dave Smith wrote:
>
>>> I will start using the dishwasher more often when they start loading and
>>> unloading themselves.
>>
>> Do you use a dishpan and a dish rack? The former has to be loaded and
>> the latter has to be unloaded. Or is it the bending down to load things
>> in the bottom rack of the dishwasher that gets you?
>>
>
> I use a rack. I wash the dishes and pots and pans and set them in the
> rack to dry. I am working with small loads so it only takes a couple
> minutes. It is a lot less hassle than filling a machine and then having
> to unload it. ,.... IMO.
>
>
Exactly! That's *your* opinion. I hate washing up and I use my DW pretty
well exclusively.
Graham

On 2016-04-09 9:58 AM, jmcquown wrote:
> On 4/8/2016 6:14 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
>> On 2016-04-08 2:20 PM, sf wrote:
>>
>>> Maybe electric cars will be what it takes to upgrade our system from
>>> 120v to 240v
>>> (snippage)
>>
>>
>> I don't see that happening any time soon because they are too many
>> houses wired for 120. I doubt they will go to the effort to convert
>> everything wired for all the old lights and appliances. They already
>> have a segment that is 240 for things like clothes dryers, stoves and
>> water pressure systems.
>
> Exactly right, Dave. When we lived in Thailand we had to use electrical
> transformers to "step down" the voltage for things like bedside lamps
> brought from the States.


With more than 320 million people in the US, all with lamps, radios,
TVs, microwaves, refrigerators, washing machines, radios, stereo
systems, computers etc. all running on 120, and having houses wired
for that voltage, the chances of a switchover to 240 are pretty much zero.