On 3/22/2016 9:25 AM, notbob wrote:
> On 2016-03-22, > wrote:
>
>> OK so I was one country away!
>
> So is France and Germany.
>
> nb
>

Raise you what's left of Belgium...

:-(

On 3/22/2016 9:22 AM, MisterDiddyWahDiddy wrote:
> I've never had pot pie

**** off and choke to death on ground rubber hose parts, you asshole.

On Tuesday, March 22, 2016 at 12:16:12 AM UTC-10, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> On Monday, March 21, 2016 at 5:41:20 PM UTC-4, dsi1 wrote:
>
> > Is there a more English weapon than the longbow? I think not. OTOH how
> > did the natives tribes of the Americas get their hands on the bow and
> > arrow? What's the deal with that?
>
> Wikipedia appears to be broken on your island.
>
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_archery>
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_archery>
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gakgung>
>
> Cindy Hamilton

I wanted the opinion of an archer, not a wiki article. I don't need another stinkin' wiki article. What I find fascinating is that such a specific weapon could come about independently. A lot of them seem to have the same recurve design. Amazing!

On Tuesday, March 22, 2016 at 2:35:11 AM UTC-10, Helpful person wrote:
> On Monday, March 21, 2016 at 6:02:32 PM UTC-4, dsi1 wrote:
> >
> > It's not really my history. My guess is that the bow is such a basic and
> > obvious weapon that different cultures spontaneously came up with it
> > independently. I suppose that guess is as good as any but it's wholly
> > unsatisfying.
>
> I don't think it's obvious, probably not as obvious as the wheel which is a comparatively modern invention. I suspect that it was invented at one place and spread throughout the world as man migrated.
>
> It seems that the bow and arrow is everywhere except Australia. The aborigines reached Australia about 50,000 years ago. I suspect this predated the invention.
>
> More archaeological evidence is needed to do more than speculate.
>
> http://www.richardfisher.com

What you say seems reasonable - except for the speculation part. I can speculate all day. It don't hardly cost me nothing.

On Tuesday, March 22, 2016 at 2:34:20 PM UTC-4, dsi1 wrote:
> On Tuesday, March 22, 2016 at 12:16:12 AM UTC-10, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> > On Monday, March 21, 2016 at 5:41:20 PM UTC-4, dsi1 wrote:
> >
> > > Is there a more English weapon than the longbow? I think not. OTOH how
> > > did the natives tribes of the Americas get their hands on the bow and
> > > arrow? What's the deal with that?
> >
> > Wikipedia appears to be broken on your island.
> >
> > <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_archery>
> > <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_archery>
> > <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gakgung>
> >
> > Cindy Hamilton
>
> I wanted the opinion of an archer, not a wiki article. I don't need another stinkin' wiki article. What I find fascinating is that such a specific weapon could come about independently. A lot of them seem to have the same recurve design. Amazing!

Would an archer necessarily know anything about when the
American Indians got bow and arrow technology? Only if
he/she had an interest in history.

Incidentally, I provided the second two links because I
felt the first was too Euro-centric.

Cindy Hamilton

On Tuesday, March 22, 2016 at 8:43:12 AM UTC-10, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> On Tuesday, March 22, 2016 at 2:34:20 PM UTC-4, dsi1 wrote:
> > On Tuesday, March 22, 2016 at 12:16:12 AM UTC-10, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> > > On Monday, March 21, 2016 at 5:41:20 PM UTC-4, dsi1 wrote:
> > >
> > > > Is there a more English weapon than the longbow? I think not. OTOH how
> > > > did the natives tribes of the Americas get their hands on the bow and
> > > > arrow? What's the deal with that?
> > >
> > > Wikipedia appears to be broken on your island.
> > >
> > > <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_archery>
> > > <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_archery>
> > > <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gakgung>
> > >
> > > Cindy Hamilton
> >
> > I wanted the opinion of an archer, not a wiki article. I don't need another stinkin' wiki article. What I find fascinating is that such a specific weapon could come about independently. A lot of them seem to have the same recurve design. Amazing!
>
> Would an archer necessarily know anything about when the
> American Indians got bow and arrow technology? Only if
> he/she had an interest in history.
>
> Incidentally, I provided the second two links because I
> felt the first was too Euro-centric.
>
> Cindy Hamilton

I did not realize that I required your permission to ask questions here. Oh silly me!

On Tue, 22 Mar 2016 11:34:11 -0700 (PDT), dsi1 >
wrote:

>On Tuesday, March 22, 2016 at 12:16:12 AM UTC-10, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>> On Monday, March 21, 2016 at 5:41:20 PM UTC-4, dsi1 wrote:
>>
>> > Is there a more English weapon than the longbow? I think not. OTOH how
>> > did the natives tribes of the Americas get their hands on the bow and
>> > arrow? What's the deal with that?
>>
>> Wikipedia appears to be broken on your island.
>>
>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_archery>
>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_archery>
>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gakgung>
>>
>
>I wanted the opinion of an archer, not a wiki article. I don't need another stinkin' wiki article.
>What I find fascinating is that such a specific weapon could come about independently.
>A lot of them seem to have the same recurve design. Amazing!

It's an inevitable discovery/design to be made, some things are just
like that. Much like the eye, which evolved independently many times.

In article >,
says...
>
> On Tuesday, March 22, 2016 at 12:16:12 AM UTC-10, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> > On Monday, March 21, 2016 at 5:41:20 PM UTC-4, dsi1 wrote:
> >
> > > Is there a more English weapon than the longbow? I think not. OTOH how
> > > did the natives tribes of the Americas get their hands on the bow and
> > > arrow? What's the deal with that?
> >
> > Wikipedia appears to be broken on your island.
> >
> > <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_archery>
> > <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_archery>
> > <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gakgung>
> >
> > Cindy Hamilton
>
> I wanted the opinion of an archer, not a wiki article. I don't need
another stinkin' wiki article.

What I find fascinating is that such a specific weapon could come about
independently. A lot of them seem to have the same recurve design.
Amazing!

If you read the wiki article you'd know bows and arrows were never
specific to any country, and how they reached native tribes of the
Americas.

Janet UK

On Tuesday, March 22, 2016 at 9:33:54 AM UTC-5, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2016-03-22 9:41 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> > On Tuesday, March 22, 2016 at 9:24:16 AM UTC-4, wrote:
> >
> >> If you compare wild with farmed salmon you can see the justification
> >> of his comment that they are lazy and food is delivered to their
> >> mouths - you can see the seams of fat in their flesh. When I
> >> occasionally eat it, I cook slowly in the nuker, that way the seams of
> >> fat tend to run off, but it just doesn't compare to the wild salmon
> >> that has roamed the seas.
> >
> > Which is why I like farmed salmon. Wild salmon tastes
> > too strong for me, and the fat in farmed salmon cooks
> > up beautifully on the grill.
> >
> > To each their own, I say.
> >
>
> Thank goodness there is the cheaper option that has other qualities that
> a lot of people enjoy. I usually get farmed because it is so much more
> affordable, but I prefer the wild stuff. When farmed salmon prices are
> up and wild salmon prices are down I will get the wild.

The farmed would have to be *very* cheap to be attractive. I only buy
wild Pacific salmon, and sometimes I can get it frozen for a very good
price.

--Bryan

On 2016-03-22, Janet > wrote:

> specific to any country, and how they reached native tribes of the
> Americas.

Yes. How did the bow/arrow make it to America, but not the wheel?

nb

On 3/22/2016 2:28 PM, notbob wrote:
> On 2016-03-22, Janet > wrote:
>
>> specific to any country, and how they reached native tribes of the
>> Americas.
>
> Yes. How did the bow/arrow make it to America, but not the wheel?
>
> nb
>

As the Nephilim, dummy.

On 3/22/2016 10:14 AM, Janet wrote:
> In article >,
> says...
>>
>> On Tuesday, March 22, 2016 at 12:16:12 AM UTC-10, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>> On Monday, March 21, 2016 at 5:41:20 PM UTC-4, dsi1 wrote:
>>>
>>>> Is there a more English weapon than the longbow? I think not. OTOH how
>>>> did the natives tribes of the Americas get their hands on the bow and
>>>> arrow? What's the deal with that?
>>>
>>> Wikipedia appears to be broken on your island.
>>>
>>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_archery>
>>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_archery>
>>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gakgung>
>>>
>>> Cindy Hamilton
>>
>> I wanted the opinion of an archer, not a wiki article. I don't need
> another stinkin' wiki article.
>
> What I find fascinating is that such a specific weapon could come about
> independently. A lot of them seem to have the same recurve design.
> Amazing!
>
> If you read the wiki article you'd know bows and arrows were never
> specific to any country, and how they reached native tribes of the
> Americas.
>
> Janet UK
>

I'll take your word for it.

On Tue, 22 Mar 2016 13:18:26 -0700 (PDT), MisterDiddyWahDiddy
> wrote:

>On Tuesday, March 22, 2016 at 9:33:54 AM UTC-5, Dave Smith wrote:
>> On 2016-03-22 9:41 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>> > On Tuesday, March 22, 2016 at 9:24:16 AM UTC-4, wrote:
>> >
>> >> If you compare wild with farmed salmon you can see the justification
>> >> of his comment that they are lazy and food is delivered to their
>> >> mouths - you can see the seams of fat in their flesh. When I
>> >> occasionally eat it, I cook slowly in the nuker, that way the seams of
>> >> fat tend to run off, but it just doesn't compare to the wild salmon
>> >> that has roamed the seas.
>> >
>> > Which is why I like farmed salmon. Wild salmon tastes
>> > too strong for me, and the fat in farmed salmon cooks
>> > up beautifully on the grill.
>> >
>> > To each their own, I say.
>> >
>>
>> Thank goodness there is the cheaper option that has other qualities that
>> a lot of people enjoy. I usually get farmed because it is so much more
>> affordable, but I prefer the wild stuff. When farmed salmon prices are
>> up and wild salmon prices are down I will get the wild.
>
>The farmed would have to be *very* cheap to be attractive. I only buy
>wild Pacific salmon, and sometimes I can get it frozen for a very good
>price.
>
>--Bryan

Pacific salmon can't even be mentioned in the hearing of North
Atlantic Salmon -

On 22 Mar 2016 20:28:04 GMT, notbob > wrote:

>On 2016-03-22, Janet > wrote:
>
>> specific to any country, and how they reached native tribes of the
>> Americas.
>
>Yes. How did the bow/arrow make it to America, but not the wheel?
>
>nb

Slacker Ancient Aliens?
Janet US

On 2016-03-22, Janet B > wrote:

> On 22 Mar 2016 20:28:04 GMT, notbob > wrote:

>>Yes. How did the bow/arrow make it to America, but not the wheel?

> Slacker Ancient Aliens?

LOL!

Took me a few to get that one, but.....

nb

On Tue, 22 Mar 2016 17:51:59 -0300, wrote:

>On Tue, 22 Mar 2016 13:18:26 -0700 (PDT), MisterDiddyWahDiddy
> wrote:
>
>>On Tuesday, March 22, 2016 at 9:33:54 AM UTC-5, Dave Smith wrote:

>>> Thank goodness there is the cheaper option that has other qualities that
>>> a lot of people enjoy. I usually get farmed because it is so much more
>>> affordable, but I prefer the wild stuff. When farmed salmon prices are
>>> up and wild salmon prices are down I will get the wild.
>>
>>The farmed would have to be *very* cheap to be attractive. I only buy
>>wild Pacific salmon, and sometimes I can get it frozen for a very good
>>price.
>>
>>--Bryan
>
>Pacific salmon can't even be mentioned in the hearing of North
>Atlantic Salmon -

I wonder what that means.

--
Bruce

On Wed, 23 Mar 2016 08:25:08 +1100, Bruce > wrote:

>On Tue, 22 Mar 2016 17:51:59 -0300, wrote:
>>On Tue, 22 Mar 2016 13:18:26 -0700 (PDT), MisterDiddyWahDiddy
> wrote:
>>Pacific salmon can't even be mentioned in the hearing of North
>>Atlantic Salmon -
>
>I wonder what that means.

Nobody expects the salmon inquisition.

On Wed, 23 Mar 2016 08:51:02 +1100, Jeßus > wrote:

>On Wed, 23 Mar 2016 08:25:08 +1100, Bruce > wrote:
>
>>On Tue, 22 Mar 2016 17:51:59 -0300, wrote:
>>>On Tue, 22 Mar 2016 13:18:26 -0700 (PDT), MisterDiddyWahDiddy
> wrote:
>>>Pacific salmon can't even be mentioned in the hearing of North
>>>Atlantic Salmon -
>>
>>I wonder what that means.
>
>Nobody expects the salmon inquisition.

I expect he only understands words of one syllable - Atlantic Salmon
is far better than Pacific, there is no comparison.

On Tue, 22 Mar 2016 19:07:19 -0300, wrote:

>On Wed, 23 Mar 2016 08:51:02 +1100, Jeßus > wrote:
>
>>On Wed, 23 Mar 2016 08:25:08 +1100, Bruce > wrote:
>>
>>>On Tue, 22 Mar 2016 17:51:59 -0300, wrote:
>>>>On Tue, 22 Mar 2016 13:18:26 -0700 (PDT), MisterDiddyWahDiddy
> wrote:
>>>>Pacific salmon can't even be mentioned in the hearing of North
>>>>Atlantic Salmon -
>>>
>>>I wonder what that means.
>>
>>Nobody expects the salmon inquisition.
>
>I expect he only understands words of one syllable - Atlantic Salmon
>is far better than Pacific, there is no comparison.

Now I get it, Luc.

--
Bruce

sf wrote in rec.food.cooking:

> On Mon, 21 Mar 2016 18:12:23 -0500, "cshenk" > wrote:
>
> > sf wrote in rec.food.cooking:
> >
> > > On Sun, 20 Mar 2016 15:18:47 -0500, "cshenk" >
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > The only time I tried wild duck, I didnt like it. I am sure
> > > > some purists will find that odd but i like the domestically
> > > > raised sorts.
> > >
> > > Agree about that, I prefer farmed salmon too.
> >
> > I prefer the idea of sustainable farmed. Salmon however may have
> > issues there?
> >
> I have certain issues with farmed, but I'd rather improve farming
> practices than have wild populations over fished to the point of
> extinction.

Agreed. I get farmed catfish all the time. I have not heard that they
have created any environmental issues and they taste well enough to me.

Catfish aren't endangered but it simply makes sense to help out with
fisheries learning how o get it right, by eating farm fished items.



--

wrote in rec.food.cooking:

> On Mon, 21 Mar 2016 18:12:23 -0500, "cshenk" > wrote:
>
> > sf wrote in rec.food.cooking:
> >
> >> On Sun, 20 Mar 2016 15:18:47 -0500, "cshenk" >
> wrote: >>
> >> > The only time I tried wild duck, I didnt like it. I am sure some
> >> > purists will find that odd but i like the domestically raised
> sorts. >>
> >> Agree about that, I prefer farmed salmon too.
> >
> > I prefer the idea of sustainable farmed. Salmon however may have
> > issues there?
> >
> > Carol
>
> They rarely raise farm salmon inland, instead they have nets offshore.
> Salmon frequently escape and are free to spawn with natural born
> salmon, so don't refer to farmed salmon as 'sustainable' - they
> can/will likely be the end of wild, natural salmon.

Yes, I know. That seems to be a problem. I am hoping they solve it.
Their mere mating with wild salmon however isnt a problem.

--

cshenk wrote:
> wrote in rec.food.cooking:
>
>> On Mon, 21 Mar 2016 18:12:23 -0500, "cshenk" > wrote:
>>
>> > sf wrote in rec.food.cooking:
>> >
>> >> On Sun, 20 Mar 2016 15:18:47 -0500, "cshenk" >
>> wrote: >>
>> >> > The only time I tried wild duck, I didnt like it. I am sure some
>> >> > purists will find that odd but i like the domestically raised
>> sorts. >>
>> >> Agree about that, I prefer farmed salmon too.
>> >
>> > I prefer the idea of sustainable farmed. Salmon however may have
>> > issues there?
>> >
>> > Carol
>>
>> They rarely raise farm salmon inland, instead they have nets offshore.
>> Salmon frequently escape and are free to spawn with natural born
>> salmon, so don't refer to farmed salmon as 'sustainable' - they
>> can/will likely be the end of wild, natural salmon.
>
> Yes, I know. That seems to be a problem. I am hoping they solve it.
> Their mere mating with wild salmon however isnt a problem.

they have GMO salmon now

not sure if they're in farms yet, but they will be, and some will escape

On Tue, 22 Mar 2016 19:02:56 -0500, "cshenk" > wrote:

wrote in rec.food.cooking:
>
>> On Mon, 21 Mar 2016 18:12:23 -0500, "cshenk" > wrote:
>>
>> > sf wrote in rec.food.cooking:
>> >
>> >> On Sun, 20 Mar 2016 15:18:47 -0500, "cshenk" >
>> wrote: >>
>> >> > The only time I tried wild duck, I didnt like it. I am sure some
>> >> > purists will find that odd but i like the domestically raised
>> sorts. >>
>> >> Agree about that, I prefer farmed salmon too.
>> >
>> > I prefer the idea of sustainable farmed. Salmon however may have
>> > issues there?
>> >
>> > Carol
>>
>> They rarely raise farm salmon inland, instead they have nets offshore.
>> Salmon frequently escape and are free to spawn with natural born
>> salmon, so don't refer to farmed salmon as 'sustainable' - they
>> can/will likely be the end of wild, natural salmon.
>
>Yes, I know. That seems to be a problem. I am hoping they solve it.
>Their mere mating with wild salmon however isnt a problem.

It is a part of the problem, said by persons who know more than you.
'hoping' they will solve the farming problem, won't save the salmon.

On Wed, 23 Mar 2016 06:51:30 -0300, wrote:

>On Tue, 22 Mar 2016 19:02:56 -0500, "cshenk" > wrote:
>
wrote in rec.food.cooking:
>>
>>> They rarely raise farm salmon inland, instead they have nets offshore.
>>> Salmon frequently escape and are free to spawn with natural born
>>> salmon, so don't refer to farmed salmon as 'sustainable' - they
>>> can/will likely be the end of wild, natural salmon.
>>
>>Yes, I know. That seems to be a problem. I am hoping they solve it.
>>Their mere mating with wild salmon however isnt a problem.
>
>It is a part of the problem, said by persons who know more than you.

Interesting discussion technique.

--
Bruce

wrote:
>
> On Tue, 22 Mar 2016 19:02:56 -0500, "cshenk" > wrote:
>
> wrote in rec.food.cooking:
> >
> >> On Mon, 21 Mar 2016 18:12:23 -0500, "cshenk" > wrote:
> >>
> >> > sf wrote in rec.food.cooking:
> >> >
> >> >> On Sun, 20 Mar 2016 15:18:47 -0500, "cshenk" >
> >> wrote: >>
> >> >> > The only time I tried wild duck, I didnt like it. I am sure some
> >> >> > purists will find that odd but i like the domestically raised
> >> sorts. >>
> >> >> Agree about that, I prefer farmed salmon too.
> >> >
> >> > I prefer the idea of sustainable farmed. Salmon however may have
> >> > issues there?
> >> >
> >> > Carol
> >>
> >> They rarely raise farm salmon inland, instead they have nets offshore.
> >> Salmon frequently escape and are free to spawn with natural born
> >> salmon, so don't refer to farmed salmon as 'sustainable' - they
> >> can/will likely be the end of wild, natural salmon.
> >
> >Yes, I know. That seems to be a problem. I am hoping they solve it.
> >Their mere mating with wild salmon however isnt a problem.
>
> It is a part of the problem, said by persons who know more than you.
> 'hoping' they will solve the farming problem, won't save the salmon.

Us eating salmon won't help to save them either. ;-)