I bought the new chrome bread box. I thought it had a window in it but it
did not. It does have a vent in the back though, which perhaps is
important.

The bread company never got back to me about my complaint but oddly enough
they had only one lone package of the bread at Winco today. Normally there
are dozens of packages. I had noticed before that the bread felt very cold
and it did feel cold again today. They have a rack for it set up on some
meat freezer cases. I wonder if that could have anything to do with the
cause of the mold? Perhaps the bread itself feels cold but perhaps the way
the freezer is venting is affecting it? Or perhaps the way it is stored in
the stockroom?

I checked the front and back pieces of bread well. Didn't look moldy. But
I was also afraid to buy it. There was no white bread there at all. Only
the lone package of the wheat. So what happened to all the other bread?
And there always is a ton! I doubt that someone bought it all. I opted to
buy the whole wheat pita instead.

None of my other bread has gone moldy. Neither did the bran muffins.

"Julie Bove" > wrote in message
...
>I bought the new chrome bread box. I thought it had a window in it but it
>did not. It does have a vent in the back though, which perhaps is
>important.
>
> The bread company never got back to me about my complaint but oddly enough
> they had only one lone package of the bread at Winco today. Normally
> there are dozens of packages. I had noticed before that the bread felt
> very cold and it did feel cold again today. They have a rack for it set
> up on some meat freezer cases. I wonder if that could have anything to do
> with the cause of the mold? Perhaps the bread itself feels cold but
> perhaps the way the freezer is venting is affecting it? Or perhaps the
> way it is stored in the stockroom?
>
> I checked the front and back pieces of bread well. Didn't look moldy.
> But I was also afraid to buy it. There was no white bread there at all.
> Only the lone package of the wheat. So what happened to all the other
> bread? And there always is a ton! I doubt that someone bought it all. I
> opted to buy the whole wheat pita instead.
>
> None of my other bread has gone moldy. Neither did the bran muffins.

Not sure what your question is. Natural bread without preservatives goes
moldy very quickly so long as it is warm and moist. The warmer and moister
the faster it goes moldy. Mould spoors are everywhere. You can keep bread
longer by keeping it in the fridge in a tightly sealed bag.

Paul

>

"Paul M. Cook" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Julie Bove" > wrote in message
> ...
>>I bought the new chrome bread box. I thought it had a window in it but it
>>did not. It does have a vent in the back though, which perhaps is
>>important.
>>
>> The bread company never got back to me about my complaint but oddly
>> enough they had only one lone package of the bread at Winco today.
>> Normally there are dozens of packages. I had noticed before that the
>> bread felt very cold and it did feel cold again today. They have a rack
>> for it set up on some meat freezer cases. I wonder if that could have
>> anything to do with the cause of the mold? Perhaps the bread itself
>> feels cold but perhaps the way the freezer is venting is affecting it?
>> Or perhaps the way it is stored in the stockroom?
>>
>> I checked the front and back pieces of bread well. Didn't look moldy.
>> But I was also afraid to buy it. There was no white bread there at all.
>> Only the lone package of the wheat. So what happened to all the other
>> bread? And there always is a ton! I doubt that someone bought it all. I
>> opted to buy the whole wheat pita instead.
>>
>> None of my other bread has gone moldy. Neither did the bran muffins.
>
> Not sure what your question is. Natural bread without preservatives goes
> moldy very quickly so long as it is warm and moist. The warmer and
> moister the faster it goes moldy. Mould spoors are everywhere. You can
> keep bread longer by keeping it in the fridge in a tightly sealed bag.

There was no question this time. Apparently you missed my Greek flatbread
saga. To try to keep it brief... I had been buying white Greek flatbread
for many months. No problem. Then daughter went on the South Beach diet.
So she has to eat whole grains. I switched to buying the whole wheat Greek
flatbread. Same brand, same store.

But the whole wheat stuff was going moldy before it expired. I checked the
ingredients and it does have preservatives in it so this shouldn't happen.
I finally wrote to the company after I threw out at least a couple of pieces
and three entirely new, full packages that went moldy many days before the
expiration date.

I wasn't sure what the problem was. I didn't really think it was something
in my home as many here claimed it was. None of my other bread went moldy.
But... I did have a wooden bread box with no ventilation in it. I have
gotten rid of that and gotten a new bread box with ventilation.

When I wrote to the company I said I didn't know if it was something they
were doing or something the store was doing. I just found it odd that the
store seems to have changed what they are doing. In the past there were
always dozens of packages of bread there. Today there was one. One whole
wheat. No white at all. So did they check and find that all of the bread
was bad? Or...? I don't know. Just interesting.

The bread company never did write back to me. I do like their bread. I
just don't want to keep wasting my money on it if it is going to keep going
bad so quickly. And it's very disappointing to have your mind set on eating
bread and hummus for dinner only to find that you have no bread!

"Julie Bove" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Paul M. Cook" > wrote in message
> ...
>>
>> "Julie Bove" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>>I bought the new chrome bread box. I thought it had a window in it but
>>>it did not. It does have a vent in the back though, which perhaps is
>>>important.
>>>
>>> The bread company never got back to me about my complaint but oddly
>>> enough they had only one lone package of the bread at Winco today.
>>> Normally there are dozens of packages. I had noticed before that the
>>> bread felt very cold and it did feel cold again today. They have a rack
>>> for it set up on some meat freezer cases. I wonder if that could have
>>> anything to do with the cause of the mold? Perhaps the bread itself
>>> feels cold but perhaps the way the freezer is venting is affecting it?
>>> Or perhaps the way it is stored in the stockroom?
>>>
>>> I checked the front and back pieces of bread well. Didn't look moldy.
>>> But I was also afraid to buy it. There was no white bread there at all.
>>> Only the lone package of the wheat. So what happened to all the other
>>> bread? And there always is a ton! I doubt that someone bought it all.
>>> I opted to buy the whole wheat pita instead.
>>>
>>> None of my other bread has gone moldy. Neither did the bran muffins.
>>
>> Not sure what your question is. Natural bread without preservatives goes
>> moldy very quickly so long as it is warm and moist. The warmer and
>> moister the faster it goes moldy. Mould spoors are everywhere. You can
>> keep bread longer by keeping it in the fridge in a tightly sealed bag.
>
> There was no question this time. Apparently you missed my Greek flatbread
> saga. To try to keep it brief... I had been buying white Greek flatbread
> for many months. No problem. Then daughter went on the South Beach diet.
> So she has to eat whole grains. I switched to buying the whole wheat
> Greek flatbread. Same brand, same store.
>
> But the whole wheat stuff was going moldy before it expired. I checked
> the ingredients and it does have preservatives in it so this shouldn't
> happen. I finally wrote to the company after I threw out at least a couple
> of pieces and three entirely new, full packages that went moldy many days
> before the expiration date.
>
> I wasn't sure what the problem was. I didn't really think it was
> something in my home as many here claimed it was. None of my other bread
> went moldy. But... I did have a wooden bread box with no ventilation in
> it. I have gotten rid of that and gotten a new bread box with
> ventilation.
>
> When I wrote to the company I said I didn't know if it was something they
> were doing or something the store was doing. I just found it odd that the
> store seems to have changed what they are doing. In the past there were
> always dozens of packages of bread there. Today there was one. One whole
> wheat. No white at all. So did they check and find that all of the bread
> was bad? Or...? I don't know. Just interesting.
>
> The bread company never did write back to me. I do like their bread. I
> just don't want to keep wasting my money on it if it is going to keep
> going bad so quickly. And it's very disappointing to have your mind set
> on eating bread and hummus for dinner only to find that you have no bread!

Hmmm ... just a guess but cheaper wheat may possibly have more mould in it.
They do grade the stuff and I assume mould would be a negative on the
quality scale though it is safe to eat. What with the price of flour
skyrocketing I'd not be surprised they switched to cheaper flour.

Paul

On May 25, 10:49*pm, "Julie Bove" > wrote:
> "Paul M. Cook" > wrote in ...
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > "Julie Bove" > wrote in message
> ...
> >>I bought the new chrome bread box. *I thought it had a window in it but it
> >>did not. *It does have a vent in the back though, which perhaps is
> >>important.
>
> >> The bread company never got back to me about my complaint but oddly
> >> enough they had only one lone package of the bread at Winco today.
> >> Normally there are dozens of packages. *I had noticed before that the
> >> bread felt very cold and it did feel cold again today. *They have a rack
> >> for it set up on some meat freezer cases. *I wonder if that could have
> >> anything to do with the cause of the mold? *Perhaps the bread itself
> >> feels cold but perhaps the way the freezer is venting is affecting it?
> >> Or perhaps the way it is stored in the stockroom?
>
> >> I checked the front and back pieces of bread well. *Didn't look moldy.
> >> But I was also afraid to buy it. *There was no white bread there at all.
> >> Only the lone package of the wheat. *So what happened to all the other
> >> bread? And there always is a ton! *I doubt that someone bought it all. *I
> >> opted to buy the whole wheat pita instead.
>
> >> None of my other bread has gone moldy. *Neither did the bran muffins..
>
> > Not sure what your question is. *Natural bread without preservatives goes
> > moldy very quickly so long as it is warm and moist. *The warmer and
> > moister the faster it goes moldy. *Mould spoors are everywhere. *You can
> > keep bread longer by keeping it in the fridge in a tightly sealed bag.
>
> There was no question this time. *Apparently you missed my Greek flatbread
> saga. *To try to keep it brief... *I had been buying white Greek flatbread
> for many months. *No problem. *Then daughter went on the South Beach diet.
> So she has to eat whole grains. *I switched to buying the whole wheat Greek
> flatbread. *Same brand, same store.
>
> But the whole wheat stuff was going moldy before it expired. *I checked the
> ingredients and it does have preservatives in it so this shouldn't happen..
> I finally wrote to the company after I threw out at least a couple of pieces
> and three entirely new, full packages that went moldy many days before the
> expiration date.
>
> I wasn't sure what the problem was. *I didn't really think it was something
> in my home as many here claimed it was. *None of my other bread went moldy.
> But... *I did have a wooden bread box with no ventilation in it. *I have
> gotten rid of that and gotten a new bread box with ventilation.
>
> When I wrote to the company I said I didn't know if it was something they
> were doing or something the store was doing. *I just found it odd that the
> store seems to have changed what they are doing. *In the past there were
> always dozens of packages of bread there. *Today there was one. *One whole
> wheat. *No white at all. *So did they check and find that all of the bread
> was bad? *Or...? *I don't know. *Just interesting.
>
> The bread company never did write back to me. *I do like their bread. *I
> just don't want to keep wasting *my money on it if it is going to keep going
> bad so quickly. *And it's very disappointing to have your mind set on eating
> bread and hummus for dinner only to find that you have no bread!

Why don't you try making your own?

On May 25, 9:03*pm, "Julie Bove" > wrote:
> I bought the new chrome bread box. *I thought it had a window in it but it
> did not. *It does have a vent in the back though, which perhaps is
> important.
>
> The bread company never got back to me about my complaint but oddly enough
> they had only one lone package of the bread at Winco today. *Normally there
> are dozens of packages. *I had noticed before that the bread felt very cold
> and it did feel cold again today. *They have a rack for it set up on some
> meat freezer cases. *I wonder if that could have anything to do with the
> cause of the mold? *Perhaps the bread itself feels cold but perhaps the way
> the freezer is venting is affecting it? *Or perhaps the way it is stored in
> the stockroom?
>
> I checked the front and back pieces of bread well. *Didn't look moldy. *But
> I was also afraid to buy it. *There was no white bread there at all. *Only
> the lone package of the wheat. *So what happened to all the other bread?
> And there always is a ton! *I doubt that someone bought it all. *I opted to
> buy the whole wheat pita instead.
>
> None of my other bread has gone moldy. *Neither did the bran muffins.

Keep the bread in the fridge fer cryin' out loud!

On Fri, 25 May 2012 22:34:37 -0700, "Paul M. Cook" >
wrote:
>
> Not sure what your question is.

Who knows? I think she's talking about something she mentioned in
another thread.

> Natural bread without preservatives goes
> moldy very quickly so long as it is warm and moist. The warmer and moister
> the faster it goes moldy. Mould spoors are everywhere. You can keep bread
> longer by keeping it in the fridge in a tightly sealed bag.

Moldy bread happened to me once when I was first married. I bought a
still warm loaf of bread off the shelf at a bakery. It was sliced,
put into a plastic bag and sealed with a twist tie. I was not told to
open the bag when I got home to let it cool down properly, so the next
day I had a loaf of horrible moldy bread.

--
Food is an important part of a balanced diet.

In article >,
merryb > wrote:

>
> Why don't you try making your own?

are you kidding. just imagine the endless questions and complaints, not to
mention it would get her kitchen sink dirty and probably involve some trauma
with the recycling company

sf > wrote:

>Moldy bread happened to me once when I was first married.

Gotta watch out for those yeast infections.



S.

"merryb" > wrote in message
...

Why don't you try making your own?

I don't want to bake unless I have to. My daughter is on a strict diet and
the smell of baking bread would be a temptation for her.

"Chemo the Clown" > wrote in message
...
On May 25, 9:03 pm, "Julie Bove" > wrote:
> I bought the new chrome bread box. I thought it had a window in it but it
> did not. It does have a vent in the back though, which perhaps is
> important.
>
> The bread company never got back to me about my complaint but oddly enough
> they had only one lone package of the bread at Winco today. Normally there
> are dozens of packages. I had noticed before that the bread felt very cold
> and it did feel cold again today. They have a rack for it set up on some
> meat freezer cases. I wonder if that could have anything to do with the
> cause of the mold? Perhaps the bread itself feels cold but perhaps the way
> the freezer is venting is affecting it? Or perhaps the way it is stored in
> the stockroom?
>
> I checked the front and back pieces of bread well. Didn't look moldy. But
> I was also afraid to buy it. There was no white bread there at all. Only
> the lone package of the wheat. So what happened to all the other bread?
> And there always is a ton! I doubt that someone bought it all. I opted to
> buy the whole wheat pita instead.
>
> None of my other bread has gone moldy. Neither did the bran muffins.

Keep the bread in the fridge fer cryin' out loud!

That changes the texture and I won't eat it from there.

"Sqwertz" > wrote in message
...
> On Fri, 25 May 2012 21:03:20 -0700, Julie Bove wrote:
>
>> I bought the new chrome bread box. I thought it had a window in it but
>> it
>> did not. It does have a vent in the back though, which perhaps is
>> important.
>>
>> The bread company never got back to me about my complaint but oddly
>> enough
>> they had only one lone package of the bread at Winco today. Normally
>> there
>> are dozens of packages. I had noticed before that the bread felt very
>> cold
>> and it did feel cold again today. They have a rack for it set up on some
>> meat freezer cases. I wonder if that could have anything to do with the
>> cause of the mold? Perhaps the bread itself feels cold but perhaps the
>> way
>> the freezer is venting is affecting it? Or perhaps the way it is stored
>> in
>> the stockroom?
>>
>> I checked the front and back pieces of bread well. Didn't look moldy.
>> But
>> I was also afraid to buy it. There was no white bread there at all.
>> Only
>> the lone package of the wheat. So what happened to all the other bread?
>> And there always is a ton! I doubt that someone bought it all. I opted
>> to
>> buy the whole wheat pita instead.
>>
>> None of my other bread has gone moldy. Neither did the bran muffins.
>
> Fascinating.
>
> So the purpose of this update is to tell us there is no update?

No. The update is that instead of the dozens of packages they normally have
in that store, they had only one. So clearly something happened. But what?
I don't know.

"Julie Bove" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Sqwertz" > wrote in message
> ...
>> On Fri, 25 May 2012 21:03:20 -0700, Julie Bove wrote:
>>
>>> I bought the new chrome bread box. I thought it had a window in it but
>>> it
>>> did not. It does have a vent in the back though, which perhaps is
>>> important.
>>>
>>> The bread company never got back to me about my complaint but oddly
>>> enough
>>> they had only one lone package of the bread at Winco today. Normally
>>> there
>>> are dozens of packages. I had noticed before that the bread felt very
>>> cold
>>> and it did feel cold again today. They have a rack for it set up on
>>> some
>>> meat freezer cases. I wonder if that could have anything to do with the
>>> cause of the mold? Perhaps the bread itself feels cold but perhaps the
>>> way
>>> the freezer is venting is affecting it? Or perhaps the way it is stored
>>> in
>>> the stockroom?
>>>
>>> I checked the front and back pieces of bread well. Didn't look moldy.
>>> But
>>> I was also afraid to buy it. There was no white bread there at all.
>>> Only
>>> the lone package of the wheat. So what happened to all the other bread?
>>> And there always is a ton! I doubt that someone bought it all. I opted
>>> to
>>> buy the whole wheat pita instead.
>>>
>>> None of my other bread has gone moldy. Neither did the bran muffins.
>>
>> Fascinating.
>>
>> So the purpose of this update is to tell us there is no update?
>
> No. The update is that instead of the dozens of packages they normally
> have in that store, they had only one. So clearly something happened.
> But what? I don't know.

Somebody bought them all? It's happened. Caterers buy stuff in bulk all
the time from retailers like Costco. I'd not worry. Mould and bread
synonymous. In fact that is where they discovered penicillin.

Paul

"Paul M. Cook" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Julie Bove" > wrote in message
> ...
>>
>> "Sqwertz" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> On Fri, 25 May 2012 21:03:20 -0700, Julie Bove wrote:
>>>
>>>> I bought the new chrome bread box. I thought it had a window in it but
>>>> it
>>>> did not. It does have a vent in the back though, which perhaps is
>>>> important.
>>>>
>>>> The bread company never got back to me about my complaint but oddly
>>>> enough
>>>> they had only one lone package of the bread at Winco today. Normally
>>>> there
>>>> are dozens of packages. I had noticed before that the bread felt very
>>>> cold
>>>> and it did feel cold again today. They have a rack for it set up on
>>>> some
>>>> meat freezer cases. I wonder if that could have anything to do with
>>>> the
>>>> cause of the mold? Perhaps the bread itself feels cold but perhaps the
>>>> way
>>>> the freezer is venting is affecting it? Or perhaps the way it is
>>>> stored in
>>>> the stockroom?
>>>>
>>>> I checked the front and back pieces of bread well. Didn't look moldy.
>>>> But
>>>> I was also afraid to buy it. There was no white bread there at all.
>>>> Only
>>>> the lone package of the wheat. So what happened to all the other
>>>> bread?
>>>> And there always is a ton! I doubt that someone bought it all. I
>>>> opted to
>>>> buy the whole wheat pita instead.
>>>>
>>>> None of my other bread has gone moldy. Neither did the bran muffins.
>>>
>>> Fascinating.
>>>
>>> So the purpose of this update is to tell us there is no update?
>>
>> No. The update is that instead of the dozens of packages they normally
>> have in that store, they had only one. So clearly something happened.
>> But what? I don't know.
>
> Somebody bought them all? It's happened. Caterers buy stuff in bulk all
> the time from retailers like Costco. I'd not worry. Mould and bread
> synonymous. In fact that is where they discovered penicillin.

Could be but not likely. Since Costco is practically next door you would
think they would just buy it there. I'm sure it would be cheaper.

"Sqwertz" > wrote in message
...
> On Sat, 26 May 2012 21:41:10 -0700, Paul M. Cook wrote:
>
>> Somebody bought them all? It's happened. Caterers buy stuff in bulk all
>> the time from retailers like Costco. I'd not worry. Mould and bread
>> synonymous. In fact that is where they discovered penicillin.
>
> Urban myth.


Bullshit, Stevie.

Paul

"Julie Bove" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Paul M. Cook" > wrote in message
> ...
>>
>> "Julie Bove" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>>
>>> "Sqwertz" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>> On Fri, 25 May 2012 21:03:20 -0700, Julie Bove wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I bought the new chrome bread box. I thought it had a window in it
>>>>> but it
>>>>> did not. It does have a vent in the back though, which perhaps is
>>>>> important.
>>>>>
>>>>> The bread company never got back to me about my complaint but oddly
>>>>> enough
>>>>> they had only one lone package of the bread at Winco today. Normally
>>>>> there
>>>>> are dozens of packages. I had noticed before that the bread felt very
>>>>> cold
>>>>> and it did feel cold again today. They have a rack for it set up on
>>>>> some
>>>>> meat freezer cases. I wonder if that could have anything to do with
>>>>> the
>>>>> cause of the mold? Perhaps the bread itself feels cold but perhaps
>>>>> the way
>>>>> the freezer is venting is affecting it? Or perhaps the way it is
>>>>> stored in
>>>>> the stockroom?
>>>>>
>>>>> I checked the front and back pieces of bread well. Didn't look moldy.
>>>>> But
>>>>> I was also afraid to buy it. There was no white bread there at all.
>>>>> Only
>>>>> the lone package of the wheat. So what happened to all the other
>>>>> bread?
>>>>> And there always is a ton! I doubt that someone bought it all. I
>>>>> opted to
>>>>> buy the whole wheat pita instead.
>>>>>
>>>>> None of my other bread has gone moldy. Neither did the bran muffins.
>>>>
>>>> Fascinating.
>>>>
>>>> So the purpose of this update is to tell us there is no update?
>>>
>>> No. The update is that instead of the dozens of packages they normally
>>> have in that store, they had only one. So clearly something happened.
>>> But what? I don't know.
>>
>> Somebody bought them all? It's happened. Caterers buy stuff in bulk all
>> the time from retailers like Costco. I'd not worry. Mould and bread
>> synonymous. In fact that is where they discovered penicillin.
>
> Could be but not likely. Since Costco is practically next door you would
> think they would just buy it there. I'm sure it would be cheaper.


I just don't see how the same bread bread from 2 bakers could be so
different that you could eat one and not be able to choke the other down if
your life depended on it. There just is not that much variation between
breads. It's all the same: flour, water, yeast, some salt. I agree with
another poster, just make your own. If your daughter can only eat whole
grain bread, make it for her. How can she be tempted by the aroma if it's
something she can eat anyway:? Homemade bread is the bomb, And fun to
make, too. Get a bread machine or better yet a nice KitchenAid Pro 6. You
can make two pounds of dough with that sucker and cleanup could not be
easier. And back in my bread eating days I always kept it in the fridge. I
never noticed any change in texture at all. Just warm it up in the toaster
oven and it will be like it is oven fresh.

Paul

Paul M. Cook wrote:

> >> Somebody bought them all? It's happened. Caterers buy stuff in bulk all
> >> the time from retailers like Costco. I'd not worry. Mould and bread
> >> synonymous. In fact that is where they discovered penicillin.

> > Urban myth.

> Bullshit, Stevie.

You're right and sqwishy is wrong. I've seen people stocking up for
either catering or their own mom&pop shops. Not to mention the
occasional shopper in cook's whites loading up a cart with a ton of
produce and fresh meat.

"Julie Bove" > wrote in message
...
>
> "merryb" > wrote in message
> ...
>
> Why don't you try making your own?
>
> I don't want to bake unless I have to. My daughter is on a strict diet
> and the smell of baking bread would be a temptation for her.

Bake the bread you said she can eat. My sister got a bread machine and she
uses it all the time. She's not into gadgets but she really loves her bread
machine. There's practically no clean up with one. I've tried some that
others have made in a machine and it was quite tasty.

Paul

"George M. Middius" > wrote in message
...
> Paul M. Cook wrote:
>
>> >> Somebody bought them all? It's happened. Caterers buy stuff in bulk
>> >> all
>> >> the time from retailers like Costco. I'd not worry. Mould and bread
>> >> synonymous. In fact that is where they discovered penicillin.
>
>> > Urban myth.
>
>> Bullshit, Stevie.
>
> You're right and sqwishy is wrong. I've seen people stocking up for
> either catering or their own mom&pop shops. Not to mention the
> occasional shopper in cook's whites loading up a cart with a ton of
> produce and fresh meat.


Me too. But what squishy was talking about was how penicillin was
discovered. He conflates it with a myth about how Fleming saved Winston
Churchill in his youth from drowning in a bog and decades later saved him
again with his discovery - penicillin

Paul

On 5/26/2012 5:40 PM, Sqwertz wrote:

> Fascinating.
>
> So the purpose of this update is to tell us there is no update?

I think the purpose is that she didn't get enough attention from the
first thread about moldy bread.

On May 26, 9:25*pm, "Julie Bove" > wrote:
> "merryb" > wrote in message
>
> ...
>
> Why don't you try making your own?
>
> I don't want to bake unless I have to. *My daughter is on a strict diet and
> the smell of baking bread would be a temptation for her.

Do it while she is at school!

On May 27, 2:46*am, "Paul M. Cook" > wrote:
> "Julie Bove" > wrote in message
>
> ...
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > "Paul M. Cook" > wrote in message
> ...
>
> >> "Julie Bove" > wrote in message
> ...
>
> >>> "Sqwertz" > wrote in message
> ...
> >>>> On Fri, 25 May 2012 21:03:20 -0700, Julie Bove wrote:
>
> >>>>> I bought the new chrome bread box. *I thought it had a window in it
> >>>>> but it
> >>>>> did not. *It does have a vent in the back though, which perhaps is
> >>>>> important.
>
> >>>>> The bread company never got back to me about my complaint but oddly
> >>>>> enough
> >>>>> they had only one lone package of the bread at Winco today. *Normally
> >>>>> there
> >>>>> are dozens of packages. *I had noticed before that the bread felt very
> >>>>> cold
> >>>>> and it did feel cold again today. *They have a rack for it set up on
> >>>>> some
> >>>>> meat freezer cases. *I wonder if that could have anything to do with
> >>>>> the
> >>>>> cause of the mold? *Perhaps the bread itself feels cold but perhaps
> >>>>> the way
> >>>>> the freezer is venting is affecting it? *Or perhaps the way it is
> >>>>> stored in
> >>>>> the stockroom?
>
> >>>>> I checked the front and back pieces of bread well. *Didn't look moldy.
> >>>>> But
> >>>>> I was also afraid to buy it. *There was no white bread there at all.
> >>>>> Only
> >>>>> the lone package of the wheat. *So what happened to all the other
> >>>>> bread?
> >>>>> And there always is a ton! *I doubt that someone bought it all. *I
> >>>>> opted to
> >>>>> buy the whole wheat pita instead.
>
> >>>>> None of my other bread has gone moldy. *Neither did the bran muffins.
>
> >>>> Fascinating.
>
> >>>> So the purpose of this update is to tell us there is no update?
>
> >>> No. *The update is that instead of the dozens of packages they normally
> >>> have in that store, they had only one. *So clearly something happened.
> >>> But what? I don't know.
>
> >> Somebody bought them all? *It's happened. *Caterers buy stuff in bulk all
> >> the time from retailers like Costco. *I'd not worry. *Mould and bread
> >> synonymous. *In fact that is where they discovered penicillin.
>
> > Could be but not likely. *Since Costco is practically next door you would
> > think they would just buy it there. *I'm sure it would be cheaper.
>
> I just don't see how the same bread bread from 2 bakers could be so
> different that you could eat one and not be able to choke the other down if
> your life depended on it. *There just is not that much variation between
> breads. *It's all the same: flour, water, yeast, some salt. *I agree with
> another poster, just make your own. *If your daughter can only eat whole
> grain bread, make it for her. *How can she be tempted by the aroma if it's
> something she can eat anyway:? *Homemade bread is the bomb, *And fun to
> make, too. *Get a bread machine or better yet a nice KitchenAid Pro 6. *You
> can make two pounds of dough with that sucker and cleanup could not be
> easier. *And back in my bread eating days I always kept it in the fridge. *I
> never noticed any change in texture at all. *Just warm it up in the toaster
> oven and it will be like it is oven fresh.
>
> Paul

+1

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>>>> "Sqwertz" > wrote in message
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>>>>> On Fri, 25 May 2012 21:03:20 -0700, Julie Bove wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I bought the new chrome bread box. I thought it had a window in it
>>>>>> but it
>>>>>> did not. It does have a vent in the back though, which perhaps is
>>>>>> important.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The bread company never got back to me about my complaint but oddly
>>>>>> enough
>>>>>> they had only one lone package of the bread at Winco today. Normally
>>>>>> there
>>>>>> are dozens of packages. I had noticed before that the bread felt
>>>>>> very cold
>>>>>> and it did feel cold again today. They have a rack for it set up on
>>>>>> some
>>>>>> meat freezer cases. I wonder if that could have anything to do with
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> cause of the mold? Perhaps the bread itself feels cold but perhaps
>>>>>> the way
>>>>>> the freezer is venting is affecting it? Or perhaps the way it is
>>>>>> stored in
>>>>>> the stockroom?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I checked the front and back pieces of bread well. Didn't look
>>>>>> moldy. But
>>>>>> I was also afraid to buy it. There was no white bread there at all.
>>>>>> Only
>>>>>> the lone package of the wheat. So what happened to all the other
>>>>>> bread?
>>>>>> And there always is a ton! I doubt that someone bought it all. I
>>>>>> opted to
>>>>>> buy the whole wheat pita instead.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> None of my other bread has gone moldy. Neither did the bran muffins.
>>>>>
>>>>> Fascinating.
>>>>>
>>>>> So the purpose of this update is to tell us there is no update?
>>>>
>>>> No. The update is that instead of the dozens of packages they normally
>>>> have in that store, they had only one. So clearly something happened.
>>>> But what? I don't know.
>>>
>>> Somebody bought them all? It's happened. Caterers buy stuff in bulk
>>> all the time from retailers like Costco. I'd not worry. Mould and
>>> bread synonymous. In fact that is where they discovered penicillin.
>>
>> Could be but not likely. Since Costco is practically next door you would
>> think they would just buy it there. I'm sure it would be cheaper.
>
>
> I just don't see how the same bread bread from 2 bakers could be so
> different that you could eat one and not be able to choke the other down
> if your life depended on it. There just is not that much variation
> between breads. It's all the same: flour, water, yeast, some salt. I
> agree with another poster, just make your own. If your daughter can only
> eat whole grain bread, make it for her. How can she be tempted by the
> aroma if it's something she can eat anyway:? Homemade bread is the bomb,
> And fun to make, too. Get a bread machine or better yet a nice KitchenAid
> Pro 6. You can make two pounds of dough with that sucker and cleanup
> could not be easier. And back in my bread eating days I always kept it in
> the fridge. I never noticed any change in texture at all. Just warm it
> up in the toaster oven and it will be like it is oven fresh.

I can not eat the other kind because of the ingredients. I can't have
dairy. I will not bake because that would just torture her. If she smells
fresh bread she wants it and she can only have one piece.

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>> "merryb" > wrote in message
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>>
>> Why don't you try making your own?
>>
>> I don't want to bake unless I have to. My daughter is on a strict diet
>> and the smell of baking bread would be a temptation for her.
>
> Bake the bread you said she can eat. My sister got a bread machine and
> she uses it all the time. She's not into gadgets but she really loves her
> bread machine. There's practically no clean up with one. I've tried some
> that others have made in a machine and it was quite tasty.

This is Greek Flatbread. Can't be made in the kind of bread maker I have.
And I will not bake. We have both agreed on that. Too much torture for
her. She doesn't even want me to bake the pre-made loaves that I bought for
emergencies.

merryb wrote:
> On May 26, 9:25 pm, "Julie Bove" > wrote:
>> "merryb" > wrote in message
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>> ...
>>
>> Why don't you try making your own?
>>
>> I don't want to bake unless I have to. My daughter is on a strict
>> diet and the smell of baking bread would be a temptation for her.
>
> Do it while she is at school!

Why? So she can walk in to the smell of freshly baked bread? I don't think
so!

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>>>>>
>>>>> "Sqwertz" > wrote in message
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>>>>>> On Fri, 25 May 2012 21:03:20 -0700, Julie Bove wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I bought the new chrome bread box. I thought it had a window in it
>>>>>>> but it
>>>>>>> did not. It does have a vent in the back though, which perhaps is
>>>>>>> important.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The bread company never got back to me about my complaint but oddly
>>>>>>> enough
>>>>>>> they had only one lone package of the bread at Winco today.
>>>>>>> Normally there
>>>>>>> are dozens of packages. I had noticed before that the bread felt
>>>>>>> very cold
>>>>>>> and it did feel cold again today. They have a rack for it set up on
>>>>>>> some
>>>>>>> meat freezer cases. I wonder if that could have anything to do with
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> cause of the mold? Perhaps the bread itself feels cold but perhaps
>>>>>>> the way
>>>>>>> the freezer is venting is affecting it? Or perhaps the way it is
>>>>>>> stored in
>>>>>>> the stockroom?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I checked the front and back pieces of bread well. Didn't look
>>>>>>> moldy. But
>>>>>>> I was also afraid to buy it. There was no white bread there at all.
>>>>>>> Only
>>>>>>> the lone package of the wheat. So what happened to all the other
>>>>>>> bread?
>>>>>>> And there always is a ton! I doubt that someone bought it all. I
>>>>>>> opted to
>>>>>>> buy the whole wheat pita instead.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> None of my other bread has gone moldy. Neither did the bran
>>>>>>> muffins.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Fascinating.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So the purpose of this update is to tell us there is no update?
>>>>>
>>>>> No. The update is that instead of the dozens of packages they
>>>>> normally have in that store, they had only one. So clearly something
>>>>> happened. But what? I don't know.
>>>>
>>>> Somebody bought them all? It's happened. Caterers buy stuff in bulk
>>>> all the time from retailers like Costco. I'd not worry. Mould and
>>>> bread synonymous. In fact that is where they discovered penicillin.
>>>
>>> Could be but not likely. Since Costco is practically next door you
>>> would think they would just buy it there. I'm sure it would be cheaper.
>>
>>
>> I just don't see how the same bread bread from 2 bakers could be so
>> different that you could eat one and not be able to choke the other down
>> if your life depended on it. There just is not that much variation
>> between breads. It's all the same: flour, water, yeast, some salt. I
>> agree with another poster, just make your own. If your daughter can only
>> eat whole grain bread, make it for her. How can she be tempted by the
>> aroma if it's something she can eat anyway:? Homemade bread is the bomb,
>> And fun to make, too. Get a bread machine or better yet a nice
>> KitchenAid Pro 6. You can make two pounds of dough with that sucker and
>> cleanup could not be easier. And back in my bread eating days I always
>> kept it in the fridge. I never noticed any change in texture at all.
>> Just warm it up in the toaster oven and it will be like it is oven fresh.
>
> I can not eat the other kind because of the ingredients. I can't have
> dairy. I will not bake because that would just torture her. If she
> smells fresh bread she wants it and she can only have one piece.


A little torture never hurt anyone. She goes to school during the day?
Just trying to help you out but it sure seems like there is no solution
here. FWIW I am standing by the bread machine. The loaves are smallish and
can easily be consumed in one day. Start it up when she is in school and
leave all the windows open. Bake two loaves on Friday so you can get
through the weekend. The neat thing about the machine is you can use it in
the garage or even outside on the porch. If I could eat bread like I used
to I might even get one for myself.

Paul

"Julie Bove" > wrote in message
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> "Paul M. Cook" > wrote in message
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>> "Julie Bove" > wrote in message
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>>>
>>> "merryb" > wrote in message
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>>>
>>> Why don't you try making your own?
>>>
>>> I don't want to bake unless I have to. My daughter is on a strict diet
>>> and the smell of baking bread would be a temptation for her.
>>
>> Bake the bread you said she can eat. My sister got a bread machine and
>> she uses it all the time. She's not into gadgets but she really loves
>> her bread machine. There's practically no clean up with one. I've tried
>> some that others have made in a machine and it was quite tasty.
>
> This is Greek Flatbread. Can't be made in the kind of bread maker I have.
> And I will not bake. We have both agreed on that. Too much torture for
> her. She doesn't even want me to bake the pre-made loaves that I bought
> for emergencies.

Bread emergencies? I am trying to imagine what that would be.

Paul

On May 27, 1:31*pm, Cheryl > wrote:
> On 5/26/2012 5:40 PM, Sqwertz wrote:
>
> > Fascinating.
>
> > So the purpose of this update is to tell us there is no update?
>
> I think the purpose is that she didn't get enough attention from the
> first thread about moldy bread.

Hee-haw. Tune in for the upcoming saga on a faulty breadbox.

"Sqwertz" > wrote in message
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> On Sun, 27 May 2012 02:34:17 -0700, Paul M. Cook wrote:
>
>> "Sqwertz" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> On Sat, 26 May 2012 21:41:10 -0700, Paul M. Cook wrote:
>>>
>>>> Somebody bought them all? It's happened. Caterers buy stuff in bulk
>>>> all
>>>> the time from retailers like Costco. I'd not worry. Mould and bread
>>>> synonymous. In fact that is where they discovered penicillin.
>>>
>>> Urban myth.
>>
>> Bullshit, Stevie.
>
> I'd ask you for a site to prove your claim but you wouldn't be able to
> produce one. So I'll cite on to the contrary.
>
> http://history1900s.about.com/od/med...penicillin.htm
>
> Plenty more where that came from. Although moldy bread was used as an
> antiseptic prior to Penicillin's discovery, the mold was not isolated
> from bread and named until much later. And it wasn't the same type as
> bread mold.
>
> This is where you say something smarmy. I know you can do it, Paul.


Squishy, the generally accepted theory of where the mould spores came from
was Flemming's assistant's lunch. Yes, it was. People ate slightly mouldy
bread in those days, it was not something they were so afraid of. There is
no such thing as "bread mould" it is all from either aspergillus of
penicillium species. I learned all about it in my mycology classes in
college. So sorry dude. Flemming is credited with the discovery and that
is how he discovered it. Yes, it was 12 years later before it was processed
into a drug. But Flemming is the one who discovered it.

Paul

"Julie Bove" > wrote in message
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> merryb wrote:
>> On May 26, 9:25 pm, "Julie Bove" > wrote:
>>> "merryb" > wrote in message
>>>
>>> ...
>>>
>>> Why don't you try making your own?
>>>
>>> I don't want to bake unless I have to. My daughter is on a strict
>>> diet and the smell of baking bread would be a temptation for her.
>>
>> Do it while she is at school!
>
> Why? So she can walk in to the smell of freshly baked bread? I don't
> think so!

Julie, you're losing me on this one. This is getting into the seriously
weird category. It's just bread. If you have to indulge her to the most
extreme level imaginable you can always bake bread outside in a Weber so the
offending aroma won't be present hours later when she arrives home from
school. I mean the way this is going maybe you could ask somebody in the
next town over (downwind of course) if they would bake it for you? It's
getting silly. A lingering aroma of baked bread is not child abuse. Trust
me you don't even want to know what my old man did to me if I didn't like
any food he prepared. I doubt CPS will get worked up over your dilemma.

Paul

"Julie Bove" > wrote in message
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> "Paul M. Cook" > wrote in message
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>> "Julie Bove" > wrote in message
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>>>
>>> "merryb" > wrote in message
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>>>
>>> Why don't you try making your own?
>>>
>>> I don't want to bake unless I have to. My daughter is on a strict diet
>>> and the smell of baking bread would be a temptation for her.
>>
>> Bake the bread you said she can eat. My sister got a bread machine and
>> she uses it all the time. She's not into gadgets but she really loves
>> her bread machine. There's practically no clean up with one. I've tried
>> some that others have made in a machine and it was quite tasty.
>
> This is Greek Flatbread. Can't be made in the kind of bread maker I have.
> And I will not bake. We have both agreed on that. Too much torture for
> her. She doesn't even want me to bake the pre-made loaves that I bought
> for emergencies.

OK here are the ingredients for Greek flat bread:
water, salt, yeast, flour, olive oil.

Here are the ingredients for pizza dough
water, salt, yeast, flour, olive oil

Here are the ingredients for classic white bread
water, salt, yeast, flour, neutral oil (optional)

Just run the machine to knead only then roll out the bread dough, let it
rise and into the oven - the aroma should be gone by the time your daughter
gets home. Problem solved.

On 5/27/2012 5:09 PM, Kalmia wrote:

> On May 27, 1:31 pm, > wrote:
>> On 5/26/2012 5:40 PM, Sqwertz wrote:
>>
>>> Fascinating.
>>
>>> So the purpose of this update is to tell us there is no update?
>>
>> I think the purpose is that she didn't get enough attention from the
>> first thread about moldy bread.
>
> Hee-haw. Tune in for the upcoming saga on a faulty breadbox.

I'll be watching for "I got this top of the line breadbox but I still
have moldy bread".

On May 27, 1:36*pm, "Julie Bove" > wrote:
> "Paul M. Cook" > wrote in ...
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>
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>
>
>
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>
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> > "Julie Bove" > wrote in message
> ...
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> >> "Paul M. Cook" > wrote in message
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>
> >>> "Julie Bove" > wrote in message
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>
> >>>> "Sqwertz" > wrote in message
> ...
> >>>>> On Fri, 25 May 2012 21:03:20 -0700, Julie Bove wrote:
>
> >>>>>> I bought the new chrome bread box. *I thought it had a window in it
> >>>>>> but it
> >>>>>> did not. *It does have a vent in the back though, which perhaps is
> >>>>>> important.
>
> >>>>>> The bread company never got back to me about my complaint but oddly
> >>>>>> enough
> >>>>>> they had only one lone package of the bread at Winco today. *Normally
> >>>>>> there
> >>>>>> are dozens of packages. *I had noticed before that the bread felt
> >>>>>> very cold
> >>>>>> and it did feel cold again today. *They have a rack for it set up on
> >>>>>> some
> >>>>>> meat freezer cases. *I wonder if that could have anything to do with
> >>>>>> the
> >>>>>> cause of the mold? *Perhaps the bread itself feels cold but perhaps
> >>>>>> the way
> >>>>>> the freezer is venting is affecting it? *Or perhaps the way it is
> >>>>>> stored in
> >>>>>> the stockroom?
>
> >>>>>> I checked the front and back pieces of bread well. *Didn't look
> >>>>>> moldy. But
> >>>>>> I was also afraid to buy it. *There was no white bread there at all.
> >>>>>> Only
> >>>>>> the lone package of the wheat. *So what happened to all the other
> >>>>>> bread?
> >>>>>> And there always is a ton! *I doubt that someone bought it all. *I
> >>>>>> opted to
> >>>>>> buy the whole wheat pita instead.
>
> >>>>>> None of my other bread has gone moldy. *Neither did the bran muffins.
>
> >>>>> Fascinating.
>
> >>>>> So the purpose of this update is to tell us there is no update?
>
> >>>> No. *The update is that instead of the dozens of packages they normally
> >>>> have in that store, they had only one. *So clearly something happened.
> >>>> But what? I don't know.
>
> >>> Somebody bought them all? *It's happened. *Caterers buy stuff in bulk
> >>> all the time from retailers like Costco. *I'd not worry. *Mould and
> >>> bread synonymous. *In fact that is where they discovered penicillin..
>
> >> Could be but not likely. *Since Costco is practically next door you would
> >> think they would just buy it there. *I'm sure it would be cheaper.
>
> > I just don't see how the same bread bread from 2 bakers could be so
> > different that you could eat one and not be able to choke the other down
> > if your life depended on it. *There just is not that much variation
> > between breads. *It's all the same: flour, water, yeast, some salt. *I
> > agree with another poster, just make your own. *If your daughter can only
> > eat whole grain bread, make it for her. *How can she be tempted by the
> > aroma if it's something she can eat anyway:? *Homemade bread is the bomb,
> > And fun to make, too. *Get a bread machine or better yet a nice KitchenAid
> > Pro 6. *You can make two pounds of dough with that sucker and cleanup
> > could not be easier. *And back in my bread eating days I always kept it in
> > the fridge. *I never noticed any change in texture at all. *Just warm it
> > up in the toaster oven and it will be like it is oven fresh.
>
> I can not eat the other kind because of the ingredients. *I can't have
> dairy. *I will not bake because that would just torture her. *If she smells
> fresh bread she wants it and she can only have one piece.

Then give her one piece!

On May 27, 1:39*pm, "Julie Bove" > wrote:
> merryb wrote:
> > On May 26, 9:25 pm, "Julie Bove" > wrote:
> >> "merryb" > wrote in message
>
> ....
>
> >> Why don't you try making your own?
>
> >> I don't want to bake unless I have to. My daughter is on a strict
> >> diet and the smell of baking bread would be a temptation for her.
>
> > Do it while she is at school!
>
> Why? *So she can walk in to the smell of freshly baked bread? *I don't think
> so!

Her freshly baked one piece that she is allowed!

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> >>>>>> On Fri, 25 May 2012 21:03:20 -0700, Julie Bove wrote:
>
> >>>>>>> I bought the new chrome bread box. *I thought it had a window in it
> >>>>>>> but it
> >>>>>>> did not. *It does have a vent in the back though, which perhaps is
> >>>>>>> important.
>
> >>>>>>> The bread company never got back to me about my complaint but oddly
> >>>>>>> enough
> >>>>>>> they had only one lone package of the bread at Winco today.
> >>>>>>> Normally there
> >>>>>>> are dozens of packages. *I had noticed before that the bread felt
> >>>>>>> very cold
> >>>>>>> and it did feel cold again today. *They have a rack for it set up on
> >>>>>>> some
> >>>>>>> meat freezer cases. *I wonder if that could have anything to do with
> >>>>>>> the
> >>>>>>> cause of the mold? *Perhaps the bread itself feels cold but perhaps
> >>>>>>> the way
> >>>>>>> the freezer is venting is affecting it? *Or perhaps the way it is
> >>>>>>> stored in
> >>>>>>> the stockroom?
>
> >>>>>>> I checked the front and back pieces of bread well. *Didn't look
> >>>>>>> moldy. But
> >>>>>>> I was also afraid to buy it. *There was no white bread there at all.
> >>>>>>> Only
> >>>>>>> the lone package of the wheat. *So what happened to all the other
> >>>>>>> bread?
> >>>>>>> And there always is a ton! *I doubt that someone bought it all. *I
> >>>>>>> opted to
> >>>>>>> buy the whole wheat pita instead.
>
> >>>>>>> None of my other bread has gone moldy. *Neither did the bran
> >>>>>>> muffins.
>
> >>>>>> Fascinating.
>
> >>>>>> So the purpose of this update is to tell us there is no update?
>
> >>>>> No. *The update is that instead of the dozens of packages they
> >>>>> normally have in that store, they had only one. *So clearly something
> >>>>> happened. But what? I don't know.
>
> >>>> Somebody bought them all? *It's happened. *Caterers buy stuff in bulk
> >>>> all the time from retailers like Costco. *I'd not worry. *Mould and
> >>>> bread synonymous. *In fact that is where they discovered penicillin.

"Julie Bove" > wrote in message
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>
> "Paul M. Cook" > wrote in message
> ...
>> Bread emergencies? I am trying to imagine what that would be.
>
> You can probably eat any kind of bread you want. We can't. It is hard to
> find bread that we can both eat and really only a couple of stores carry
> it. If I can't get out to those stores which are in other cities, I may
> need bread for a sandwich. So then I would have to bake it. That would
> be the only reason. For now. During the winter we can get snowed in for
> a week or two and we need to keep extra food.

Snow? Didn't you say you live near Everett, WA?

Paul

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>>>> On May 26, 9:25 pm, "Julie Bove" > wrote:
>>>>> "merryb" > wrote in message
>>>>>
>>>>> ...
>>>>>
>>>>> Why don't you try making your own?
>>>>>
>>>>> I don't want to bake unless I have to. My daughter is on a strict
>>>>> diet and the smell of baking bread would be a temptation for her.
>>>>
>>>> Do it while she is at school!
>>>
>>> Why? So she can walk in to the smell of freshly baked bread? I don't
>>> think so!
>>
>> Julie, you're losing me on this one. This is getting into the seriously
>> weird category. It's just bread. If you have to indulge her to the most
>> extreme level imaginable you can always bake bread outside in a Weber so
>> the offending aroma won't be present hours later when she arrives home
>> from school. I mean the way this is going maybe you could ask somebody
>> in the next town over (downwind of course) if they would bake it for you?
>> It's getting silly. A lingering aroma of baked bread is not child abuse.
>> Trust me you don't even want to know what my old man did to me if I
>> didn't like any food he prepared. I doubt CPS will get worked up over
>> your dilemma.
>
> I don't own a grill and will not eat grilled food. I don't think it's
> healthy.
>
> No, a lingering aroma of bread is not child abuse. But it's also not
> something I would do to her. She has asked me not to and I have agreed to
> it. She has done very well to stick to her diet and it is imperative that
> she does. I know she will eventually get diabetes. It runs on both sides
> of the family. I just don't want her to have it now at age 13.


Then why is she eating anything made with flour? You know as well as I do
that flour is the first thing that goes when you are pre-diabetic. One
piece fo bread has the glycemic index of a teaspoon of sugar. Why do it?

Paul

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>> >>>>> On Fri, 25 May 2012 21:03:20 -0700, Julie Bove wrote:
>>
>> >>>>>> I bought the new chrome bread box. I thought it had a window in it
>> >>>>>> but it
>> >>>>>> did not. It does have a vent in the back though, which perhaps is
>> >>>>>> important.
>>
>> >>>>>> The bread company never got back to me about my complaint but
>> >>>>>> oddly
>> >>>>>> enough
>> >>>>>> they had only one lone package of the bread at Winco today.
>> >>>>>> Normally
>> >>>>>> there
>> >>>>>> are dozens of packages. I had noticed before that the bread felt
>> >>>>>> very cold
>> >>>>>> and it did feel cold again today. They have a rack for it set up
>> >>>>>> on
>> >>>>>> some
>> >>>>>> meat freezer cases. I wonder if that could have anything to do
>> >>>>>> with
>> >>>>>> the
>> >>>>>> cause of the mold? Perhaps the bread itself feels cold but perhaps
>> >>>>>> the way
>> >>>>>> the freezer is venting is affecting it? Or perhaps the way it is
>> >>>>>> stored in
>> >>>>>> the stockroom?
>>
>> >>>>>> I checked the front and back pieces of bread well. Didn't look
>> >>>>>> moldy. But
>> >>>>>> I was also afraid to buy it. There was no white bread there at
>> >>>>>> all.
>> >>>>>> Only
>> >>>>>> the lone package of the wheat. So what happened to all the other
>> >>>>>> bread?
>> >>>>>> And there always is a ton! I doubt that someone bought it all. I
>> >>>>>> opted to
>> >>>>>> buy the whole wheat pita instead.
>>
>> >>>>>> None of my other bread has gone moldy. Neither did the bran
>> >>>>>> muffins.
>>
>> >>>>> Fascinating.
>>
>> >>>>> So the purpose of this update is to tell us there is no update?
>>
>> >>>> No. The update is that instead of the dozens of packages they
>> >>>> normally
>> >>>> have in that store, they had only one. So clearly something
>> >>>> happened.
>> >>>> But what? I don't know.
>>
>> >>> Somebody bought them all? It's happened. Caterers buy stuff in bulk
>> >>> all the time from retailers like Costco. I'd not worry. Mould and
>> >>> bread synonymous. In fact that is where they discovered penicillin.
>>
>> >> Could be but not likely. Since Costco is practically next door you
>> >> would
>> >> think they would just buy it there. I'm sure it would be cheaper.
>>
>> > I just don't see how the same bread bread from 2 bakers could be so
>> > different that you could eat one and not be able to choke the other
>> > down
>> > if your life depended on it. There just is not that much variation
>> > between breads. It's all the same: flour, water, yeast, some salt. I
>> > agree with another poster, just make your own. If your daughter can
>> > only
>> > eat whole grain bread, make it for her. How can she be tempted by the
>> > aroma if it's something she can eat anyway:? Homemade bread is the
>> > bomb,
>> > And fun to make, too. Get a bread machine or better yet a nice
>> > KitchenAid
>> > Pro 6. You can make two pounds of dough with that sucker and cleanup
>> > could not be easier. And back in my bread eating days I always kept it
>> > in
>> > the fridge. I never noticed any change in texture at all. Just warm it
>> > up in the toaster oven and it will be like it is oven fresh.
>>
>> I can not eat the other kind because of the ingredients. I can't have
>> dairy. I will not bake because that would just torture her. If she smells
>> fresh bread she wants it and she can only have one piece.
>
> Then give her one piece!
>
> She can't necessarily HAVE one piece! She doesn't eat bread every day.
> It's the South Beach diet. Only three servings of carb are allowed per
> day. She doesn't eat bread every day and never did.

A half an english muffin, toasted with butter would be fine for her then.
Unless of course ....

Paul

"Paul M. Cook" > wrote in message
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>
> "Julie Bove" > wrote in message
> ...
>>
>> "Paul M. Cook" > wrote in message
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>>> Bread emergencies? I am trying to imagine what that would be.
>>
>> You can probably eat any kind of bread you want. We can't. It is hard
>> to find bread that we can both eat and really only a couple of stores
>> carry it. If I can't get out to those stores which are in other cities, I
>> may need bread for a sandwich. So then I would have to bake it. That
>> would be the only reason. For now. During the winter we can get snowed
>> in for a week or two and we need to keep extra food.
>
> Snow? Didn't you say you live near Everett, WA?

Yes. Most years we don't get a lot of snow. But when we do, they do not
plow or use deicer. Mostly the problem is the ice. Because the snow will
melt during the day and then when the sun goes down it freezes hard to ice.
We were snowed in for a week this past winter. One winter a few years ago
we were snowed in for a week, were able to get out for a day to restock and
then were snowed in for another week.

"Paul M. Cook" > wrote in message
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> Then why is she eating anything made with flour? You know as well as I do
> that flour is the first thing that goes when you are pre-diabetic. One
> piece fo bread has the glycemic index of a teaspoon of sugar. Why do it?

*I* eat things with flour. I don't follow the glycemic index. It doesn't
work for me, perhaps because I have gastroparesis. I seem to do best eating
easily digested foods. I had given up whole wheat because it wasn't working
for me. But now it seems to be doing okay. Exception being this particular
moment in time where I have some sort of stomach thing going on.

She is on the South Beach diet. It was recommended by her
gastroenterologist which she had to go to when she could not tolerate the
diabetes med she is on. Because she has pre and not full blown diabetes, it
is the only med she can take. And unfortunately stomach issues are a side
effect. The South Beach diet allows only whole grains. She eats whole
wheat pasta and also brown rice. But... At the point in the diet that she
is on, she is allowed only three servings per day. Beans of any kind are
not counted and can be eaten whenever. Three fruits are allowed per day.
She said she is less interested in carbs now because she really doesn't like
the whole grains so well. She wants to eat more fruits. That could be a
problem.

But so far the diet is working for her. She is losing weight at the rate
that she should be. She also has a thyroid problem which can make weight
loss difficult.

She is very active with all of the dance she does, so taking away all of the
carbs would not work. She did try a generic low carb diet prior. She
didn't lose weight on it and didn't feel well. This diet is working *much*
better for her.