In article .com>,
"Pete C." > wrote:

> Placebo effect.

Bullshite.

But, if you'd rather risk being cut open and gutted for no pain relief,
be my guest!
--
Peace! Om

"Love and compassion are necessities, not luxuries. Without them humanity cannot survive." -- Dalai Lama

Omelet wrote:
>
> In article .com>,
> "Pete C." > wrote:
>
> > Placebo effect.
>
> Bullshite.
>
> But, if you'd rather risk being cut open and gutted for no pain relief,
> be my guest!

I never said that surgery was desirable, I indicated that educated
people consider all valid medical options and that chiropractors were
not one of the valid medical options.

In article .com>,
"Pete C." > wrote:

> Omelet wrote:
> >
> > In article .com>,
> > "Pete C." > wrote:
> >
> > > Placebo effect.
> >
> > Bullshite.
> >
> > But, if you'd rather risk being cut open and gutted for no pain relief,
> > be my guest!
>
> I never said that surgery was desirable, I indicated that educated
> people consider all valid medical options and that chiropractors were
> not one of the valid medical options.

I'm sorry but I have to disagree.

I've had too many good results from Chiropractic care.

Back when I was a teenager, they discovered I had rather bad scoliosis.
Double S-curve of the thoracic and lumbar spine.

2 years of Chiro' manipulation and my spine was straight. The surgical
option was to cut me open from stem to stern and bolt my spine to a rod.

That's a choice?

Educated people educated about GOOD chiropractic care should consider it
as a viable option and make damned sure they get references! I did.

I'd also suggest the same for an MD.
--
Peace! Om

"Love and compassion are necessities, not luxuries. Without them humanity cannot survive." -- Dalai Lama

Omelet wrote:
>
> Many MD's scare the living hell out of me.

There is one thing we can agree on. It's also one of the reasons I have
a "do not treat" medical directive. I am very very particular with what
doctors I will do business with and have fired several in the past.

Most recently I fired an allergist, though it wasn't so much for
competence as for personality conflict. When I got around to finding
another I found one I really like who I think is more thorough than the
other and who I get along with well.

>
> And some are alcoholics or drug addicts.

I expect that this is true of pretty much every profession there is.

>
> I did a considerable amount of research before choosing one and got
> references. The one I chose is most excellent and knows what the hell he
> is doing.
>
> He ain't no placebo. ;-)
>
> Like I said, even my Ortho' surgeon (MD) recommended him. The guy has a
> seriously good reputation in the area.

Hey, if it works for you, great. The placebo effect requires belief in
the placebo, so it would never work for me.

In article .com>,
"Pete C." > wrote:

> Omelet wrote:
> >
> > Many MD's scare the living hell out of me.
>
> There is one thing we can agree on. It's also one of the reasons I have
> a "do not treat" medical directive. I am very very particular with what
> doctors I will do business with and have fired several in the past.
>
> Most recently I fired an allergist, though it wasn't so much for
> competence as for personality conflict. When I got around to finding
> another I found one I really like who I think is more thorough than the
> other and who I get along with well.
>
> >
> > And some are alcoholics or drug addicts.
>
> I expect that this is true of pretty much every profession there is.

Most likely. ;-)

>
> >
> > I did a considerable amount of research before choosing one and got
> > references. The one I chose is most excellent and knows what the hell he
> > is doing.
> >
> > He ain't no placebo. ;-)
> >
> > Like I said, even my Ortho' surgeon (MD) recommended him. The guy has a
> > seriously good reputation in the area.
>
> Hey, if it works for you, great. The placebo effect requires belief in
> the placebo, so it would never work for me.

X-rays are pretty good proof that it ain't no placebo.

See previous post.

I'm sorry your mind is closed against all Chiropractors. You are really
missing out, but that is your choice!

And that's ok...
--
Peace! Om

"Love and compassion are necessities, not luxuries. Without them humanity cannot survive." -- Dalai Lama

On Sun, 14 Dec 2008 12:19:16 -0600, "Pete C." >
wrote:

>Chiropractors are quacks.

Not all ... just not not all physicians are quacks. Many
chiropractors are extremely helpful.

My two cents,
Carol

On Sun, 14 Dec 2008 15:25:01 +0000 (UTC), PeterL >
wrote:

>"Macuser" > wrote in
:
>
>> I always make a double pot of coffee and refrigerate the leftover for
>> iced coffee. My little customizing tip is to add a dash of vanilla
>> flavoring. I happen to have some genuine Mexican vanilla flavoring so
>> my iced java tastes like a luxury product.
>>
>>
>
>
>
>What's "genuine Mexican vanilla flavoring"???

PeterL, just be very careful when you buy "genuine Mexican vanilla
flavoring"
Some of it is made from the toxic bean coumarin. It's used to make a
flavoring just like vanilla and is a know carcinogen.

Make sure your Mexican vanilla is labeled coumarin free.

koko
There is no love more sincere than the love of food
George Bernard Shaw
www.kokoscorner.typepad.com
updated 12/11

On Sun, 14 Dec 2008 00:19:38 -0500, "cybercat" >
wrote:

>Strange time of year, maybe, but I like it.

Something about an iced coffee, even if it isn't sweetened, satisfies
afternoon cravings for something sweet.

Tara

On Sun, 14 Dec 2008 13:17:07 -0600, Omelet >
wrote:

>My Chiropractor has been a godsend.

I went to my chiropractor every three or four weeks when I was
pregnant with twins. I did not have one day of back or leg pain.
That's more than you can hope for with a singleton pregnancy. We also
made it to 38 weeks and 3 days before my boys were born.

Would I have had the same experience without my chiropractor? I can't
say. I would do it again.

Tara

OB food: I craved tomatoes, cottage cheese, and Gatorade to
distraction.

Tara

PeterL wrote:
> "Macuser" > wrote in
> :
>
>> I always make a double pot of coffee and refrigerate the leftover for
>> iced coffee. My little customizing tip is to add a dash of vanilla
>> flavoring. I happen to have some genuine Mexican vanilla flavoring so
>> my iced java tastes like a luxury product.
>>
>>
>
>
>
> What's "genuine Mexican vanilla flavoring"???
>
>
>

I hope for the poster's sake that it's NOT Mexican vanilla AKA coumarin.

gloria p

In article >,
Tara > wrote:

> On Sun, 14 Dec 2008 13:17:07 -0600, Omelet >
> wrote:
>
> >My Chiropractor has been a godsend.
>
> I went to my chiropractor every three or four weeks when I was
> pregnant with twins. I did not have one day of back or leg pain.
> That's more than you can hope for with a singleton pregnancy. We also
> made it to 38 weeks and 3 days before my boys were born.
>
> Would I have had the same experience without my chiropractor? I can't
> say. I would do it again.
>
> Tara
>
> OB food: I craved tomatoes, cottage cheese, and Gatorade to
> distraction.
>
> Tara

I'm glad you had a good experience. :-) It's like I posted tho', you do
have to be selective.

But imho that's NO different than an MD, especially a surgeon.

I feel blessed working in health care. I get to SEE who the screw ups
are locally and choose the good ones. <g>
--
Peace! Om

"Love and compassion are necessities, not luxuries. Without them humanity cannot survive." -- Dalai Lama

"Damsel in dis Dress" > wrote in message
...
> On Sun, 14 Dec 2008 12:19:16 -0600, "Pete C." >
> wrote:
>
>>Chiropractors are quacks.
>
> Not all ... just not not all physicians are quacks. Many
> chiropractors are extremely helpful.
>


They make pain go away. Quack that.

"Pete C." > wrote
>> Like I said, even my Ortho' surgeon (MD) recommended him. The guy has a
>> seriously good reputation in the area.
>
> Hey, if it works for you, great. The placebo effect requires belief in
> the placebo, so it would never work for me.

Physicians are even doing spinal manipulation now. It works. It's physics,
FFS.

"Pete C." > wrote in message
ster.com...
>
> sf wrote:
>>
>> On Sun, 14 Dec 2008 12:36:29 -0600, "Pete C." >
>> wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >cybercat wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > Chiropractors are quacks.
>> >>
>> >> Right. Ass.
>> >
>> >Fact. You only have to look at the areas where they are found to see it.
>> >Chiropractors are virtually non existent in states that are known for a
>> >well educated population, and in those states chiropractors are only
>> >found in the low income lower educated areas.
>>
>> Times have changed and so has the chiropractic profession, Pete. I
>> remember when they were a bunch of vitamin pushing quacks too, but now
>> I can go to one for a $10 co-pay to my HMO.
>
> Coverage under an HMO in no way legitimizes them. Health insurance now
> provides limited coverage for it as well as other "alternative medicine"
> on the basis of public relations and possible placebo effect benefit.
>
> As for times changing, I see a large number of advertisements for
> chiropractors in the market outside of Dallas, and they still advertise
> vitamins, "cleansing", and all manner of quackery.

Simple spinal manipulation that puts the vertebrae back where they below and
so relieves muscle and nerve pain is a practical and efficient way to
releive pain. Physicians are doing it now. The "soft tissue" claims are
horseshit, and good chiroprators will tell you that. For you not to make a
distinction between the valid practitioners and the soft tissue Voodoo dudes
is like saying, "Doctors are quacks." Some are, some aren't. It's very
annoying when people state really stupid things with great self assurance.

There now, that's a bit more diplomatic than my simply telling you that
you're STUPID, isn't it?

cybercat wrote:
>
> "Pete C." > wrote in message
> ster.com...
> >
> > sf wrote:
> >>
> >> On Sun, 14 Dec 2008 12:36:29 -0600, "Pete C." >
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> >
> >> >cybercat wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> > Chiropractors are quacks.
> >> >>
> >> >> Right. Ass.
> >> >
> >> >Fact. You only have to look at the areas where they are found to see it.
> >> >Chiropractors are virtually non existent in states that are known for a
> >> >well educated population, and in those states chiropractors are only
> >> >found in the low income lower educated areas.
> >>
> >> Times have changed and so has the chiropractic profession, Pete. I
> >> remember when they were a bunch of vitamin pushing quacks too, but now
> >> I can go to one for a $10 co-pay to my HMO.
> >
> > Coverage under an HMO in no way legitimizes them. Health insurance now
> > provides limited coverage for it as well as other "alternative medicine"
> > on the basis of public relations and possible placebo effect benefit.
> >
> > As for times changing, I see a large number of advertisements for
> > chiropractors in the market outside of Dallas, and they still advertise
> > vitamins, "cleansing", and all manner of quackery.
>
> Simple spinal manipulation that puts the vertebrae back where they below and
> so relieves muscle and nerve pain is a practical and efficient way to
> releive pain. Physicians are doing it now. The "soft tissue" claims are
> horseshit, and good chiroprators will tell you that. For you not to make a
> distinction between the valid practitioners and the soft tissue Voodoo dudes
> is like saying, "Doctors are quacks." Some are, some aren't. It's very
> annoying when people state really stupid things with great self assurance.
>
> There now, that's a bit more diplomatic than my simply telling you that
> you're STUPID, isn't it?

Please explain the correlation between chiropractors, check cashing
outfits, pay day loan outfits, strip mall churches and low income, low
education populations.

koko > wrote in
:

> On Sun, 14 Dec 2008 15:25:01 +0000 (UTC), PeterL >
> wrote:
>
>>"Macuser" > wrote in
:
>>
>>> I always make a double pot of coffee and refrigerate the leftover
for
>>> iced coffee. My little customizing tip is to add a dash of vanilla
>>> flavoring. I happen to have some genuine Mexican vanilla flavoring
so
>>> my iced java tastes like a luxury product.
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>What's "genuine Mexican vanilla flavoring"???
>
> PeterL, just be very careful when you buy "genuine Mexican vanilla
> flavoring"
> Some of it is made from the toxic bean coumarin. It's used to make a
> flavoring just like vanilla and is a know carcinogen.
>
> Make sure your Mexican vanilla is labeled coumarin free.
>


No worries there....... I get my vanilla beans from Madagasca.... or
used to anyway. Seems they've got some sort of bug that is killing off
their vanilla bean plants at the moment.



--
Peter Lucas
Brisbane
Australia

"People are more violently opposed to fur than leather because it is
safer to harrass rich women than motorcycle gangs."

Gloria P > wrote in news:6qldvpFd8bm4U2
@mid.individual.net:

> PeterL wrote:
>> "Macuser" > wrote in
>> :
>>
>>> I always make a double pot of coffee and refrigerate the leftover
for
>>> iced coffee. My little customizing tip is to add a dash of vanilla
>>> flavoring. I happen to have some genuine Mexican vanilla flavoring
so
>>> my iced java tastes like a luxury product.
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> What's "genuine Mexican vanilla flavoring"???
>>
>>
>>
>
> I hope for the poster's sake that it's NOT Mexican vanilla AKA
coumarin.
>
> gloria p
>


Hmmmmmmmmm, that's about the 3rd time I've heard of that. Time to hit
Google and see what it is.



--
Peter Lucas
Brisbane
Australia

"People are more violently opposed to fur than leather because it is
safer to harrass rich women than motorcycle gangs."

Gloria P > wrote in news:6qldvpFd8bm4U2
@mid.individual.net:


>> What's "genuine Mexican vanilla flavoring"???
>>
>>
>>
>
> I hope for the poster's sake that it's NOT Mexican vanilla AKA
coumarin.
>


Phytochemical:
Coumarin

Synonyms: 1,2-Benzopyrone, 2H-1-Benzopyran-2-one

Properties: Coumarin has blood-thinning, anti-fungicidal and anti-tumor
activities. Coumarin should not be taken while using anticoagulants.
Coumarin increases the blood flow in the veins and decreases capillary
permeability. Coumarin can be toxic when used at high doses for a long
period

Facts about Coumarin: Coumarin seems to work as a pesticide in the
plants that produce it. Coumarin is responsible for the sweet smell of
new mown hay.

Description: Coumarin is a phytochemical with a vanilla like
flavour. Coumarin is a oxygen heterocycle. Coumarin can occur either
free or combined with the sugar glucose (coumarin glycoside).

Distribution: Coumarin is found in several plants, including tonka
beans, lavender, licorice, strawberries, apricots, cherries, cinnamon,
and sweet clover.




--
Peter Lucas
Brisbane
Australia

"People are more violently opposed to fur than leather because it is
safer to harrass rich women than motorcycle gangs."

On Sun 14 Dec 2008 07:20:25a, Nexis told us...

>
> "Wayne Boatwright" > wrote in message
> 5.247...
>> On Sat 13 Dec 2008 10:19:38p, cybercat told us...
>>
>>> Strange time of year, maybe, but I like it. (Some time back I tried a
>>> Starbuck's Frappacino and liked it, but not the huge amount of sugar
>>> or the $ cost.)
>>>
>>> Good strong, fresh coffee with natural vanilla, sweetened and
>>> lightened to taste with your choice of sweetener and creamer, over
>>> ice.
>>>
>>> I use Splenda and 2% milk.
>>>
>>> I'm drinking it now, and imagine I will have one more and won't see
>>> sleepy time until dawn. Okay because I'm working. If it were slightly
>>> thickened like the Starbucks kind, it might be better, but I don't
>>> want to add crap to it.
>>
>> I don't generally drink hot coffee, no matter the season, but always
>> iced. Except for a bit of mocha syrup added, I don't like any other
>> flavors added
>> to iteither, and I don't like it the least bit sweetened. What I end
>> up with is strong coffee, lots of ice, and a healthy (or unhealthy)
>> glug of half and half cream.
>>
>> --
>> Wayne Boatwright
>> (correct the spelling of "geemail" to reply)
>
>
> I put my version of iced coffee on my blog, and got several emails from
> people who said it would keep them up for days! lol. It's never effected
> me that way, thankfully. It's 5 shots of espresso, a little vanilla or
> cinnamon syrup, and a shot of half & half...and lots of ice. I shake the
> espresso with ice before adding the half & half. It cracked me up when
> Starbucks came out with the Double Shot drinks because it was
> essentially what I'd been making for years...but the good thing is they
> charged much less for it than they did the majority of their iced
> drinks, so if I was out and about, I wouldn't feel bad about getting
> one.
>
> kimberly
> --
> http://eating-sandiego.blogspot.com
>
>

I don't like *any* flavorings in my coffee, with the occasional exception
of mocha. Vanilla, hazelnut, raspberry, etc., literry turn my stomach when
I smell them.

OTOH, years ago when I did drink hot coffee, we frequented a restaurant
whose signature coffee had chicory and cinnamon stick added to the brew
basket. I really did like that, at the time.

--
Wayne Boatwright
(correct the spelling of "geemail" to reply)
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************************************************** **********************
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koko wrote:

> PeterL, just be very careful when you buy "genuine Mexican vanilla
> flavoring"
> Some of it is made from the toxic bean coumarin. It's used to make a
> flavoring just like vanilla and is a know carcinogen.
>
> Make sure your Mexican vanilla is labeled coumarin free.

Ummm... That's very close, but not quite right. The beans are called tonka
beans, and coumarin is the compound in the beans which make them toxic if
too much is consumed. Also, when consumed, coumarin is a liver/kidney toxin
more than it is a carcinogen -- though if inhaled, it can cause lung cancer.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tonka_bean
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coumarin

Bob

"notbob" > wrote in message
...
> On Sun, 14 Dec 2008 06:20:25 -0800, Nexis wrote:
>
>
>>
>> I put my version of iced coffee on my blog.......
>
> ....and your blog is??
>
> nb

Sorry! d'oh!
http://eating-sandiego.blogspot.com

the signature thing-y didn't work for some reason...there's new cookie
recipes though...will that make up for it?

Happy Holidays!
kimberly
--
http://eating-sandiego.blogspot.com
New appetizer and cookie recipes and photos!

In article > ,
PeterL > wrote:

> Gloria P > wrote in news:6qldvpFd8bm4U2
> @mid.individual.net:
>
> > PeterL wrote:
> >> "Macuser" > wrote in
> >> :
> >>
> >>> I always make a double pot of coffee and refrigerate the leftover
> for
> >>> iced coffee. My little customizing tip is to add a dash of vanilla
> >>> flavoring. I happen to have some genuine Mexican vanilla flavoring
> so
> >>> my iced java tastes like a luxury product.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> What's "genuine Mexican vanilla flavoring"???
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> > I hope for the poster's sake that it's NOT Mexican vanilla AKA
> coumarin.
> >
> > gloria p
> >
>
>
> Hmmmmmmmmm, that's about the 3rd time I've heard of that. Time to hit
> Google and see what it is.

IMHO Vanilla extract is too easy to make at home. There is no reason to
purchase Mexican VE that does, indeed, have Coumarin in it. I've heard
tho' that the danger is over-rated but I'm not chancing it.

Take a bottle of Vodka or everclear, place the vanilla beans in it and
let it sit for about 6 months. How long will it take you to use up
750mls. of Vanilla extract for pity sakes?

That'll last me about 10 years.
--
Peace! Om

"Love and compassion are necessities, not luxuries. Without them humanity cannot survive." -- Dalai Lama

Omelet > wrote in newsmpomelet-
:


>
> IMHO Vanilla extract is too easy to make at home. There is no reason
to
> purchase Mexican VE that does, indeed, have Coumarin in it. I've
heard
> tho' that the danger is over-rated but I'm not chancing it.
>
> Take a bottle of Vodka or everclear, place the vanilla beans in it and
> let it sit for about 6 months. How long will it take you to use up
> 750mls. of Vanilla extract for pity sakes?
>
> That'll last me about 10 years.



You're preaching to the Preacher, my child :-)


http://s199.photobucket.com/albums/a...lla%20Essence/


:-)


That was back in January, or February.




--
Peter Lucas
Brisbane
Australia

"People are more violently opposed to fur than leather because it is
safer to harrass rich women than motorcycle gangs."

PeterL wrote on Mon, 15 Dec 2008 15:10:25 +0000 (UTC):

>> IMHO Vanilla extract is too easy to make at home. There is no
>> reason
> to
>> purchase Mexican VE that does, indeed, have Coumarin in it.
>> I've
> heard
>> tho' that the danger is over-rated but I'm not chancing it.
>>
>> Take a bottle of Vodka or everclear, place the vanilla beans
>> in it and let it sit for about 6 months. How long will it
>> take you to use up 750mls. of Vanilla extract for pity sakes?
>>
>> That'll last me about 10 years.

> You're preaching to the Preacher, my child :-)

> http://s199.photobucket.com/albums/a...lla%20Essence/

> :-)

> That was back in January, or February.

I prefer the method of putting a vanilla bean in a jar of sugar. I don't
know any savory recipes involving vanilla tho I must admit that I've
never checked.

--

James Silverton
Potomac, Maryland

Email, with obvious alterations: not.jim.silverton.at.verizon.not

"James Silverton" > wrote in news:gFu1l.2000
:


>
>> You're preaching to the Preacher, my child :-)
>
>> http://s199.photobucket.com/albums/a...lla%20Essence/
>
>> :-)
>
>> That was back in January, or February.
>
> I prefer the method of putting a vanilla bean in a jar of sugar. I don't
> know any savory recipes involving vanilla tho I must admit that I've
> never checked.
>



Did that too.



--
Peter Lucas
Brisbane
Australia

"People are more violently opposed to fur than leather because it is safer
to harrass rich women than motorcycle gangs."

In article >,
PeterL > wrote:

> Omelet > wrote in newsmpomelet-
> :
>
>
> >
> > IMHO Vanilla extract is too easy to make at home. There is no reason
> to
> > purchase Mexican VE that does, indeed, have Coumarin in it. I've
> heard
> > tho' that the danger is over-rated but I'm not chancing it.
> >
> > Take a bottle of Vodka or everclear, place the vanilla beans in it and
> > let it sit for about 6 months. How long will it take you to use up
> > 750mls. of Vanilla extract for pity sakes?
> >
> > That'll last me about 10 years.
>
>
>
> You're preaching to the Preacher, my child :-)
>
>
> http://s199.photobucket.com/albums/a...lla%20Essence/
>
Looks like it turned out nice and rich.
I don't use more than a dozen beans at most for 750 mls.

>
> :-)
>
>
> That was back in January, or February.

Mom taught me. <g>

Alcohol extraction is also good for a lot of other things!
--
Peace! Om

"Love and compassion are necessities, not luxuries. Without them humanity cannot survive." -- Dalai Lama

Isn't the vanilla topic worth a new thread? I buy it in Mexico because they
sell bottles of it very cheaply. You can get a liter size bottle of it there
for a few dollars. Vanilla must be a food staple in Mexico.

I'm using Molina brand vanilla, and it's got very ordinary ingredients (no
Coumarin).

--
http://cashcuddler.com

"Thrift is sexy."





"PeterL" > wrote in message
. 25...
> Omelet > wrote in newsmpomelet-
> :
>
>
>>
>> IMHO Vanilla extract is too easy to make at home. There is no reason
> to
>> purchase Mexican VE that does, indeed, have Coumarin in it. I've
> heard
>> tho' that the danger is over-rated but I'm not chancing it.
>>
>> Take a bottle of Vodka or everclear, place the vanilla beans in it and
>> let it sit for about 6 months. How long will it take you to use up
>> 750mls. of Vanilla extract for pity sakes?
>>
>> That'll last me about 10 years.
>
>
>
> You're preaching to the Preacher, my child :-)
>
>
> http://s199.photobucket.com/albums/a...lla%20Essence/
>
>
> :-)
>
>
> That was back in January, or February.
>
>
>
>
> --
> Peter Lucas
> Brisbane
> Australia
>
> "People are more violently opposed to fur than leather because it is
> safer to harrass rich women than motorcycle gangs."

In article >,
"Macuser" > wrote:

> Isn't the vanilla topic worth a new thread?

So why didn't you change your subject header silly? :-)

> I buy it in Mexico because they
> sell bottles of it very cheaply. You can get a liter size bottle of it there
> for a few dollars. Vanilla must be a food staple in Mexico.
>
> I'm using Molina brand vanilla, and it's got very ordinary ingredients (no
> Coumarin).
>
> --
> http://cashcuddler.com
>
> "Thrift is sexy."
>
>
>
>
>
> "PeterL" > wrote in message
> . 25...
> > Omelet > wrote in newsmpomelet-
> > :
> >
> >
> >>
> >> IMHO Vanilla extract is too easy to make at home. There is no reason
> > to
> >> purchase Mexican VE that does, indeed, have Coumarin in it. I've
> > heard
> >> tho' that the danger is over-rated but I'm not chancing it.
> >>
> >> Take a bottle of Vodka or everclear, place the vanilla beans in it and
> >> let it sit for about 6 months. How long will it take you to use up
> >> 750mls. of Vanilla extract for pity sakes?
> >>
> >> That'll last me about 10 years.
> >
> >
> >
> > You're preaching to the Preacher, my child :-)
> >
> >
> > http://s199.photobucket.com/albums/a...lla%20Essence/
> >
> >
> > :-)
> >
> >
> > That was back in January, or February.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Peter Lucas
> > Brisbane
> > Australia
> >
> > "People are more violently opposed to fur than leather because it is
> > safer to harrass rich women than motorcycle gangs."
--
Peace! Om

"Love and compassion are necessities, not luxuries. Without them humanity cannot survive." -- Dalai Lama

Omelet wrote:
> In article >,
> "Macuser" > wrote:
>
>> Isn't the vanilla topic worth a new thread?

>
>> I buy it in Mexico because they
>> sell bottles of it very cheaply. You can get a liter size bottle of it there
>> for a few dollars. Vanilla must be a food staple in Mexico.
>>
>> I'm using Molina brand vanilla, and it's got very ordinary ingredients (no
>> Coumarin).
>>
>> --
>> http://cashcuddler.com
>>
>> "Thrift is sexy."


Coumarin is like melamine--if they put it in something don't expect them
to ADMIT it!

gloria p

In article >,
Gloria P > wrote:

> Omelet wrote:
> > In article >,
> > "Macuser" > wrote:
> >
> >> Isn't the vanilla topic worth a new thread?
>
> >
> >> I buy it in Mexico because they
> >> sell bottles of it very cheaply. You can get a liter size bottle of it
> >> there
> >> for a few dollars. Vanilla must be a food staple in Mexico.
> >>
> >> I'm using Molina brand vanilla, and it's got very ordinary ingredients (no
> >> Coumarin).
> >>
> >> --
> >> http://cashcuddler.com
> >>
> >> "Thrift is sexy."
>
>
> Coumarin is like melamine--if they put it in something don't expect them
> to ADMIT it!
>
> gloria p

Wrong attribution. ;-) I make my own vanilla extract. I don't buy it
pre-made.

Vanilla beans are not THAT expensive and a 750 ml. bottle of Vanilla
extract lasts me for years. I don't do a lot of sweets or baking.
--
Peace! Om

"Love and compassion are necessities, not luxuries. Without them humanity cannot survive." -- Dalai Lama

Gloria P wrote:
>
> Omelet wrote:
> > In article >,
> > "Macuser" > wrote:
> >
> >> Isn't the vanilla topic worth a new thread?
>
> >
> >> I buy it in Mexico because they
> >> sell bottles of it very cheaply. You can get a liter size bottle of it there
> >> for a few dollars. Vanilla must be a food staple in Mexico.
> >>
> >> I'm using Molina brand vanilla, and it's got very ordinary ingredients (no
> >> Coumarin).
> >>
> >> --
> >> http://cashcuddler.com
> >>
> >> "Thrift is sexy."
>
> Coumarin is like melamine--if they put it in something don't expect them
> to ADMIT it!

No, it is not at all like melamine.

Melamine is a chemical used in the manufacture of plastics, that has
been added to some food products in order to fool tests for protein
content.

Coumarin is not a standalone chemical and as such would never appear on
an ingredient label. Some imitation vanilla flavor is made from tonka
beans and contains notable amounts of coumarin. It is the mislabeling of
this imitation vanilla that is the issue.

Interestingly it seems that cinnamon contains a notable amount of
coumarin, yet it is not banned, while the imitation vanilla from tonka
beans which contain coumarin is. This seems like it could be a case of
selective banning based on economic interests rather than true safety
interests.

Safety wise, in either the case of cinnamon or the imitation vanilla, it
seems that given that the products are intermittently consumed
flavorings, not foods themselves, the dosages are really low and
unlikely to pose any significant health risk.

Omelet > wrote in
news
> In article >,
> PeterL > wrote:
>
>> Omelet > wrote in newsmpomelet-
>> :
>>
>>
>> >
>> > IMHO Vanilla extract is too easy to make at home. There is no
>> > reason
>> to
>> > purchase Mexican VE that does, indeed, have Coumarin in it. I've
>> heard
>> > tho' that the danger is over-rated but I'm not chancing it.
>> >
>> > Take a bottle of Vodka or everclear, place the vanilla beans in it
>> > and let it sit for about 6 months. How long will it take you to
>> > use up 750mls. of Vanilla extract for pity sakes?
>> >
>> > That'll last me about 10 years.
>>
>>
>>
>> You're preaching to the Preacher, my child :-)
>>
>>
>> http://s199.photobucket.com/albums/a..._2007/Vanilla%
20Essence
>> /
>>
> Looks like it turned out nice and rich.
> I don't use more than a dozen beans at most for 750 mls.


I'll have to take some pics of it as it is now, and post them with the
rest.

I can't remember how many beans I used....... probably about a dozen.


>
>>
>> :-)
>>
>>
>> That was back in January, or February.
>
> Mom taught me. <g>
>
> Alcohol extraction is also good for a lot of other things!



Do tell :-)



--
Peter Lucas
Brisbane
Australia

"People are more violently opposed to fur than leather because it is
safer to harrass rich women than motorcycle gangs."