Anyone needs a new hot water heater or just wants to save a bunch of
money an On-Demand Tankless hot water heater works great... had this
installed yesterday:
http://i48.tinypic.com/ofm8x.jpg
http://i46.tinypic.com/20p318l.jpg

http://www.rinnai.us/tankless-water-...-vc2837ffud-us

On 3/14/2013 11:06 AM, Brooklyn1 wrote:
> Anyone needs a new hot water heater or just wants to save a bunch of
> money an On-Demand Tankless hot water heater works great... had this
> installed yesterday:
> http://i48.tinypic.com/ofm8x.jpg
> http://i46.tinypic.com/20p318l.jpg
>
> http://www.rinnai.us/tankless-water-...-vc2837ffud-us
>

Why would you need to heat hot water.

Don't you mean a "water heater"?

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"Janet Wilder" > wrote in message
eb.com...
> On 3/14/2013 11:06 AM, Brooklyn1 wrote:
>> Anyone needs a new hot water heater or just wants to save a bunch of
>> money an On-Demand Tankless hot water heater works great... had this
>> installed yesterday:
>> http://i48.tinypic.com/ofm8x.jpg
>> http://i46.tinypic.com/20p318l.jpg
>>
>> http://www.rinnai.us/tankless-water-...-vc2837ffud-us
>>
>
> Why would you need to heat hot water.
>

to keep it that way.

On Thu, 14 Mar 2013 11:38:18 -0500, Janet Wilder
> wrote:

>On 3/14/2013 11:06 AM, Brooklyn1 wrote:
>> Anyone needs a new hot water heater or just wants to save a bunch of
>> money an On-Demand Tankless hot water heater works great... had this
>> installed yesterday:
>> http://i48.tinypic.com/ofm8x.jpg
>> http://i46.tinypic.com/20p318l.jpg
>>
>> http://www.rinnai.us/tankless-water-...-vc2837ffud-us
>>
>
>Why would you need to heat hot water.
>
>Don't you mean a "water heater"?

Glad we're not discussing baby oil right now.

On Fri, 15 Mar 2013 08:17:44 +1100, Jeßus > wrote:

> On Thu, 14 Mar 2013 11:38:18 -0500, Janet Wilder
> > wrote:
>
> >On 3/14/2013 11:06 AM, Brooklyn1 wrote:
> >> Anyone needs a new hot water heater or just wants to save a bunch of
> >> money an On-Demand Tankless hot water heater works great... had this
> >> installed yesterday:
> >> http://i48.tinypic.com/ofm8x.jpg
> >> http://i46.tinypic.com/20p318l.jpg
> >>
> >> http://www.rinnai.us/tankless-water-...-vc2837ffud-us
> >>
> >
> >Why would you need to heat hot water.
> >
> >Don't you mean a "water heater"?
>
> Glad we're not discussing baby oil right now.

Okay, that made me laugh.

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"Brooklyn1" > wrote in message
...
> Anyone needs a new hot water heater or just wants to save a bunch of
> money an On-Demand Tankless hot water heater works great... had this
> installed yesterday:
> http://i48.tinypic.com/ofm8x.jpg
> http://i46.tinypic.com/20p318l.jpg
>
> http://www.rinnai.us/tankless-water-...-vc2837ffud-us

That is what we all a combi boiler and we have had one for a few years now.
It was great to get rid of the water tank and I use that space for other
things.

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On Mar 14, 12:06*pm, Brooklyn1 > wrote:
> Anyone needs a new hot water heater or just wants to save a bunch of
> money an On-Demand Tankless hot water heater works great..

Can you give us a little 'rithmetic on cost vs. projected savings?

On Thu, 14 Mar 2013 14:01:04 -0500, jay > wrote:

> I have a circulation pump that
> keeps warm water in the lines and also keeps kicking on the heater to
> keep the circ water hot, using fuel. In larger homes you really need a
> number of them.. talking serious money now.

Another thing I haven't heard of (probably because my climate is so
moderate). Does that work with regular hot water tanks too or is it
just a tankless add on feature? Water is expensive here too, but the
sewer charge is what really kills you.

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On Thu, 14 Mar 2013 17:15:35 -0500, jay > wrote:

> In article >,
> sf > wrote:
>
> > On Thu, 14 Mar 2013 14:01:04 -0500, jay > wrote:
> >
> > > I have a circulation pump that
> > > keeps warm water in the lines and also keeps kicking on the heater to
> > > keep the circ water hot, using fuel. In larger homes you really need a
> > > number of them.. talking serious money now.
> >
> > Another thing I haven't heard of (probably because my climate is so
> > moderate). Does that work with regular hot water tanks too or is it
> > just a tankless add on feature? Water is expensive here too, but the
> > sewer charge is what really kills you.
>
> You can add a circulation pump to a traditional standing water heater
> tank. It's actually a very easy DIY. More difficult plumber job for the
> tankless. The pump is installed under a sink furtherest from the tank.
> You need an electrical source. It has a thermostat and when water in
> the line cools it pulls hot water from the tank and pushes the cooled
> water through the cold side back to the tank. I have had one before and
> it works well.. not this brand though.
>
> http://tinyurl.com/bnrvhdd
>
I looked it up immediately after I posted and found this one
http://www.rewci.com/whhohotwaci.html Looks like a great idea and not
expensive at all. I wonder why they aren't touted more?


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"sf" > wrote in message
>> You can add a circulation pump to a traditional standing water heater
>> tank. It's actually a very easy DIY. More difficult plumber job for the
>> tankless. The pump is installed under a sink furtherest from the tank.
>> You need an electrical source. It has a thermostat and when water in
>> the line cools it pulls hot water from the tank and pushes the cooled
>> water through the cold side back to the tank. I have had one before and
>> it works well.. not this brand though.
>>
>> http://tinyurl.com/bnrvhdd
>>
> I looked it up immediately after I posted and found this one
> http://www.rewci.com/whhohotwaci.html Looks like a great idea and not
> expensive at all. I wonder why they aren't touted more?
>

That is a very interesting system. Used to be, you needed a return line and
it was a fairly expensive installation. This setup eliminates that.

The need also varies with the layout of the house. My hot water is located
fairly close to both bathrooms and kitchen so I don't see the need. In a
house that is very long and utilities at the far end, it can be a long wait
for the hot water. and perhaps can be justified.

On Thu, 14 Mar 2013 14:01:04 -0500, jay > wrote:

>In article
>,
> Kalmia > wrote:
>
>> On Mar 14, 12:06*pm, Brooklyn1 > wrote:
>> > Anyone needs a new hot water heater or just wants to save a bunch of
>> > money an On-Demand Tankless hot water heater works great..
>>
>> Can you give us a little 'rithmetic on cost vs. projected savings?
>
>It will be fuzzy. Too many variables and many are not known. Every
>installation is different and the costs of services are different and
>hot water usage varies etc. The heater is very efficient but you can
>buy a lot of fuel for the difference in cost of installation in most
>cases. I have one and would be just as happy with the old fashion tank.
>Its a feel good kind of thing in many instances somewhat like hybrid or
>electric vehicles. They cost more to buy and when you need the battery
>in your Prius you just spent all that jingle you thought you were saving
>at the pump. Like a fancy watch ... some people want this stuff when
>they could get the time off their Iphone or Timex. Here, heating water
>is cheap but the water isn't.
>
>Also every time you crack the hot spigot open for a couple of seconds
>the heater fires up and if you don't run it a while you don't get hot
>water. If it is not placed in a very central location in regard to your
>kitchen and baths you have to run a lot of water before the hot stuff
>arrives. (Same with a standing tank) I have a circulation pump that
>keeps warm water in the lines and also keeps kicking on the heater to
>keep the circ water hot, using fuel. In larger homes you really need a
>number of them.. talking serious money now.
>
>AND.. they require annual maintenance to the tune of a couple hundred
>bucks a pop unless you buy a pump and 5 gallons of vinegar and do it
>yourself.
>
>jay

Not a feel good thing here. When you have three adults, 2 teenage boys
and two little girls in your household a storage tank hot water system
is just not going to cut it when everyone wants a morning shower.

The closest hot water taps to the unit get hot water within seconds,
the farthest (kitchen) in about 40 seconds. That sink has a gadget to
capture the running water until it gets hot.

JB

On Fri, 15 Mar 2013 14:09:27 +0800, JBurns >
wrote:



>
>Not a feel good thing here. When you have three adults, 2 teenage boys
>and two little girls in your household a storage tank hot water system
>is just not going to cut it when everyone wants a morning shower.
>

Sure it will, if you have the correct setup. In my house you can take
two showers at a time and do that and more. It is a System 2000 by
Energy Kinetics.

We've had ours a couple of years now and I like it. Our house is approx. 2,000 sf, two stories. My main complaint is a lack of hot water when the power goes out. Our old tank heater didn't need electricity to give us hot water when the house was freezing cold during a power outage, so we could at least take a nice hot shower before bed. I also dislike having to always wash my hands in cold water, it takes quite a while to get the hot water to the tap. On the other hand, I don't have to wait to take a shower after doing laundry, or running the dishwasher. We also converted our wood burning fireplace to natural gas, that saves a little money too. Electricity bill is less because the fireplace doesn't require electricity, except to start. It uses batteries to start during a power outage, so now we don't freeze when we lose power. So far this winter, the power has stayed on. Last tear we were out for eight days.

On Thu, 14 Mar 2013 12:06:11 -0400, Brooklyn1
> wrote:

>Anyone needs a new hot water heater or just wants to save a bunch of
>money an On-Demand Tankless hot water heater works great... had this
>installed yesterday:
>http://i48.tinypic.com/ofm8x.jpg
>http://i46.tinypic.com/20p318l.jpg
>
>http://www.rinnai.us/tankless-water-...-vc2837ffud-us

Would be good as a back-up for solar hot water in mid-winter...

On Thu, 14 Mar 2013 12:06:11 -0400, Brooklyn1
> wrote:

>Anyone needs a new hot water heater...

Hey Sheldon!! HOT water does not need heating! What you are talking
about is a water heater!!

DUH!!!

John Kuthe...

On Thu, 14 Mar 2013 11:25:06 -0500, jay > wrote:

>In article >,
> Brooklyn1 > wrote:
>
>> Anyone needs a new hot water heater or just wants to save a bunch of
>> money an On-Demand Tankless hot water heater works great... had this
>> installed yesterday:
>> http://i48.tinypic.com/ofm8x.jpg
>> http://i46.tinypic.com/20p318l.jpg
>>
>> http://www.rinnai.us/tankless-water-...-vc2837ffud-us
>
>Nice clean installation.. and they installed proper flush ports and
>installed a sediment trap on the gas line. Good for you! Rinnai is known
>to be a good product. Works well if centrally located. Mine has to be
>circulated due to location and I don't think it saves that much on the
>bill. I have a Noritz.

I don't know about the Noritz brand, why did you choose it?
My propane company said that they'd only install Rinnai, said it's the
best... they assured me my savings would be better than 40%... I think
more because I was heating hot water with my house heating boiler, now
I can shut that gas guzzler off throughout the entire non-heating
season... I'm also using that vent-less gas heater, with it running my
boiler hardly runs, that little thing is 99% efficient (has no chimney
to waste heat). They always do a first class install job, no
skimping on quality parts. They had three guys working all day, a lot
was plumbing work on my boiler to get rid of the two hot water holding
tanks and all the extraneous plumbing, one was for my water jacketed
wood burning stove, I will never use it. I don't recommend anyone
attempt this as a DIY project.

On Thu, 14 Mar 2013 13:39:38 -0500, jay > wrote:

>In article >,
> Brooklyn1 > wrote:
>
>>
>> I don't know about the Noritz brand, why did you choose it?
>
>Was here first. Don't know what your installers told you but check this
>out... I keep mine set at 115 F degrees. (My dishwasher has a heater)
>The hotter the water the faster the scale builds up, and I was told it
>increases rapidly over 120 F. I really don't know if it is true but I'm
>experimenting. Mine is 6 years old and never been flushed. They tell
>you to pump vinegar through the heater annually. I don't... don't
>wanna. If it makes another 4 years I'll get a Rinnai if it doesn't I'll
>still get a Rinnai. The installation is not that difficult if you are
>plumbed for it already. I'm guessing you spent over 3K.

Mine is set at 115º too, they said that's more than adequate and it
certainly was when I tested it showering this morning, even had to add
a bit of cold. The highest it will go is 120º but they said so far no
one needed it that high... depends on how low the cold water
temperature is when it enters the unit. It does take a little longer
for hot water to come out the tap but maybe only a minute and a half
instead of the one minute previously... but still it gets warm much
quicker than it did before, probably because the unit is now placed
about halfway between bathrooms, the old system was close to the
laundry room. And now it's still winter temperatures here, it's in
the 20s today, so my cold water is pretty cold... I bet things will be
different in summer. I asked about maintenence, I have my own well, I
have a water softener and a particulate filter, they said I may never
need to flush it, but it's no big deal and they will be happy to
oblige... one of the nice things is I buy propane from them so service
is usually free or very minimal, except for special parts. They
charged me $2,400, that was for the unit, all the parts, and all the
labor... and there was a lot of parts and plenty of labor needed after
removing the storage tanks, circulators, electricals and all the
extraneous plumbing. The thing I can tell you is that Rinnai doesn't
warranty the unit unless a qualified installer does the install. It's
too soon to tell but so far I love it.

On Thu, 14 Mar 2013 11:25:06 -0500, jay > wrote:

> In article >,
> Brooklyn1 > wrote:
>
> > Anyone needs a new hot water heater or just wants to save a bunch of
> > money an On-Demand Tankless hot water heater works great... had this
> > installed yesterday:
> > http://i48.tinypic.com/ofm8x.jpg
> > http://i46.tinypic.com/20p318l.jpg
> >
> > http://www.rinnai.us/tankless-water-...-vc2837ffud-us
>
> Nice clean installation.. and they installed proper flush ports and
> installed a sediment trap on the gas line. Good for you! Rinnai is know
> to be a good product. Works well if centrally located. Mine has to be
> circulated due to location and I don't think it saves that much on the
> bill. I have a Noritz.
>
So these are whole house units? Probably work better in smaller
houses, 1500 sf and under.

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On Thu, 14 Mar 2013 11:42:32 -0700, sf > wrote:

>On Thu, 14 Mar 2013 11:25:06 -0500, jay > wrote:
>
>> In article >,
>> Brooklyn1 > wrote:
>>
>> > Anyone needs a new hot water heater or just wants to save a bunch of
>> > money an On-Demand Tankless hot water heater works great... had this
>> > installed yesterday:
>> > http://i48.tinypic.com/ofm8x.jpg
>> > http://i46.tinypic.com/20p318l.jpg
>> >
>> > http://www.rinnai.us/tankless-water-...-vc2837ffud-us
>>
>> Nice clean installation.. and they installed proper flush ports and
>> installed a sediment trap on the gas line. Good for you! Rinnai is know
>> to be a good product. Works well if centrally located. Mine has to be
>> circulated due to location and I don't think it saves that much on the
>> bill. I have a Noritz.
>>
>So these are whole house units? Probably work better in smaller
>houses, 1500 sf and under.

That's totally untrue... large hotels are using them now (they save a
lot of money). Naturally the units are available in several sizes,
same as ordinary water heaters... unless you have more than four
showers running all at once you wouldn't need a unit larger than the
one I have. And for large commercial use several units can be used at
once. The unit also needs to be sized based on climate, I live where
it's cold so the water is colder so I need a higher rated unit. But
most of the savings is because of the on-demand feature, it only heats
the water that's needed at the moment, there's no idle large tank of
water to keep hot. I showered a full twenty minutes this morning, the
water was as hot when I started as when I finished. Oh, and
conventional tank type water heaters need service too, of course most
folks neglect them and so they're even less efficient, and they don't
have a very long life.