In the interest of full disclosure, I've recently asked about convection
toaster ovens, range hood microwaves, and I'm not sure what all else,
but I'm back with one more - even though we've changed absolutely
nothing about our kitchen yet. I appreciate the advice and opinions
I've received here, and eventually, I guess, we'll either do a bunch of
these things at once or pick one of them and start with that.

Refrigerators - below is a $1500 and a $500 model:

http://www.lg.com/us/refrigerators/l...r-refrigerator -
$1500


http://www.homedepot.com/p/t/2035229...ctId=203522982 - $500

I'm not doubting the more expensive one is better, but how, please, is
it worth 3 times the cost? We have never owned anything other than a
plain 'fridge, freezer on top, never had an automatic ice maker and I'm
happy that way, etc.

Thanks in advance for your replies.

-S-

This isn't a reply about refrigerators, but if you are truly
remodeling I can thoroughly recommend a trash compactor. It
takes up the same space as a dedicated waste bin and for a family
of four only needs emptying once a week. I have always had
difficulty understanding why everyone doesn't have one. They are
well worth the cost.

Another piece of advice. If you have room for an island put a
sink in it. All you need is something small. When preparing
food it's great to be able to brush the waste from your cutting
board straight into the sink.

http://www.richardfisher.com

On 8/19/2013 11:22 AM, Steve Freides wrote:

> Refrigerators - below is a $1500 and a $500 model:
>
> http://www.lg.com/us/refrigerators/l...r-refrigerator -
> $1500
>
>
> http://www.homedepot.com/p/t/2035229...ctId=203522982 - $500
>
> I'm not doubting the more expensive one is better, but how, please, is
> it worth 3 times the cost? We have never owned anything other than a
> plain 'fridge, freezer on top, never had an automatic ice maker and I'm
> happy that way, etc.
>
> Thanks in advance for your replies.
>
> -S-
>
Our "second" fridge is pretty much the same as the $500 model. It keeps
thing cold, but unevenlyh. If not careful, some items will freeze. It
is basic, it keeps stuff cold.

We have a better Kitchen Aid that keeps things more venlyh
refrigerated, has an ice maker, water dispenser and th ings we really
like and use a lot. The materials are more durable, the shelves are
better made, etc.

The model you show has three doors, better ventilation and probably
other features that you may or may not like or need. Is it worth 3X?
Probably not but that is how the system works on higher priced goods.

In article >,
Helpful person > wrote:
>This isn't a reply about refrigerators, but if you are truly
>remodeling I can thoroughly recommend a trash compactor. It
>takes up the same space as a dedicated waste bin and for a family
>of four only needs emptying once a week. I have always had
>difficulty understanding why everyone doesn't have one. They are
>well worth the cost.

I don't think I could lift a week's worth of trash. And doesn't
it smell? I empty my trash every couple of days.

>Another piece of advice. If you have room for an island put a
>sink in it. All you need is something small. When preparing
>food it's great to be able to brush the waste from your cutting
>board straight into the sink.

Provided it's close enough to a vent stack.

Cindy Hamilton
--

On Mon, 19 Aug 2013 11:22:38 -0400, "Steve Freides" >
wrote:

> In the interest of full disclosure, I've recently asked about convection
> toaster ovens, range hood microwaves, and I'm not sure what all else,
> but I'm back with one more - even though we've changed absolutely
> nothing about our kitchen yet. I appreciate the advice and opinions
> I've received here, and eventually, I guess, we'll either do a bunch of
> these things at once or pick one of them and start with that.
>
> Refrigerators - below is a $1500 and a $500 model:
>
> http://www.lg.com/us/refrigerators/l...r-refrigerator -
> $1500
>
>
> http://www.homedepot.com/p/t/2035229...ctId=203522982 - $500
>
> I'm not doubting the more expensive one is better, but how, please, is
> it worth 3 times the cost? We have never owned anything other than a
> plain 'fridge, freezer on top, never had an automatic ice maker and I'm
> happy that way, etc.
>
> Thanks in advance for your replies.
>

I think a comparison would be more objective if you compared like
manufacturers. Their 16 cu ft single door model is $600+ / it has 3
vegetable bins plus a shallow "pizza" drawer that spans the width.
Too bad they don't come in a larger capacity with a bottom freezer.

I know which side of the refrigerator whatever I'm looking for is
stored on, so it would be nice not to lose so much refrigerated air
every time I open the door, so I was happy when I found out LG finally
came out with a 30 inch 3 door model.

Fortunately, the floor model I looked at was situated in a way that
the neighboring floor model jutted out slightly. That was when I
finally realized a french door configuration wouldn't work for me
because my refrigerator is set into a wall and a counter obstructs one
side where door should be swinging wide open.

--
Food is an important part of a balanced diet.

Steve Freides wrote:
> Thanks in advance for your replies.
>in closing, id like to say *SPNAK* on wertz for lying about him ever
>having a job, and about my place of employment. oh yeah, im still
>waiting for those complaints to whoever i work for to roll in
>sqwertzy... my boss hasnt heard anything either. *pout* i want my
>complaints!!!1!

Well, see, I'm not the kind that goes around calling Harte-Hanks in
Austin, where you work doing temporary xbox support for the holidays,
to try and get people fired; I'll leave that up to all the other
people you've ****ed on, or will **** on, over the years here in
Austin. I promised a.u.k I'd submit you into the Nationals for
official recognition of the state of kookdom, so here you go.

Thank you for shopping with us, and have a nice holiday.

-sw

Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> Just took another look. For $500 you get a ONE year warranty for everything.
New Mandarin Chinese Restaurant
Category: Chinese
Neighborhoods: 78704 (South Austin), Travis Heights
1.0 star rating 8/6/2010
I was overcharged the exact same amount for the same total as the March
reviewer of this same restaurant. I even started a thread the night I
got home with the food:

http://www.yelp.com/topi…

This place is totally evil. They apparently have some sort of
overcharging scam going on. And that is all beside the fact that it was
simply the worst takeout food I've ever eaten, regardless of my takeout
container rant. As one poster put it, highly Americanized overly
sweet... [crap, IMO].

I'm not one to post haphazard bad reviews as you can see from my
previous record. But THIS place deserves to die a slow, miserable
death, and I doubt they'd care. And I sure don't plan on patronizing it
in the meantime.

Come to think of it, those two strip malls (including the one behind it)
need to be demolished. Whoa! But not before I visit that new sexy
lingerie and toy store!

-sw

On 8/19/2013 12:06 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 8/19/2013 11:22 AM, Steve Freides wrote:
>
>> Refrigerators - below is a $1500 and a $500 model:
>>
>> http://www.lg.com/us/refrigerators/l...r-refrigerator
>> -
>> $1500
>>
>>
>> http://www.homedepot.com/p/t/2035229...ctId=203522982 - $500
>>
>> I'm not doubting the more expensive one is better, but how, please, is
>> it worth 3 times the cost? We have never owned anything other than a
>> plain 'fridge, freezer on top, never had an automatic ice maker and I'm
>> happy that way, etc.
>>
>> Thanks in advance for your replies.
>>
>> -S-

Just took another look. For $500 you get a ONE year warranty for
everything. For big bucks, you get a SEVEN year warranty on the sealed
system. Check the price of an extended warranty and figure that into the
price difference.

One is Energy Star compliant and cheaper to operate of the life.
Freezer drawers add to the cost. Door alarm is nice to have.

According to reviews, the cheap one cannot take a 2 liter soda bottle on
the door.

I have no idea of the reliability of LG appliances. Frigidaire is not
what they used to be many years ago. Ever since GM spun them off it has
been a slow decline.

You are getting more for you money, the question though, is it of value
to you? I'd buy it as I like the better quality and finer appointments.
Same with my car. I know I paid too much tot get the Limited version,
but I like the leather seats, climate control, backup camera, etc. All
of this stuff is getting off the value per dollar curve though.
Appliances, cameras, golf clubs, does not matter. For every dollar
above the base you get diminishing returns.

I can get to work in a Bentley or a Yugo, but one is more interesting to
drive.

On 8/19/2013 5:22 AM, Steve Freides wrote:
> In the interest of full disclosure, I've recently asked about convection
> toaster ovens, range hood microwaves, and I'm not sure what all else,
> but I'm back with one more - even though we've changed absolutely
> nothing about our kitchen yet. I appreciate the advice and opinions
> I've received here, and eventually, I guess, we'll either do a bunch of
> these things at once or pick one of them and start with that.
>
> Refrigerators - below is a $1500 and a $500 model:
>
> http://www.lg.com/us/refrigerators/l...r-refrigerator -
> $1500
>
>
> http://www.homedepot.com/p/t/2035229...ctId=203522982 - $500
>
> I'm not doubting the more expensive one is better, but how, please, is
> it worth 3 times the cost? We have never owned anything other than a
> plain 'fridge, freezer on top, never had an automatic ice maker and I'm
> happy that way, etc.
>
> Thanks in advance for your replies.
>
> -S-

A refrigerator is worth whatever people are willing to pay so it sure is
worth $1500. $1500 seems to be on the low end for this type of
refrigerator. I paid over $2000 for mine. I probably wouldn't spend that
much on a refrigerator again so you could say that I don't think they're
worth the money. I do like the sliding freezer bin on the bottom. That's
a worth while feature. The ice/water dispenser is not that important a
feature to me although an ice maker is. The led lighting, is useful. I'm
hoping that my next refrigerator will be under $1000.

dsi1 wrote:
> The led lighting, is useful.
WEBTV!!! ROFL!!!!

Bla bla bla, you're so clever. NOT! ROFL! And the webtv reference....
seriously? *You're* making fun of *me* with webtv? Do you not realize that
you have just validated everyone who has laughed at you for it?

One note... you can't lay off the crossdressing stuff in your lame attempt
at humor. You got caught on it already, and we all know about it, and "I
know you are but what am I" doesn't fix it.

Now **** off and die, you phony little pussy, and next time you decide to
start flinging shit at people outside your own back yard, try to prepare
your freeble little mind for the fact that you need to be willing to take
what you dish out, because someone may do the same thing back at you. If
you're going to keep being a pussy who wants to give shit but screams like a
sissy baby when you get it back, you'll just spend your sad little life
going through episodes like this where your true nature is revealed to all.

I'm done with you now, shithead. That is, unless you want more.

And unless you decide to resume making personal attacks on people who are
trying to discuss reasonable things. A little good natured banter between
rivals is fine, but you cannot seem to understand why it's offensive to
invade other forums and turn on a tirade of hateful personal attacks on
individuals. So if you go that route again, I'll be back on your ass, with
Goatboy, Ronald, and a bunch more tasty morsels. And go ahead and post all
the stupid shit you want in the Chiefs forums... you're not getting any
action because they are too smart to take your juvenile bait.... and
besides, yuou're just not funny.

Now please refrain from being an asshole and I will do the same.... or not,
your choice.

Besides, I can be a much bigger asshole than you when provoked, so do the
smart thing while you have this one opportunity at a truce.

MBKC

"Steve Freides" wrote in message ...

In the interest of full disclosure, I've recently asked about convection
toaster ovens, range hood microwaves, and I'm not sure what all else,
but I'm back with one more - even though we've changed absolutely
nothing about our kitchen yet. I appreciate the advice and opinions
I've received here, and eventually, I guess, we'll either do a bunch of
these things at once or pick one of them and start with that.

Refrigerators - below is a $1500 and a $500 model:

http://www.lg.com/us/refrigerators/l...r-refrigerator
-
$1500


http://www.homedepot.com/p/t/2035229...ctId=203522982 - $500

I'm not doubting the more expensive one is better, but how, please, is
it worth 3 times the cost? We have never owned anything other than a
plain 'fridge, freezer on top, never had an automatic ice maker and I'm
happy that way, etc.

Thanks in advance for your replies.

-S-

~~~~~~~~
I have a 3-drawer model (French doors with freezer on the bottom), and I
love it. I do like being able to open one-half of the fridge part for most
items, and I like having an automatic ice dispenser. However, the most
important feature for me is that the freezer is on the bottom. I use the
refrigerator part far more often than the freezer. I have developed some
back problems, and the refrigerator on top means that I do not have to bend
over so often to find the items that get daily use. The pull-out freezer is
easy to use, and the old-style with the freezer on the top meant that I had
a lot of back pain when I had to bend over so far to try to find food on the
lower level. This may not be a problem for you, but I even like the
convenience (in addition to the medical issue) of being able to easily see
all of the non-freezer food items.

MaryL

On Monday, August 19, 2013 12:13:20 PM UTC-4, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> In article >,
>
> Helpful person > wrote:
>
> >This isn't a reply about refrigerators, but if you are truly
>
> >remodeling I can thoroughly recommend a trash compactor. It
>
> >takes up the same space as a dedicated waste bin and for a family
>
> >of four only needs emptying once a week. I have always had
>
> >difficulty understanding why everyone doesn't have one. They are
>
> >well worth the cost.
>
>
>
> I don't think I could lift a week's worth of trash. And doesn't
>
> it smell? I empty my trash every couple of days.
>
>
>
> >Another piece of advice. If you have room for an island put a
>
> >sink in it. All you need is something small. When preparing
>
> >food it's great to be able to brush the waste from your cutting
>
> >board straight into the sink.
>
>
>
> Provided it's close enough to a vent stack.
>

My trash compactor is emptied about every. 3 months. That's because I only put dry, non-food items in it which can't be recycled. So it's full of things like cellophane, tinfoil, soft plastic bags stuff like prunes come in. We also empty the other wastebaskets from other rooms into it. Just stuff like
tissue, foil wrap etc which can't be recycled. I could live without it, for sure, but it came with the house and so far I can still find compactor bags.

"Steve Freides" wrote:
>
>In the interest of full disclosure, I've recently asked about convection
>toaster ovens, range hood microwaves, and I'm not sure what all else,
>but I'm back with one more - even though we've changed absolutely
>nothing about our kitchen yet. I appreciate the advice and opinions
>I've received here, and eventually, I guess, we'll either do a bunch of
>these things at once or pick one of them and start with that.
>
>Refrigerators - below is a $1500 and a $500 model:
>
>http://www.lg.com/us/refrigerators/l...r-refrigerator -
>$1500
>
>http://www.homedepot.com/p/t/2035229...ctId=203522982 - $500
>
>I'm not doubting the more expensive one is better, but how, please, is
>it worth 3 times the cost?

If you have to ask then you'll never understand the explanation.

In article >,
Kalmia > wrote:
>
>My trash compactor is emptied about every. 3 months. That's because I only=
> put dry, non-food items in it which can't be recycled. So it's full of th=
>ings like cellophane, tinfoil, soft plastic bags stuff like prunes come in.=
> We also empty the other wastebaskets from other rooms into it. Just stuf=
>f like=20
>tissue, foil wrap etc which can't be recycled. I could live without it, fo=
>r sure, but it came with the house and so far I can still find compactor ba=
>gs.

I see our habits are different.

Everything that isn't recyclable (paper, most plastic, clear glass, a few other
things that hardly bear mentioning--e.g., I can recycle pots and pans,
but how often is that really desirable?) goes in my trash can.

Cindy Hamilton
--

MaryL wrote:
> This may not be a problem for you, but I even like the convenience (in
> addition to the medical issue) of being able to easily see all of the
> non-freezer food items.
WEBTV!!! ROFL!!!!

Bla bla bla, you're so clever. NOT! ROFL! And the webtv reference....
seriously? *You're* making fun of *me* with webtv? Do you not realize that
you have just validated everyone who has laughed at you for it?

One note... you can't lay off the crossdressing stuff in your lame attempt
at humor. You got caught on it already, and we all know about it, and "I
know you are but what am I" doesn't fix it.

Now **** off and die, you phony little pussy, and next time you decide to
start flinging shit at people outside your own back yard, try to prepare
your freeble little mind for the fact that you need to be willing to take
what you dish out, because someone may do the same thing back at you. If
you're going to keep being a pussy who wants to give shit but screams like a
sissy baby when you get it back, you'll just spend your sad little life
going through episodes like this where your true nature is revealed to all.

I'm done with you now, shithead. That is, unless you want more.

And unless you decide to resume making personal attacks on people who are
trying to discuss reasonable things. A little good natured banter between
rivals is fine, but you cannot seem to understand why it's offensive to
invade other forums and turn on a tirade of hateful personal attacks on
individuals. So if you go that route again, I'll be back on your ass, with
Goatboy, Ronald, and a bunch more tasty morsels. And go ahead and post all
the stupid shit you want in the Chiefs forums... you're not getting any
action because they are too smart to take your juvenile bait.... and
besides, yuou're just not funny.

Now please refrain from being an asshole and I will do the same.... or not,
your choice.

Besides, I can be a much bigger asshole than you when provoked, so do the
smart thing while you have this one opportunity at a truce.

MBKC

"Steve Freides" > wrote in message
...
> In the interest of full disclosure, I've recently asked about convection
> toaster ovens, range hood microwaves, and I'm not sure what all else, but
> I'm back with one more - even though we've changed absolutely nothing
> about our kitchen yet. I appreciate the advice and opinions I've received
> here, and eventually, I guess, we'll either do a bunch of these things at
> once or pick one of them and start with that.
>
> Refrigerators - below is a $1500 and a $500 model:
>
> http://www.lg.com/us/refrigerators/l...r-refrigerator -
> $1500
>
>
> http://www.homedepot.com/p/t/2035229...ctId=203522982 - $500
>
> I'm not doubting the more expensive one is better, but how, please, is it
> worth 3 times the cost? We have never owned anything other than a plain
> 'fridge, freezer on top, never had an automatic ice maker and I'm happy
> that way, etc.
>
> Thanks in advance for your replies.
>
> -S-

I specifically got the LG washer and dryer because they are purported not to
break down as often as some of the others. So far I have had no problems.
There was a recall and they did come out and fix it. Had something to do
with washing waterproof items which I do not do but think I would be pretty
ticked off if I had a toddler with this thing.

Kalmia wrote:
> On Monday, August 19, 2013 12:13:20 PM UTC-4, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>> In article >,
>>
>> Helpful person > wrote:
>>
>>> This isn't a reply about refrigerators, but if you are truly
>>
>>> remodeling I can thoroughly recommend a trash compactor. It
>>
>>> takes up the same space as a dedicated waste bin and for a family
>>
>>> of four only needs emptying once a week. I have always had
>>
>>> difficulty understanding why everyone doesn't have one. They are
>>
>>> well worth the cost.
>>
>>
>>
>> I don't think I could lift a week's worth of trash. And doesn't
>>
>> it smell? I empty my trash every couple of days.
>>
>>
>>
>>> Another piece of advice. If you have room for an island put a
>>
>>> sink in it. All you need is something small. When preparing
>>
>>> food it's great to be able to brush the waste from your cutting
>>
>>> board straight into the sink.
>>
>>
>>
>> Provided it's close enough to a vent stack.
>>
>
> My trash compactor is emptied about every. 3 months. That's because
> I only put dry, non-food items in it which can't be recycled. So
> it's full of things like cellophane, tinfoil, soft plastic bags stuff
> like prunes come in. We also empty the other wastebaskets from other
> rooms into it. Just stuff like
> tissue, foil wrap etc which can't be recycled. I could live without
> it, for sure, but it came with the house and so far I can still find
> compactor bags.

I was wondering about trash compactors the other day. My aunt had one back
in the 1970's and was just thrilled with it. I haven't seen one since nor
have I known anyone else who had one. These days I have more recycling than
anything else. So a compactor wouldn't do much good. I have to pay for
trash pickup whether I put anything out or not.

In article >,
"Steve Freides" > wrote:

> In the interest of full disclosure, I've recently asked about convection
> toaster ovens, range hood microwaves, and I'm not sure what all else,
> but I'm back with one more - even though we've changed absolutely
> nothing about our kitchen yet. I appreciate the advice and opinions
> I've received here, and eventually, I guess, we'll either do a bunch of
> these things at once or pick one of them and start with that.
>
> Refrigerators - below is a $1500 and a $500 model:
>
> http://www.lg.com/us/refrigerators/l...r-refrigerator -
> $1500
>
>
> http://www.homedepot.com/p/t/2035229...ctId=203522982 - $500
>
> I'm not doubting the more expensive one is better, but how, please, is
> it worth 3 times the cost? We have never owned anything other than a
> plain 'fridge, freezer on top, never had an automatic ice maker and I'm
> happy that way, etc.
>

If I wanted an ice maker I would buy a separate unit
Too much trouble plumbing the reefer for water.
Gotta undo the water supply to move the reefer.
If you need an automatic ice maker you need
a lot of ice and you are wasting storage in your freezer.
Look for reliability. I cannot help you there.
My refrigerator blows the defroster heater element
every few years, but is otherwise good. I watched
the repairman change the heater when it first blew
under warranty.

--
Michael Press

In article >,
"Steve Freides" > wrote:

> In the interest of full disclosure, I've recently asked about convection
> toaster ovens, range hood microwaves, and I'm not sure what all else,
> but I'm back with one more - even though we've changed absolutely
> nothing about our kitchen yet. I appreciate the advice and opinions
> I've received here, and eventually, I guess, we'll either do a bunch of
> these things at once or pick one of them and start with that.
>
> Refrigerators - below is a $1500 and a $500 model:
>
> http://www.lg.com/us/refrigerators/l...r-refrigerator -
> $1500

LG is exporting great stuff right now. I have their TV, washer, and dryer.

--
Michael Press

Notwithstanding price, I am a big advocate of freezer-on-the-bottom. Maybe not so much for fridge space vs. freezer space, but for easy accessibility.. I am reaching into my fridge prob. ten times as often as the freezer, and I hate having to reach down into those lower crisper drawers. ( I have a side by side now.)

I have an icemaker, but could live without one. Eventually, it seems to be the first thing to break down and warrant calling the man.

I have two friends who love their French door units, but another hated hers and went back to a side by side. I guess it depends on the type of food storage you require.

My folks were thrilled with any kind of a elec. fridge - after having to put the big "ten cent" sign in the window. Those were the days.

"Steve Freides" > wrote in message
...
> In the interest of full disclosure, I've recently asked about convection
> toaster ovens, range hood microwaves, and I'm not sure what all else, but
> I'm back with one more - even though we've changed absolutely nothing
> about our kitchen yet. I appreciate the advice and opinions I've received
> here, and eventually, I guess, we'll either do a bunch of these things at
> once or pick one of them and start with that.
>
> Refrigerators - below is a $1500 and a $500 model:
>
> http://www.lg.com/us/refrigerators/l...r-refrigerator -
> $1500
>
>
> http://www.homedepot.com/p/t/2035229...ctId=203522982 - $500
>
> I'm not doubting the more expensive one is better, but how, please, is it
> worth 3 times the cost? We have never owned anything other than a plain
> 'fridge, freezer on top, never had an automatic ice maker and I'm happy
> that way, etc.
>
> Thanks in advance for your replies.

I never had a water hookup either. Nor an ice maker. When I bought my 24
CFT Whirlpool in 2007 I went for the option and have been glad I did. I
love having ice in the summer. No store bought bags and no more hacking
chunks off a frozen bag with a rolling pin. As for size, bigger is better.
Deesn't cost any more to operate. At least not that you will notice.

On 8/19/2013 1:43 PM, Paul M. Cook wrote:
>
> I never had a water hookup either. Nor an ice maker. When I bought my 24
> CFT Whirlpool in 2007 I went for the option and have been glad I did. I
> love having ice in the summer. No store bought bags and no more hacking
> chunks off a frozen bag with a rolling pin. As for size, bigger is better.
> Deesn't cost any more to operate. At least not that you will notice.
>
>

An ice maker is a wonderful invention. It is the most important feature
of a refrigerator for me. I did not enjoy filling up ice tray in the
apartment we were renting. What I didn't like even more is people taking
ice out of the trays without refilling them. You go to get some ice and
all you got is empty trays. How inconsiderate!

An ice maker costs about $120 for the kit and is not difficult to fit in
most refrigerators made in the last 20 years since they probably have
the internal plumbing, connectors, and water valve already installed. I
guess the hard part is running a water line to your sink.

Julie Bove wrote:
> I have to pay for
> trash pickup whether I put anything out or not.
>

WEBTV!!! ROFL!!!!

Bla bla bla, you're so clever. NOT! ROFL! And the webtv reference....
seriously? *You're* making fun of *me* with webtv? Do you not realize that
you have just validated everyone who has laughed at you for it?

One note... you can't lay off the crossdressing stuff in your lame attempt
at humor. You got caught on it already, and we all know about it, and "I
know you are but what am I" doesn't fix it.

Now **** off and die, you phony little pussy, and next time you decide to
start flinging shit at people outside your own back yard, try to prepare
your freeble little mind for the fact that you need to be willing to take
what you dish out, because someone may do the same thing back at you. If
you're going to keep being a pussy who wants to give shit but screams like a
sissy baby when you get it back, you'll just spend your sad little life
going through episodes like this where your true nature is revealed to all.

I'm done with you now, shithead. That is, unless you want more.

And unless you decide to resume making personal attacks on people who are
trying to discuss reasonable things. A little good natured banter between
rivals is fine, but you cannot seem to understand why it's offensive to
invade other forums and turn on a tirade of hateful personal attacks on
individuals. So if you go that route again, I'll be back on your ass, with
Goatboy, Ronald, and a bunch more tasty morsels. And go ahead and post all
the stupid shit you want in the Chiefs forums... you're not getting any
action because they are too smart to take your juvenile bait.... and
besides, yuou're just not funny.

Now please refrain from being an asshole and I will do the same.... or not,
your choice.

Besides, I can be a much bigger asshole than you when provoked, so do the
smart thing while you have this one opportunity at a truce.

MBKC

Michael Press wrote:
> I watched
> the repairman change the heater when it first blew
> under warranty.
>
> --
WEBTV!!! ROFL!!!!

Bla bla bla, you're so clever. NOT! ROFL! And the webtv reference....
seriously? *You're* making fun of *me* with webtv? Do you not realize that
you have just validated everyone who has laughed at you for it?

One note... you can't lay off the crossdressing stuff in your lame attempt
at humor. You got caught on it already, and we all know about it, and "I
know you are but what am I" doesn't fix it.

Now **** off and die, you phony little pussy, and next time you decide to
start flinging shit at people outside your own back yard, try to prepare
your freeble little mind for the fact that you need to be willing to take
what you dish out, because someone may do the same thing back at you. If
you're going to keep being a pussy who wants to give shit but screams like a
sissy baby when you get it back, you'll just spend your sad little life
going through episodes like this where your true nature is revealed to all.

I'm done with you now, shithead. That is, unless you want more.

And unless you decide to resume making personal attacks on people who are
trying to discuss reasonable things. A little good natured banter between
rivals is fine, but you cannot seem to understand why it's offensive to
invade other forums and turn on a tirade of hateful personal attacks on
individuals. So if you go that route again, I'll be back on your ass, with
Goatboy, Ronald, and a bunch more tasty morsels. And go ahead and post all
the stupid shit you want in the Chiefs forums... you're not getting any
action because they are too smart to take your juvenile bait.... and
besides, yuou're just not funny.

Now please refrain from being an asshole and I will do the same.... or not,
your choice.

Besides, I can be a much bigger asshole than you when provoked, so do the
smart thing while you have this one opportunity at a truce.

MBKC

Paul M. Cook wrote:
> At least not that you will notice.
>
WEBTV!!! ROFL!!!!

Bla bla bla, you're so clever. NOT! ROFL! And the webtv reference....
seriously? *You're* making fun of *me* with webtv? Do you not realize that
you have just validated everyone who has laughed at you for it?

One note... you can't lay off the crossdressing stuff in your lame attempt
at humor. You got caught on it already, and we all know about it, and "I
know you are but what am I" doesn't fix it.

Now **** off and die, you phony little pussy, and next time you decide to
start flinging shit at people outside your own back yard, try to prepare
your freeble little mind for the fact that you need to be willing to take
what you dish out, because someone may do the same thing back at you. If
you're going to keep being a pussy who wants to give shit but screams like a
sissy baby when you get it back, you'll just spend your sad little life
going through episodes like this where your true nature is revealed to all.

I'm done with you now, shithead. That is, unless you want more.

And unless you decide to resume making personal attacks on people who are
trying to discuss reasonable things. A little good natured banter between
rivals is fine, but you cannot seem to understand why it's offensive to
invade other forums and turn on a tirade of hateful personal attacks on
individuals. So if you go that route again, I'll be back on your ass, with
Goatboy, Ronald, and a bunch more tasty morsels. And go ahead and post all
the stupid shit you want in the Chiefs forums... you're not getting any
action because they are too smart to take your juvenile bait.... and
besides, yuou're just not funny.

Now please refrain from being an asshole and I will do the same.... or not,
your choice.

Besides, I can be a much bigger asshole than you when provoked, so do the
smart thing while you have this one opportunity at a truce.

MBKC

It is my understanding that ice makers are great for growing mold...do home fridge ice makers require special attention so there isn't mold growth? Do home ice makers do the regular cleaning? Just curious....I'd never put one in; I rarely use ice for anything and if I do, I have a couple ice cube trays.

N.

Nancy2 wrote:
> I have a couple ice cube trays.
>
> N.
WEBTV!!! ROFL!!!!

Bla bla bla, you're so clever. NOT! ROFL! And the webtv reference....
seriously? *You're* making fun of *me* with webtv? Do you not realize that
you have just validated everyone who has laughed at you for it?

One note... you can't lay off the crossdressing stuff in your lame attempt
at humor. You got caught on it already, and we all know about it, and "I
know you are but what am I" doesn't fix it.

Now **** off and die, you phony little pussy, and next time you decide to
start flinging shit at people outside your own back yard, try to prepare
your freeble little mind for the fact that you need to be willing to take
what you dish out, because someone may do the same thing back at you. If
you're going to keep being a pussy who wants to give shit but screams like a
sissy baby when you get it back, you'll just spend your sad little life
going through episodes like this where your true nature is revealed to all.

I'm done with you now, shithead. That is, unless you want more.

And unless you decide to resume making personal attacks on people who are
trying to discuss reasonable things. A little good natured banter between
rivals is fine, but you cannot seem to understand why it's offensive to
invade other forums and turn on a tirade of hateful personal attacks on
individuals. So if you go that route again, I'll be back on your ass, with
Goatboy, Ronald, and a bunch more tasty morsels. And go ahead and post all
the stupid shit you want in the Chiefs forums... you're not getting any
action because they are too smart to take your juvenile bait.... and
besides, yuou're just not funny.

Now please refrain from being an asshole and I will do the same.... or not,
your choice.

Besides, I can be a much bigger asshole than you when provoked, so do the
smart thing while you have this one opportunity at a truce.

MBKC

"Nancy2" <> wrote...
It is my understanding that ice makers are great for growing mold...do home
fridge ice makers require special attention so there isn't mold growth? Do
home ice makers do the regular cleaning? Just curious....I'd never put one
in; I rarely use ice for anything and if I do, I have a couple ice cube
trays.

Our one year-old refrigerator has a fine filtering system; filter must be
changed every 6 months and the filter costs about $40. We do enjoy the ice
maker/crusher. Never use the cold water. An important reminder - do
consider width and depth. We actually had a kitchen designer 'do' a kitchen
for us one time. He did not realize that the doors Must be able to be
opened all the way out to remove shelves and really clean. We notice that
the new refrigerator is quite a bit nosier than the previous one; not that
it matters a lot. Hasn't frightened anyone. Yet. Polly

Polly Esther wrote:
> Hasn't frightened anyone. Yet. Polly
WEBTV!!! ROFL!!!!

Bla bla bla, you're so clever. NOT! ROFL! And the webtv reference....
seriously? *You're* making fun of *me* with webtv? Do you not realize that
you have just validated everyone who has laughed at you for it?

One note... you can't lay off the crossdressing stuff in your lame attempt
at humor. You got caught on it already, and we all know about it, and "I
know you are but what am I" doesn't fix it.

Now **** off and die, you phony little pussy, and next time you decide to
start flinging shit at people outside your own back yard, try to prepare
your freeble little mind for the fact that you need to be willing to take
what you dish out, because someone may do the same thing back at you. If
you're going to keep being a pussy who wants to give shit but screams like a
sissy baby when you get it back, you'll just spend your sad little life
going through episodes like this where your true nature is revealed to all.

I'm done with you now, shithead. That is, unless you want more.

And unless you decide to resume making personal attacks on people who are
trying to discuss reasonable things. A little good natured banter between
rivals is fine, but you cannot seem to understand why it's offensive to
invade other forums and turn on a tirade of hateful personal attacks on
individuals. So if you go that route again, I'll be back on your ass, with
Goatboy, Ronald, and a bunch more tasty morsels. And go ahead and post all
the stupid shit you want in the Chiefs forums... you're not getting any
action because they are too smart to take your juvenile bait.... and
besides, yuou're just not funny.

Now please refrain from being an asshole and I will do the same.... or not,
your choice.

Besides, I can be a much bigger asshole than you when provoked, so do the
smart thing while you have this one opportunity at a truce.

MBKC

On 8/19/2013 9:39 PM, Nancy2 wrote:
> It is my understanding that ice makers are great for growing mold...do home fridge ice makers require special attention so there isn't mold growth? Do home ice makers do the regular cleaning? Just curious....I'd never put one in; I rarely use ice for anything and if I do, I have a couple ice cube trays.
>
> N.
>
Nothing special, just a wipe down around the dispenser. We use a lot of
ice and would not be withut one.

Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> We use a lot of ice
WEBTV!!! ROFL!!!!

Bla bla bla, you're so clever. NOT! ROFL! And the webtv reference....
seriously? *You're* making fun of *me* with webtv? Do you not realize that
you have just validated everyone who has laughed at you for it?

One note... you can't lay off the crossdressing stuff in your lame attempt
at humor. You got caught on it already, and we all know about it, and "I
know you are but what am I" doesn't fix it.

Now **** off and die, you phony little pussy, and next time you decide to
start flinging shit at people outside your own back yard, try to prepare
your freeble little mind for the fact that you need to be willing to take
what you dish out, because someone may do the same thing back at you. If
you're going to keep being a pussy who wants to give shit but screams like a
sissy baby when you get it back, you'll just spend your sad little life
going through episodes like this where your true nature is revealed to all.

I'm done with you now, shithead. That is, unless you want more.

And unless you decide to resume making personal attacks on people who are
trying to discuss reasonable things. A little good natured banter between
rivals is fine, but you cannot seem to understand why it's offensive to
invade other forums and turn on a tirade of hateful personal attacks on
individuals. So if you go that route again, I'll be back on your ass, with
Goatboy, Ronald, and a bunch more tasty morsels. And go ahead and post all
the stupid shit you want in the Chiefs forums... you're not getting any
action because they are too smart to take your juvenile bait.... and
besides, yuou're just not funny.

Now please refrain from being an asshole and I will do the same.... or not,
your choice.

Besides, I can be a much bigger asshole than you when provoked, so do the
smart thing while you have this one opportunity at a truce.

MBKC

"dsi1" > wrote in message
...
> On 8/19/2013 5:22 AM, Steve Freides wrote:
>> In the interest of full disclosure, I've recently asked about convection
>> toaster ovens, range hood microwaves, and I'm not sure what all else,
>> but I'm back with one more - even though we've changed absolutely
>> nothing about our kitchen yet. I appreciate the advice and opinions
>> I've received here, and eventually, I guess, we'll either do a bunch of
>> these things at once or pick one of them and start with that.
>>
>> Refrigerators - below is a $1500 and a $500 model:
>>
>> http://www.lg.com/us/refrigerators/l...r-refrigerator -
>> $1500
>>
>>
>> http://www.homedepot.com/p/t/2035229...ctId=203522982 - $500
>>
>> I'm not doubting the more expensive one is better, but how, please, is
>> it worth 3 times the cost? We have never owned anything other than a
>> plain 'fridge, freezer on top, never had an automatic ice maker and I'm
>> happy that way, etc.
>>
>> Thanks in advance for your replies.
>>
>> -S-
>
> A refrigerator is worth whatever people are willing to pay so it sure is
> worth $1500. $1500 seems to be on the low end for this type of
> refrigerator. I paid over $2000 for mine. I probably wouldn't spend that
> much on a refrigerator again so you could say that I don't think they're
> worth the money. I do like the sliding freezer bin on the bottom. That's a
> worth while feature. The ice/water dispenser is not that important a
> feature to me although an ice maker is. The led lighting, is useful. I'm
> hoping that my next refrigerator will be under $1000.

Mine was around $2,000 and has no bells and whistles. But it was the only
one that would fit in the space that I have.

"Michael Press" > wrote in message
...
> In article >,
> "Steve Freides" > wrote:
>
>> In the interest of full disclosure, I've recently asked about convection
>> toaster ovens, range hood microwaves, and I'm not sure what all else,
>> but I'm back with one more - even though we've changed absolutely
>> nothing about our kitchen yet. I appreciate the advice and opinions
>> I've received here, and eventually, I guess, we'll either do a bunch of
>> these things at once or pick one of them and start with that.
>>
>> Refrigerators - below is a $1500 and a $500 model:
>>
>> http://www.lg.com/us/refrigerators/l...r-refrigerator -
>> $1500
>>
>>
>> http://www.homedepot.com/p/t/2035229...ctId=203522982 - $500
>>
>> I'm not doubting the more expensive one is better, but how, please, is
>> it worth 3 times the cost? We have never owned anything other than a
>> plain 'fridge, freezer on top, never had an automatic ice maker and I'm
>> happy that way, etc.
>>
>
> If I wanted an ice maker I would buy a separate unit
> Too much trouble plumbing the reefer for water.
> Gotta undo the water supply to move the reefer.
> If you need an automatic ice maker you need
> a lot of ice and you are wasting storage in your freezer.
> Look for reliability. I cannot help you there.
> My refrigerator blows the defroster heater element
> every few years, but is otherwise good. I watched
> the repairman change the heater when it first blew
> under warranty.

I would not want an ice maker or a beverage dispenser. Most of the time I
don't even keep any ice aside from blue type ice for coolers or injuries.

Nancy2 wrote:
> It is my understanding that ice makers are great for growing
> mold...do home fridge ice makers require special attention so there
> isn't mold growth? Do home ice makers do the regular cleaning? Just
> curious....I'd never put one in; I rarely use ice for anything and if
> I do, I have a couple ice cube trays.
>
> N.

I am pretty sure they are mold breeders.

On Mon, 19 Aug 2013 21:21:02 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:

>
> "dsi1" > wrote in message
>
> > A refrigerator is worth whatever people are willing to pay so it sure is
> > worth $1500. $1500 seems to be on the low end for this type of
> > refrigerator. I paid over $2000 for mine. I probably wouldn't spend that
> > much on a refrigerator again so you could say that I don't think they're
> > worth the money. I do like the sliding freezer bin on the bottom. That's a
> > worth while feature. The ice/water dispenser is not that important a
> > feature to me although an ice maker is. The led lighting, is useful. I'm
> > hoping that my next refrigerator will be under $1000.
>
> Mine was around $2,000 and has no bells and whistles. But it was the only
> one that would fit in the space that I have.
>
I feel your pain Julie! The space where my refrigerator sits is 30
inches wide with no wiggle room. I could go higher, but I can't go
wider.

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Food is an important part of a balanced diet.

On Mon, 19 Aug 2013 14:36:23 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:
>
> I specifically got the LG washer and dryer because they are purported not to
> break down as often as some of the others. So far I have had no problems.
> There was a recall and they did come out and fix it. Had something to do
> with washing waterproof items which I do not do but think I would be pretty
> ticked off if I had a toddler with this thing.
>

I have 5 YO Maytag w/d (stack) and have had zero problems with them.
My w/d before the Maytag was Whirlpool and they lasted 25-30 years, so
I have no complaints about them either.

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Food is an important part of a balanced diet.

On Mon, 19 Aug 2013 16:43:39 -0700, "Paul M. Cook" >
wrote:

> I never had a water hookup either. Nor an ice maker. When I bought my 24
> CFT Whirlpool in 2007 I went for the option and have been glad I did. I
> love having ice in the summer.

I really, really, really wanted an ice maker (still do, but have less
reason since the kids are grown up/gone and we don't entertain as much
as we used to), but we've had very bad luck with the two ice makers we
had. These were not door units, they were interior. Thank goodness
the back of the refrigerator is accessible and in full view when
you're in the laundry room because both started leaking within six
months. I called out the repairman multiple times for each one but
gave up after a few calls because they continued to leak in spite of
being changed out for a new one, so I disconnected the water line and
use ice trays to make ice cubes now.

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Food is an important part of a balanced diet.

On 8/19/2013 11:22 AM, Steve Freides wrote:

> I'm not doubting the more expensive one is better, but how, please, is
> it worth 3 times the cost? We have never owned anything other than a
> plain 'fridge, freezer on top, never had an automatic ice maker and I'm
> happy that way, etc.
>
> Thanks in advance for your replies.
>
> -S-

No advice specifically about your question, but I have a suggestion
based on my recent purchase of a new fridge. Measure carefully every
dimension and measure your space carefully and the entrance to your
kitchen. I'm trying to replace my kitchen floor and finding it hard
because my fridge can't be moved out of the kitchen without taking the
doors off. Luckily I've found that vinyl tiles will be easier because
they can just move the fridge to another spot in my tiny kitchen while
they take care of the tiles in the spot where the fridge sits.

I also can't find the wheels but I'm sure they're there I just haven't
checked the manual yet.


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On 8/19/2013 2:33 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

> One is Energy Star compliant and cheaper to operate of the life. Freezer
> drawers add to the cost. Door alarm is nice to have.

I found one flaw with door alarms. My fridge door was left just barely
open and the door alarm didn't catch it. It only catches it if it's all
the way open, or at least more than it was when I discovered it this
morning. Luckily it wasn't left that way for long.

I have also found another reason I'm not happy with the bottom drawer
freezer and it isn't often, but sometimes I make frozen drinks and if I
make more than one, the blender container doesn't fit in the freezer to
keep it frozen until I'm ready for the next.

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On 8/19/2013 7:12 PM, Kalmia wrote:

> Notwithstanding price, I am a big advocate of freezer-on-the-bottom.
> Maybe not so much for fridge space vs. freezer space, but for easy
> accessibility. I am reaching into my fridge prob. ten times as often
> as the freezer, and I hate having to reach down into those lower
> crisper drawers. ( I have a side by side now.)
>
> I have an icemaker, but could live without one. Eventually, it seems
> to be the first thing to break down and warrant calling the man.
>
> I have two friends who love their French door units, but another
> hated hers and went back to a side by side. I guess it depends on
> the type of food storage you require.
>
> My folks were thrilled with any kind of a elec. fridge - after having
> to put the big "ten cent" sign in the window. Those were the days.
>

I think your post is a good reason to really think about how you use
both the fridge and the freezer to determine what is right just for you.
What is right and works for you isn't always the same as the other guy.
Create a matrix, Excel works well for that. Column headers could be
the different types of units, row headers are what your needs/desires
are, and you just put X's in the cells where that unit meets the needs
of each row.

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