On Thu, 09 Oct 2008 11:48:01 -0500, "Pete C." >
wrote:

>
>larry wrote:
>>
>> James wrote:
>> > How much would the raw chicken cost you at regular supermarket
>> > prices? At sale prices? Assume you cook regularly and have all the
>> > other stuff necessary for fried chicken so their cost is minor.
>>
>> Healthwise, you would do much better to bake or roast your
>> chicken for better flavor, reduced fat and carbs.
>>
>> We pay a high price for our highly processed food in the
>> name of saving time and a few cents.
>>
>> -- larry/dallas
>
>You do realize that KFC chicken is not a highly processed food don't
>you? It's seasoned and breaded pressure fried chicken. The only real
>difference between KFC and home fried chicken is the expensive pressure
>fryer.

What about the sides?

Lou

On Thu, 9 Oct 2008 14:43:52 -0700 (PDT), James >
wrote:

>I'll just assume no one who answered ever fried enough chicken to know
>how much it would cost them to make the equivalent amount of KFC
>chicken. Guess those of you who cook never compared compared the cost.

Maybe those who cook know that the size of the chicken pieces make
this an impossible question to give an accurate answer. I could
probably eat 5 pieces of KFC chicken but when I make it I'm lucky to
be able to finish one breast.

Lou

"Pete C." > wrote in message
ster.com...
>
> Lou Decruss wrote:
>>
>> On Thu, 09 Oct 2008 11:48:01 -0500, "Pete C." >
>> wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >larry wrote:
>> >>
>> >> James wrote:
>> >> > How much would the raw chicken cost you at regular supermarket
>> >> > prices? At sale prices? Assume you cook regularly and have all the
>> >> > other stuff necessary for fried chicken so their cost is minor.
>> >>
>> >> Healthwise, you would do much better to bake or roast your
>> >> chicken for better flavor, reduced fat and carbs.
>> >>
>> >> We pay a high price for our highly processed food in the
>> >> name of saving time and a few cents.
>> >>
>> >> -- larry/dallas
>> >
>> >You do realize that KFC chicken is not a highly processed food don't
>> >you? It's seasoned and breaded pressure fried chicken. The only real
>> >difference between KFC and home fried chicken is the expensive pressure
>> >fryer.
>>
>> What about the sides?
>>
>> Lou
>
> Mashed potatoes? Cole Slaw? I can't imagine they're processed much more
> than the home versions would be.

What is it with you and KFC? If you enjoy this shit, then fine, but it is
not healthy food.

On Thu, 9 Oct 2008, clams_casino wrote:

> Siskuwihane wrote:
>
>> On Oct 9, 2:47 am, larry > wrote:
>>
>>> James wrote:
>>>
>>>> How much would the raw chicken cost you at regular supermarket
>>>> prices? At sale prices? Assume you cook regularly and have all the
>>>> other stuff necessary for fried chicken so their cost is minor.
>>>>
>>> Healthwise, you would do much better to bake or roast your
>>> chicken for better flavor, reduced fat and carbs.
>>>
>>
>> That's not the question being asked.
>>
>>
>>
>>> We pay a high price for our highly processed food in the
>>> name of saving time and a few cents.
>>>
>>
>> Yes, we know.
>>
>> Some of us also like KFC every now and then and do not need preached
>> to everytime a question about fast food is brought up.
>>
>> Would you like to be told about veganism or the cruelty of poultry
>> processing plants every time you mention roasting chicken? How buying
>> chicken supports illegal aliens working in the plants? Probably not.
>>
>
> KFC quality is so erratic, it's a rarity that I'd consider them. For a
> while, Popeyes was a preferred source, but their quality seems to have
> slipped in recent years.
>
> Perhaps that's best as I rarely consider fried chicken any more.

I used to get the jones for KFC and the last time I got it I was looking
so forward to eating it but when I took my first bite I thought,
"this just might be rat meat". I mean, I had a piece that resembled
no part of a chicken I was acquainted with.

On Thu, 9 Oct 2008, kilikini wrote:

> James wrote:
>> I'll just assume no one who answered ever fried enough chicken to know
>> how much it would cost them to make the equivalent amount of KFC
>> chicken. Guess those of you who cook never compared compared the
>> cost.
>
> Okay, I'll bite. We can get a 10 pound bag of chicken leg quarters for
> about $5 at "the dreaded meat store". Cut up the quarters (free). Cornmeal
> mix is $1.39 for an entire bag, which only a fraction is used. Garlic, salt
> & pepper is negligible. Oil? I'd say $1's worth.
>
> Since there is only two of us and I don't usually eat chicken anyway, we
> obviously don't use up the whole 10 pounds of chicken.
>
> I'd say homemade fried chicken is cheaper (and better!) than KFC.
>

You have only legs which most people don't prefer. You don't figure
in the time you take to cook it or clean up the mess. You still probably
come out ahead. When's dinner?

On Oct 9, 11:41*pm, Zuke > wrote:
> On Thu, 9 Oct 2008, kilikini wrote:
> > James wrote:
> >> I'll just assume no one who answered ever fried enough chicken to know
> >> how much it would cost them to make the equivalent amount of KFC
> >> chicken. *Guess those of you who cook never compared compared the
> >> cost.
>
> > Okay, I'll bite. *We can get a 10 pound bag of chicken leg quarters for
> > about $5 at "the dreaded meat store". *Cut up the quarters (free). *Cornmeal
> > mix is $1.39 for an entire bag, which only a fraction is used. *Garlic, salt
> > & pepper is negligible. *Oil? *I'd say $1's worth.
>
> > Since there is only two of us and I don't usually eat chicken anyway, we
> > obviously don't use up the whole 10 pounds of chicken.


>
> > I'd say homemade fried chicken is cheaper (and better!) than KFC.
>
> You have only legs which most people don't prefer. *You don't figure
> in the time you take to cook it or clean up the mess. You still probably
> come out ahead. When's dinner?- Hide quoted text -
>
I prefer dark meat because it has more fat. White meat is a little
dry for me.

Supermarket cooked chicken really smells good but I've never ate one
that I liked.

cybercat wrote:
>
> "Pete C." > wrote in message
> ster.com...
> >
> > Lou Decruss wrote:
> >>
> >> On Thu, 09 Oct 2008 11:48:01 -0500, "Pete C." >
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> >
> >> >larry wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> James wrote:
> >> >> > How much would the raw chicken cost you at regular supermarket
> >> >> > prices? At sale prices? Assume you cook regularly and have all the
> >> >> > other stuff necessary for fried chicken so their cost is minor.
> >> >>
> >> >> Healthwise, you would do much better to bake or roast your
> >> >> chicken for better flavor, reduced fat and carbs.
> >> >>
> >> >> We pay a high price for our highly processed food in the
> >> >> name of saving time and a few cents.
> >> >>
> >> >> -- larry/dallas
> >> >
> >> >You do realize that KFC chicken is not a highly processed food don't
> >> >you? It's seasoned and breaded pressure fried chicken. The only real
> >> >difference between KFC and home fried chicken is the expensive pressure
> >> >fryer.
> >>
> >> What about the sides?
> >>
> >> Lou
> >
> > Mashed potatoes? Cole Slaw? I can't imagine they're processed much more
> > than the home versions would be.
>
> What is it with you and KFC? If you enjoy this shit, then fine, but it is
> not healthy food.

I'm simply noting that KFC is not "highly processed food". It may not be
the healthiest choice for food, but it shouldn't be slandered with
untrue claims like that.

As for the healthy part, the issues are moderately high fat and high
salt, which is not unhealthy unless a person's diet as a whole is
consistently that way. It's not like it's full of trans fats,
preservatives, sugar, etc. like true "highly processed foods" are.

Pete C. wrote:
> kilikini wrote:
>>
>> It *is* the waste of oil that kills us, too! Fried chicken works in
>> a skillet, though. It really does. You've just got to go lower
>> heat so it cooks more evenly. Be patient and be prepared to stand
>> up in front of the stove for quite a bit. A glass of wine helps.
>> :~)
>>
>> kili
>
> You could invest in a real commercial deep fryer with continuous
> filtration... I expect Ms. fried everything Deen probably has one at
> home... Wonder if she's tried fried butter yet? Ought to be able to do
> that the same as fried ice cream...

Fried butter - on a stick! That would be some fun Fair food. :-/

I have had fried ice cream in restaurants and I have made it at home, it's
really good! Pretty simple to prepare, too, as long as you can find or make
decent ice cream.

kili

Sqwertz wrote:
> James wrote:
>
>> How much would the raw chicken cost you at regular supermarket
>> prices? At sale prices?
>
> I didn't know raw chicken comes in buckets.
>
> Maybe you should tell us how much the raw chicken weighs.
> or send us all a free bucket of chicken.
>
> You're probably the only on here who knows WTF you're talking about.
>
> -sw

Likely this question is because of the stupid but likely effective
commercial where they show a family hopelessly fumbling around a store
doing the tedious and highly challenging buying of actual ingredients
for fried chicken. They quickly add up the flour and spices (but forget
to point out that the bag of flour and jars of spices are sufficient to
make that batch and a lot more batches and they declare kfc the winner
in cost.

On Oct 8, 8:54*pm, James > wrote:
> How much would the raw chicken cost you at regular supermarket
> prices? *At sale prices? *Assume you cook regularly and have all the
> other stuff necessary for fried chicken so their cost is minor.

I tend to roll my eyes at that commercial. Yes, if you had to buy all
the ingredients from scratch i.e. bag of flour, spices, baking
powder, bottle of oil, chicken, cabbage, carrots, potatoes, coleslaw
dressing (bottled or ingredients) corn cobs, it likely would exceed
$10. The same is true for most other fast foods. The other part of
that commercial says you can't do it because you wouldn't know what to
buy for the 11 secret spices.

On Thu, 09 Oct 2008 18:27:56 -0500, Lou Decruss wrote:

> On Thu, 09 Oct 2008 11:48:01 -0500, "Pete C." >
> wrote:
>
>>
>>You do realize that KFC chicken is not a highly processed food don't
>>you? It's seasoned and breaded pressure fried chicken. The only real
>>difference between KFC and home fried chicken is the expensive pressure
>>fryer.
>
> What about the sides?
>
> Lou

i think the sides are pressure-fried along with the tops and bottoms.

your pal,
blake

"blake murphy" > wrote in message
...
> On Thu, 09 Oct 2008 18:27:56 -0500, Lou Decruss wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 09 Oct 2008 11:48:01 -0500, "Pete C." >
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>You do realize that KFC chicken is not a highly processed food don't
>>>you? It's seasoned and breaded pressure fried chicken. The only real
>>>difference between KFC and home fried chicken is the expensive pressure
>>>fryer.
>>
>> What about the sides?
>>
>> Lou
>
> i think the sides are pressure-fried along with the tops and bottoms.
>
> your pal,
> blake

<cackle> Oh damn, that's a good one.

Ms p

"James" > wrote in message
...
> How much would the raw chicken cost you at regular supermarket
> prices? At sale prices? Assume you cook regularly and have all the
> other stuff necessary for fried chicken so their cost is minor.

It's Bullshit ad on TV.

It's like saying to buy a gallon of gas you need to buy a Porsche.

DUH.

Dimitri

In article .com>,
"Pete C." > wrote:

> larry wrote:

> > We pay a high price for our highly processed food in the
> > name of saving time and a few cents.

> You do realize that KFC chicken is not a highly processed food don't
> you? It's seasoned and breaded pressure fried chicken. The only real
> difference between KFC and home fried chicken is the expensive pressure
> fryer.

Of course, even if it isn't highly processed, I doubt that most home
fried chicken has the same list of seasonings:

http://www.kfc.com/nutrition/pdf/kfc_ingredients.pdf

As of May 2007

Original Recipe Chicken
Fresh Chicken Marinated with: Salt, Sodium Phosphate and Monosodium
Glutamate Breaded with: Wheat
Flour, Sodium Chloride and Anti-caking agent (Tricalcium Phosphate),
Nonfat Milk, Egg Whites, Colonel's
Secret Original Recipe Seasoning.
Contains Milk, Wheat, Egg

Extra Crispy Chicken
Fresh Chicken Marinated with: Salt, Sodium Phosphate and Monosodium
Glutamate. Breaded with: Wheat
Flour, Salt, Spices, Monosodium Glutamate, Corn Starch, Leavening
(Sodium Bicarbonate), Garlic Powder,
Natural Flavorings, Citric Acid, Maltodextrin, Sugar, Corn Syrup Solids,
With Not More Than 2% Calcium

Silicate Added As An Anti Caking Agent.
Contains Wheat and Soy.

OR

Fresh Chicken Marinated with: Salt, Sodium Phosphate and Monosodium
Glutamate. Breaded with Wheat
Flour, Salt, Spices, Monosodium Glutamate, Sodium Bicarbonate, Citric
Acid, Garlic Powder, Partially
Hydrogenated Soybean And Cottonseed Oil, Calcium Silicate (As Anitcaking
Agent), Modified Corn Starch,
Gum Arabic, Natural Flavor, Extractives Of Turmeric, And Extractives of
Annatto.
Contains Wheat and Soy.
*Will contain one of the two Ingredient statements above, depending upon
regional suppliers

--
Dan Abel
Petaluma, California USA

Dan Abel wrote:
>
> In article .com>,
> "Pete C." > wrote:
>
> > larry wrote:
>
> > > We pay a high price for our highly processed food in the
> > > name of saving time and a few cents.
>
> > You do realize that KFC chicken is not a highly processed food don't
> > you? It's seasoned and breaded pressure fried chicken. The only real
> > difference between KFC and home fried chicken is the expensive pressure
> > fryer.
>
> Of course, even if it isn't highly processed, I doubt that most home
> fried chicken has the same list of seasonings:
>
> http://www.kfc.com/nutrition/pdf/kfc_ingredients.pdf
>
> As of May 2007
>
> Original Recipe Chicken
> Fresh Chicken Marinated with: Salt, Sodium Phosphate and Monosodium
> Glutamate Breaded with: Wheat
> Flour, Sodium Chloride and Anti-caking agent (Tricalcium Phosphate),
> Nonfat Milk, Egg Whites, Colonel's
> Secret Original Recipe Seasoning.
> Contains Milk, Wheat, Egg
>
> Extra Crispy Chicken
> Fresh Chicken Marinated with: Salt, Sodium Phosphate and Monosodium
> Glutamate. Breaded with: Wheat
> Flour, Salt, Spices, Monosodium Glutamate, Corn Starch, Leavening
> (Sodium Bicarbonate), Garlic Powder,
> Natural Flavorings, Citric Acid, Maltodextrin, Sugar, Corn Syrup Solids,
> With Not More Than 2% Calcium
>
> Silicate Added As An Anti Caking Agent.
> Contains Wheat and Soy.
>
> OR
>
> Fresh Chicken Marinated with: Salt, Sodium Phosphate and Monosodium
> Glutamate. Breaded with Wheat
> Flour, Salt, Spices, Monosodium Glutamate, Sodium Bicarbonate, Citric
> Acid, Garlic Powder, Partially
> Hydrogenated Soybean And Cottonseed Oil, Calcium Silicate (As Anitcaking
> Agent), Modified Corn Starch,
> Gum Arabic, Natural Flavor, Extractives Of Turmeric, And Extractives of
> Annatto.
> Contains Wheat and Soy.
> *Will contain one of the two Ingredient statements above, depending upon
> regional suppliers
>
> --
> Dan Abel
> Petaluma, California USA
>

What exactly do you see in those lists that is so shocking?

Monosodium Glutamate? You do realize that a lot of home cooks use MSG
and there is absolutely nothing wrong with it unless you are one of the
couple percent of people sensitive to it?

Sodium bicarbonate? A.k.a. baking soda, a leavening agent.

Sodium phosphate? Another leavening agent.

Sodium chloride? A.k.a. table salt.

Maltodextrin? A thickener not unlike the corn start in one of the lists.

Gum Arabic? Another thickener.

Calcium silicate? An anti caking agent (common in a lot of the
ingredients in a home kitchen).

Tricalcium phosphate? Another anti caking agent (common in a lot of the
ingredients in a home kitchen).

Vegetable shortening? Corn syrup solids?

Again, nothing shocking, and most readily found in home kitchens.

In article >,
Lou Decruss > wrote:

> On Thu, 09 Oct 2008 11:48:01 -0500, "Pete C." >
> wrote:
>
> >
> >larry wrote:
> >>
> >> James wrote:
> >> > How much would the raw chicken cost you at regular supermarket
> >> > prices? At sale prices? Assume you cook regularly and have all the
> >> > other stuff necessary for fried chicken so their cost is minor.
> >>
> >> Healthwise, you would do much better to bake or roast your
> >> chicken for better flavor, reduced fat and carbs.
> >>
> >> We pay a high price for our highly processed food in the
> >> name of saving time and a few cents.
> >>
> >> -- larry/dallas
> >
> >You do realize that KFC chicken is not a highly processed food don't
> >you? It's seasoned and breaded pressure fried chicken. The only real
> >difference between KFC and home fried chicken is the expensive pressure
> >fryer.
>
> What about the sides?

Here are all the ingredients for everything:

http://www.kfc.com/nutrition/pdf/kfc_ingredients.pdf

Here is just the cole slaw:

Cole Slaw

Vegetables: Chopped Cabbage, Carrots, and Onions. Sauce: Sugar, Soybean
Oil, Vinegar (Distilled
Vinegar, Corn and Cider Vinegar, Malt Vinegar, And Natural Flavors),
Water, Salt, Whole Eggs, Modified
Corn Starch, Mustard Flour, Xanthan Gum, Natural and Artificial Flavor,
Paprika Extractives, Paprika, And
Caramel Color.
Contains: Egg

Note that the first ingredient for the sauce is sugar.

Here is the nutrition for everything:

http://www.yum.com/nutrition/documen..._nutrition.pdf

Here is my selected information just for the cole slaw.

Cole Slaw 130 18

The cut and paste was totally unreadable. The first number is serving
size in grams. The second number above is sugars in grams. The actual
chart in the above URL has 12 numeric columns.

--
Dan Abel
Petaluma, California USA

In article .com>,
"Pete C." > wrote:


> I'm simply noting that KFC is not "highly processed food". It may not be
> the healthiest choice for food, but it shouldn't be slandered with
> untrue claims like that.
>
> As for the healthy part, the issues are moderately high fat and high
> salt, which is not unhealthy unless a person's diet as a whole is
> consistently that way. It's not like it's full of trans fats,
> preservatives, sugar, etc. like true "highly processed foods" are.

The cole slaw, which I eat, but is my least favorite cole slaw ever, is
15% sugar by weight.

--
Dan Abel
Petaluma, California USA

"Dan Abel" > wrote in message
...
> In article .com>,
> "Pete C." > wrote:
>
>
>> I'm simply noting that KFC is not "highly processed food". It may not be
>> the healthiest choice for food, but it shouldn't be slandered with
>> untrue claims like that.
>>
>> As for the healthy part, the issues are moderately high fat and high
>> salt, which is not unhealthy unless a person's diet as a whole is
>> consistently that way. It's not like it's full of trans fats,
>> preservatives, sugar, etc. like true "highly processed foods" are.
>
> The cole slaw, which I eat, but is my least favorite cole slaw ever, is
> 15% sugar by weight.
>

Why the **** would you eat it? Jesus.

"Dan Abel" > wrote in message
...
> In article >,
> Lou Decruss > wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 09 Oct 2008 11:48:01 -0500, "Pete C." >
>> wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >larry wrote:
>> >>
>> >> James wrote:
>> >> > How much would the raw chicken cost you at regular supermarket
>> >> > prices? At sale prices? Assume you cook regularly and have all the
>> >> > other stuff necessary for fried chicken so their cost is minor.
>> >>
>> >> Healthwise, you would do much better to bake or roast your
>> >> chicken for better flavor, reduced fat and carbs.
>> >>
>> >> We pay a high price for our highly processed food in the
>> >> name of saving time and a few cents.
>> >>
>> >> -- larry/dallas
>> >
>> >You do realize that KFC chicken is not a highly processed food don't
>> >you? It's seasoned and breaded pressure fried chicken. The only real
>> >difference between KFC and home fried chicken is the expensive pressure
>> >fryer.
>>
>> What about the sides?
>
> Here are all the ingredients for everything:
>
> http://www.kfc.com/nutrition/pdf/kfc_ingredients.pdf
>
> Here is just the cole slaw:
>
> Cole Slaw
>
> Vegetables: Chopped Cabbage, Carrots, and Onions. Sauce: Sugar, Soybean
> Oil, Vinegar (Distilled
> Vinegar, Corn and Cider Vinegar, Malt Vinegar, And Natural Flavors),
> Water, Salt, Whole Eggs, Modified
> Corn Starch, Mustard Flour, Xanthan Gum, Natural and Artificial Flavor,
> Paprika Extractives, Paprika, And
> Caramel Color.
> Contains: Egg
>
> Note that the first ingredient for the sauce is sugar.
>
> Here is the nutrition for everything:
>
> http://www.yum.com/nutrition/documen..._nutrition.pdf
>
> Here is my selected information just for the cole slaw.
>
> Cole Slaw 130 18
>
> The cut and paste was totally unreadable. The first number is serving
> size in grams. The second number above is sugars in grams. The actual
> chart in the above URL has 12 numeric columns.
>

Okay. Buh bye, dimwit!

cybercat wrote:

> "Dan Abel" > wrote in message
> ...
> > In article .com>,
> > "Pete C." > wrote:
> >
> >
> >> I'm simply noting that KFC is not "highly processed food". It may not
be
> >> the healthiest choice for food, but it shouldn't be slandered with
> >> untrue claims like that.
> >>
> >> As for the healthy part, the issues are moderately high fat and high
> >> salt, which is not unhealthy unless a person's diet as a whole is
> >> consistently that way. It's not like it's full of trans fats,
> >> preservatives, sugar, etc. like true "highly processed foods" are.
> >
> > The cole slaw, which I eat, but is my least favorite cole slaw ever, is
> > 15% sugar by weight.
> >
>
> Why the **** would you eat it? Jesus.


Didn't you LOUDLY proclaim to all of us the other day that you had k'filed
Dan...???


--
Best
Greg

" I find Greg Morrow lowbrow, witless, and obnoxious. For him to claim that
we are some
kind of comedy team turns my stomach."
- "cybercat" to me on rec.food.cooking

cybercat wrote:

> "Dan Abel" > wrote in message
> ...
> > In article >,
> > Lou Decruss > wrote:
> >
> >> On Thu, 09 Oct 2008 11:48:01 -0500, "Pete C." >
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> >
> >> >larry wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> James wrote:
> >> >> > How much would the raw chicken cost you at regular supermarket
> >> >> > prices? At sale prices? Assume you cook regularly and have all
the
> >> >> > other stuff necessary for fried chicken so their cost is minor.
> >> >>
> >> >> Healthwise, you would do much better to bake or roast your
> >> >> chicken for better flavor, reduced fat and carbs.
> >> >>
> >> >> We pay a high price for our highly processed food in the
> >> >> name of saving time and a few cents.
> >> >>
> >> >> -- larry/dallas
> >> >
> >> >You do realize that KFC chicken is not a highly processed food don't
> >> >you? It's seasoned and breaded pressure fried chicken. The only real
> >> >difference between KFC and home fried chicken is the expensive
pressure
> >> >fryer.
> >>
> >> What about the sides?
> >
> > Here are all the ingredients for everything:
> >
> > http://www.kfc.com/nutrition/pdf/kfc_ingredients.pdf
> >
> > Here is just the cole slaw:
> >
> > Cole Slaw
> >
> > Vegetables: Chopped Cabbage, Carrots, and Onions. Sauce: Sugar, Soybean
> > Oil, Vinegar (Distilled
> > Vinegar, Corn and Cider Vinegar, Malt Vinegar, And Natural Flavors),
> > Water, Salt, Whole Eggs, Modified
> > Corn Starch, Mustard Flour, Xanthan Gum, Natural and Artificial Flavor,
> > Paprika Extractives, Paprika, And
> > Caramel Color.
> > Contains: Egg
> >
> > Note that the first ingredient for the sauce is sugar.
> >
> > Here is the nutrition for everything:
> >
> > http://www.yum.com/nutrition/documen..._nutrition.pdf
> >
> > Here is my selected information just for the cole slaw.
> >
> > Cole Slaw 130 18
> >
> > The cut and paste was totally unreadable. The first number is serving
> > size in grams. The second number above is sugars in grams. The actual
> > chart in the above URL has 12 numeric columns.
> >
>
> Okay. Buh bye, dimwit!


Didn't you LOUDLY proclaim to all of us the other day that you had k'filed
Dan...???


--
Best
Greg

" I find Greg Morrow lowbrow, witless, and obnoxious. For him to claim that
we are some
kind of comedy team turns my stomach."
- "cybercat" to me on rec.food.cooking

Seerialmom wrote:
> On Oct 8, 8:54 pm, James > wrote:
>> How much would the raw chicken cost you at regular supermarket
>> prices? At sale prices? Assume you cook regularly and have all the
>> other stuff necessary for fried chicken so their cost is minor.
>
> I tend to roll my eyes at that commercial. Yes, if you had to buy all
> the ingredients from scratch i.e. bag of flour, spices, baking
> powder, bottle of oil, chicken, cabbage, carrots, potatoes, coleslaw
> dressing (bottled or ingredients) corn cobs, it likely would exceed
> $10. The same is true for most other fast foods. The other part of
> that commercial says you can't do it because you wouldn't know what to
> buy for the 11 secret spices.


Most people who actually cook at home already have ingredients like flour,
herbs, spices and oil in the pantry. That commercial specifically targets
people who don't have a clue or even basic supplies on hand. Sleight of
hand advertising.

Jill

jmcquown wrote:
> Seerialmom wrote:
>> On Oct 8, 8:54 pm, James > wrote:
>>> How much would the raw chicken cost you at regular supermarket
>>> prices? At sale prices? Assume you cook regularly and have all the
>>> other stuff necessary for fried chicken so their cost is minor.
>>
>> I tend to roll my eyes at that commercial. Yes, if you had to buy
>> all the ingredients from scratch i.e. bag of flour, spices, baking
>> powder, bottle of oil, chicken, cabbage, carrots, potatoes, coleslaw
>> dressing (bottled or ingredients) corn cobs, it likely would exceed
>> $10. The same is true for most other fast foods. The other part of
>> that commercial says you can't do it because you wouldn't know what
>> to buy for the 11 secret spices.
>
>
> Most people who actually cook at home already have ingredients like
> flour, herbs, spices and oil in the pantry. That commercial
> specifically targets people who don't have a clue or even basic
> supplies on hand. Sleight of hand advertising.
>
> Jill

THANK YOU! I just saw the ad last night and I thought the same thing.
Puh-lease.

kili

"kilikini" > wrote in message
...

> I'd say homemade fried chicken is cheaper (and better!) than KFC.

The default KFC chicken (crispy recipe) is actually less good than the
original, which you have to specifically ask for.

Even generic frozen fried chicken that is meant to be baked is pretty
decent, especially if each still-frozen piece is spritzed with some Pam or
the equivalent prior to baking.

The KFC folks claim there would be some "surprises" in the recipe. I'd take
it that it probably includes small amounts of sweet spices such as cinnamon
and ginger. With the capabilities of modern chemistry I'm surprised it
hasn't long been reverse engineered, but there may be so little of most of
the "herbs and spices" that they don't make a difference to the flavor.
"Imitation of famous name dishes KFC" recipes often have no more spices than
ordinary black pepper, and frankly that's the only spice I can identify by
taste in KFC.

HiTech RedNeck wrote:

>
> "kilikini" > wrote in message
> ...
>
>> I'd say homemade fried chicken is cheaper (and better!) than KFC.
>
> The default KFC chicken (crispy recipe) is actually less good than the
> original, which you have to specifically ask for.
>
> Even generic frozen fried chicken that is meant to be baked is pretty
> decent, especially if each still-frozen piece is spritzed with some Pam or
> the equivalent prior to baking.
>
> The KFC folks claim there would be some "surprises" in the recipe. I'd take
> it that it probably includes small amounts of sweet spices such as cinnamon
> and ginger. With the capabilities of modern chemistry I'm surprised it
> hasn't long been reverse engineered, but there may be so little of most of
> the "herbs and spices" that they don't make a difference to the flavor.
> "Imitation of famous name dishes KFC" recipes often have no more spices than
> ordinary black pepper, and frankly that's the only spice I can identify by
> taste in KFC.

I think they're talking about the insect parts and rodent hairs.


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James wrote:
> How much would the raw chicken cost you at regular supermarket
> prices? At sale prices? Assume you cook regularly and have all the
> other stuff necessary for fried chicken so their cost is minor.

whats a bucket consist of? one whole bird? .69 - .99/lb, figure about
3lb a bird.

On Oct 13, 11:11*pm, SoCalMike > wrote:
> James wrote:
> > How much would the raw chicken cost you at regular supermarket
> > prices? *At sale prices? *Assume you cook regularly and have all the
> > other stuff necessary for fried chicken so their cost is minor.
>
> whats a bucket consist of? one whole bird? .69 - .99/lb, figure about
> 3lb a bird.

Actually you only get 7 pieces (1 piece of breast, 2 wings, 2 legs, 2
thighs), mashed potatoes/gravy and 4 biscuits. So not quite a full
chicken there. Based on those ingredients it'd be very easy to make
the equivalent for under $9.99 and probably healthier by forgoing the
coating on the chicken.

On Oct 14, 12:36*pm, Seerialmom > wrote:

>
> Actually you only get 7 pieces (1 piece of breast, 2 wings, 2 legs, 2
> thighs), mashed potatoes/gravy and 4 biscuits. *So not quite a full
> chicken there. *Based on those ingredients it'd be very easy to make
> the equivalent for under $9.99 and probably healthier by forgoing the
> coating on the chicken.

"Seerialmom" > wrote in message news:
6045e512-74da-

>Actually you only get 7 pieces (1 piece of breast, 2 wings, 2 legs, 2
>thighs), mashed potatoes/gravy and 4 biscuits. So not quite a full
>chicken there. Based on those ingredients it'd be very easy to make
>the equivalent for under $9.99 and probably healthier by forgoing the
>coating on the chicken.

Agreed. We took the "$9.99 challenge" last weekend. We don't do grains
or
high-carb veggies, so there were some replacements. We ended up with
more
food for less money. We bought a whole chicken (4lbs) for $3.75 and
cooked
it in our toaster/rotisserie with some kosher salt, spices, and butter
for
$.25. We made some slaw from shredding fresh broccoli and cabbage and
added
chopped walnuts and some homemade dressing for $2. We made mashed
cauliflower with a cheese sauce for $2. That's dinner for four for $8.
We
also added homegrown apples free off the tree, but that's cheating.

James wrote:
> How much would the raw chicken cost you at regular supermarket
> prices? At sale prices? Assume you cook regularly and have all the
> other stuff necessary for fried chicken so their cost is minor.


How many pounds is that bucket?? Buy one, weigh it, inventory the
specific parts, then report back.

clams_casino wrote:
> Siskuwihane wrote:
>
>> On Oct 9, 2:47 am, larry > wrote:
>>
>>
>>> James wrote:
>>>
>>>> How much would the raw chicken cost you at regular supermarket
>>>> prices? At sale prices? Assume you cook regularly and have all the
>>>> other stuff necessary for fried chicken so their cost is minor.
>>>>
>>> Healthwise, you would do much better to bake or roast your
>>> chicken for better flavor, reduced fat and carbs.
>>>
>>
>> That's not the question being asked.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> We pay a high price for our highly processed food in the
>>> name of saving time and a few cents.
>>>
>>
>> Yes, we know.
>>
>> Some of us also like KFC every now and then and do not need preached
>> to everytime a question about fast food is brought up.
>>
>> Would you like to be told about veganism or the cruelty of poultry
>> processing plants every time you mention roasting chicken? How buying
>> chicken supports illegal aliens working in the plants? Probably not.
>>
>>
> KFC quality is so erratic, it's a rarity that I'd consider them. For a
> while, Popeyes was a preferred source, but their quality seems to have
> slipped in recent years.

Think they've all slipped, even the grocery store chicken. I heard Tyson
has (or soon will have) a plant in China. Probably wouldn't want to see
what they're being fed over there, or which growth enhancers they're using.

Seerialmom wrote:
> On Oct 8, 8:54 pm, James > wrote:
>> How much would the raw chicken cost you at regular supermarket
>> prices? At sale prices? Assume you cook regularly and have all the
>> other stuff necessary for fried chicken so their cost is minor.
>
> I tend to roll my eyes at that commercial. Yes, if you had to buy all
> the ingredients from scratch i.e. bag of flour, spices, baking
> powder, bottle of oil, chicken, cabbage, carrots, potatoes, coleslaw
> dressing (bottled or ingredients) corn cobs, it likely would exceed
> $10. The same is true for most other fast foods. The other part of
> that commercial says you can't do it because you wouldn't know what to
> buy for the 11 secret spices.

My unnamed source, at Penn State...or did he say State Penn...??
claims this is it:


Colonel Sanders' Secret Herbs and Spices

1 tablespoon rosemary
1 tablespoon oregano leaves
1 tablespoon powdered sage
1 tablespoon powdered ginger
1 teaspoon marjoram
1 1/2 teaspoons thyme
3 tablespoons dry minced parsley
1 teaspoon pepper
1 tablespoon paprika
2 tablespoons garlic salt
2 tablespoons onion salt

3 tablespoons brown sugar, packed
2 tablespoons powdered chicken bouillon
1 package Lipton Tomato Cup-a-Soup mix


Place all ingredients in blender with on/off speed for 3 to 4 minutes to
pulverize, or rub through a fine strainer. Store in an airtight
container so it will not lose potency.

Makes about 3/4 cup.

To use with flour, add 1 ounce mix to 1 cup of flour for coating chicken.

Seerialmom wrote:
> On Oct 13, 11:11 pm, SoCalMike > wrote:
>> James wrote:
>>> How much would the raw chicken cost you at regular supermarket
>>> prices? At sale prices? Assume you cook regularly and have all the
>>> other stuff necessary for fried chicken so their cost is minor.
>> whats a bucket consist of? one whole bird? .69 - .99/lb, figure about
>> 3lb a bird.
>
> Actually you only get 7 pieces (1 piece of breast, 2 wings, 2 legs, 2
> thighs), mashed potatoes/gravy and 4 biscuits. So not quite a full
> chicken there. Based on those ingredients it'd be very easy to make
> the equivalent for under $9.99 and probably healthier by forgoing the
> coating on the chicken.

OIC....thanx.
Hard to believe....only 5 pieces , plus 2 scrawny wings.....
Rather get the whole cooked bird, about 3#, at the Kroger or Publix.

JonL > wrote in :

> Seerialmom wrote:
>> On Oct 8, 8:54 pm, James > wrote:
>>> How much would the raw chicken cost you at regular supermarket
>>> prices? At sale prices? Assume you cook regularly and have all the
>>> other stuff necessary for fried chicken so their cost is minor.
>>
>> I tend to roll my eyes at that commercial. Yes, if you had to buy all
>> the ingredients from scratch i.e. bag of flour, spices, baking
>> powder, bottle of oil, chicken, cabbage, carrots, potatoes, coleslaw
>> dressing (bottled or ingredients) corn cobs, it likely would exceed
>> $10. The same is true for most other fast foods. The other part of
>> that commercial says you can't do it because you wouldn't know what to
>> buy for the 11 secret spices.
>
> My unnamed source, at Penn State...or did he say State Penn...??
> claims this is it:
>
>
> Colonel Sanders' Secret Herbs and Spices
>
> 1 tablespoon rosemary
> 1 tablespoon oregano leaves
> 1 tablespoon powdered sage
> 1 tablespoon powdered ginger
> 1 teaspoon marjoram
> 1 1/2 teaspoons thyme
> 3 tablespoons dry minced parsley
> 1 teaspoon pepper
> 1 tablespoon paprika
> 2 tablespoons garlic salt
> 2 tablespoons onion salt
>
> 3 tablespoons brown sugar, packed
> 2 tablespoons powdered chicken bouillon
> 1 package Lipton Tomato Cup-a-Soup mix
>
>
> Place all ingredients in blender with on/off speed for 3 to 4 minutes to
> pulverize, or rub through a fine strainer. Store in an airtight
> container so it will not lose potency.
>
> Makes about 3/4 cup.
>
> To use with flour, add 1 ounce mix to 1 cup of flour for coating chicken.

I read once many years ago that The Colonel hinted that if you bought one
of those packets of Italian salad dressing mix (that you add to oil &
vinegar) you would have his "herbs and spices". That seems close to your
list.

Jeff wrote:
> JonL > wrote in :
>
>> Seerialmom wrote:
>>> On Oct 8, 8:54 pm, James > wrote:
>>>> How much would the raw chicken cost you at regular supermarket
>>>> prices? At sale prices? Assume you cook regularly and have all the
>>>> other stuff necessary for fried chicken so their cost is minor.
>>> I tend to roll my eyes at that commercial. Yes, if you had to buy all
>>> the ingredients from scratch i.e. bag of flour, spices, baking
>>> powder, bottle of oil, chicken, cabbage, carrots, potatoes, coleslaw
>>> dressing (bottled or ingredients) corn cobs, it likely would exceed
>>> $10. The same is true for most other fast foods. The other part of
>>> that commercial says you can't do it because you wouldn't know what to
>>> buy for the 11 secret spices.
>

There are some minor hidden costs..........you gotta have one of these
to duplicate KFC

http://www.kitchensupplydirect.com/559-FKMF.html

Len

On Wed, 15 Oct 2008 14:43:59 -0500, curly'q > wrote:

>Lou Decruss wrote:
>> On Wed, 15 Oct 2008 14:06:34 -0500, curly'q > wrote:
>>
>>> Jeff wrote:
>>>> JonL > wrote in :
>>>>
>>>>> Seerialmom wrote:
>>>>>> On Oct 8, 8:54 pm, James > wrote:
>>>>>>> How much would the raw chicken cost you at regular supermarket
>>>>>>> prices? At sale prices? Assume you cook regularly and have all the
>>>>>>> other stuff necessary for fried chicken so their cost is minor.
>>>>>> I tend to roll my eyes at that commercial. Yes, if you had to buy all
>>>>>> the ingredients from scratch i.e. bag of flour, spices, baking
>>>>>> powder, bottle of oil, chicken, cabbage, carrots, potatoes, coleslaw
>>>>>> dressing (bottled or ingredients) corn cobs, it likely would exceed
>>>>>> $10. The same is true for most other fast foods. The other part of
>>>>>> that commercial says you can't do it because you wouldn't know what to
>>>>>> buy for the 11 secret spices.
>>> There are some minor hidden costs..........you gotta have one of these
>>> to duplicate KFC
>>>
>>> http://www.kitchensupplydirect.com/559-FKMF.html
>>
>> I don't know why anyone would want to duplicate KFC but you sure can
>> make far better chicken with a turkey fryer for under a hundred bucks.
>>
>> Lou
>
>
>I love the stuff myself.....

I'm glad for you. I really mean that with no sarcasm.

>IMO, 'broasted' chicken is the ultimate
>preparation method for breaded chicken pieces in the 'southern fried' style.

Broasting has only been around since the early 50's and has nothing to
do with southern fried chicken. Allegedly KFC started pressure
cooking around 1940. Southern fried chicken is something dating back
to slavery days and was something almost exclusively prepared by black
women. They had no fancy equipment. The effect of chicken and the
pride of making it on the black culture still exists. If you walk
into a black church lady function and tell them you think KFC has a
good product you'll get laughed at or beat up. You can read more
about the history in a book called "building houses out of chicken
legs."

Here's some other info:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Broasted

http://www.kentuckyfriedchicken.com/about/history.asp

I'm not saying broasted chicken isn't good but KFC uses anemic birds
with so little meat it's pathetic.

>Don't you have to use a turkey fryer outdoors and use 5 or 6 gallons of oil?

Yes outdoors. But you can use a smaller pot and make 5-6 pieces at a
time and get away with about 2 quarts of oil. You sure don't need a
10,000 machine.

Lou

Lou Decruss wrote:
> On Wed, 15 Oct 2008 14:43:59 -0500, curly'q > wrote:
>
>> Lou Decruss wrote:
>>> On Wed, 15 Oct 2008 14:06:34 -0500, curly'q > wrote:
>>>
>>>> Jeff wrote:
>>>>> JonL > wrote in :
>>>>>
>>>>>> Seerialmom wrote:
>>>>>>> On Oct 8, 8:54 pm, James > wrote:
>>>>>>>> How much would the raw chicken cost you at regular supermarket
>>>>>>>> prices? At sale prices? Assume you cook regularly and have all the
>>>>>>>> other stuff necessary for fried chicken so their cost is minor.
>>>>>>> I tend to roll my eyes at that commercial. Yes, if you had to buy all
>>>>>>> the ingredients from scratch i.e. bag of flour, spices, baking
>>>>>>> powder, bottle of oil, chicken, cabbage, carrots, potatoes, coleslaw
>>>>>>> dressing (bottled or ingredients) corn cobs, it likely would exceed
>>>>>>> $10. The same is true for most other fast foods. The other part of
>>>>>>> that commercial says you can't do it because you wouldn't know what to
>>>>>>> buy for the 11 secret spices.
>>>> There are some minor hidden costs..........you gotta have one of these
>>>> to duplicate KFC
>>>>
>>>> http://www.kitchensupplydirect.com/559-FKMF.html
>>> I don't know why anyone would want to duplicate KFC but you sure can
>>> make far better chicken with a turkey fryer for under a hundred bucks.
>>>
>>> Lou
>>
>> I love the stuff myself.....
>
> I'm glad for you. I really mean that with no sarcasm.

You know, it's what you grow up with. I call it the 'Mom's Meatloaf
Syndrome' I've tasted friends mom's specialties and some of them were
pretty bad. All the while the family members around the table thought
they had died and went to heaven.

>
>> IMO, 'broasted' chicken is the ultimate
>> preparation method for breaded chicken pieces in the 'southern fried' style.
>
> Broasting has only been around since the early 50's and has nothing to
> do with southern fried chicken. Allegedly KFC started pressure
> cooking around 1940. Southern fried chicken is something dating back
> to slavery days and was something almost exclusively prepared by black
> women. They had no fancy equipment. The effect of chicken and the
> pride of making it on the black culture still exists. If you walk
> into a black church lady function and tell them you think KFC has a
> good product you'll get laughed at or beat up. You can read more
> about the history in a book called "building houses out of chicken
> legs."




I did say southern fried 'style'

IMHO, pressure fried chicken is a step above pan fried or deep fried....
church ladies notwithstanding . The technique uses less oil, makes for a
crisp, moister product and cooks significantly quicker.

I'm a big fan of pressure cookers in general. From a frugal standpoint,
it's one of the most efficient and economical way to prepare foods
especially marginal cuts of meat, beans, and the difficult to prepare
brown rice. And it's fast.


OBTW...I was joking about the 10k pressure cooker

Len

On Thu, 16 Oct 2008 08:23:07 -0500, curly'q > wrote:


>
>You know, it's what you grow up with. I call it the 'Mom's Meatloaf
>Syndrome' I've tasted friends mom's specialties and some of them were
>pretty bad. All the while the family members around the table thought
>they had died and went to heaven.
>
Never really thought about that. I'll keep it in mind when I get
starry-eyed about my wife's cooking.

--Vic

Vic Smith > wrote
> curly'q > wrote

>> You know, it's what you grow up with. I call it the 'Mom's Meatloaf
>> Syndrome' I've tasted friends mom's specialties and some of them were
>> pretty bad. All the while the family members around the table thought
>> they had died and went to heaven.

> Never really thought about that.

Yeah, he's spot on. I got the same effect when I was sick as a kid. For some reason
I wanted some pears and icecream after an operation and happened to be staying with
some relos who were into canning. Their canned pears were nothing like the commercial
product and I was quite dissapointed with the pears. I've since come to realise that the
home preserved product leave the commercial product for dead.

> I'll keep it in mind when I get starry-eyed about my wife's cooking.

Just dont forget who will be picking the nursing home.

On Thu, 16 Oct 2008 08:23:07 -0500, curly'q > wrote:

>>> I love the stuff myself.....
>>
>> I'm glad for you. I really mean that with no sarcasm.
>
>You know, it's what you grow up with. I call it the 'Mom's Meatloaf
>Syndrome' I've tasted friends mom's specialties and some of them were
>pretty bad. All the while the family members around the table thought
>they had died and went to heaven.

Since this is crossposted to a cooking group many of us have had that
unpleasant experience.

>I did say southern fried 'style'
>
>IMHO, pressure fried chicken is a step above pan fried or deep fried....
>church ladies notwithstanding . The technique uses less oil, makes for a
>crisp, moister product and cooks significantly quicker.

I never said it wasn't good. I said KFC isn't.

>I'm a big fan of pressure cookers in general. From a frugal standpoint,
>it's one of the most efficient and economical way to prepare foods
>especially marginal cuts of meat, beans, and the difficult to prepare
>brown rice. And it's fast.

Many people agree with you. I don't and got rid of my pressure cooker
as I didn't feel it was worth the storage space it took up.

>OBTW...I was joking about the 10k pressure cooker

I know that.

Lou

JonL wrote:
> Think they've all slipped, even the grocery store chicken. I heard Tyson
> has (or soon will have) a plant in China. Probably wouldn't want to see
> what they're being fed over there,

formica chips and powder, for protein! somehow tyson doing that doesnt
surprise me. they run sweatshops here in the USA