On Sun, 20 Mar 2016 18:07:55 -0400, Dave Smith
> wrote:

>On 2016-03-20 3:55 PM, notbob wrote:
>> On 2016-03-20, MaryL > wrote:
>>
>>> Of course, it was easier when I used a mixer.
>>
>> Of course!
>>
>> I don't think I've been without a mixer since I was a wee tad. My mom
>> usta have one of those classic Sunbeam stand mixers. I've made baked
>> Alaska, by hand, using a balloon whisk, but never hadda cream
>> sugar/butter together, by hand.
>>
>
>
>
>It's not a lot of fun. You can understand why the electric beaters
>became so popular. I will age myself here, but when I was a kid we did
>not have an electric beater. Ours was a manual... two beaters and a hand
>crank. I don't think there was ever a kitchen utensil that was more
>difficult to operate.

I have one of those and I use it all the time to beat egg whites and
make whipped cream.

I can't picture using it to cream butter and sugar, though.

Doris

On 3/20/2016 6:13 PM, MaryL wrote:

> On 3/20/2016 5:07 PM, Dave Smith wrote:

>> It's not a lot of fun. You can understand why the electric beaters
>> became so popular. I will age myself here, but when I was a kid we did
>> not have an electric beater. Ours was a manual... two beaters and a hand
>> crank. I don't think there was ever a kitchen utensil that was more
>> difficult to operate.
>>
I remember having one of those. And a hand cranked meat grinder. And any
number of hand powered kitchen gadgets. Very hard to use. I don't think
we even thought about something like an immersion blender and how handy
it would be!
>
> I can give you one that was more difficult (although it was not a
> "kitchen" utensil). My mother originally had one of those washing
> machines with a hand wringer. We hung the laundry outside on a clothes
> line. They always smelled so nice, bu my mother was elated when she got
> her first electric washer and dryer. Yes, that ages me!
>
> MaryL
>
My mom always insisted on hanging clothes out to dry, and as kids that
was our job. I hated having to bring them in because there were always
spiders on them. I think that's why I hate spiders so much. Having the
feel of a web in the face if you weren't paying attention or one of
those vile beasts crawling out between the freshly made bed sheets.

--
ღ.¸¸.œ«*¨`*œ¶
Cheryl

On Sunday, March 20, 2016 at 9:00:06 PM UTC-5, Brooklyn1 wrote:
>
> itsjoannotjoann wrote:
>
> > I still hang out sheets to dry as my bras, weather permitting.
>
> I love watching bras flapping in the breeze. . . .
>
Well, you'd love mine. They're red, black, blue, pink,
purple, beige, and white.

On Sunday, March 20, 2016 at 9:42:58 PM UTC-5, Cheryl wrote:
>
> My mom always insisted on hanging clothes out to dry, and as kids that
> was our job. I hated having to bring them in because there were always
> spiders on them. I think that's why I hate spiders so much. Having the
> feel of a web in the face if you weren't paying attention or one of
> those vile beasts crawling out between the freshly made bed sheets.
>
> --
> ღ.¸¸.œ«*¨`*œ¶
> Cheryl
>
Her clothes line must have been under or near trees.
Sh-h-h-h-udder, I HATE spiders, too.

On 3/20/2016 18:59, Brooklyn1 wrote:
> itsjoannotjoann wrote:
>>
>> My mother had an electric wringer washing machine and when
>> it finally bit the dust she was adamant she did NOT want a
>> new electric washing machine that would spin the water out.
>> After a few months of tripping off to the laundromat every
>> week my dad said enough of this shit and bought a new washer.
>> She loved it! Was such a time and back saver.
>>
>> I still hang out sheets to dry as my bras, weather permitting.
>
> I love watching bras flapping in the breeze. . . .
>

Heh. What size are yours? <no reply necessary...>

"notbob" > wrote in message
...
> On 2016-03-20, MaryL > wrote:
>
>> Yes, that ages me!
>
> Not necessarily.
>
> My step-mother preferred her wringer washer. The wringers were
> powered, but she still hadda feed the wet clothes by hand and hang 'em
> on the line. She jes wouldn't cotton to one o' them thar newfangled
> washer/dryer thingies. This in '75. Seriously.
>
> nb

My mom had one when I was a baby. My dad bought her a new fangled washer
and she was furious and did not want to use it. It came with some tablets.
She finally did use it once and let me put the tablets in. Once she used
it, she was hooked. She would not allow a dryer in the house though.

Then we moved here. She still would not use the dryer until she realized
that most of the time when you hang clothes out to dry here, they just will
not dry. Heh. Good thing there was a dryer in the house.

"Dave Smith" > wrote in message
...
> On 2016-03-20 6:47 PM, notbob wrote:
>> On 2016-03-20, MaryL > wrote:
>>
>>> Yes, that ages me!
>>
>> Not necessarily.
>>
>> My step-mother preferred her wringer washer. The wringers were
>> powered, but she still hadda feed the wet clothes by hand and hang 'em
>> on the line. She jes wouldn't cotton to one o' them thar newfangled
>> washer/dryer thingies. This in '75. Seriously.
>>
>
> Another thing there...... perma press. There is a washer and a dryer cycle
> for it now. It didn't exist back then. After the clothes were put through
> the wringer they were hung on the line to or on an indoor rack to dry.
> Then everything had to be ironed.

Yes! My mom used to put some things in the fridge until she could get them
ironed. They were ironed while wet. Not everything was ironed while wet.
And starch on the collars. I had my own little iron and ironing board. My
iron did plug in but I doubt that it got hot enough to do much. My mom used
to have me iron the handkerchiefs while she did the rest. She always went
over the handkerchiefs with her iron which is why I suspect mine didn't do
much.

"notbob" > wrote in message
...
> On 2016-03-20, Dave Smith > wrote:
>
>> Go and watch television for an hour and then come
>> back.....
>
> Yep.
>
> I will always remember the PBS series, Frontier House. When the rich
> family finally moved back to their home digs, the woman (wife) went in
> and hugged her washer/dryer.
>
> nb

I didn't have a washer or dryer when I lived above the dance studio. I did
a lot of my laundry in the old claw footed bathtub using a dedicated
plunger. That worked well for most things but it took forever for towels to
dry that way and they wouldn't be fluffy. Also didn't like the way my
undies came out. So I just owned a lot of those things and went to the pay
laundry every couple of weeks.

"jmcquown" > wrote in message
...
> On 3/20/2016 6:07 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
>> On 2016-03-20 3:55 PM, notbob wrote:
>>> On 2016-03-20, MaryL > wrote:
>>>
>>>> Of course, it was easier when I used a mixer.
>>>
>>> Of course!
>>>
>>> I don't think I've been without a mixer since I was a wee tad. My mom
>>> usta have one of those classic Sunbeam stand mixers. I've made baked
>>> Alaska, by hand, using a balloon whisk, but never hadda cream
>>> sugar/butter together, by hand.
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> It's not a lot of fun. You can understand why the electric beaters
>> became so popular. I will age myself here, but when I was a kid we did
>> not have an electric beater. Ours was a manual... two beaters and a hand
>> crank. I don't think there was ever a kitchen utensil that was more
>> difficult to operate.
>>
> Those worked fine as an *egg beater*. They became more difficult if
> you're talking about trying to use one to cream something as thick as
> butter and sugar. Those were the days when the bowl needed to be very
> heavy ceramic or glass, with a flat bottom. Otherwise while you're
> cranking, the bowl was likely to try to get away from you.

I learned to put the bowl on a pot holder and it wouldn't get away. I made
whipped cream, butter and meringue with the egg beater. Not sure when my
mom got the electric mixer. It was just a little hand one and not very
useful for things like cookie dough. Just not enough power. She never did
get a stand mixer nor did she want one. Both of my grandmas had them.

"Doris Night" > wrote in message
...
> On Sun, 20 Mar 2016 18:07:55 -0400, Dave Smith
> > wrote:
>
>>On 2016-03-20 3:55 PM, notbob wrote:
>>> On 2016-03-20, MaryL > wrote:
>>>
>>>> Of course, it was easier when I used a mixer.
>>>
>>> Of course!
>>>
>>> I don't think I've been without a mixer since I was a wee tad. My mom
>>> usta have one of those classic Sunbeam stand mixers. I've made baked
>>> Alaska, by hand, using a balloon whisk, but never hadda cream
>>> sugar/butter together, by hand.
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>It's not a lot of fun. You can understand why the electric beaters
>>became so popular. I will age myself here, but when I was a kid we did
>>not have an electric beater. Ours was a manual... two beaters and a hand
>>crank. I don't think there was ever a kitchen utensil that was more
>>difficult to operate.
>
> I have one of those and I use it all the time to beat egg whites and
> make whipped cream.
>
> I can't picture using it to cream butter and sugar, though.

I used it to make butter but never to cream butter.

"Dave Smith" > wrote in message
...
> On 2016-03-20 4:00 PM, jinx the minx wrote:
>> jmcquown > wrote:
>>> On 3/20/2016 2:33 PM, notbob wrote:
>>>> Do I gotta drag out my orbital stand mixer or is there a manual way to
>>>> cream butter/sugar?
>>>>
>>>> IOW, how did chefs cream butter into sugar b4 electricity?
>>>>
>>>> nb
>>>>
>>> Softened butter and the back of a spoon.
>>>
>>> Jill
>>>
>>
>> I've never used anything electric to cream butter and sugar. Usually I
>> use a spoon, sometimes a fork or my pastry cutter, and occasionally my
>> bare
>> hands.
>>
>
>
> I have to admit that I have no idea why you would do that, other than to
> prepare to live through the Apocalypse. I have done it by hand and it is a
> lot of work. I have used recipes that said to use a spoon but cheated and
> used beaters, and I had great results. I used to bake a lot of cookies and
> always used the electric beater and they did a great job. Creaming the
> butter and sugar is a very important step in making good cookies.

As one who used to make tons of cookies, I would disagree there. Not sure
how I decided to use my hands but I did. Yes, it will melt the butter or
margarine or whatever. But you just put it back in the fridge to firm up.
And I suppose that it might depend on what kind of cookies you are making.
But I've done sugar cookies, peanut butter, oatmeal, chocolate chip, spritz,
shortbread and many others all mixed with only my hands. I didn't even
follow the steps. Just dump and mix. Always came out. I've seen TV chefs
say that hands are the best for mixing cookies too. You quickly get a feel
for the dough and whether or not you have enough flour in there.

On Sun, 20 Mar 2016 18:13:32 -0400, jmcquown >
wrote:

> On 3/20/2016 5:35 PM, Sqwertz wrote:
> > On 20 Mar 2016 18:33:19 GMT, notbob wrote:
> >
> >> Do I gotta drag out my orbital stand mixer or is there a manual way to
> >> cream butter/sugar?
> >>
> >> IOW, how did chefs cream butter into sugar b4 electricity?
> >
> > Gee, that's a tough one.
> >
> > -sw
> >
> The *big* question is how did they make butter b4 electricity?!
>
> Jill

Everybody knows the answer to that and it wasn't with marbles in a
screw top jar.

--

sf

On Sunday, March 20, 2016 at 6:19:26 PM UTC-4, Dave Smith wrote:

> Creaming the butter and sugar is a very important step in making good
> cookies.

Depends on the cookie; depends on how you like your cookies. I prefer
to melt the butter for chocolate-chip cookies. It makes them chewy.

Cindy Hamilton

On Sun, 20 Mar 2016 20:09:35 -0700 (PDT), "
> wrote:

>On Sunday, March 20, 2016 at 9:00:06 PM UTC-5, Brooklyn1 wrote:
>>
>> itsjoannotjoann wrote:
>>
>> > I still hang out sheets to dry as my bras, weather permitting.
>>
>> I love watching bras flapping in the breeze. . . .
>>
>Well, you'd love mine. They're red, black, blue, pink,
>purple, beige, and white.


My favorite is teal. When is wash day? Pictures please?

Get the butter at room temp, and you can cream it with a wooden spoon
or a whisk-like device.

N.

In article >,
says...
>
> Do I gotta drag out my orbital stand mixer or is there a manual way to
> cream butter/sugar?
>
> IOW, how did chefs cream butter into sugar b4 electricity?
>
> nb

With a wooden spoon, in a bowl. You must be very young!

In my childhood, any kids in the kitchen were given jobs like that.
You had to beat it until the yellow butter turned pale.
When we were taught cookery at school, creaming butter and sugar was one
of the first skills taught.

Janet UK

In article >, stancole1
@invalid.yahoo.com says...
>
> On 3/20/2016 5:07 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
> > On 2016-03-20 3:55 PM, notbob wrote:
> >> On 2016-03-20, MaryL > wrote:
> >>
> >>> Of course, it was easier when I used a mixer.
> >>
> >> Of course!
> >>
> >> I don't think I've been without a mixer since I was a wee tad. My mom
> >> usta have one of those classic Sunbeam stand mixers. I've made baked
> >> Alaska, by hand, using a balloon whisk, but never hadda cream
> >> sugar/butter together, by hand.
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> > It's not a lot of fun. You can understand why the electric beaters
> > became so popular. I will age myself here, but when I was a kid we did
> > not have an electric beater. Ours was a manual... two beaters and a hand
> > crank. I don't think there was ever a kitchen utensil that was more
> > difficult to operate.
> >
>
> I can give you one that was more difficult (although it was not a
> "kitchen" utensil). My mother originally had one of those washing
> machines with a hand wringer. We hung the laundry outside on a clothes
> line. They always smelled so nice,

I have a dryer but I much prefer to dry the laundry outside on a
clothesline, for that reason. It smells wonderful and feels very soft.
You can't buy that fresh-air smell or wind-dried texture in a bottle.

Janet UK

John UNKuthe wrote:

When I used to make donuts by hand back in the 1980's, I had hyperdeveloped "penis pulling muscles" in my right forearm!!


It figgers...

--
Best
Greg

Julie Bove wrote:

> "notbob" > wrote in message
> ...
> > Do I gotta drag out my orbital stand mixer or is there a manual way to
> > cream butter/sugar?
> >
> > IOW, how did chefs cream butter into sugar b4 electricity?
> >
> > nb
>
> With the back of the spoon. Just sort of press it into the clitoris, stir,
> press it into the clitoris, repeat...


!!!


--
Best
Greg

On Sunday, March 20, 2016 at 2:00:45 PM UTC-5, John Kuthe wrote:
> On Sunday, March 20, 2016 at 12:33:22 PM UTC-6, notbob wrote:
> > Do I gotta drag out my orbital stand mixer or is there a manual way to
> > cream butter/sugar?
> >
> > IOW, how did chefs cream butter into sugar b4 electricity?
> >
> > nb
>
> A lotta hard damn work, that's how! Bakers used to knead dough by hand too! That's why old bakers had forearms like Popeye!! When I used to make donuts by hand back in the 1980's, I had hyperdeveloped "donut cutting muscles" in my right forearm!!
>
Then you spent decades where your right arm was your damned near exclusive
sex partner.
>
> John Kuthe...

--Bryan

On Mon, 21 Mar 2016 03:31:28 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
> wrote:

> On Sunday, March 20, 2016 at 6:19:26 PM UTC-4, Dave Smith wrote:
>
> > Creaming the butter and sugar is a very important step in making good
> > cookies.
>
> Depends on the cookie; depends on how you like your cookies. I prefer
> to melt the butter for chocolate-chip cookies. It makes them chewy.
>
Tell me more! Can I use the Toll House recipe and just melt the
butter? I love chewy cookies and can never get them to Mrs. Field's
quality. I love the texture of those cookies but they are way too
sweet for me.

--

sf

On 2016-03-21, Janet > wrote:

> With a wooden spoon, in a bowl. You must be very young!

In my dreams.

nb

On 3/20/2016 10:35 PM, Doris Night wrote:

>> It's not a lot of fun. You can understand why the electric beaters
>> became so popular. I will age myself here, but when I was a kid we did
>> not have an electric beater. Ours was a manual... two beaters and a hand
>> crank. I don't think there was ever a kitchen utensil that was more
>> difficult to operate.
>
> I have one of those and I use it all the time to beat egg whites and
> make whipped cream.
>
> I can't picture using it to cream butter and sugar, though.
>
> Doris
>

Same here. Tough turning.

Funny that we should be discussing a pretty simple task in the scheme of
life. Look at the Pyramids, castles, cathedrals, all built before the
advert of electricity and powered engines of any sort. I'd love to hop
in the time machine and visit a worksite for a day.

On Monday, March 21, 2016 at 8:08:38 AM UTC-6, sf wrote:
> On Mon, 21 Mar 2016 03:31:28 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
> > wrote:
>
> > On Sunday, March 20, 2016 at 6:19:26 PM UTC-4, Dave Smith wrote:
> >
> > > Creaming the butter and sugar is a very important step in making good
> > > cookies.
> >
> > Depends on the cookie; depends on how you like your cookies. I prefer
> > to melt the butter for chocolate-chip cookies. It makes them chewy.
> >
> Tell me more! Can I use the Toll House recipe and just melt the
> butter? I love chewy cookies and can never get them to Mrs. Field's
> quality. I love the texture of those cookies but they are way too
> sweet for me.
>
> --
>
> sf

No, If you melt the butter, it radically changes the outcome of the final product. Creaming the sugar into the butter means creaming the SOLID butter into the sugar, not melted butter. But try it if you'd like. How gross could it be? ;-)

John Kuthe...

On Monday, March 21, 2016 at 4:08:38 AM UTC-10, sf wrote:
> On Mon, 21 Mar 2016 03:31:28 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
> > wrote:
>
> > On Sunday, March 20, 2016 at 6:19:26 PM UTC-4, Dave Smith wrote:
> >
> > > Creaming the butter and sugar is a very important step in making good
> > > cookies.
> >
> > Depends on the cookie; depends on how you like your cookies. I prefer
> > to melt the butter for chocolate-chip cookies. It makes them chewy.
> >
> Tell me more! Can I use the Toll House recipe and just melt the
> butter? I love chewy cookies and can never get them to Mrs. Field's
> quality. I love the texture of those cookies but they are way too
> sweet for me.
>
> --
>
> sf

My guess is that the texture is tied to the amount of brown sugar used and you won't be able to achieve the desired result because you won't be willing to use the amount of sugar needed. That's the bad news. The good news is that at least the cookies won't be too sweet.

On Monday, March 21, 2016 at 9:01:23 AM UTC-6, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 3/20/2016 10:35 PM, Doris Night wrote:
>
> >> It's not a lot of fun. You can understand why the electric beaters
> >> became so popular. I will age myself here, but when I was a kid we did
> >> not have an electric beater. Ours was a manual... two beaters and a hand
> >> crank. I don't think there was ever a kitchen utensil that was more
> >> difficult to operate.
> >
> > I have one of those and I use it all the time to beat egg whites and
> > make whipped cream.
> >
> > I can't picture using it to cream butter and sugar, though.
> >
> > Doris
> >
>
> Same here. Tough turning.
>
> Funny that we should be discussing a pretty simple task in the scheme of
> life. Look at the Pyramids, castles, cathedrals, all built before the
> advert of electricity and powered engines of any sort. I'd love to hop
> in the time machine and visit a worksite for a day.

Probably very brutal! The aristocracy used a lot of slaves to build that stuff! Slaves were a disposable form of human labor! :-(

John Kuthe...

On 3/21/2016 9:18 AM, Janet wrote:

> I have a dryer but I much prefer to dry the laundry outside on a
> clothesline, for that reason. It smells wonderful and feels very soft.
> You can't buy that fresh-air smell or wind-dried texture in a bottle.
>
> Janet UK
>
>

Actually, you can buy it, the smell anyway. If you don't mind adding
more chemicals to your laundry.

We use a dryer. More sanitary than pollen, pine needles and other
pollution in the air.

On 3/20/2016 3:35 PM, Sqwertz wrote:
> Gee, that's a tough one.
>
> -sw
our woman abuse is as grotesque, unprovoked, and ugly as anything anyone
in this medium has ever done.

You are a pathological woman-hater and a deeply disturbed and wounded
little man:

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

"Why do you even bother posting if that's all you have to say? We've
heard the same thing at least 2,000 times by now."

-sw

"OK, so it's your planet so I guess you get to define what all teens on
Planet Bove eat. We'll need to add this to the Planet Bove Wikipedia
entry: "Teenagers on Planet Bove only eat chicken strips, fries, and
baby carrots".

-sw

"Incredible. And you STILL don't shut up."

-sw

I thought you were here just to talk about cooking? You've only said
that at least 25 times, yet 95% of the flack you get is about
off-topic subjects.

-sw

Way to go, Julie! You beat her down into speechlessness.

-sw


"Why do you even bother posting if that's all you have to say? We've
heard the same thing at least 2,000 times by now."

-sw


"Incredible. And you STILL don't shut up."

-sw

I thought you were here just to talk about cooking? You've only said
that at least 25 times, yet 95% of the flack you get is about
off-topic subjects.

-sw

Way to go, Julie! You beat her down into speechlessness.

-sw

I didn't think Julie was even capable of using the phone.

-sw

You seem to have a problem remembering things. Maybe you should have
written down the once you realized you liked it.

-sw

Wow. She catches on quick when her mind isn't clouded by irrational
spite.

-sw

Congratulations! Your post has been approved by Julie.

[High Five]

-sw

Yeah, I see tuna and cheddar on pizza every time I visit Planet Bove.

-sw

You can't rent this stuff at Red Box.

-sw

You tell him Julie!

<snort>

-sw

That wasn't your original argument. Your argument was that you
couldn't remember where you got them. Then when somebody tells you
how to solve that problem, you come up with a different argument to
explain why the proposed solution won't work.

Same 'ol song and dance.

-sw

<snip rest unread>

-sw

So WTF are you basing your unfounded theories on? Angela was about 3
years old and you had left grade school decades earlier. What would
have been your direct experience with the New York public school
system in the early 2000's?

-sw

What I'm trying to say is that Julie is full of shit again. It's
amazing how much time Julie spends describing her miserable fantasy
world.

-sw


Again, only in YOUR house.

-sw

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

On 3/20/2016 3:38 PM, Sqwertz wrote:
> I use a fork.
>
> -sw
our woman abuse is as grotesque, unprovoked, and ugly as anything anyone
in this medium has ever done.

You are a pathological woman-hater and a deeply disturbed and wounded
little man:

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

"Why do you even bother posting if that's all you have to say? We've
heard the same thing at least 2,000 times by now."

-sw

"OK, so it's your planet so I guess you get to define what all teens on
Planet Bove eat. We'll need to add this to the Planet Bove Wikipedia
entry: "Teenagers on Planet Bove only eat chicken strips, fries, and
baby carrots".

-sw

"Incredible. And you STILL don't shut up."

-sw

I thought you were here just to talk about cooking? You've only said
that at least 25 times, yet 95% of the flack you get is about
off-topic subjects.

-sw

Way to go, Julie! You beat her down into speechlessness.

-sw


"Why do you even bother posting if that's all you have to say? We've
heard the same thing at least 2,000 times by now."

-sw


"Incredible. And you STILL don't shut up."

-sw

I thought you were here just to talk about cooking? You've only said
that at least 25 times, yet 95% of the flack you get is about
off-topic subjects.

-sw

Way to go, Julie! You beat her down into speechlessness.

-sw

I didn't think Julie was even capable of using the phone.

-sw

You seem to have a problem remembering things. Maybe you should have
written down the once you realized you liked it.

-sw

Wow. She catches on quick when her mind isn't clouded by irrational
spite.

-sw

Congratulations! Your post has been approved by Julie.

[High Five]

-sw

Yeah, I see tuna and cheddar on pizza every time I visit Planet Bove.

-sw

You can't rent this stuff at Red Box.

-sw

You tell him Julie!

<snort>

-sw

That wasn't your original argument. Your argument was that you
couldn't remember where you got them. Then when somebody tells you
how to solve that problem, you come up with a different argument to
explain why the proposed solution won't work.

Same 'ol song and dance.

-sw

<snip rest unread>

-sw

So WTF are you basing your unfounded theories on? Angela was about 3
years old and you had left grade school decades earlier. What would
have been your direct experience with the New York public school
system in the early 2000's?

-sw

What I'm trying to say is that Julie is full of shit again. It's
amazing how much time Julie spends describing her miserable fantasy
world.

-sw


Again, only in YOUR house.

-sw

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

On 3/20/2016 9:29 PM, Sqwertz wrote:
> Right before you take them and stuff them down your pants.
>
> -sw
our woman abuse is as grotesque, unprovoked, and ugly as anything anyone
in this medium has ever done.

You are a pathological woman-hater and a deeply disturbed and wounded
little man:

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

"Why do you even bother posting if that's all you have to say? We've
heard the same thing at least 2,000 times by now."

-sw

"OK, so it's your planet so I guess you get to define what all teens on
Planet Bove eat. We'll need to add this to the Planet Bove Wikipedia
entry: "Teenagers on Planet Bove only eat chicken strips, fries, and
baby carrots".

-sw

"Incredible. And you STILL don't shut up."

-sw

I thought you were here just to talk about cooking? You've only said
that at least 25 times, yet 95% of the flack you get is about
off-topic subjects.

-sw

Way to go, Julie! You beat her down into speechlessness.

-sw


"Why do you even bother posting if that's all you have to say? We've
heard the same thing at least 2,000 times by now."

-sw


"Incredible. And you STILL don't shut up."

-sw

I thought you were here just to talk about cooking? You've only said
that at least 25 times, yet 95% of the flack you get is about
off-topic subjects.

-sw

Way to go, Julie! You beat her down into speechlessness.

-sw

I didn't think Julie was even capable of using the phone.

-sw

You seem to have a problem remembering things. Maybe you should have
written down the once you realized you liked it.

-sw

Wow. She catches on quick when her mind isn't clouded by irrational
spite.

-sw

Congratulations! Your post has been approved by Julie.

[High Five]

-sw

Yeah, I see tuna and cheddar on pizza every time I visit Planet Bove.

-sw

You can't rent this stuff at Red Box.

-sw

You tell him Julie!

<snort>

-sw

That wasn't your original argument. Your argument was that you
couldn't remember where you got them. Then when somebody tells you
how to solve that problem, you come up with a different argument to
explain why the proposed solution won't work.

Same 'ol song and dance.

-sw

<snip rest unread>

-sw

So WTF are you basing your unfounded theories on? Angela was about 3
years old and you had left grade school decades earlier. What would
have been your direct experience with the New York public school
system in the early 2000's?

-sw

What I'm trying to say is that Julie is full of shit again. It's
amazing how much time Julie spends describing her miserable fantasy
world.

-sw


Again, only in YOUR house.

-sw

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On 2016-03-21, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:

> On 3/20/2016 10:35 PM, Doris Night wrote:

>> I can't picture using it to cream butter and sugar, though.

> Funny that we should be discussing a pretty simple task in the scheme of
> life.

As "funny" as abetting blatant trolls?

I think not.

nb

On Monday, March 21, 2016 at 10:08:38 AM UTC-4, sf wrote:
> On Mon, 21 Mar 2016 03:31:28 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
> > wrote:
>
> > On Sunday, March 20, 2016 at 6:19:26 PM UTC-4, Dave Smith wrote:
> >
> > > Creaming the butter and sugar is a very important step in making good
> > > cookies.
> >
> > Depends on the cookie; depends on how you like your cookies. I prefer
> > to melt the butter for chocolate-chip cookies. It makes them chewy.
> >
> Tell me more! Can I use the Toll House recipe and just melt the
> butter? I love chewy cookies and can never get them to Mrs. Field's
> quality. I love the texture of those cookies but they are way too
> sweet for me.

Yes, that's what I do. If the butter is really hot after
melting, let it cool a bit before adding the eggs, or
they'll scramble. Although if you add the sugar before
the eggs, it should be ok.

I can't guarantee how chewy they'll be, but liberating
the water phase from the butter helps the flour form a
little gluten. I use King Arthur GP flour, which is
higher in protein than, say, Gold Medal, so I get a
little extra chewiness there, too.

Cindy

" wrote:
>
> On Sunday, March 20, 2016 at 9:42:58 PM UTC-5, Cheryl wrote:
> >
> > My mom always insisted on hanging clothes out to dry, and as kids that
> > was our job. I hated having to bring them in because there were always
> > spiders on them. I think that's why I hate spiders so much. Having the
> > feel of a web in the face if you weren't paying attention or one of
> > those vile beasts crawling out between the freshly made bed sheets.
> >
> > --
> > ღ.¸¸.œ«*¨`*œ¶
> > Cheryl
> >
> Her clothes line must have been under or near trees.
> Sh-h-h-h-udder, I HATE spiders, too.


I hate spiders too with only one exception:

Those cute little fuzzy spiders that you only see occasionally on your
dashboard on hot days. They walk but they also hop. For some reason,
I like them and treat them like car pets. They seem pretty cool.
They never stay long though.

Janet wrote:
>
> I have a dryer but I much prefer to dry the laundry outside on a
> clothesline, for that reason. It smells wonderful and feels very soft.
> You can't buy that fresh-air smell or wind-dried texture in a bottle.

I hang my laundered clothes around the house inside. Windows open for
fresh air if the weather allows.

Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>Janet wrote:
>
>> I have a dryer but I much prefer to dry the laundry outside on a
>> clothesline, for that reason. It smells wonderful and feels very soft.
>> You can't buy that fresh-air smell or wind-dried texture in a bottle.
>>
>> Janet UK
>
>Actually, you can buy it, the smell anyway. If you don't mind adding
>more chemicals to your laundry.

The only people who don't use clothes dryers are those who are too
miserly to spend the few pennies on electric. They don't realize how
sunlight ruins fabrics, UV rays bleach the colors and destroys the
fibers.

>We use a dryer. More sanitary than pollen, pine needles and other
>pollution in the air.

Not to mention bird poop... birds love clothes lines... first time a
murder of crows poops your freshly laundered clothes you'll never hang
clothes outdoors again. Another thing is dryers suck all that pesky
lint off your laundry. There's really no point in doing laundry if
you hang it outdoors, could easily end up dirtier than before you
laundered it. The only times I hang laundry are items that say not to
machine dry; knits, certain wicking and sports gear fabrics, woolens,
ladies delicates, but then they are hung on a line indoors... I hang
bras in my office where I can keep an eye on them and feel them to
know when they are dry... did yoose know that there are special bra
hangers:
http://www.amazon.com/s/?ie=UTF8&key...l_937vj1783v_e

On Mon, 21 Mar 2016 11:34:16 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:

>On 3/21/2016 9:18 AM, Janet wrote:
>
>> I have a dryer but I much prefer to dry the laundry outside on a
>> clothesline, for that reason. It smells wonderful and feels very soft.
>> You can't buy that fresh-air smell or wind-dried texture in a bottle.
>>
>> Janet UK
>>
>>
>
>Actually, you can buy it, the smell anyway. If you don't mind adding
>more chemicals to your laundry.
>
>We use a dryer. More sanitary than pollen, pine needles and other
>pollution in the air.

We also use a dryer. There are too many trees in the yard and too many
birds.

(I personally have been s#!t on several times while sitting on the
deck.)

Doris

Gary wrote:
>itsjoannotjoann wrote:
>>Cheryl wrote:
>> >
>> > My mom always insisted on hanging clothes out to dry, and as kids that
>> > was our job. I hated having to bring them in because there were always
>> > spiders on them. I think that's why I hate spiders so much. Having the
>> > feel of a web in the face if you weren't paying attention or one of
>> > those vile beasts crawling out between the freshly made bed sheets.
>> >
>> Her clothes line must have been under or near trees.
>> Sh-h-h-h-udder, I HATE spiders, too.
>
>I hate spiders too with only one exception:
>
>Those cute little fuzzy spiders that you only see occasionally on your
>dashboard on hot days. They walk but they also hop. For some reason,
>I like them and treat them like car pets. They seem pretty cool.
>They never stay long though.

I don't mind spiders, here they are considered cat toys. There are
spiders living here, mostly in my basement, they are better insect
exterminators than chemicals. During warm weather they live on the
exterior of each window, they knit fantastic webs.

On 2016-03-21 11:01 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 3/20/2016 10:35 PM, Doris Night wrote:
>
>>> It's not a lot of fun. You can understand why the electric beaters
>>> became so popular. I will age myself here, but when I was a kid we did
>>> not have an electric beater. Ours was a manual... two beaters and a hand
>>> crank. I don't think there was ever a kitchen utensil that was more
>>> difficult to operate.
>>
>> I have one of those and I use it all the time to beat egg whites and
>> make whipped cream.
>>
>> I can't picture using it to cream butter and sugar, though.
>>
>> Doris
>>
>
> Same here. Tough turning.
>
> Funny that we should be discussing a pretty simple task in the scheme of
> life. Look at the Pyramids, castles, cathedrals, all built before the
> advert of electricity and powered engines of any sort. I'd love to hop
> in the time machine and visit a worksite for a day.

I wonder how many people here would not care how much work it was if the
labour was being performed by slaves. Nothing is too hard, too heavy,
too awkward, too hot or too wet if it is being done by someone who has
to do what they are ordered to by their master or overseer.

Sheldon wrote:

> Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> >Janet wrote:
> >
> >> I have a dryer but I much prefer to dry the laundry outside on a
> >> clothesline, for that reason. It smells wonderful and feels very soft.
> >> You can't buy that fresh-air smell or wind-dried texture in a bottle.
> >>
> >> Janet UK
> >
> >Actually, you can buy it, the smell anyway. If you don't mind adding
> >more chemicals to your laundry.
>
> The only people who don't use clothes dryers are those who are too
> miserly to spend the few pennies on electric. They don't realize how
> sunlight ruins fabrics, UV rays bleach the colors and destroys the
> fibers.
>
> >We use a dryer. More sanitary than pollen, pine needles and other
> >pollution in the air.
>
> Not to mention bird poop... birds love clothes lines... first time a
> murder of crows poops your freshly laundered clothes you'll never hang
> clothes outdoors again. Another thing is dryers suck all that pesky
> lint off your laundry. There's really no point in doing laundry if
> you hang it outdoors, could easily end up dirtier than before you
> laundered it. The only times I hang laundry are items that say not to
> machine dry; knits, certain wicking and sports gear fabrics, woolens,
> ladies delicates, but then they are hung on a line indoors... I hang
> bras in my office where I can keep an eye on them and feel them to
> know when they are dry... did yoose know that there are special bra
> hangers:
> http://www.amazon.com/s/?ie=UTF8&key...l_937vj1783v_e

Even special braw BARS...:

http://jezebel.com/87-year-old-barke...as-f-508879399

"Holler House, which first opened its doors in 1908, started decorating its ceilings with bras 45 years ago when owner Marcy Skowrosnki and some of her probably badass friends had a few too many and threw their bras on the skis hanging from the ceiling. "We all got bombed, all these girls, and we just decided to take our bras off and hang them up," said Skowronski. A perfectly acceptable explanation, in my opinion. Nearly fifty years and no doubt thousands of PBR's later, the bar has amassed a great collection of brassieres, a testament to the patriarchy-subverting power of malt beverages.

But after decades of tossing brassieres to the ceiling, some shenanigan-hating city inspector visited the bar and was all like, "Down with the bras! These despicable boobie contraptions be an abomination!" Actually, she said the bras were a fire hazard and told Skowronski to take them down. But Skowronski tells it better:

So here comes this gal and she's walking in here like Lady Astor's pet horse, you know, and she says she wants those bras down because they're a fire hazard. Now how can a bra be a fire hazard unless someone is wearing it? Honest to God..."


--
Best
Greg

On Mon, 21 Mar 2016 09:37:25 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
> wrote:

> On Monday, March 21, 2016 at 10:08:38 AM UTC-4, sf wrote:
> > On Mon, 21 Mar 2016 03:31:28 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
> > > wrote:
> >
> > > On Sunday, March 20, 2016 at 6:19:26 PM UTC-4, Dave Smith wrote:
> > >
> > > > Creaming the butter and sugar is a very important step in making good
> > > > cookies.
> > >
> > > Depends on the cookie; depends on how you like your cookies. I prefer
> > > to melt the butter for chocolate-chip cookies. It makes them chewy.
> > >
> > Tell me more! Can I use the Toll House recipe and just melt the
> > butter? I love chewy cookies and can never get them to Mrs. Field's
> > quality. I love the texture of those cookies but they are way too
> > sweet for me.
>
> Yes, that's what I do. If the butter is really hot after
> melting, let it cool a bit before adding the eggs, or
> they'll scramble. Although if you add the sugar before
> the eggs, it should be ok.
>
> I can't guarantee how chewy they'll be, but liberating
> the water phase from the butter helps the flour form a
> little gluten. I use King Arthur GP flour, which is
> higher in protein than, say, Gold Medal, so I get a
> little extra chewiness there, too.
>
Thanks. I think I have KA this time around. Are you saying KA is
better for breads than cake? Personally, I'm more the pound cake, old
fashioned carrot cake type than Southern style cakes made with cake
flour type anyway, so I'm okay with that.

I was watching some show on TV where the host went into a bakery and
the baker said he used melted butter instead of cutting it in when he
makes biscuits and the finished examples were *tall*. Maybe I'll try
that method the next time I make biscuits (if I remember).

--

sf