On 5/29/2012 7:22 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
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>>>>>> On Mon, 28 May 2012 00:41:15 -0700, Julie Bove wrote:
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>>>>>>>> Sounds like Julie is losing her last sympathizer.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I don't think he ever was one. Sounds like he was just messing with
>>>>>>> me all
>>>>>>> along.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That could very well be. He did seem to genuinely stick up for you at
>>>>>> one time or two. But then again he can be a little weird sometimes.
>>>>>
>>>>> Yes, he did which is why I am saying he is passive aggressive. He
>>>>> isn't the only one. Another person claimed she had stuck up for me in
>>>>> the past too. Not that I had noticed. But now she is just a nasty ass.
>>>>
>>>> I think you need to look up passive aggressive. It's not exactly
>>>> something you can do anonymously. All I did was try to explain away
>>>> your apparent confusion as to why, yet again, you found yourself
>>>> drowning in a sea of bad press.
>>>
>>> No. I don't need to look it up.
>>
>> Yes you do. The actual definition will surprise you. It's not something
>> a total stranger can even do to you.
>
> I did look it up. And it certainly can be done online. I'm not wrong. I
> know a person who was diagnosed with that type of behavior.



Oh GOD!! All right everybody, now, there is no need to panic. Everybody,
just back away slowly. Back away, don't go near it. Please, please just
leave it alone. Don't touch it. Don't agitate it. Avert your eyes, don't
look at it. For God's sake, leave it alone and maybe it will go away!!

"Julie Bove" > wrote in message
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> "Paul M. Cook" > wrote in message
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>> "Cheryl" > wrote in message
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>>> On 5/29/2012 3:18 AM, Storrmmee wrote:
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>>>> for the most part nothing that goes on here is important enough to get
>>>> my
>>>> panties in a bunch but since you want direct, this particular post of
>>>> yours
>>>> was rude and most passive agressive, and has a tinge of guilt if i had
>>>> meant
>>>> you i would have said so... and most of the posts for the record i
>>>> object to
>>>> are those i have blocked and see in others responses, to date this
>>>> hasn't
>>>> been you as you can see i am responding, and please feel free to block
>>>> me if
>>>> you don't like what i post,
>>>
>>> If they're blocked why read them in others replies, and worse, to
>>> comment about them?
>>>
>>> I think the phrase "passive aggressive" is being used way too much in
>>> this thread, and incorrectly.
>>>
>>
>> PA is a form of covert domestic abuse and involves manipulation through
>> actions such as ambivalence, procrastination and silence. Another term
>> for it is "crazy making." Pretty hard thing to accomplish online with
>> complete strangers who see you as pixels on a screen. An example of this
>> would be the white glove incident she described. Very, very PA.
>
> Not always. It can also be nasty nice.

It is abuse and the abuse only works against people who are emotionally
attached to the abuser. It typically requires an emotionally immature,
co-dependent, low self esteem individual as the victim.

You do not know of what you speak.

Paul

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>>>>>>> On Mon, 28 May 2012 00:41:15 -0700, Julie Bove wrote:
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>>>>>>>>> Sounds like Julie is losing her last sympathizer.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I don't think he ever was one. Sounds like he was just messing
>>>>>>>> with me all
>>>>>>>> along.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> That could very well be. He did seem to genuinely stick up for you
>>>>>>> at
>>>>>>> one time or two. But then again he can be a little weird sometimes.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yes, he did which is why I am saying he is passive aggressive. He
>>>>>> isn't the only one. Another person claimed she had stuck up for me
>>>>>> in the past too. Not that I had noticed. But now she is just a nasty
>>>>>> ass.
>>>>>
>>>>> I think you need to look up passive aggressive. It's not exactly
>>>>> something you can do anonymously. All I did was try to explain away
>>>>> your apparent confusion as to why, yet again, you found yourself
>>>>> drowning in a sea of bad press.
>>>>
>>>> No. I don't need to look it up.
>>>
>>> Yes you do. The actual definition will surprise you. It's not
>>> something a total stranger can even do to you.
>>
>> I did look it up. And it certainly can be done online. I'm not wrong.
>> I know a person who was diagnosed with that type of behavior.
>
> It cannot have any affect on YOU because YOU are an anonymous poster on a
> cooking group. So even if I was the worst PA by diagnosis it would not be
> possible for you to be affected by it in any way whatsoever. It is covert
> DOMESTIC abuse. It is something somebody you CARE ABOUT does to you
> because your emotional attachment to that person is how they CONTROL you
> with their behavior..
>
> Got it?

Did I say that anything you said has an effect on me? Does anything anyone
says here have an effect on me? For the most part, no! Most of what I see
posted here is pretty much crap.

"Paul M. Cook" > wrote in message
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>>> "Cheryl" > wrote in message
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>>>> On 5/29/2012 3:18 AM, Storrmmee wrote:
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>>>>> for the most part nothing that goes on here is important enough to get
>>>>> my
>>>>> panties in a bunch but since you want direct, this particular post of
>>>>> yours
>>>>> was rude and most passive agressive, and has a tinge of guilt if i had
>>>>> meant
>>>>> you i would have said so... and most of the posts for the record i
>>>>> object to
>>>>> are those i have blocked and see in others responses, to date this
>>>>> hasn't
>>>>> been you as you can see i am responding, and please feel free to block
>>>>> me if
>>>>> you don't like what i post,
>>>>
>>>> If they're blocked why read them in others replies, and worse, to
>>>> comment about them?
>>>>
>>>> I think the phrase "passive aggressive" is being used way too much in
>>>> this thread, and incorrectly.
>>>>
>>>
>>> PA is a form of covert domestic abuse and involves manipulation through
>>> actions such as ambivalence, procrastination and silence. Another term
>>> for it is "crazy making." Pretty hard thing to accomplish online with
>>> complete strangers who see you as pixels on a screen. An example of
>>> this would be the white glove incident she described. Very, very PA.
>>
>> Not always. It can also be nasty nice.
>
> It is abuse and the abuse only works against people who are emotionally
> attached to the abuser. It typically requires an emotionally immature,
> co-dependent, low self esteem individual as the victim.
>
> You do not know of what you speak.

It doesn't have to be abuse. It's a personality disorder. I do know of
what I speak.

"George M. Middius" > wrote in message
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> Julie Bove wrote:
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>> > I think Julie is only minimally aware that other people think about
>> > other things.
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>> That's pretty funny. On here they don't seem to be aware of other
>> things.
>> I see a whole lot of time being spent on me.
>
> Most of us go on Usenet for diversion, which (surprise!) you provide
> by the cartload.

Apparently so. Good thing I am useful for something. Huh?

Oh and BTW, no mold on any of my bread since I bought the new bread box. I
even have some Hoagie rolls which is something I rarely buy.

"Pennyaline" > wrote in message
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> On 5/29/2012 7:22 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
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>>> Dave Smith wrote:
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>>>> I will play the role of the passive-aggressive and suggest that someone
>>>> look up narcissism to to understand why Julie is determined to make
>>>> every thread about her and her miserable life.
>>>
>>> I think Julie is only minimally aware that other people think about
>>> other things.
>>
>> That's pretty funny. On here they don't seem to be aware of other
>> things.
>> I see a whole lot of time being spent on me.
>
>
> Well now, that pretty much proves George's point, doesn't it!
>
> Julie honey, life goes on. If you're going to leave this thread as you've
> said you intend to, then leave it already. I'm sure there are plenty of
> other things you could be doing (other than baking, or not baking as the
> case may be).

Well I see *you* haven't left it. So you think it is okay for you to be
here and me not.

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>>>> "Cheryl" > wrote in message
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>>>>> On 5/29/2012 3:18 AM, Storrmmee wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> for the most part nothing that goes on here is important enough to
>>>>>> get my
>>>>>> panties in a bunch but since you want direct, this particular post of
>>>>>> yours
>>>>>> was rude and most passive agressive, and has a tinge of guilt if i
>>>>>> had meant
>>>>>> you i would have said so... and most of the posts for the record i
>>>>>> object to
>>>>>> are those i have blocked and see in others responses, to date this
>>>>>> hasn't
>>>>>> been you as you can see i am responding, and please feel free to
>>>>>> block me if
>>>>>> you don't like what i post,
>>>>>
>>>>> If they're blocked why read them in others replies, and worse, to
>>>>> comment about them?
>>>>>
>>>>> I think the phrase "passive aggressive" is being used way too much in
>>>>> this thread, and incorrectly.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> PA is a form of covert domestic abuse and involves manipulation through
>>>> actions such as ambivalence, procrastination and silence. Another term
>>>> for it is "crazy making." Pretty hard thing to accomplish online with
>>>> complete strangers who see you as pixels on a screen. An example of
>>>> this would be the white glove incident she described. Very, very PA.
>>>
>>> Not always. It can also be nasty nice.
>>
>> It is abuse and the abuse only works against people who are emotionally
>> attached to the abuser. It typically requires an emotionally immature,
>> co-dependent, low self esteem individual as the victim.
>>
>> You do not know of what you speak.
>
> It doesn't have to be abuse. It's a personality disorder. I do know of
> what I speak.

You do not.

Paul

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>> Julie Bove wrote:
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>>> > I think Julie is only minimally aware that other people think about
>>> > other things.
>>>
>>> That's pretty funny. On here they don't seem to be aware of other
>>> things.
>>> I see a whole lot of time being spent on me.
>>
>> Most of us go on Usenet for diversion, which (surprise!) you provide
>> by the cartload.
>
> Apparently so. Good thing I am useful for something. Huh?
>
> Oh and BTW, no mold on any of my bread since I bought the new bread box.
> I even have some Hoagie rolls which is something I rarely buy.

Oh god, hoagies are just so icky.

Paul
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"Sqwertz" > wrote in message
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> You two REALLY need to get a room. Don't stay up too late, you two
> love birds. but if it keeps you two occupied, then by all means don't
> stop.
>
> Thread killed.

Squishy strikes.

Paul

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> You two REALLY need to get a room. Don't stay up too late, you two
> love birds. but if it keeps you two occupied, then by all means don't
> stop.
>
> Thread killed.

You can't kill my thread!

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>>> Julie Bove wrote:
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>>>> > I think Julie is only minimally aware that other people think about
>>>> > other things.
>>>>
>>>> That's pretty funny. On here they don't seem to be aware of other
>>>> things.
>>>> I see a whole lot of time being spent on me.
>>>
>>> Most of us go on Usenet for diversion, which (surprise!) you provide
>>> by the cartload.
>>
>> Apparently so. Good thing I am useful for something. Huh?
>>
>> Oh and BTW, no mold on any of my bread since I bought the new bread box.
>> I even have some Hoagie rolls which is something I rarely buy.
>
> Oh god, hoagies are just so icky.

Agreed.

"Julie Bove" > wrote in message
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>>>> Julie Bove wrote:
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>>>>> > I think Julie is only minimally aware that other people think about
>>>>> > other things.
>>>>>
>>>>> That's pretty funny. On here they don't seem to be aware of other
>>>>> things.
>>>>> I see a whole lot of time being spent on me.
>>>>
>>>> Most of us go on Usenet for diversion, which (surprise!) you provide
>>>> by the cartload.
>>>
>>> Apparently so. Good thing I am useful for something. Huh?
>>>
>>> Oh and BTW, no mold on any of my bread since I bought the new bread box.
>>> I even have some Hoagie rolls which is something I rarely buy.
>>
>> Oh god, hoagies are just so icky.
>
> Agreed.

How did I know?

Paul

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>>>>> Julie Bove wrote:
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>>>>>> > I think Julie is only minimally aware that other people think about
>>>>>> > other things.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That's pretty funny. On here they don't seem to be aware of other
>>>>>> things.
>>>>>> I see a whole lot of time being spent on me.
>>>>>
>>>>> Most of us go on Usenet for diversion, which (surprise!) you provide
>>>>> by the cartload.
>>>>
>>>> Apparently so. Good thing I am useful for something. Huh?
>>>>
>>>> Oh and BTW, no mold on any of my bread since I bought the new bread
>>>> box. I even have some Hoagie rolls which is something I rarely buy.
>>>
>>> Oh god, hoagies are just so icky.
>>
>> Agreed.
>
> How did I know?

Is that you peeking through my window?

i read them because when i read a post the screen reader starts at the top
by the time i figure out where the material i want to read is located it
usually means i have already read the blocked post, and for the most part
the uses of passive agressive have been correct, i don't have an opinion on
if it is being used too much, Lee
"Cheryl" > wrote in message
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> On 5/29/2012 3:18 AM, Storrmmee wrote:
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>> for the most part nothing that goes on here is important enough to get my
>> panties in a bunch but since you want direct, this particular post of
>> yours
>> was rude and most passive agressive, and has a tinge of guilt if i had
>> meant
>> you i would have said so... and most of the posts for the record i object
>> to
>> are those i have blocked and see in others responses, to date this hasn't
>> been you as you can see i am responding, and please feel free to block me
>> if
>> you don't like what i post,
>
> If they're blocked why read them in others replies, and worse, to comment
> about them?
>
> I think the phrase "passive aggressive" is being used way too much in this
> thread, and incorrectly.
>

while it can/does occur in homes, it isnot limited to the home and can occur
anywhere, even on line, Lee
"Julie Bove" > wrote in message
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>> "Cheryl" > wrote in message
>> .com...
>>> On 5/29/2012 3:18 AM, Storrmmee wrote:
>>>
>>>> for the most part nothing that goes on here is important enough to get
>>>> my
>>>> panties in a bunch but since you want direct, this particular post of
>>>> yours
>>>> was rude and most passive agressive, and has a tinge of guilt if i had
>>>> meant
>>>> you i would have said so... and most of the posts for the record i
>>>> object to
>>>> are those i have blocked and see in others responses, to date this
>>>> hasn't
>>>> been you as you can see i am responding, and please feel free to block
>>>> me if
>>>> you don't like what i post,
>>>
>>> If they're blocked why read them in others replies, and worse, to
>>> comment about them?
>>>
>>> I think the phrase "passive aggressive" is being used way too much in
>>> this thread, and incorrectly.
>>>
>>
>> PA is a form of covert domestic abuse and involves manipulation through
>> actions such as ambivalence, procrastination and silence. Another term
>> for it is "crazy making." Pretty hard thing to accomplish online with
>> complete strangers who see you as pixels on a screen. An example of this
>> would be the white glove incident she described. Very, very PA.
>
> Not always. It can also be nasty nice.
>

and the passive agressive behavior refers to the individual conducting
themselves in this manner, it has nothing to do with how attached the person
they are directing it at is attached to them... the person receiving the
treatment by the PA person can react anyway they like, it still doesn't
change the behavior, Lee
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>>>> "Cheryl" > wrote in message
>>>> .com...
>>>>> On 5/29/2012 3:18 AM, Storrmmee wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> for the most part nothing that goes on here is important enough to
>>>>>> get my
>>>>>> panties in a bunch but since you want direct, this particular post of
>>>>>> yours
>>>>>> was rude and most passive agressive, and has a tinge of guilt if i
>>>>>> had meant
>>>>>> you i would have said so... and most of the posts for the record i
>>>>>> object to
>>>>>> are those i have blocked and see in others responses, to date this
>>>>>> hasn't
>>>>>> been you as you can see i am responding, and please feel free to
>>>>>> block me if
>>>>>> you don't like what i post,
>>>>>
>>>>> If they're blocked why read them in others replies, and worse, to
>>>>> comment about them?
>>>>>
>>>>> I think the phrase "passive aggressive" is being used way too much in
>>>>> this thread, and incorrectly.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> PA is a form of covert domestic abuse and involves manipulation through
>>>> actions such as ambivalence, procrastination and silence. Another term
>>>> for it is "crazy making." Pretty hard thing to accomplish online with
>>>> complete strangers who see you as pixels on a screen. An example of
>>>> this would be the white glove incident she described. Very, very PA.
>>>
>>> Not always. It can also be nasty nice.
>>
>> It is abuse and the abuse only works against people who are emotionally
>> attached to the abuser. It typically requires an emotionally immature,
>> co-dependent, low self esteem individual as the victim.
>>
>> You do not know of what you speak.
>
> It doesn't have to be abuse. It's a personality disorder. I do know of
> what I speak.
>
>

i thought the term gastrointerollogist was a real doctor, sorry , Lees
"Julie Bove" > wrote in message
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>> In article >,
>> says...
>>>
>>> she has stated clearly that it is related to her health conditions, if
>>> you
>>> are going to critizse her at least pay enough attention to know that her
>>> doctor put on this diet and another before it, Lee
>>
>> If you paid more attention you'd know her daughter's list of
>> "conditions" change with the seasons and at least some of the diagnoses
>> (like the so-called "hair analysis") are by some unqualified crank Julie
>> found on the internet; not medical doctors.
>
> Riiiiiiiiight. Please stop telling your lies.
>

On May 26, 1:49*am, "Julie Bove" > wrote:
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> >>I bought the new chrome bread box. *I thought it had a window in it but it
> >>did not. *It does have a vent in the back though, which perhaps is
> >>important.
>
> >> The bread company never got back to me about my complaint but oddly
> >> enough they had only one lone package of the bread at Winco today.
> >> Normally there are dozens of packages. *I had noticed before that the
> >> bread felt very cold and it did feel cold again today. *They have a rack
> >> for it set up on some meat freezer cases. *I wonder if that could have
> >> anything to do with the cause of the mold? *Perhaps the bread itself
> >> feels cold but perhaps the way the freezer is venting is affecting it?
> >> Or perhaps the way it is stored in the stockroom?
>
> >> I checked the front and back pieces of bread well. *Didn't look moldy.
> >> But I was also afraid to buy it. *There was no white bread there at all.
> >> Only the lone package of the wheat. *So what happened to all the other
> >> bread? And there always is a ton! *I doubt that someone bought it all. *I
> >> opted to buy the whole wheat pita instead.
>
> >> None of my other bread has gone moldy. *Neither did the bran muffins..
>
> > Not sure what your question is. *Natural bread without preservatives goes
> > moldy very quickly so long as it is warm and moist. *The warmer and
> > moister the faster it goes moldy. *Mould spoors are everywhere. *You can
> > keep bread longer by keeping it in the fridge in a tightly sealed bag.
>
> There was no question this time. *Apparently you missed my Greek flatbread
> saga. *To try to keep it brief... *I had been buying white Greek flatbread
> for many months. *No problem. *Then daughter went on the South Beach diet.
> So she has to eat whole grains. *I switched to buying the whole wheat Greek
> flatbread. *Same brand, same store.
>
> But the whole wheat stuff was going moldy before it expired. *I checked the
> ingredients and it does have preservatives in it so this shouldn't happen..
> I finally wrote to the company after I threw out at least a couple of pieces
> and three entirely new, full packages that went moldy many days before the
> expiration date.
>
> I wasn't sure what the problem was. *I didn't really think it was something
> in my home as many here claimed it was. *None of my other bread went moldy.
> But... *I did have a wooden bread box with no ventilation in it. *I have
> gotten rid of that and gotten a new bread box with ventilation.
>
> When I wrote to the company I said I didn't know if it was something they
> were doing or something the store was doing. *I just found it odd that the
> store seems to have changed what they are doing. *In the past there were
> always dozens of packages of bread there. *Today there was one. *One whole
> wheat. *No white at all. *So did they check and find that all of the bread
> was bad? *Or...? *I don't know. *Just interesting.
>
> The bread company never did write back to me. *I do like their bread. *I
> just don't want to keep wasting *my money on it if it is going to keep going
> bad so quickly. *And it's very disappointing to have your mind set on eating
> bread and hummus for dinner only to find that you have no bread!

Cheap mother****ing capitalists keep their ****ing bread in goddamned
trucks sitting in the sun. That will speed up the fermentation. Nuke
Congress. Goddamned *******s.

what he is failing to see is he is dealing with what the receiver of the
behavior does, and not the perp of the behavior... if you are engaging in
passive agressivity it matters not who you are directing it at its still
that behavior... now who is and is not affected is another discussion, but
then people thought bullying couldn't hurt on line until fragile teens
starting taking their own lives, Lee
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>>>>>>> "Sqwertz" > wrote in message
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>>>>>>>> On Mon, 28 May 2012 00:41:15 -0700, Julie Bove wrote:
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>>>>>>>>> "Sqwertz" > wrote in message
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>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Sounds like Julie is losing her last sympathizer.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I don't think he ever was one. Sounds like he was just messing
>>>>>>>>> with me all
>>>>>>>>> along.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> That could very well be. He did seem to genuinely stick up for you
>>>>>>>> at
>>>>>>>> one time or two. But then again he can be a little weird
>>>>>>>> sometimes.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yes, he did which is why I am saying he is passive aggressive. He
>>>>>>> isn't the only one. Another person claimed she had stuck up for me
>>>>>>> in the past too. Not that I had noticed. But now she is just a
>>>>>>> nasty ass.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I think you need to look up passive aggressive. It's not exactly
>>>>>> something you can do anonymously. All I did was try to explain away
>>>>>> your apparent confusion as to why, yet again, you found yourself
>>>>>> drowning in a sea of bad press.
>>>>>
>>>>> No. I don't need to look it up.
>>>>
>>>> Yes you do. The actual definition will surprise you. It's not
>>>> something a total stranger can even do to you.
>>>
>>> I did look it up. And it certainly can be done online. I'm not wrong.
>>> I know a person who was diagnosed with that type of behavior.
>>
>> It cannot have any affect on YOU because YOU are an anonymous poster on a
>> cooking group. So even if I was the worst PA by diagnosis it would not
>> be possible for you to be affected by it in any way whatsoever. It is
>> covert DOMESTIC abuse. It is something somebody you CARE ABOUT does to
>> you because your emotional attachment to that person is how they CONTROL
>> you with their behavior..
>>
>> Got it?
>
> Did I say that anything you said has an effect on me? Does anything
> anyone says here have an effect on me? For the most part, no! Most of
> what I see posted here is pretty much crap.
>

lol a passive agressive peeping tom... Lee
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>>>>>> Julie Bove wrote:
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>>>>>>> > I think Julie is only minimally aware that other people think
>>>>>>> > about
>>>>>>> > other things.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> That's pretty funny. On here they don't seem to be aware of other
>>>>>>> things.
>>>>>>> I see a whole lot of time being spent on me.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Most of us go on Usenet for diversion, which (surprise!) you provide
>>>>>> by the cartload.
>>>>>
>>>>> Apparently so. Good thing I am useful for something. Huh?
>>>>>
>>>>> Oh and BTW, no mold on any of my bread since I bought the new bread
>>>>> box. I even have some Hoagie rolls which is something I rarely buy.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Oh god, hoagies are just so icky.
>>>
>>> Agreed.
>>
>> How did I know?
>
> Is that you peeking through my window?
>

"Storrmmee" > wrote in message
...
> while it can/does occur in homes, it isnot limited to the home and can
> occur anywhere, even on line, Lee

Yes. A person who has those tendencies will often tend to do it to everyone
because that's just how they are. It can be used in abusive ways.

The person I know of who was told by a counselor that he was being passive
aggressive was saying sort of nasty nice things. It was many years ago and
I can't remember exactly what he said. But an example would be like...
It's sad that you're so fat because you have such a pretty face! AFAIK he
never said this but it is something I have heard said (and not to me) many
times. The person will say something insulting but then claim it isn't
insulting because they offered you a compliment. Another example that was
used in this thread was, "No offense, but...." Of course they mean offense!
But they think if they say something semi-nice prior it makes the verbal
abuse okay.

"Storrmmee" > wrote in message
...
> and the passive agressive behavior refers to the individual conducting
> themselves in this manner, it has nothing to do with how attached the
> person they are directing it at is attached to them... the person
> receiving the treatment by the PA person can react anyway they like, it
> still doesn't change the behavior, Lee

Correct!

"Storrmmee" > wrote in message
...
>i thought the term gastrointerollogist was a real doctor, sorry , Lees

Perhaps I should tell Drs. Shmeid and Chaffee that they are not real?

"Catfood Chef" > wrote in message
...

Cheap mother****ing capitalists keep their ****ing bread in goddamned
trucks sitting in the sun. That will speed up the fermentation. Nuke
Congress. Goddamned *******s.

Thanks! Now there's an actual helpful answer!

"Storrmmee" > wrote in message
...
> what he is failing to see is he is dealing with what the receiver of the
> behavior does, and not the perp of the behavior... if you are engaging in
> passive agressivity it matters not who you are directing it at its still
> that behavior... now who is and is not affected is another discussion, but
> then people thought bullying couldn't hurt on line until fragile teens
> starting taking their own lives, Lee

Exactly. Bullies rarely see what they are doing as a bad thing. Perhaps
some don't even realize that they are doing it. I do know one bully who
does know he is doing it. He has even said that you don't need friends if
you are a bully because people will just do what you want. And while he has
a point... Is that any way to live? Rhetorical question.

For someone to say to me (or anyone else) that they are inviting people to
say mean things to them or bully them is just specious!

I do realize now that I was wrong when I said nobody wants people to
criticize them. I am thinking now of this drop dead gorgeous man who was a
customer at the store where I worked. I am sure he had some sort of mental
problem. He could never just buy something and be sure that was what he
wanted.

If he wanted dishes, he would buy 2 or 3 sets that he thought he liked (but
wasn't sure), then have a dinner party and have his guests decide which of
the dishes they liked. After he used them of course! And then he would
return the ones they didn't like. He did similar things with watches,
jewelry, clothing and shoes. Always wearing or using the products in his
day to day life and having his friends decide which were the right ones for
him. Clearly this man had a problem.

We couldn't keep allowing him to return the used things because there was
nothing wrong with them. And we did feel sorry for him because he really
did seem tormented to be unable to make a decision on his own. We actually
even wondered what he served his guests when he had the dinner parties. How
could he decide? Or maybe he had them vote on sample menus prior?

I don't know what became of him. We lost him as a customer after we told
him we could no longer take back his used things. I guess he moved on to
some other store. I do know that he was in counseling because he did tell
us that.

And of course I think it is perfectly normal for people at some time or
other to not be able to make a decision and turn to others for help. Not
that they are necessarily wanting to be criticized but I suppose it could
happen.

I used to be very good at controlling people. My mom overheard me talking
on the phone to a friend and was shocked. Asked me why I was talking to him
like that. And my reply was, "Because he let me!" I was just a kid then.
At that point right there, I realized what was wrong with what I said. He
didn't "let" me. I just did it and he didn't know how to stop me. Perhaps
bullyish behavior. Although I didn't exactly hurt him. At least I don't
think so. I can't even remember what I said exactly but it wasn't verbal
abuse. I was just getting annoyed because he couldn't seem to decide
whether or not he wanted to do what I wanted to do that day.

So at that point in time, I realized the power that I had. I could get
people to do what I wanted! It was a very simple thing for me to do.
But... Wouldn't it be much better to surround myself with people who were
like minded and really *did* want to do what I wanted to do? Yes!

Of course that isn't always going to happen. We have to live in the real
world and we have to get along with people.

We don't always have to think alike. But I also don't think it serves any
purpose to keep poking fun at other people again and again and again or
insulting them or telling them what to do when they didn't ask for advice.
Just my opinion.

"Storrmmee" > wrote in message
...
> lol a passive agressive peeping tom... Lee

It's not a pretty sight, let me tell you! Damn! Why did I have those
bushes pruned!?

lol, Lee
"Julie Bove" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Storrmmee" > wrote in message
> ...
>>i thought the term gastrointerollogist was a real doctor, sorry , Lees
>
> Perhaps I should tell Drs. Shmeid and Chaffee that they are not real?
>

On 5/29/2012 11:02 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
> nit> wrote in message
> ...
>> On 5/29/2012 7:22 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>>> "George M. > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>> Dave Smith wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I will play the role of the passive-aggressive and suggest that someone
>>>>> look up narcissism to to understand why Julie is determined to make
>>>>> every thread about her and her miserable life.
>>>>
>>>> I think Julie is only minimally aware that other people think about
>>>> other things.
>>>
>>> That's pretty funny. On here they don't seem to be aware of other
>>> things.
>>> I see a whole lot of time being spent on me.
>>
>>
>> Well now, that pretty much proves George's point, doesn't it!
>>
>> Julie honey, life goes on. If you're going to leave this thread as you've
>> said you intend to, then leave it already. I'm sure there are plenty of
>> other things you could be doing (other than baking, or not baking as the
>> case may be).
>
> Well I see *you* haven't left it. So you think it is okay for you to be
> here and me not.

I didn't declare that I was done with it. You did.

Paul M. Cook wrote:

> Oh god, hoagies are just so icky.

The only icky hoagie I ever tasted was poisoned with mayonnaise.
Dressed properly, hoagies are great sandwiches.

"George M. Middius" > wrote in message
...
> Paul M. Cook wrote:
>
>> Oh god, hoagies are just so icky.
>
> The only icky hoagie I ever tasted was poisoned with mayonnaise.
> Dressed properly, hoagies are great sandwiches.

Nobody in my family can eat them. I did once but never again. Hubbie can't
stand them and left home for a week the last time I bought them. Daughter
had to be taken to the ER after seeing the bag on the counter. The dog ate
one bite and had to be shot by animal control.

Paul

"Pennyaline" > wrote in message
...
> On 5/29/2012 7:22 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>> "Paul M. > wrote in message
>> ...
>>>
>>> "Julie > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>>
>>>> "Paul M. > wrote in message
>>>> ...
>>>>>
>>>>> "Julie > wrote in message
>>>>> ...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> > wrote in message
>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>> On Mon, 28 May 2012 00:41:15 -0700, Julie Bove wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> > wrote in message
>>>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Sounds like Julie is losing her last sympathizer.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I don't think he ever was one. Sounds like he was just messing
>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>> me all
>>>>>>>> along.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> That could very well be. He did seem to genuinely stick up for you
>>>>>>> at
>>>>>>> one time or two. But then again he can be a little weird sometimes.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yes, he did which is why I am saying he is passive aggressive. He
>>>>>> isn't the only one. Another person claimed she had stuck up for me
>>>>>> in
>>>>>> the past too. Not that I had noticed. But now she is just a nasty
>>>>>> ass.
>>>>>
>>>>> I think you need to look up passive aggressive. It's not exactly
>>>>> something you can do anonymously. All I did was try to explain away
>>>>> your apparent confusion as to why, yet again, you found yourself
>>>>> drowning in a sea of bad press.
>>>>
>>>> No. I don't need to look it up.
>>>
>>> Yes you do. The actual definition will surprise you. It's not
>>> something
>>> a total stranger can even do to you.
>>
>> I did look it up. And it certainly can be done online. I'm not wrong.
>> I
>> know a person who was diagnosed with that type of behavior.
>
>
>
> Oh GOD!! All right everybody, now, there is no need to panic. Everybody,
> just back away slowly. Back away, don't go near it. Please, please just
> leave it alone. Don't touch it. Don't agitate it. Avert your eyes, don't
> look at it. For God's sake, leave it alone and maybe it will go away!!

My my, how PA.

Paul

Paul M. Cook wrote:

> >> Oh god, hoagies are just so icky.
> >
> > The only icky hoagie I ever tasted was poisoned with mayonnaise.
> > Dressed properly, hoagies are great sandwiches.
>
> Nobody in my family can eat them. I did once but never again. Hubbie can't
> stand them and left home for a week the last time I bought them. Daughter
> had to be taken to the ER after seeing the bag on the counter. The dog ate
> one bite and had to be shot by animal control.

I'm going to count down from 5. When I reach 1, you will wake up. You
will not remember the name "Julie Bove" and you will no longer be
terrified of moldy bread.

5
4
3
2
...

Oops, gotta run. Something's burning in the kitchen.

On Wed, 30 May 2012 09:46:44 -0700, "Paul M. Cook" >
wrote:

>
>"George M. Middius" > wrote in message
.. .
>> Paul M. Cook wrote:
>>
>>> Oh god, hoagies are just so icky.
>>
>> The only icky hoagie I ever tasted was poisoned with mayonnaise.
>> Dressed properly, hoagies are great sandwiches.
>
>Nobody in my family can eat them. I did once but never again. Hubbie can't
>stand them and left home for a week the last time I bought them. Daughter
>had to be taken to the ER after seeing the bag on the counter. The dog ate
>one bite and had to be shot by animal control.
>
>Paul

I never liked the term "Hoagie"... I much prefer "Hero" or
"Submarine", even "Grinder" is okay... but "Hoagie" sounds so
***/queer.

"George M. Middius" > wrote in message
...
> Paul M. Cook wrote:
>
>> >> Oh god, hoagies are just so icky.
>> >
>> > The only icky hoagie I ever tasted was poisoned with mayonnaise.
>> > Dressed properly, hoagies are great sandwiches.
>>
>> Nobody in my family can eat them. I did once but never again. Hubbie
>> can't
>> stand them and left home for a week the last time I bought them.
>> Daughter
>> had to be taken to the ER after seeing the bag on the counter. The dog
>> ate
>> one bite and had to be shot by animal control.
>
> I'm going to count down from 5. When I reach 1, you will wake up. You
> will not remember the name "Julie Bove" and you will no longer be
> terrified of moldy bread.
>
> 5
> 4
> 3
> 2
> ...
>
> Oops, gotta run. Something's burning in the kitchen.


Can we start over from 4 next time?

Paul

"George M. Middius" wrote:
>
> Paul M. Cook wrote:
>
> > Oh god, hoagies are just so icky.
>
> The only icky hoagie I ever tasted was poisoned with mayonnaise.
> Dressed properly, hoagies are great sandwiches.

"poisoned with mayonnaise" LOL!

On 5/30/2012 10:48 AM, Paul M. Cook wrote:
> nit> wrote in message
> ...
>> On 5/29/2012 7:22 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>>> "Paul M. > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>>
>>>> "Julie > wrote in message
>>>> ...
>>>>>
>>>>> "Paul M. > wrote in message
>>>>> ...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Julie > wrote in message
>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> > wrote in message
>>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>>> On Mon, 28 May 2012 00:41:15 -0700, Julie Bove wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> > wrote in message
>>>>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Sounds like Julie is losing her last sympathizer.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I don't think he ever was one. Sounds like he was just messing
>>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>>> me all
>>>>>>>>> along.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> That could very well be. He did seem to genuinely stick up for you
>>>>>>>> at
>>>>>>>> one time or two. But then again he can be a little weird sometimes.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yes, he did which is why I am saying he is passive aggressive. He
>>>>>>> isn't the only one. Another person claimed she had stuck up for me
>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>> the past too. Not that I had noticed. But now she is just a nasty
>>>>>>> ass.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I think you need to look up passive aggressive. It's not exactly
>>>>>> something you can do anonymously. All I did was try to explain away
>>>>>> your apparent confusion as to why, yet again, you found yourself
>>>>>> drowning in a sea of bad press.
>>>>>
>>>>> No. I don't need to look it up.
>>>>
>>>> Yes you do. The actual definition will surprise you. It's not
>>>> something
>>>> a total stranger can even do to you.
>>>
>>> I did look it up. And it certainly can be done online. I'm not wrong.
>>> I
>>> know a person who was diagnosed with that type of behavior.
>>
>>
>>
>> Oh GOD!! All right everybody, now, there is no need to panic. Everybody,
>> just back away slowly. Back away, don't go near it. Please, please just
>> leave it alone. Don't touch it. Don't agitate it. Avert your eyes, don't
>> look at it. For God's sake, leave it alone and maybe it will go away!!
>
> My my, how PA.

"Hey, I don't need to look it up but I did and I know a person who was
diagnosed with it... and I still haven't gotten an answer but your
answer doesn't agree with the one I got online... and and and you people
sure do seem to be paying a lot of attention to me but since everything
is about me it makes sense that you should and and and... yeah, that's
it, yeah!"

George M. Middius > wrote:
> Paul M. Cook wrote:
>
>> Oh god, hoagies are just so icky.
>
> The only icky hoagie I ever tasted was poisoned with mayonnaise.
> Dressed properly, hoagies are great sandwiches.

Most people like mayo on their sandwiches, and I consider a hoagie a
sandwich.
Tuna salad with more mayo, lettuce, tomato, onions, one of my favorite
hoagies, toasted. I get a $7 Italian hoagie made on a whole loaf of Italian
bread. This thing is over 4 inches thick and at least a foot long or more.
I get 3-4 meals from one.

Greg

In article >, "Julie Bove" >
wrote:

>
> "Storrmmee" > wrote in message
> ...
> > what he is failing to see is he is dealing with what the receiver of the
> > behavior does, and not the perp of the behavior... if you are engaging in
> > passive agressivity it matters not who you are directing it at its still
> > that behavior... now who is and is not affected is another discussion, but
> > then people thought bullying couldn't hurt on line until fragile teens
> > starting taking their own lives, Lee
>
> Exactly. Bullies rarely see what they are doing as a bad thing. Perhaps
> some don't even realize that they are doing it.

strange how this exactly describes you. you just do it in an entirely different
matter. you make what seems to be an innocuous post and then deny that you are
complaining or asking for help. you also abuse anyone that actually believes you
are asking for help and dares to offer it.

"Julie Bove" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Sqwertz" > wrote in message
> ...
>> You two REALLY need to get a room. Don't stay up too late, you two
>> love birds. but if it keeps you two occupied, then by all means don't
>> stop.
>>
>> Thread killed.
>
> You can't kill my thread!

It's like Jason.

Paul

lol, Lee
"Julie Bove" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Storrmmee" > wrote in message
> ...
>> lol a passive agressive peeping tom... Lee
>
> It's not a pretty sight, let me tell you! Damn! Why did I have those
> bushes pruned!?
>