"S Viemeister" > wrote in message
...
> On 8/10/2013 11:15 AM, Ophelia wrote:
>>
>> If we ever decided to spend much more time at the cottage I might
>> consider getting a rayburn type cooker that would run on the oil.
>
> I have a no longer-in-use Rayburn - a multifuel converted to oil years
> ago. It used to heat the hot water as well as run the central heating. My
> daughter likes it, but she isn't the one who pays the oil bills...

What do you use for cooking atm? I know you said you had a boiler, how is
it powered?

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On Sat, 10 Aug 2013 11:27:43 -0400, Gary > wrote:

> sf wrote:
> >
> > My kids thought they
> > were doing me a favor by giving me a gas grill after my trusty Weber
> > died... but my grilling days ended there because I don't like guessing
> > how much gas is left or changing a tank in the middle of cooking
> > something.
>
> Charcoal grills are your friend. I think the food tastes better too.
>
Ditto the flavor factor!

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On 8/10/2013 12:54 PM, Ophelia wrote:
> "S Viemeister" > wrote
>> On 8/10/2013 11:15 AM, Ophelia wrote:
>>>
>>> If we ever decided to spend much more time at the cottage I might
>>> consider getting a rayburn type cooker that would run on the oil.
>>
>> I have a no longer-in-use Rayburn - a multifuel converted to oil years
>> ago. It used to heat the hot water as well as run the central heating. My
>> daughter likes it, but she isn't the one who pays the oil bills...
>
> What do you use for cooking atm? I know you said you had a boiler, how
> is it powered?
>
I have a dual-fuel (propane and lecky) two-oven cooker. The boiler is an
exterior-installed combi, running on oil.

On Sat, 10 Aug 2013 11:29:20 -0400, Gary > wrote:



>> >
>> When the power goes out, I use matches to light the burners (no pilot
>> lights on mine).
>
>Ok... I was wondering if you could safely light the electronic gas
>stoves like that when the power is out. So no worries doing that?
>
>G.

No worries, just use a match or lighter like they did decades ago. I
can't us the oven though, just the burners.

"S Viemeister" > wrote in message
...
> On 8/10/2013 12:54 PM, Ophelia wrote:
>> "S Viemeister" > wrote
>>> On 8/10/2013 11:15 AM, Ophelia wrote:
>>>>
>>>> If we ever decided to spend much more time at the cottage I might
>>>> consider getting a rayburn type cooker that would run on the oil.
>>>
>>> I have a no longer-in-use Rayburn - a multifuel converted to oil years
>>> ago. It used to heat the hot water as well as run the central heating.
>>> My
>>> daughter likes it, but she isn't the one who pays the oil bills...
>>
>> What do you use for cooking atm? I know you said you had a boiler, how
>> is it powered?
>>
> I have a dual-fuel (propane and lecky) two-oven cooker. The boiler is an
> exterior-installed combi, running on oil.

OK ta

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On Sat, 10 Aug 2013 07:46:50 -0700, sf > wrote:

>On Sat, 10 Aug 2013 04:09:28 -0400, jmcquown >
>wrote:
>
>> On 8/10/2013 3:29 AM, Cheryl wrote:
>> >
>> Lengthy electrical outages are rare. I've experienced a few in my
>> lifetime, but mostly not. Running out of propane in the middle of
>> cooking... I'd rather not.
>>
>> > I don't have the option for gas in my house either, and having to deal
>> > with something like a propane tank that has to be kept up doesn't appeal
>> > to me. Too much planning involved.
>> >
>> Thank you.
>>
>Living where I do, the power never goes out unless something major
>happens, like a transformer going out or a fire at the substation -
>and it hasn't happened on my part of the grid. My kids thought they
>were doing me a favor by giving me a gas grill after my trusty Weber
>died... but my grilling days ended there because I don't like guessing
>how much gas is left or changing a tank in the middle of cooking
>something.

The small gas tanks last quite a while, but if there is no meter you
can test by tapping on the side of the tank. Start at the top and
continue down until the sound changes. The gas under pressure is a
liquid (LPG) so you will get a change in sound (no echo) when you get
to the level that it is still filled to.

JB

On 8/10/2013 12:15 PM, Nancy Young wrote:
> On 8/10/2013 11:46 AM, jmcquown wrote:
>
>> I was there in the daytime and they still had them turned on. I have no
>> idea why. The ones I saw were gas lamps, not electric lights that
>> flickered. I kind of wondered about their gas bills. (laugh)
>
> They aren't permitted here any longer (so I've heard) but the people
> across the street had a gas lamp from before the ban. It was never
> turned off, you just didn't notice it during the day.
>
> nancy

The only reason I noticed is these were some really old historic homes.
Maybe that's why they kept the gas lamps all on day. People walk by
and look through the gates at their gardens. They had lots of lovely
gardens.

Jill

"dsi1" > wrote in message
...
> On 8/9/2013 9:19 AM, Gary wrote:
>> jmcquown wrote:
>>>
>>> Not everyone has the option of gas or propane. Electric is the only way
>>> I can cook, unless I use my grill (which is not propane).
>>
>> And that's exactly why you should sell that place and move. You like
>> to cook and evidently do a good job of it. Find yourself a place with
>> a good gas stove and formica countertops that can withstand constant
>> use and abuse.
>>
>> G.
>>
>
> Nobody buys a house because it has a gas appliance, at least, I wouldn't.
> I grew up using gas and I can take it or leave it. OTOH, a gas line into
> our house was a big deal back in the early 60s. I remember there was
> literature from the gas company telling my parents how great the all-gas
> home was. My main beef with gas is that in the tropics, it can be very
> uncomfortable. We have 70 percent relative humidity and that thing puts
> out heat and water vapor.

I guess you don't watch those home buying shows. They sure do buy or not
buy based on the stove!

On 8/10/2013 4:43 AM, Gary wrote:
> Cheryl wrote:
>>
>> So that experience didn't give you any thoughts that it wasn't the most
>> effective way to cook? It sure would for me. Electric doesn't run out,
>> unless of course there's a power outage, and so many gas stoves these
>> days have electronics in them to use so they won't work in power outage
>> either.
>
> Most apartments in my neighborhood have the nifty new gas stoves with
> electronics. I've been offered one since I've lived here so long but
> I've resisted. My old one (with pilot lights) works fine and I can
> cook during power outages unlike my neighbors. Here, I am hooked up
> to the city supplied natural gas. That has never gone out.
>
> My pilot-lit oven also maintains the perfect temperature to make
> yogurt and to dehydrate vegetables overnight.
>
> G.
>

Pilot light stoves are not popular these days. I don't care for those
high voltage ignition systems but having a permanent leak in the gas
line isn't that desirable because they waste a significant amount of
gas. I've seen figures as high as 40% although that seems a little high.

It was my job to relight pilot lights when I was a kid. We'd turn on the
stove and there would be no flame or the hot water would run out while
taking a shower. I enjoyed doing it because I like fire. I still do.

On Sun, 11 Aug 2013 00:52:48 +0800, JBurns >
wrote:

>
> Strike a match, turn on the knob for the selected burner, apply match
> to the burner.

That's the old fashioned way. I thought these new ones were harder to
light.

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On 8/10/2013 11:59 AM, jmcquown wrote:
>>
> The only benefit I ever saw with having a gas stove was instant flame.
> Which means next to nothing. I'm not in such a hurry that I can't wait
> a few minutes for the an electric coil to heat up. While waiting for a
> pot of water to come to a boil I'm busy chopping/prepping vegetables. It
> all works out.

I believe electric stoves have come a long way from having to wait for
it to heat up. Mine heats up immediately.

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On 8/10/2013 11:27 AM, Gary wrote:
> sf wrote:
>>
>> My kids thought they
>> were doing me a favor by giving me a gas grill after my trusty Weber
>> died... but my grilling days ended there because I don't like guessing
>> how much gas is left or changing a tank in the middle of cooking
>> something.
>
> Charcoal grills are your friend. I think the food tastes better too.
>
> G.
>
I don't agree. If you use lighter fluid that's what the food tastes like.

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On 8/10/2013 9:38 PM, Cheryl wrote:
> On 8/10/2013 11:59 AM, jmcquown wrote:
>>>
>> The only benefit I ever saw with having a gas stove was instant flame.
>> Which means next to nothing. I'm not in such a hurry that I can't wait
>> a few minutes for the an electric coil to heat up. While waiting for a
>> pot of water to come to a boil I'm busy chopping/prepping vegetables. It
>> all works out.
>
> I believe electric stoves have come a long way from having to wait for
> it to heat up. Mine heats up immediately.
>
And mine is circa 1987. It doesn't matter. I am familiar with it's
quirks and have no problem with using it.

Jill

On 8/10/2013 9:40 PM, Cheryl wrote:
> On 8/10/2013 11:27 AM, Gary wrote:
>> sf wrote:
>>>
>>> My kids thought they
>>> were doing me a favor by giving me a gas grill after my trusty Weber
>>> died... but my grilling days ended there because I don't like guessing
>>> how much gas is left or changing a tank in the middle of cooking
>>> something.
>>
>> Charcoal grills are your friend. I think the food tastes better too.
>>
>> G.
>>
> I don't agree. If you use lighter fluid that's what the food tastes like.
>
There's absolutely no need to use charcoal lighter fluid to start a
fire. Some good lump charcoal, a little crumpled up paper. You'll have
a nice fire going in the Weber kettle in no time.

Jill

On 10/08/2013 9:38 PM, Cheryl wrote:
> On 8/10/2013 11:59 AM, jmcquown wrote:
>>>
>> The only benefit I ever saw with having a gas stove was instant flame.
>> Which means next to nothing. I'm not in such a hurry that I can't wait
>> a few minutes for the an electric coil to heat up. While waiting for a
>> pot of water to come to a boil I'm busy chopping/prepping vegetables. It
>> all works out.
>
> I believe electric stoves have come a long way from having to wait for
> it to heat up. Mine heats up immediately.
>
I don't see a major difference in the time it takes electric stove
burners to heat up. We used to have an electric stove with solid
burners. They took a long time to heat up, and they took a long time to
cool off, so they were hard to control. They also didn't get really hot,
so heating up a large pot of water took a long time, and jam making was
a little tougher.

On Sat, 10 Aug 2013 21:40:06 -0400, Cheryl >
wrote:

> On 8/10/2013 11:27 AM, Gary wrote:
> > sf wrote:
> >>
> >> My kids thought they
> >> were doing me a favor by giving me a gas grill after my trusty Weber
> >> died... but my grilling days ended there because I don't like guessing
> >> how much gas is left or changing a tank in the middle of cooking
> >> something.
> >
> > Charcoal grills are your friend. I think the food tastes better too.
> >
> > G.
> >
> I don't agree. If you use lighter fluid that's what the food tastes like.

Maybe if you use too much lighter fluid or too often, but they have
those chimneys now that you use to start your coals and pack newspaper
under to get them started. For those who don't want to use fluid or
newspaper, electric fire starters have been around for 30 years or
more.

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On 8/10/2013 10:00 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
>>
> I don't see a major difference in the time it takes electric stove
> burners to heat up. We used to have an electric stove with solid
> burners. They took a long time to heat up, and they took a long time to
> cool off, so they were hard to control. They also didn't get really hot,
> so heating up a large pot of water took a long time, and jam making was
> a little tougher.

Cooling off is a whole other story. Like Jill said, we just get
used to it.

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On Sat, 10 Aug 2013 16:05:06 -0700, sf > wrote:

>On Sun, 11 Aug 2013 00:52:48 +0800, JBurns >
>wrote:
>
>>
>> Strike a match, turn on the knob for the selected burner, apply match
>> to the burner.
>
>That's the old fashioned way. I thought these new ones were harder to
>light.

They shouldn't be. The only difference is they have auto ignition, but
not when the power is out.

JB

On Sat, 10 Aug 2013 11:46:05 -1000, dsi1
> wrote:

>On 8/10/2013 4:43 AM, Gary wrote:
>> Cheryl wrote:
>>>
>>> So that experience didn't give you any thoughts that it wasn't the most
>>> effective way to cook? It sure would for me. Electric doesn't run out,
>>> unless of course there's a power outage, and so many gas stoves these
>>> days have electronics in them to use so they won't work in power outage
>>> either.
>>
>> Most apartments in my neighborhood have the nifty new gas stoves with
>> electronics. I've been offered one since I've lived here so long but
>> I've resisted. My old one (with pilot lights) works fine and I can
>> cook during power outages unlike my neighbors. Here, I am hooked up
>> to the city supplied natural gas. That has never gone out.
>>
>> My pilot-lit oven also maintains the perfect temperature to make
>> yogurt and to dehydrate vegetables overnight.
>>
>> G.
>>
>
>Pilot light stoves are not popular these days. I don't care for those
>high voltage ignition systems but having a permanent leak in the gas
>line isn't that desirable because they waste a significant amount of
>gas. I've seen figures as high as 40% although that seems a little high.
>
>It was my job to relight pilot lights when I was a kid. We'd turn on the
>stove and there would be no flame or the hot water would run out while
>taking a shower. I enjoyed doing it because I like fire. I still do.

Me too, like fire that is.

Set something on fire, legally, and I'm there. Better yet, let ME set
it on fire.

JB

On 8/10/2013 4:33 PM, JBurns wrote:
> Me too, like fire that is.
>
> Set something on fire, legally, and I'm there. Better yet, let ME set
> it on fire.
>
> JB
>

Well, with a name like Burns, you better like fire!

On Sat, 10 Aug 2013 22:21:39 -0400, Cheryl >
wrote:

> On 8/10/2013 10:00 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
> >>
> > I don't see a major difference in the time it takes electric stove
> > burners to heat up. We used to have an electric stove with solid
> > burners. They took a long time to heat up, and they took a long time to
> > cool off, so they were hard to control. They also didn't get really hot,
> > so heating up a large pot of water took a long time, and jam making was
> > a little tougher.
>
> Cooling off is a whole other story. Like Jill said, we just get
> used to it.

I certainly don't care how long it takes electric to cool off. If I
want it to stop cooking immediately, I move it to another burner.
It's not like gas is instant off either, because the grates are still
hot after the flame is turned off the flame and it continues to bubble
unless you move the pan.

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On Sun, 11 Aug 2013 10:27:27 +0800, JBurns >
wrote:

> On Sat, 10 Aug 2013 16:05:06 -0700, sf > wrote:
>
> >On Sun, 11 Aug 2013 00:52:48 +0800, JBurns >
> >wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> Strike a match, turn on the knob for the selected burner, apply match
> >> to the burner.
> >
> >That's the old fashioned way. I thought these new ones were harder to
> >light.
>
> They shouldn't be. The only difference is they have auto ignition, but
> not when the power is out.
>

So you turn it on and light the gasified air? That's an accident
waiting to happen.


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I have a decent glasstop electric. I still miss gas.

I use the side burner on my gas grill all the time.

On Sat, 10 Aug 2013 22:56:37 -0700, sf > wrote:

>On Sun, 11 Aug 2013 10:27:27 +0800, JBurns >
>wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 10 Aug 2013 16:05:06 -0700, sf > wrote:
>>
>> >On Sun, 11 Aug 2013 00:52:48 +0800, JBurns >
>> >wrote:
>> >
>> >>
>> >> Strike a match, turn on the knob for the selected burner, apply match
>> >> to the burner.
>> >
>> >That's the old fashioned way. I thought these new ones were harder to
>> >light.
>>
>> They shouldn't be. The only difference is they have auto ignition, but
>> not when the power is out.
>>
>
>So you turn it on and light the gasified air? That's an accident
>waiting to happen.

That is what thousands of people did before the advent of auto
ignition, the only difference is you are using a match rather than the
auto spark. What you are lighting is the gas coming out of the burner

Make sure you light the match before turning on the gas.

JB

"sf" > wrote in message
...
> On Sun, 11 Aug 2013 00:52:48 +0800, JBurns >
> wrote:
>
>>
>> Strike a match, turn on the knob for the selected burner, apply match
>> to the burner.
>
> That's the old fashioned way. I thought these new ones were harder to
> light.

Not mine, and I keep matches in a drawer nearby jic.
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On Sat, 10 Aug 2013 22:56:37 -0700, sf > wrote:



>> >> Strike a match, turn on the knob for the selected burner, apply match
>> >> to the burner.
>> >
>> >That's the old fashioned way. I thought these new ones were harder to
>> >light.
>>
>> They shouldn't be. The only difference is they have auto ignition, but
>> not when the power is out.
>>
>
>So you turn it on and light the gasified air? That's an accident
>waiting to happen.

It has been done hundreds of millions of times before pilot lights and
electronic ignition were invented. Perfectly safe. Plumbers and
welders light torches the same way. What do you think the modern
electronic ignition is lighting? It is merely a spark in the gas/air
mix that your match can also light.

On Sun, 11 Aug 2013 10:29:11 +0100, "Ophelia"
> wrote:

>
>
> "sf" > wrote in message
> ...
> > On Sun, 11 Aug 2013 00:52:48 +0800, JBurns >
> > wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> Strike a match, turn on the knob for the selected burner, apply match
> >> to the burner.
> >
> > That's the old fashioned way. I thought these new ones were harder to
> > light.
>
> Not mine, and I keep matches in a drawer nearby jic.
> --
I always keep a gun style lighter for the fireplace and outdoor grill,
so I'll use that. I want to be as far away from the flame as humanly
possible. Don't want to singe off my eyebrows!

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On 8/11/2013 8:51 AM, sf wrote:
> On Sun, 11 Aug 2013 10:29:11 +0100, "Ophelia"
> > wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> "sf" > wrote

>>> On Sun, 11 Aug 2013 00:52:48 +0800, JBurns >
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Strike a match, turn on the knob for the selected burner, apply match
>>>> to the burner.
>>>
>>> That's the old fashioned way. I thought these new ones were harder to
>>> light.
>>
>> Not mine, and I keep matches in a drawer nearby jic.
>> --
> I always keep a gun style lighter for the fireplace and outdoor grill,
> so I'll use that. I want to be as far away from the flame as humanly
> possible. Don't want to singe off my eyebrows!

It's not like that. No big giant POOF. Quite undramatic. It
was very handy during the blackout, at least we could make coffee,
or heat big pots of water to heat the kitchen. The big problem
was finding those lighters. Luckily we got through with what we
had and with nice wood matches I got at a Yankee Candle store that
was open.

When I was a kid, you had to light the oven with a match. For whatever
reason, I did that by myself one day and didn't open the door so there
was a gas buildup. This is why I know what singed hair smells like and
why I never tried to light an oven like that ever again.

nancy

"sf" > wrote in message
...
> On Sun, 11 Aug 2013 10:29:11 +0100, "Ophelia"
> > wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> "sf" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> > On Sun, 11 Aug 2013 00:52:48 +0800, JBurns >
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> >>
>> >> Strike a match, turn on the knob for the selected burner, apply match
>> >> to the burner.
>> >
>> > That's the old fashioned way. I thought these new ones were harder to
>> > light.
>>
>> Not mine, and I keep matches in a drawer nearby jic.
>> --
> I always keep a gun style lighter for the fireplace and outdoor grill,
> so I'll use that. I want to be as far away from the flame as humanly
> possible. Don't want to singe off my eyebrows!

lol I did that once) I just just moved into a new flat in Malta and it
had the oddest cooker I had ever seen (nor have since). To light it you had
to apply your match to a hole at the back of the oven and it was supposed to
light the burners on each side. It didn't work the first or second time so
I tried again (forgetting to turn of the gas in between) and the blast did
actually remove one eye brow and some hair!

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"Nancy Young" > wrote in message
...
> On 8/11/2013 8:51 AM, sf wrote:
>> On Sun, 11 Aug 2013 10:29:11 +0100, "Ophelia"
>> > wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "sf" > wrote
>
>>>> On Sun, 11 Aug 2013 00:52:48 +0800, JBurns >
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Strike a match, turn on the knob for the selected burner, apply match
>>>>> to the burner.
>>>>
>>>> That's the old fashioned way. I thought these new ones were harder to
>>>> light.
>>>
>>> Not mine, and I keep matches in a drawer nearby jic.
>>> --
>> I always keep a gun style lighter for the fireplace and outdoor grill,
>> so I'll use that. I want to be as far away from the flame as humanly
>> possible. Don't want to singe off my eyebrows!
>
> It's not like that. No big giant POOF. Quite undramatic. It
> was very handy during the blackout, at least we could make coffee,
> or heat big pots of water to heat the kitchen. The big problem
> was finding those lighters. Luckily we got through with what we
> had and with nice wood matches I got at a Yankee Candle store that
> was open.
>
> When I was a kid, you had to light the oven with a match. For whatever
> reason, I did that by myself one day and didn't open the door so there
> was a gas buildup. This is why I know what singed hair smells like and
> why I never tried to light an oven like that ever again.

lol *snap* see my post!!

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On Sun, 11 Aug 2013 08:38:30 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:

> On Sat, 10 Aug 2013 22:56:37 -0700, sf > wrote:
>
>
>
> >> >> Strike a match, turn on the knob for the selected burner, apply match
> >> >> to the burner.
> >> >
> >> >That's the old fashioned way. I thought these new ones were harder to
> >> >light.
> >>
> >> They shouldn't be. The only difference is they have auto ignition, but
> >> not when the power is out.
> >>
> >
> >So you turn it on and light the gasified air? That's an accident
> >waiting to happen.
>
> It has been done hundreds of millions of times before pilot lights and
> electronic ignition were invented. Perfectly safe. Plumbers and
> welders light torches the same way. What do you think the modern
> electronic ignition is lighting? It is merely a spark in the gas/air
> mix that your match can also light.

I want to be as far away from that stuff as possible. You might not,
but I have a healthy fear of fire.

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On 8/11/2013 9:13 AM, Ophelia wrote:
>
>
> "Nancy Young" > wrote

>> When I was a kid, you had to light the oven with a match. For whatever
>> reason, I did that by myself one day and didn't open the door so there
>> was a gas buildup. This is why I know what singed hair smells like and
>> why I never tried to light an oven like that ever again.
>
> lol *snap* see my post!!

(laugh) A mistake you don't repeat.

nancy

Cheryl wrote:
>
> Gary wrote:
> > Charcoal grills are your friend. I think the food tastes better too.

> >
> I don't agree. If you use lighter fluid that's what the food tastes like.

I never noticed that when I did use the lighter fluid. In later years,
I started my charcoal with newspaper in an old coffee can with holes
pokes all over...the chimney thing.

Then even later I used a torch to get a few coals burning underneath a
pile. About 30 seconds of torch heat started the bottom ones and they
spread to the others on top.

Illegal in Virginia now for about 5 years so it's all oven or stove
top cooking for me.

G.

Ophelia wrote:
>
> "sf" wrote:

> > JBurns wrote:
> >>
> >> Strike a match, turn on the knob for the selected burner, apply match
> >> to the burner.
> >
> > That's the old fashioned way. I thought these new ones were harder to
> > light.
>
> Not mine, and I keep matches in a drawer nearby jic.

My ancient gas stove actually has 2 burners that are clogged somewhere
and the pilot light won't light them. Whenever I need to use them, I
turn on the gas and flick my lighter for immediate combustion.

G.

"Gary" > wrote in message ...
> Ophelia wrote:
>>
>> "sf" wrote:
>
>> > JBurns wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Strike a match, turn on the knob for the selected burner, apply match
>> >> to the burner.
>> >
>> > That's the old fashioned way. I thought these new ones were harder to
>> > light.
>>
>> Not mine, and I keep matches in a drawer nearby jic.
>
> My ancient gas stove actually has 2 burners that are clogged somewhere
> and the pilot light won't light them. Whenever I need to use them, I
> turn on the gas and flick my lighter for immediate combustion.

yep
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"Gary" > wrote in message ...
> Cheryl wrote:
>>
>> Gary wrote:
>> > Charcoal grills are your friend. I think the food tastes better too.
>
>> >
>> I don't agree. If you use lighter fluid that's what the food tastes
>> like.
>
> I never noticed that when I did use the lighter fluid. In later years,
> I started my charcoal with newspaper in an old coffee can with holes
> pokes all over...the chimney thing.
>
> Then even later I used a torch to get a few coals burning underneath a
> pile. About 30 seconds of torch heat started the bottom ones and they
> spread to the others on top.
>
> Illegal in Virginia now for about 5 years so it's all oven or stove
> top cooking for me.

Are you not allowed to do a bbq at all?
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On Sun, 11 Aug 2013 10:46:23 -0400, Gary > wrote:



>
>Then even later I used a torch to get a few coals burning underneath a
>pile. About 30 seconds of torch heat started the bottom ones and they
>spread to the others on top.
>
>Illegal in Virginia now for about 5 years so it's all oven or stove
>top cooking for me.
>
>G.

What is illegal? Charcoal? Lighter fluid?

Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>
> On Sun, 11 Aug 2013 10:46:23 -0400, Gary > wrote:
>
> >
> >Then even later I used a torch to get a few coals burning underneath a
> >pile. About 30 seconds of torch heat started the bottom ones and they
> >spread to the others on top.
> >
> >Illegal in Virginia now for about 5 years so it's all oven or stove
> >top cooking for me.
> >
> >G.
>
> What is illegal? Charcoal? Lighter fluid?

Using grills on back porches and balconeys in all apartments and
condos in Virginia. Many are made of wood so I suppose too many fires
started by charcoal grills. Moot in my apartment complex as my
balcony walls are brick, the ceiling and floor is concrete and the
railings are iron. No matter though....they are illegal to use here
too. My apartment even took the new law a bit further and announced
that they would confiscate any grills spotted out on the balconies. I
felt sorry for the neighbors that had nice expensive gas grills. I
only had a small dome-top weber charcoal grill.

G.

On Sun, 11 Aug 2013 12:48:35 -0400, Gary > wrote:

>

>>
>> What is illegal? Charcoal? Lighter fluid?
>
>Using grills on back porches and balconeys in all apartments and
>condos in Virginia. Many are made of wood so I suppose too many fires
>started by charcoal grills.

OK, thanks for the clarification. Yes, many fires have started on
wood decks and grills too close to the house too. Not just charcoal,
but gas grills too.

Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>
> On Sun, 11 Aug 2013 12:48:35 -0400, Gary > wrote:
>
> >
>
> >>
> >> What is illegal? Charcoal? Lighter fluid?
> >
> >Using grills on back porches and balconeys in all apartments and
> >condos in Virginia. Many are made of wood so I suppose too many fires
> >started by charcoal grills.
>
> OK, thanks for the clarification. Yes, many fires have started on
> wood decks and grills too close to the house too. Not just charcoal,
> but gas grills too.

My how time flys. I said maybe 5 years ago... The law went into effect
10 years ago.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/fr/1008150/posts

Seems my apartment complex would be exempt but they didn't take it
that way. You agree in your lease here not to use them now. Funny
though, many ppl here do still grill but they wait until after 5pm
when the workers here leave for the day. Many times do I smell
grilling nearby after 5pm.

G.