On 8/7/2014 6:01 AM, Ophelia wrote:

> Not sure just how badly frosted your freezer is, but my chest freezer is
> not auto defrost and when I want to defrost it, I pack all the stuff
> into boxes and use the hairdryer. It melts pretty fast and is easy to
> scrape down.

The day before we were getting married, I had to defrost the
crappy freezer compartment in our apartment refrigerator.
Thankless chore. I'd gotten away with chipping at the ice
before, after using pots of hot water. Whatever, I've blocked
it from my memory.

PSSSSSSSSSST. I punctured the freon line. Just what you need
when you barely have two nickels to rub together as it is. We
had to cough up like $75 for a replacement refrigerator, the
complex must have been used to fixing them.

Fast forward a couple of weeks. We had a bicycle in the
apartment. PSSSSSSSSSSSSSSST. I Didn't Do It! Heh.
Oh, the bike tire just decided to spring a leak. Which
seems weird by itself, but I had a little moment of panic.

I would never buy anything but frost free. Hell no, that
or an oven that isn't self cleaning.

nancy

"Nancy Young" > wrote in message
...
> On 8/7/2014 6:01 AM, Ophelia wrote:
>
>> Not sure just how badly frosted your freezer is, but my chest freezer is
>> not auto defrost and when I want to defrost it, I pack all the stuff
>> into boxes and use the hairdryer. It melts pretty fast and is easy to
>> scrape down.
>
> The day before we were getting married, I had to defrost the
> crappy freezer compartment in our apartment refrigerator.
> Thankless chore. I'd gotten away with chipping at the ice
> before, after using pots of hot water. Whatever, I've blocked
> it from my memory.

> PSSSSSSSSSST. I punctured the freon line. Just what you need
> when you barely have two nickels to rub together as it is. We
> had to cough up like $75 for a replacement refrigerator, the
> complex must have been used to fixing them.

Oh dear !!! What were you chipping the ice off with? I use a wooden
spatula and when the ice melts (using the hairdryer) it come off with very
little effort. Just need to ease it off a bit)


> Fast forward a couple of weeks. We had a bicycle in the
> apartment. PSSSSSSSSSSSSSSST. I Didn't Do It! Heh.
> Oh, the bike tire just decided to spring a leak. Which
> seems weird by itself, but I had a little moment of panic.

Oh dear ... lolol sorry!!! Of course you didn't do it dear ... we all
recognise that .. don't we girls and boys ;p


> I would never buy anything but frost free. Hell no, that
> or an oven that isn't self cleaning.

I have a small under counter freezer in the kitchen which is frost free,
because I am in and out of it fairly regularly, but the chest freezer ... no
way would I have frost free! I just don't want that defrosting regularly no
matter now minimally.

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On 8/7/2014 5:26 AM, Ophelia wrote:
>
>
> "Janet Wilder" > wrote in message

>
>> I need to do it, actually. I'm back on steroids as my platelets were
>> too low on Tuesday for chemo, so I might as well use the artificial
>> energy and the hot weather to get it done.
>
> Yes indeed! Good luck for the next round!!! Steroids are fearsome
> things but I have to take them often too because I have severe asthma.
> I have no idea what they do to my platelets though. I am grateful I
> don't need to find out!
>
>
They do raise the platelet count. If you are taking steroids, make sure
you take extra calcium and eat calcium-rich foods. The steroids will
leach calcium from your bones.

I saw several notations on web sites that coconut water also will raise
platelets, so I bought some. I don't care for the taste at all. I don't
mind the mild coconut flavor but there is a sort of sweet taste that I
don't like. I have some of those little tubes that you use to flavored
bottled water, so I'll measure out the coconut water and add some of
that stuff to mask the taste.

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On 8/7/2014 6:44 AM, Ophelia wrote:

> I have a small under counter freezer in the kitchen which is frost free,
> because I am in and out of it fairly regularly, but the chest freezer
> ... no
> way would I have frost free! I just don't want that defrosting
> regularly no
> matter now minimally.
>

Defrosting the freezer chest is also inventory time. Half the time I
have no idea what's in there. :-)
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From somewhere very deep in the heart of Texas

On 8/7/2014 7:44 AM, Ophelia wrote:
>
>
> "Nancy Young" > wrote

>> The day before we were getting married, I had to defrost the
>> crappy freezer compartment in our apartment refrigerator.
>> Thankless chore. I'd gotten away with chipping at the ice
>> before, after using pots of hot water. Whatever, I've blocked
>> it from my memory.
>
>> PSSSSSSSSSST. I punctured the freon line. Just what you need
>> when you barely have two nickels to rub together as it is. We
>> had to cough up like $75 for a replacement refrigerator, the
>> complex must have been used to fixing them.
>
> Oh dear !!! What were you chipping the ice off with?

It was so long ago. All I know is that I was in a hurry.
Doesn't excuse my method.

> I use a wooden
> spatula and when the ice melts (using the hairdryer) it come off with very
> little effort. Just need to ease it off a bit)

>> Fast forward a couple of weeks. We had a bicycle in the
>> apartment. PSSSSSSSSSSSSSSST. I Didn't Do It! Heh.
>> Oh, the bike tire just decided to spring a leak. Which
>> seems weird by itself, but I had a little moment of panic.
>
> Oh dear ... lolol sorry!!! Of course you didn't do it dear ... we all
> recognise that .. don't we girls and boys ;p

(laugh) I never heard of a tire just springing a leak like
that. A slow leak, of course. But just to burst, no.

>> I would never buy anything but frost free. Hell no, that
>> or an oven that isn't self cleaning.
>
> I have a small under counter freezer in the kitchen which is frost free,
> because I am in and out of it fairly regularly, but the chest freezer
> ... no
> way would I have frost free! I just don't want that defrosting
> regularly no matter now minimally.

I don't mind climbing a ladder to paint a house. Moving
a gazillion wheelbarrows of mulch, I'll do that. I am not
defrosting a freezer. I hate it that much.

nancy

"Janet Wilder" > wrote in message
b.com...
> On 8/7/2014 5:26 AM, Ophelia wrote:
>>
>>
>> "Janet Wilder" > wrote in message
>
>>
>>> I need to do it, actually. I'm back on steroids as my platelets were
>>> too low on Tuesday for chemo, so I might as well use the artificial
>>> energy and the hot weather to get it done.
>>
>> Yes indeed! Good luck for the next round!!! Steroids are fearsome
>> things but I have to take them often too because I have severe asthma.
>> I have no idea what they do to my platelets though. I am grateful I
>> don't need to find out!
>>
>>
> They do raise the platelet count. If you are taking steroids, make sure
> you take extra calcium and eat calcium-rich foods. The steroids will
> leach calcium from your bones.

Thanks I have Alendronic acid tabs for my bones because I've been on
steroids for years.


>
> I saw several notations on web sites that coconut water also will raise
> platelets, so I bought some. I don't care for the taste at all. I don't
> mind the mild coconut flavor but there is a sort of sweet taste that I
> don't like. I have some of those little tubes that you use to flavored
> bottled water, so I'll measure out the coconut water and add some of that
> stuff to mask the taste.

I don't like the smell of it much either. We've just been down to England
to stay with eldest grand daughter for a few days and she uses coconut stuff
a lot. I noticed she even has box of dehydrated stuff to turn into milk!
Heh her shower, shampoo and handwash stuff were all coconut and I was
pleased we had taken our own

Fingers crossed that stuff works for you!


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"Janet Wilder" > wrote in message
b.com...
> On 8/7/2014 6:44 AM, Ophelia wrote:
>
>> I have a small under counter freezer in the kitchen which is frost free,
>> because I am in and out of it fairly regularly, but the chest freezer
>> ... no
>> way would I have frost free! I just don't want that defrosting
>> regularly no
>> matter now minimally.
>>
>
> Defrosting the freezer chest is also inventory time. Half the time I have
> no idea what's in there. :-)

lol ask me how I know 'exactly' what you mean))


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"Nancy Young" > wrote in message
...

>>> Fast forward a couple of weeks. We had a bicycle in the
>>> apartment. PSSSSSSSSSSSSSSST. I Didn't Do It! Heh.
>>> Oh, the bike tire just decided to spring a leak. Which
>>> seems weird by itself, but I had a little moment of panic.
>>
>> Oh dear ... lolol sorry!!! Of course you didn't do it dear ... we all
>> recognise that .. don't we girls and boys ;p
>
> (laugh) I never heard of a tire just springing a leak like
> that. A slow leak, of course. But just to burst, no.

Are you sure you weren't looking daggers at it ... ?


>>> I would never buy anything but frost free. Hell no, that
>>> or an oven that isn't self cleaning.
>>
>> I have a small under counter freezer in the kitchen which is frost free,
>> because I am in and out of it fairly regularly, but the chest freezer
>> ... no
>> way would I have frost free! I just don't want that defrosting
>> regularly no matter now minimally.
>
> I don't mind climbing a ladder to paint a house. Moving
> a gazillion wheelbarrows of mulch, I'll do that. I am not
> defrosting a freezer. I hate it that much.

To each his/her own) Tell you what? You come paint my house and I will
defrost your freezer <g>

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"sf" > wrote in message
...
> On Wed, 06 Aug 2014 14:24:12 -0500, Moe DeLoughan >
> wrote:
>
>> Thing is, I *hate* defrosting the freezer (my hands are
>> very sensitive to cold temperatures, so it is painful, even when
>> gloved), yet I opted for it because of the annual cost savings. I just
>> couldn't justify paying that price for not having to periodically
>> unpack/clean/repack the freezer.
>
> Have you ever thought about wearing gloves when you move frozen food?
>

my guess, from reading the post, is yes.

Moe DeLoughan wrote:
>
> Thing is, I *hate* defrosting the freezer (my hands are
> very sensitive to cold temperatures, so it is painful, even when
> gloved), yet I opted for it because of the annual cost savings. I just
> couldn't justify paying that price for not having to periodically
> unpack/clean/repack the freezer.

Modern frost free refrigeration is more fuel efficient than units
needing defrosting... as ice builds they become very INefficient.

On Thu, 07 Aug 2014 07:06:39 -0400, Nancy Young
> wrote:

>On 8/7/2014 6:01 AM, Ophelia wrote:
>
>> Not sure just how badly frosted your freezer is, but my chest freezer is
>> not auto defrost and when I want to defrost it, I pack all the stuff
>> into boxes and use the hairdryer. It melts pretty fast and is easy to
>> scrape down.
>
>The day before we were getting married, I had to defrost the
>crappy freezer compartment in our apartment refrigerator.
>Thankless chore. I'd gotten away with chipping at the ice
>before, after using pots of hot water. Whatever, I've blocked
>it from my memory.
>
>PSSSSSSSSSST. I punctured the freon line. Just what you need
>when you barely have two nickels to rub together as it is. We
>had to cough up like $75 for a replacement refrigerator, the
>complex must have been used to fixing them.
>
>Fast forward a couple of weeks. We had a bicycle in the
>apartment. PSSSSSSSSSSSSSSST. I Didn't Do It! Heh.
>Oh, the bike tire just decided to spring a leak. Which
>seems weird by itself, but I had a little moment of panic.
>
>I would never buy anything but frost free. Hell no, that
>or an oven that isn't self cleaning.
>
>nancy

What's the connection between bicycles and refrigerators?

Janet Wilder wrote:
>
>Defrosting the freezer chest is also inventory time. Half the time I
>have no idea what's in there. :-)

Just proves you don't need the extra freezer... I think most people
are no different... they end up tossing more value in food than what
they think they save by stocking up on sale items. People with extra
freezers grew up poor so have a depression mentality... ascared
they'll run out of food and have to go to bed hungry. No one in the
US needs to stock up on perishables, there are sales every day... I'd
rather my extra cash in an interest bearing account then in a freezer,
and avail myself of the stupidmarket freezer to hold my food until I
need it... let them pay the utility and service bills... you're paying
the market's expenses anyway at the checkout, paying twice makes for a
pinhead.
No one in the US who lives within 50 miles of a stupidmarket needs a
stand alone freezer... probably stuffed with cheapo burger buns
anyway.

Nancy Young wrote:
>
>I never heard of a tire just springing a leak like
>that. A slow leak, of course. But just to burst, no.

To suddenly go flat is very typical of tube type tires. When you
store your bycycle it's best to hang it so the tires aren't on the
ground, and then let most of the air out.
It's very rare for bicycle tires to have a slow leak unless it's a
loosened/damaged valve stem valve. The valve is the first thing to
check on tube type tires, and it's a good idea to replace those valves
with new at least every 2-3 years.... and keep a couple of spare
valves in your bicycle tool kit, with valve wrench... it pays to have
at least one valve stem capped with a valve wrench type cap, even with
tubeless tires. I keep a couple of valve wrench caps in my car's
glove compartment, left on the tire they're the first thing your auto
mechanic will steal when you bring it for service.

On Thu, 7 Aug 2014 00:10:00 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:

>
> "sf" > wrote in message
> ...
> > On Wed, 06 Aug 2014 14:24:12 -0500, Moe DeLoughan >
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Thing is, I *hate* defrosting the freezer (my hands are
> >> very sensitive to cold temperatures, so it is painful, even when
> >> gloved), yet I opted for it because of the annual cost savings. I just
> >> couldn't justify paying that price for not having to periodically
> >> unpack/clean/repack the freezer.
> >
> > Have you ever thought about wearing gloves when you move frozen food?
>
> Have you ever thought about reading all of the words? He said, "even when
> gloved".

It was just a whine from him. If defrosting is such a problem, then
he wouldn't have a freezer he needs to defrost.

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On 8/7/2014 7:51 AM, Ophelia wrote:
>
>
> "Janet Wilder" > wrote in message
> b.com...
>> On 8/7/2014 5:26 AM, Ophelia wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> "Janet Wilder" > wrote in message
>>
>>>
>>>> I need to do it, actually. I'm back on steroids as my platelets were
>>>> too low on Tuesday for chemo, so I might as well use the artificial
>>>> energy and the hot weather to get it done.
>>>
>>> Yes indeed! Good luck for the next round!!! Steroids are fearsome
>>> things but I have to take them often too because I have severe asthma.
>>> I have no idea what they do to my platelets though. I am grateful I
>>> don't need to find out!
>>>
>>>
>> They do raise the platelet count. If you are taking steroids, make
>> sure you take extra calcium and eat calcium-rich foods. The steroids
>> will leach calcium from your bones.
>
> Thanks I have Alendronic acid tabs for my bones because I've been on
> steroids for years.
>
>
>>
>> I saw several notations on web sites that coconut water also will
>> raise platelets, so I bought some. I don't care for the taste at all.
>> I don't mind the mild coconut flavor but there is a sort of sweet
>> taste that I don't like. I have some of those little tubes that you
>> use to flavored bottled water, so I'll measure out the coconut water
>> and add some of that stuff to mask the taste.
>
> I don't like the smell of it much either. We've just been down to
> England to stay with eldest grand daughter for a few days and she uses
> coconut stuff a lot. I noticed she even has box of dehydrated stuff to
> turn into milk! Heh her shower, shampoo and handwash stuff were all
> coconut and I was pleased we had taken our own
>
> Fingers crossed that stuff works for you!
>
>
Thanks, O.

--
From somewhere very deep in the heart of Texas

On 8/7/2014 9:05 AM, Brooklyn1 wrote:
> Janet Wilder wrote:
>>
>> Defrosting the freezer chest is also inventory time. Half the time I
>> have no idea what's in there. :-)
>
> Just proves you don't need the extra freezer... I think most people
> are no different... they end up tossing more value in food than what
> they think they save by stocking up on sale items. People with extra
> freezers grew up poor so have a depression mentality... ascared
> they'll run out of food and have to go to bed hungry. No one in the
> US needs to stock up on perishables, there are sales every day... I'd
> rather my extra cash in an interest bearing account then in a freezer,
> and avail myself of the stupidmarket freezer to hold my food until I
> need it... let them pay the utility and service bills... you're paying
> the market's expenses anyway at the checkout, paying twice makes for a
> pinhead.
> No one in the US who lives within 50 miles of a stupidmarket needs a
> stand alone freezer... probably stuffed with cheapo burger buns
> anyway.
>

First he tells me where not to live, then he tells me what not to own...

--
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"Janet Wilder" > wrote in message
b.com...
> On 8/7/2014 9:05 AM, Brooklyn1 wrote:
>> Janet Wilder wrote:
>>>
>>> Defrosting the freezer chest is also inventory time. Half the time I
>>> have no idea what's in there. :-)
>>
>> Just proves you don't need the extra freezer... I think most people
>> are no different... they end up tossing more value in food than what
>> they think they save by stocking up on sale items. People with extra
>> freezers grew up poor so have a depression mentality... ascared
>> they'll run out of food and have to go to bed hungry. No one in the
>> US needs to stock up on perishables, there are sales every day... I'd
>> rather my extra cash in an interest bearing account then in a freezer,
>> and avail myself of the stupidmarket freezer to hold my food until I
>> need it... let them pay the utility and service bills... you're paying
>> the market's expenses anyway at the checkout, paying twice makes for a
>> pinhead.
>> No one in the US who lives within 50 miles of a stupidmarket needs a
>> stand alone freezer... probably stuffed with cheapo burger buns
>> anyway.
>>
>
> First he tells me where not to live, then he tells me what not to own...


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On 8/7/2014 10:56 AM, sf wrote:
> On Thu, 7 Aug 2014 00:10:00 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> > wrote:
>
>>
>> "sf" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> On Wed, 06 Aug 2014 14:24:12 -0500, Moe DeLoughan >
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Thing is, I *hate* defrosting the freezer (my hands are
>>>> very sensitive to cold temperatures, so it is painful, even when
>>>> gloved), yet I opted for it because of the annual cost savings. I just
>>>> couldn't justify paying that price for not having to periodically
>>>> unpack/clean/repack the freezer.
>>>
>>> Have you ever thought about wearing gloves when you move frozen food?
>>
>> Have you ever thought about reading all of the words? He said, "even when
>> gloved".
>
> It was just a whine from him. If defrosting is such a problem, then
> he wouldn't have a freezer he needs to defrost.
>

Actually, it's an indicator of how cheap I am. I'm prepared to suffer
through the defrosting to save money. A previous poster showed more
current energy usage comparisons between a frost-free and a manual
defrost model. The savings in that case was so minor, I'd have opted
for the frost-free, too. It's good to see that they're becoming more
efficient as time goes by.