Okay, someone... tell me if you can read this message. (I'm really not
trying to mess with your heads when it comes to newsreaders.)

I'm still not having any luck getting it to download ANY messages. It
doesn't make any sense. I can read other ng's just fine. Absolutely
blank when it comes to reading anything from this ng.

Perhaps if someone replies I'll be able to view other posts.

Jill

"jmcquown" wrote in message ...

Okay, someone... tell me if you can read this message. (I'm really not
trying to mess with your heads when it comes to newsreaders.)

I'm still not having any luck getting it to download ANY messages. It
doesn't make any sense. I can read other ng's just fine. Absolutely
blank when it comes to reading anything from this ng.

Perhaps if someone replies I'll be able to view other posts.

Jill



No one has replied but I still can't get the blasted program to d/l *any*
posts from this particular ng. I've run repair on the folder, unsubscribed
and re subscribed. It's stupid. I can read and post to other ngs without
any problems. I give up.

OB Food: Pan fried 6 strips of bacon (I'm a fiend for bacon), then added
those sliced canned potatoes and fried them in the drippings. Yum! In the
same skillet I then cooked two eggs over medium. Not exactly breakfast time
here but who cares what you call it? The leftover potatoes will be
re-crisped to accompany a cheeseburger for dinner.

Jill

On 11/5/2012 10:46 AM, jmcquown wrote:
> Okay, someone... tell me if you can read this message. (I'm really not
> trying to mess with your heads when it comes to newsreaders.)
>
> I'm still not having any luck getting it to download ANY messages. It
> doesn't make any sense. I can read other ng's just fine. Absolutely
> blank when it comes to reading anything from this ng.
>
> Perhaps if someone replies I'll be able to view other posts.
>
> Jill

<waves>

On Mon, 05 Nov 2012 10:46:35 -0500, jmcquown >
wrote:

>Okay, someone... tell me if you can read this message. (I'm really not
>trying to mess with your heads when it comes to newsreaders.)
>
>I'm still not having any luck getting it to download ANY messages. It
>doesn't make any sense. I can read other ng's just fine. Absolutely
>blank when it comes to reading anything from this ng.
>
>Perhaps if someone replies I'll be able to view other posts.
>
>Jill
I saw your message just fine.
Janet US

"jmcquown" > wrote in message
...
> Okay, someone... tell me if you can read this message. (I'm really not
> trying to mess with your heads when it comes to newsreaders.)
>
> I'm still not having any luck getting it to download ANY messages. It
> doesn't make any sense. I can read other ng's just fine. Absolutely
> blank when it comes to reading anything from this ng.
>
> Perhaps if someone replies I'll be able to view other posts.
>
> Jill


I can't see Russia from here, but I can see your posts.

On 11/5/2012 9:46 AM, jmcquown wrote:
> Okay, someone... tell me if you can read this message. (I'm really not
> trying to mess with your heads when it comes to newsreaders.)
>
> I'm still not having any luck getting it to download ANY messages. It
> doesn't make any sense. I can read other ng's just fine. Absolutely
> blank when it comes to reading anything from this ng.
>
> Perhaps if someone replies I'll be able to view other posts.
>
> Jill

I was at the gym when you posted. I can read your post just fine.

--
Janet Wilder
Way-the-heck-south Texas
Spelling doesn't count. Cooking does.

Jill,

Might I suggest that you delete this newsgroup and then re-add it to TB?
Since many of us don't have the problems you seems to have (I just got
an update to TB before logging in here) perhaps the problem is with your
news server and not the newsreader. Who are you using as a news server?

--
Janet Wilder
Way-the-heck-south Texas
Spelling doesn't count. Cooking does.

On Mon, 05 Nov 2012 10:46:35 -0500, jmcquown >
wrote:

> Okay, someone... tell me if you can read this message. (I'm really not
> trying to mess with your heads when it comes to newsreaders.)
>
> I'm still not having any luck getting it to download ANY messages. It
> doesn't make any sense. I can read other ng's just fine. Absolutely
> blank when it comes to reading anything from this ng.
>
> Perhaps if someone replies I'll be able to view other posts.
>
You probably have the wrong "view" selected. I know nothing about
TBird. In Agent, you'd toggle the binoculars above the TOC on the
Message List tab and choose "not ignored".


--
Food is an important part of a balanced diet.

On 2012-11-05, Malcom "Mal" Reynolds > wrote:

> have you gone to the Thunderbird forums and either searched for an answer or
> posted your problem?

http://forums.mozillazine.org/index.php?c=3

This is a Mozilla support forum for all things firefox, t-bird and
seamonkey. I can never remember what I last registered as nor my
password, but you can register as many times as you want. You have to
keep pace with it, though, as your post will move quickly and
disappear almost beyond finding within a few days. OTOH, if yer
question is not answered within 3-4 days, it probably never will be.

nb

--
Definition of objectivism:
"Eff you! I got mine."
http://www.nongmoproject.org/

In article >,
"jmcquown" > wrote:


> >
> > (back on Windows Mail, not ideal, I know) I'm not sure how to d/l an
> > earlier version! The one I find available for download is version 16.2.
> > I'm about ready to give up. Why is it ignoring anything and everything
> > from
> > *only* this one newsgroup? I can read and post to other newsgroups. It
> > really doesn't make any sense. I've checked the properties set for the
> > other ngs, they're all the same.
> >
> > Jill
>
> have you gone to the Thunderbird forums and either searched for an answer or
> posted your problem?
>
>
> Yes, I have. Unresponsive. Another person on their forum said they were
> having a similar problem but so far we've gotten no helpful answers. It's
> frustrating. I can use it to view other ng's, but I cannot see any posts
> from this one.
>
> Jill

are there any computer users groups in your area or one that you can either sign
up for or just ask questions? Local college with some computer whiz kid?

On 11/5/2012 1:32 PM, jmcquown wrote:
>
> Oh trust me. I've done everything I can *think* of to fix this problem.
> Unsubscribed from rfc, subscribed again. Uninstalled T bird,
> reinstalled. Checked all the settings against the newsgroups I can
> download, read and post to. I cannot explain it and I can't seem to fix
> it. No one had any answers I posed the questions in the Thunderbird
> help forum.
>
> Jill

Check your filters. I'd just delete any filters you find. The next step
would be to remove the "profiles" folder from the Thunderbird folder.

jmcquown wrote:
>
> Okay, someone... tell me if you can read this message. (I'm really not
> trying to mess with your heads when it comes to newsreaders.)
>
> I'm still not having any luck getting it to download ANY messages. It
> doesn't make any sense. I can read other ng's just fine. Absolutely
> blank when it comes to reading anything from this ng.
>
> Perhaps if someone replies I'll be able to view other posts.
>
> Jill

I got this, Jill. Your time says 10:46am

On Mon, 05 Nov 2012 16:41:23 -0700, "Malcom \"Mal\" Reynolds"
> wrote:

>In article >,
> "jmcquown" > wrote:
>> >
>> > (back on Windows Mail, not ideal, I know) I'm not sure how to d/l an
>> > earlier version! The one I find available for download is version 16.2.
>> > I'm about ready to give up. Why is it ignoring anything and everything
>> > from
>> > *only* this one newsgroup? I can read and post to other newsgroups. It
>> > really doesn't make any sense. I've checked the properties set for the
>> > other ngs, they're all the same.
>>
>> have you gone to the Thunderbird forums and either searched for an answer or
>> posted your problem?
>>
>>
>> Yes, I have. Unresponsive. Another person on their forum said they were
>> having a similar problem but so far we've gotten no helpful answers. It's
>> frustrating. I can use it to view other ng's, but I cannot see any posts
>> from this one.
>
>are there any computer users groups in your area or one that you can either sign
>up for or just ask questions? Local college with some computer whiz kid?

Most any senior center has a few nerds that regularly teach computer
classes, from beginner to advanced. The fees are very modest, like
ten classes over ten weeks for $30. Public libraries the same. And
of course local high schools... todays teens know more than the old
farts.

On Monday, November 5, 2012 9:46:45 AM UTC-6, jmcquown wrote:
> Okay, someone... tell me if you can read this message. (I'm really not
> trying to mess with your heads when it comes to newsreaders.)
>
> I'm still not having any luck getting it to download ANY messages. It
> doesn't make any sense. I can read other ng's just fine. Absolutely
> blank when it comes to reading anything from this ng.
[snip]
> Jill

Using which newsgroups server? Eternal September has been having problems, especially with Thunderbird, lately.

Robert Miles

"Brooklyn1" wrote in message
...

On Mon, 05 Nov 2012 16:41:23 -0700, "Malcom \"Mal\" Reynolds"
> wrote:

>In article >,
> "jmcquown" > wrote:
>> >
>> > (back on Windows Mail, not ideal, I know) I'm not sure how to d/l an
>> > earlier version! The one I find available for download is version
>> > 16.2.
>> > I'm about ready to give up. Why is it ignoring anything and everything
>> > from
>> > *only* this one newsgroup? I can read and post to other newsgroups.
>> > It
>> > really doesn't make any sense. I've checked the properties set for the
>> > other ngs, they're all the same.
>>
>> have you gone to the Thunderbird forums and either searched for an answer
>> or
>> posted your problem?
>>
>>
>> Yes, I have. Unresponsive. Another person on their forum said they were
>> having a similar problem but so far we've gotten no helpful answers.
>> It's
>> frustrating. I can use it to view other ng's, but I cannot see any posts
>> from this one.
>
>are there any computer users groups in your area or one that you can either
>sign
>up for or just ask questions? Local college with some computer whiz kid?

Most any senior center has a few nerds that regularly teach computer
classes, from beginner to advanced. The fees are very modest, like
ten classes over ten weeks for $30. Public libraries the same. And
of course local high schools... todays teens know more than the old
farts.


Most teens have never *heard* of usenet/newsgroups, unless perhaps mommy or
daddy have access. Hell, some alleged IT people have never heard of them,
either. I remember when we got a new guy in IT, he was (at the very least)
in his forties. He maintained the mail servers. The option to d/l
subscribe to newsgroups was turned off (IIRC we were all using Outlook, not
OE, but there was the button for ng's. It was disabled. I mentioned to him
I'd like to be able to read newsgroups on my lunch hour. He gave me a blank
look. "Newsgroups?". Yes, newsgroups. He had no idea what I was talking
about.

Jill

"Robert Miles" wrote in message
...

On Monday, November 5, 2012 9:46:45 AM UTC-6, jmcquown wrote:
> Okay, someone... tell me if you can read this message. (I'm really not
> trying to mess with your heads when it comes to newsreaders.)
>
> I'm still not having any luck getting it to download ANY messages. It
> doesn't make any sense. I can read other ng's just fine. Absolutely
> blank when it comes to reading anything from this ng.
[snip]
> Jill

Using which newsgroups server? Eternal September has been having problems,
especially with Thunderbird, lately.

Robert Miles



news.individual.net is the news server. T-Bird works for the other two ngs,
just not for *this* one. I really don't understand it.

Jill

"Gary" wrote in message ...

jmcquown wrote:
>
> Okay, someone... tell me if you can read this message. (I'm really not
> trying to mess with your heads when it comes to newsreaders.)
>
> I'm still not having any luck getting it to download ANY messages. It
> doesn't make any sense. I can read other ng's just fine. Absolutely
> blank when it comes to reading anything from this ng.
>
> Perhaps if someone replies I'll be able to view other posts.
>
> Jill

I got this, Jill. Your time says 10:46am


Thanks! But I still can't use T-Bird to read or reply to any existing
messages from *this* ng. It simply refuses to show them to me. It sucks.

Jill

On 11/6/2012 9:04 AM, jmcquown wrote:
> "Gary" wrote in message ...
>
> jmcquown wrote:
>>
>> Okay, someone... tell me if you can read this message. (I'm really not
>> trying to mess with your heads when it comes to newsreaders.)
>>
>> I'm still not having any luck getting it to download ANY messages. It
>> doesn't make any sense. I can read other ng's just fine. Absolutely
>> blank when it comes to reading anything from this ng.
>>
>> Perhaps if someone replies I'll be able to view other posts.
>>
>> Jill
>
> I got this, Jill. Your time says 10:46am
>
>
> Thanks! But I still can't use T-Bird to read or reply to any existing
> messages from *this* ng. It simply refuses to show them to me. It sucks.
>
> Jill
>

Try using another newsserver (say eternal-September). Just add another
account to tbird.

On 11/6/2012 3:23 AM, Robert Miles wrote:
> On Monday, November 5, 2012 9:46:45 AM UTC-6, jmcquown wrote:
>> Okay, someone... tell me if you can read this message. (I'm really not
>> trying to mess with your heads when it comes to newsreaders.)
>>
>> I'm still not having any luck getting it to download ANY messages. It
>> doesn't make any sense. I can read other ng's just fine. Absolutely
>> blank when it comes to reading anything from this ng.
> [snip]
>> Jill
>
> Using which newsgroups server? Eternal September has been having problems, especially with Thunderbird, lately.
>
> Robert Miles
>

I use tbird with them as a news server and do not have issues.

On 11/6/2012 8:34 AM, jmcquown wrote:
> "Robert Miles" wrote in message
> ...
>
> On Monday, November 5, 2012 9:46:45 AM UTC-6, jmcquown wrote:
>> Okay, someone... tell me if you can read this message. (I'm really not
>> trying to mess with your heads when it comes to newsreaders.)
>>
>> I'm still not having any luck getting it to download ANY messages. It
>> doesn't make any sense. I can read other ng's just fine. Absolutely
>> blank when it comes to reading anything from this ng.
> [snip]
>> Jill
>
> Using which newsgroups server? Eternal September has been having
> problems, especially with Thunderbird, lately.
>
> Robert Miles
>
>
>
> news.individual.net is the news server. T-Bird works for the other two
> ngs, just not for *this* one. I really don't understand it.
>
> Jill

Add eternal-september as another account for a test.

"George" wrote in message ...

On 11/6/2012 8:34 AM, jmcquown wrote:
> "Robert Miles" wrote in message
> ...
>
> On Monday, November 5, 2012 9:46:45 AM UTC-6, jmcquown wrote:
>> Okay, someone... tell me if you can read this message. (I'm really not
>> trying to mess with your heads when it comes to newsreaders.)
>>
>> I'm still not having any luck getting it to download ANY messages. It
>> doesn't make any sense. I can read other ng's just fine. Absolutely
>> blank when it comes to reading anything from this ng.
> [snip]
>> Jill
>
> Using which newsgroups server? Eternal September has been having
> problems, especially with Thunderbird, lately.
>
> Robert Miles
>
>
>
> news.individual.net is the news server. T-Bird works for the other two
> ngs, just not for *this* one. I really don't understand it.
>
> Jill

Add eternal-september as another account for a test.


Got the port and other info I'll need to add that? Also, is it free? NIN
isn't but it's a cheap annual amount and they usually have very good
support. Of course they're in Berlin so I don't know when they're
available.

Jill

On 11/6/2012 9:53 AM, jmcquown wrote:
> "George" wrote in message ...
>
> On 11/6/2012 8:34 AM, jmcquown wrote:
>> "Robert Miles" wrote in message
>> ...
>>
>> On Monday, November 5, 2012 9:46:45 AM UTC-6, jmcquown wrote:
>>> Okay, someone... tell me if you can read this message. (I'm really not
>>> trying to mess with your heads when it comes to newsreaders.)
>>>
>>> I'm still not having any luck getting it to download ANY messages. It
>>> doesn't make any sense. I can read other ng's just fine. Absolutely
>>> blank when it comes to reading anything from this ng.
>> [snip]
>>> Jill
>>
>> Using which newsgroups server? Eternal September has been having
>> problems, especially with Thunderbird, lately.
>>
>> Robert Miles
>>
>>
>>
>> news.individual.net is the news server. T-Bird works for the other two
>> ngs, just not for *this* one. I really don't understand it.
>>
>> Jill
>
> Add eternal-september as another account for a test.
>
>
> Got the port and other info I'll need to add that? Also, is it free?
> NIN isn't but it's a cheap annual amount and they usually have very good
> support. Of course they're in Berlin so I don't know when they're
> available.
>
> Jill
>

It is free. Just go here and create an account:

http://www.eternal-september.org/

On Tue, 6 Nov 2012 08:12:27 -0500, "jmcquown" >
wrote:
snip
>
>Most teens have never *heard* of usenet/newsgroups, unless perhaps mommy or
>daddy have access. Hell, some alleged IT people have never heard of them,
>either. I remember when we got a new guy in IT, he was (at the very least)
>in his forties. He maintained the mail servers. The option to d/l
>subscribe to newsgroups was turned off (IIRC we were all using Outlook, not
>OE, but there was the button for ng's. It was disabled. I mentioned to him
>I'd like to be able to read newsgroups on my lunch hour. He gave me a blank
>look. "Newsgroups?". Yes, newsgroups. He had no idea what I was talking
>about.
>
>Jill

I haven't found any techies that knew what Usenet or newsgroups is.
Janet US

On Tue, 6 Nov 2012 08:34:31 -0500, "jmcquown" >
wrote:

>"Robert Miles" wrote in message
...
>
>On Monday, November 5, 2012 9:46:45 AM UTC-6, jmcquown wrote:
>> Okay, someone... tell me if you can read this message. (I'm really not
>> trying to mess with your heads when it comes to newsreaders.)
>>
>> I'm still not having any luck getting it to download ANY messages. It
>> doesn't make any sense. I can read other ng's just fine. Absolutely
>> blank when it comes to reading anything from this ng.
>[snip]
>> Jill
>
>Using which newsgroups server? Eternal September has been having problems,
>especially with Thunderbird, lately.
>
>Robert Miles
>
>
>
>news.individual.net is the news server. T-Bird works for the other two ngs,
>just not for *this* one. I really don't understand it.
>
>Jill

I am really dumb about this stuff, but I have always read through the
list of newsgroups carried by the news server before I chose a news
server.

On 11/6/12 10:44 AM, Janet Bostwick wrote:
>
> I haven't found any techies that knew what Usenet or newsgroups is.

Maybe they'd recognize the nntp protocol.

-- Larry

jmcquown wrote:
>
> Most teens have never *heard* of usenet/newsgroups, unless perhaps mommy or
> daddy have access. Hell, some alleged IT people have never heard of them,
> either. I remember when we got a new guy in IT, he was (at the very least)
> in his forties. He maintained the mail servers. The option to d/l
> subscribe to newsgroups was turned off (IIRC we were all using Outlook, not
> OE, but there was the button for ng's. It was disabled. I mentioned to him
> I'd like to be able to read newsgroups on my lunch hour. He gave me a blank
> look. "Newsgroups?". Yes, newsgroups. He had no idea what I was talking
> about.

I agree with you, Jill. Everyone has computers now but very few people I
know know about usenet. Anytime I talk about usenet or my newsgroups, I
have to explain to them what I'm talking about. It's even worse now that
most isps have discontinued support for usenet.

Gary

jmcquown wrote:
>
> "Gary" wrote in message ...
>
> jmcquown wrote:
> >
> > Okay, someone... tell me if you can read this message. (I'm really not
> > trying to mess with your heads when it comes to newsreaders.)
> >
> > I'm still not having any luck getting it to download ANY messages. It
> > doesn't make any sense. I can read other ng's just fine. Absolutely
> > blank when it comes to reading anything from this ng.
> >
> > Perhaps if someone replies I'll be able to view other posts.
> >
> > Jill
>
> I got this, Jill. Your time says 10:46am
>
> Thanks! But I still can't use T-Bird to read or reply to any existing
> messages from *this* ng. It simply refuses to show them to me. It sucks.
>
> Jill

Kinda sounds to me like maybe they don't carry this ng? If you can't read
or reply, that might be the case.

Gary

On 11/6/2012 3:23 AM, Robert Miles wrote:
> On Monday, November 5, 2012 9:46:45 AM UTC-6, jmcquown wrote:
>> Okay, someone... tell me if you can read this message. (I'm really not
>> trying to mess with your heads when it comes to newsreaders.)
>>
>> I'm still not having any luck getting it to download ANY messages. It
>> doesn't make any sense. I can read other ng's just fine. Absolutely
>> blank when it comes to reading anything from this ng.
> [snip]
>> Jill
>
> Using which newsgroups server? Eternal September has been having problems, especially with Thunderbird, lately.

I think usenet-news is having trouble, too. I keep finding duplicate
messages.

On 11/6/2012 9:22 AM, jmcquown wrote:
>
> I'd already looked into XNews. It is not supported for Windows 7. I
> haven't used an XP machine in years.

It works fine on Win 7. It's one of the most portable newsreaders I've used.

Gary wrote:
> jmcquown wrote:
>> "Gary" wrote in message ...
>>
>> jmcquown wrote:
>>> Okay, someone... tell me if you can read this message. (I'm really not
>>> trying to mess with your heads when it comes to newsreaders.)
>>>
>>> I'm still not having any luck getting it to download ANY messages. It
>>> doesn't make any sense. I can read other ng's just fine. Absolutely
>>> blank when it comes to reading anything from this ng.
>>>
>>> Perhaps if someone replies I'll be able to view other posts.
>>>
>>> Jill
>> I got this, Jill. Your time says 10:46am
>>
>> Thanks! But I still can't use T-Bird to read or reply to any existing
>> messages from *this* ng. It simply refuses to show them to me. It sucks.
>>
>> Jill
>
> Kinda sounds to me like maybe they don't carry this ng? If you can't read
> or reply, that might be the case.
>
> Gary

She's using NIN, which many of us use.

On Tuesday, November 6, 2012 11:31:37 PM UTC-6, Sqwertz wrote:
> On Tue, 06 Nov 2012 09:38:32 -0500, George wrote:
[snip]
> > Try using another newsserver (say eternal-September). Just add another
> > account to tbird.

Eternal September is currently having problems with connections from Tbird, if
there is any effort to use SSL. It seems that a security certificate expired, and Tbird did not make any effort to download a new version of that certificate.

Robert Miles

"jmcquown" wrote in message ...

Okay, someone... tell me if you can read this message. (I'm really not
trying to mess with your heads when it comes to newsreaders.)

I'm still not having any luck getting it to download ANY messages. It
doesn't make any sense. I can read other ng's just fine. Absolutely
blank when it comes to reading anything from this ng.

Perhaps if someone replies I'll be able to view other posts.

Jill

~~~~~~~
I can see your message. I noticed, though, that when you posted a follow-up
to yourself, it did *not* show markers for quoted text (same problem the WLM
causes, and I think it was one of the reasons you are trying TB). I gave up
on TB long ago.

MaryL

John J > wrote in
:

>>
>>I have said time, and time, and time again.
>>
>>Use TBird for email and use something else for news.
>>
>>I *highly* recommend Xnews.
>>
>>
>>http://xnews.newsguy.com/
>>
>>
>>http://download.cnet.com/Xnews/3000-...-10026377.html
>
> This also makes sure you don't mistakenly send personal email to a
> newsgroup. For some unknown reason, this always only happens with
> emails containing awkward personal information.
>




Eggzackree.




--
Peter Lucas KÆmp for alt
Brisbane Hvad du har kÆrt,
Australia Dø om saa det gÆlder !
Da er livet ej saa svÆrt
Døden ikke heller

Argenta Gap Cemetery, Italy, near Commachio.
Plot 11, SAS Maj. Anders Lassen V.C.

John J > wrote in
:

>>
>>I have said time, and time, and time again.
>>
>>Use TBird for email and use something else for news.
>>
>>I *highly* recommend Xnews.
>>
>>
>>http://xnews.newsguy.com/
>>
>>
>>http://download.cnet.com/Xnews/3000-...-10026377.html
>
> This also makes sure you don't mistakenly send personal email to a
> newsgroup. For some unknown reason, this always only happens with
> emails containing awkward personal information.
>




Eggzackree.




--
Peter Lucas KÆmp for alt
Brisbane Hvad du har kÆrt,
Australia Dø om saa det gÆlder !
Da er livet ej saa svÆrt
Døden ikke heller

Argenta Gap Cemetery, Italy, near Commachio.
Plot 11, SAS Maj. Anders Lassen V.C.

Robert Miles wrote:
> On Tuesday, November 6, 2012 11:31:37 PM UTC-6, Sqwertz wrote:
>> On Tue, 06 Nov 2012 09:38:32 -0500, George wrote:
> [snip]
>>> Try using another newsserver (say eternal-September). Just add another
>>> account to tbird.
>
> Eternal September is currently having problems with connections from Tbird, if
> there is any effort to use SSL. It seems that a security certificate expired, and Tbird did not make any effort to download a new version of that certificate.
>
> Robert Miles

Hmmm. I have ES as my backup, not that one really needs a backup
with NIN. I wonder whether what you say is also true of (related)
Seamonkey.

Sqwertz wrote:
> On Wed, 07 Nov 2012 20:36:50 -0500, Jean B. wrote:
>
>> Robert Miles wrote:
>>> On Tuesday, November 6, 2012 11:31:37 PM UTC-6, Sqwertz wrote:
>>> Eternal September is currently having problems with connections from Tbird, if
>>> there is any effort to use SSL. It seems that a security certificate expired, and Tbird did not make any effort to download a new version of that certificate.
>> Hmmm. I have ES as my backup, not that one really needs a backup
>> with NIN. I wonder whether what you say is also true of (related)
>> Seamonkey.
>
> You're probably not using SSL for newsgroups. If you are, you can
> just turn it off and change the port back to 119. The drawback is
> that people across the net can spy on your Usenet habits (imagine
> that!). Which isn't really an issue for the casual user - especially
> on E-S (since they don't carry the "sensitive" binary newsgroups).
>
> -sw

I will check that out--although I am not having an issue with NGs
(although I haven't checked ES).