A "special" at the moment at McDonalds is the Oriental BBQ Beef burger.

It comprises of: 100% Beef Patty, cheese, Batavia lettuce, onion, BBQ
sauce and a split-top seeded bun.

Forgive me for asking, but what *exactly* is Oriental about that?

Corey Richardson wrote:
>
> A "special" at the moment at McDonalds is the Oriental BBQ Beef burger.
>
> It comprises of: 100% Beef Patty, cheese, Batavia lettuce, onion, BBQ
> sauce and a split-top seeded bun.
>
> Forgive me for asking, but what *exactly* is Oriental about that?

There's probably soy sauce in the BBQ sauce.
And the seeds on the bun are probably sesame seeds.

On Wed, 30 Jul 2008 10:48:39 -0700, Mark Thorson >
wrote:

>Corey Richardson wrote:
>>
>> A "special" at the moment at McDonalds is the Oriental BBQ Beef burger.
>>
>> It comprises of: 100% Beef Patty, cheese, Batavia lettuce, onion, BBQ
>> sauce and a split-top seeded bun.
>>
>> Forgive me for asking, but what *exactly* is Oriental about that?
>
>There's probably soy sauce in the BBQ sauce.
>And the seeds on the bun are probably sesame seeds.

Still not very "Oriental" is it?

On Wed, 30 Jul 2008 18:49:32 +0100, "Mike........"
> wrote:

>Following up to Corey Richardson
>
>> Still not very "Oriental" is it?
>
>you eat it with chopsticks.

LOL!

Mike........ wrote:

> Following up to Corey Richardson
>
>
>>Still not very "Oriental" is it?
>
>
> you eat it with chopsticks.

That you eat it at all defies logic.

Dave

On Wed, 30 Jul 2008 10:48:39 -0700, Mark Thorson >
wrote:

>Corey Richardson wrote:
>>
>> A "special" at the moment at McDonalds is the Oriental BBQ Beef burger.
>>
>> It comprises of: 100% Beef Patty, cheese, Batavia lettuce, onion, BBQ
>> sauce and a split-top seeded bun.
>>
>> Forgive me for asking, but what *exactly* is Oriental about that?
>
>There's probably soy sauce in the BBQ sauce.
>And the seeds on the bun are probably sesame seeds.

Ok, I had to try one.

It's just a burger with slightly oriental tasting BBQ sauce and some
toasted sesame seeds on the bun.

I don't know what I expected, but it was a bit meh...

On Jul 30, 9:09*am, Corey Richardson `R> wrote:
> A "special" at the moment at McDonalds is the Oriental BBQ Beef burger.
> ....
> Forgive me for asking, but what *exactly* is Oriental about that?

Just curious....is "Oriental" still widely used in the U.K., rather
than "asian"? Does it still connote something exotic? -aem

On Wed, 30 Jul 2008 10:51:23 -0700 (PDT), aem >
wrote:

>On Jul 30, 9:09*am, Corey Richardson `R> wrote:
>> A "special" at the moment at McDonalds is the Oriental BBQ Beef burger.
>> ....
>> Forgive me for asking, but what *exactly* is Oriental about that?
>
>Just curious....is "Oriental" still widely used in the U.K., rather
>than "asian"? Does it still connote something exotic? -aem

AFAIC, "Oriental" means Chinese/Japanese and "Asian" is
Indian/Pakistani.

Corey Richardson wrote:
> On Wed, 30 Jul 2008 10:51:23 -0700 (PDT), aem >
> wrote:
>
>> On Jul 30, 9:09 am, Corey Richardson `R> wrote:
>>> A "special" at the moment at McDonalds is the Oriental BBQ Beef burger.
>>> ....
>>> Forgive me for asking, but what *exactly* is Oriental about that?
>> Just curious....is "Oriental" still widely used in the U.K., rather
>> than "asian"? Does it still connote something exotic? -aem
>
> AFAIC, "Oriental" means Chinese/Japanese and "Asian" is
> Indian/Pakistani.
>

I thought carpets/rugs were "Oriental" and people were "Asian". I don't
think my Japanese SIL likes to be called an Oriental.

-tracy

On Wed, 30 Jul 2008 14:14:12 -0400, Tracy > wrote:

>I thought carpets/rugs were "Oriental" and people were "Asian". I don't
>think my Japanese SIL likes to be called an Oriental.

Rugs from China are called Chinese rugs. You know what Persian rugs
are - the area is debatable, but centers in Iran. Rugs from India and
the surrounding areas are called Oriental, but tagged by country of
origin.

The people of Asia are called Asians as a whole or identified
individually by their country of origin (if you know it). I'm an
American first, a North American second, "of European ancestry" a
distant third.

I don't blame your SIL. Calling people Orientals reeks old fashioned
Colonial attitude.

Just my 2¢


--
I never worry about diets. The only carrots that interest me are the number of carats in a diamond.

Mae West

On Wed, 30 Jul 2008 11:42:17 -0700, sf wrote:

>Calling people Orientals reeks old fashioned
>Colonial attitude.

Even the Chinese describe it as Oriental. At the UK's Wing Yip online
store it's described as "Chinese and Oriental Food Made Easy - Online"

http://www.wingyipstore.co.uk/

I think only PC people have a problem with the term "Oriental".

sf wrote:
> On Wed, 30 Jul 2008 14:14:12 -0400, Tracy > wrote:
>
>> I thought carpets/rugs were "Oriental" and people were "Asian". I don't
>> think my Japanese SIL likes to be called an Oriental.
>
> Rugs from China are called Chinese rugs. You know what Persian rugs
> are - the area is debatable, but centers in Iran. Rugs from India and
> the surrounding areas are called Oriental, but tagged by country of
> origin.
>
> The people of Asia are called Asians as a whole or identified
> individually by their country of origin (if you know it). I'm an
> American first, a North American second, "of European ancestry" a
> distant third.
>
> I don't blame your SIL. Calling people Orientals reeks old fashioned
> Colonial attitude.
>
> Just my 2¢
>
>

Well that's what I meant. :-)

I just did a quick wiki search:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oriental_rug

I have never heard the term "chinese rug" but I have heard "oriental
rug". Not that wiki is such a great fountain of wisdom but according to
the article Chinese rugs are Oriental rugs. Whatever. I just think that
in the US, people are usually not referred to as Oriental. My mother,
when she was on her death bed in a hospital in Boston's Chinatown said,
when asked, "do you know where you are"? she replied, "Chinkytown". Not
kidding. She was slightly delirious from pain killers, but, that was
totally her. Not the most PC person out there.

Tracy

On Wed, 30 Jul 2008 11:42:17 -0700, sf wrote:

>On Wed, 30 Jul 2008 14:14:12 -0400, Tracy > wrote:
>
>>I thought carpets/rugs were "Oriental" and people were "Asian". I don't
>>think my Japanese SIL likes to be called an Oriental.
>
>Rugs from China are called Chinese rugs. You know what Persian rugs
>are - the area is debatable, but centers in Iran. Rugs from India and
>the surrounding areas are called Oriental, but tagged by country of
>origin.
>
>The people of Asia are called Asians as a whole or identified
>individually by their country of origin (if you know it). I'm an
>American first, a North American second, "of European ancestry" a
>distant third.
>
>I don't blame your SIL. Calling people Orientals reeks old fashioned
>Colonial attitude.
>
>Just my 2¢

plus, he's leaving out 'wily' or 'inscrutable.'

your pal,
mr. moto

"sf" wrote in message ...
> On Wed, 30 Jul 2008 14:14:12 -0400, Tracy > wrote:
>
>>I thought carpets/rugs were "Oriental" and people were "Asian". I don't
>>think my Japanese SIL likes to be called an Oriental.
>
> Rugs from China are called Chinese rugs. You know what Persian rugs
> are - the area is debatable, but centers in Iran. Rugs from India and
> the surrounding areas are called Oriental, but tagged by country of
> origin.
>
> The people of Asia are called Asians as a whole or identified
> individually by their country of origin (if you know it). I'm an
> American first, a North American second, "of European ancestry" a
> distant third.


Well then! I'm in the same genetic boat as you.

My 27th great Grandfather murdered the king of England.

My Great Granny was Cherokee.

Do you ride bareback?


TFM®

On Wed, 30 Jul 2008 19:30:24 +0100, "Mike........"
> wrote:

>the UK census seperates "Asian" from "Chinese", so I assume we replace
>"oriental" with "chinese", didnt realise oriental was defamatory, does
>every racial word become an insult over time?

Misusing Oriental isn't defamatory, it's just plain ignorant. Be my
guest, use it... and know you're being laughed at behind your back.


--
I never worry about diets. The only carrots that interest me are the number of carats in a diamond.

Mae West

"Mike........" > wrote in message
...
> Following up to Tracy
>
>> riental" and people were "Asian". I don't
>> think my Japanese SIL likes to be called an Oriental.
>
> the UK census seperates "Asian" from "Chinese", so I assume we replace
> "oriental" with "chinese", didnt realise oriental was defamatory, does
> every racial word become an insult over time?


Yes they do, negro.

On Wed, 30 Jul 2008 19:08:55 GMT, "l, not -l" > wrote:

>
>On 30-Jul-2008, "Mike........" > wrote:
>
>> the UK census seperates "Asian" from "Chinese", so I assume we replace
>> "oriental" with "chinese", didnt realise oriental was defamatory, does
>> every racial word become an insult over time?
>> --
>
>In the US it does.

is it so difficult to call people what they wish to be called?

your pal,
blake

On Wed, 30 Jul 2008 19:01:04 +0100, Corey Richardson
`R> wrote:

>On Wed, 30 Jul 2008 10:51:23 -0700 (PDT), aem >
>wrote:
>
>>On Jul 30, 9:09*am, Corey Richardson `R> wrote:
>>> A "special" at the moment at McDonalds is the Oriental BBQ Beef burger.
>>> ....
>>> Forgive me for asking, but what *exactly* is Oriental about that?
>>
>>Just curious....is "Oriental" still widely used in the U.K., rather
>>than "asian"? Does it still connote something exotic? -aem
>
>AFAIC, "Oriental" means Chinese/Japanese and "Asian" is
>Indian/Pakistani.

Switch the terms and that's my connotation

Oriental = India and the "stans"
Asian = Far East

What's Oriental about a BBQ Beef burger is beyond me.


--
I never worry about diets. The only carrots that interest me are the number of carats in a diamond.

Mae West

Corey Richardson wrote:
>
> On Wed, 30 Jul 2008 10:51:23 -0700 (PDT), aem >
> wrote:
>
> >Just curious....is "Oriental" still widely used in the U.K., rather
> >than "asian"? Does it still connote something exotic? -aem
>
> AFAIC, "Oriental" means Chinese/Japanese and "Asian" is
> Indian/Pakistani.

In the UK, "Europe" begins on the other side
of the English channel. But in the US,
we consider the UK to be part of Europe.
So we aren't likely to look to them for
geography lessons.

Mark Thorson wrote:

> Corey Richardson wrote:
>
>>On Wed, 30 Jul 2008 10:51:23 -0700 (PDT), aem >
>>wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Just curious....is "Oriental" still widely used in the U.K., rather
>>>than "asian"? Does it still connote something exotic? -aem
>>
>>AFAIC, "Oriental" means Chinese/Japanese and "Asian" is
>>Indian/Pakistani.
>
>
> In the UK, "Europe" begins on the other side
> of the English channel. But in the US,
> we consider the UK to be part of Europe.
> So we aren't likely to look to them for
> geography lessons.

But what will we become if we join the USA? As most over here hope happens.

Dave

"Dave" > wrote in message
...
> Mark Thorson wrote:
>
>> Corey Richardson wrote:
>>
>>>On Wed, 30 Jul 2008 10:51:23 -0700 (PDT), aem >
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>Just curious....is "Oriental" still widely used in the U.K., rather
>>>>than "asian"? Does it still connote something exotic? -aem
>>>
>>>AFAIC, "Oriental" means Chinese/Japanese and "Asian" is
>>>Indian/Pakistani.
>>
>>
>> In the UK, "Europe" begins on the other side
>> of the English channel. But in the US,
>> we consider the UK to be part of Europe.
>> So we aren't likely to look to them for
>> geography lessons.
>
> But what will we become if we join the USA? As most over here hope
> happens.
>
> Dave

You'll lose your free medical care firstly.

Don't take that lightly.

If I slip in the kitchen and cut my guts out, it's up to me to pay the half
million dollars required to put them back in.

This ****ing country is a skeleton of it's former self. It's a ****ing
communist POS. You can't ride a bike here without a helmet.


I'm ready to move to Mexico as I understand there are no Mexicans there
anymore.


TFM®

Dave the nice British person wrote:
>
> But what will we become if we join the USA? As most over here hope happens.

Statehood is granted on a politically balanced basis,
for example Hawaii (Democrat) and Alaska (Republican)
were admitted at about the same time. The current
best prospects for states 51 and 52 are admission of
Puerto Rico (Democrat) and Guam (Republican).

How would we balance admission of the UK? Also,
note that we probably could only admit England.
Scotland and Wales would probably use the
opportunity to declare independence. Beats me
what Northern Ireland would do.

Mike ............ wrote:

> Following up to Dave
>
>
>>But what will we become if we join the USA? As most over here hope happens.
>
>
> do they? News to me.

It's the alternative to joining the EU.

Dave

On Wed, 30 Jul 2008 19:50:43 +0100, "Mike........"
> wrote:

>Following up to Mark Thorson
>
>> In the UK, "Europe" begins on the other side
>> of the English channel.
>
>no, *continental* europe does. *some* people talk of "europe" that way,
>meaning the operation of the EU, if they dislike it, but generally thats a
>50 years out of date view.
>
>>But in the US,
>> we consider the UK to be part of Europe.
>
>So do we, although we are of course an archipelego or whatever off the
>coast.

round these parts, we refer to the u.k. as 'perfidious albion.'

your pal,
blake

"Mike........" > wrote in message
...
> Following up to Mike........
>
> >>But in the US,
> >> we consider the UK to be part of Europe.
> >
> > So do we, although we are of course an archipelego or whatever off the
> > coast.
>
> the only person i have heard of who was confused was a US immigration
> official who though Scotland was part of England! Its hard to see what
> other continent you could include the UK with?
> --
> Mike.....................
> Google-groups killfiled
> Remove clothing to email

This topiv has nothing to do at all with fast-food. Please discontinue
sross-posting to alt.fast-food please.

Jerry Sauk wrote:
>
>
> This topiv has nothing to do at all with fast-food. Please discontinue
> sross-posting to alt.fast-food please.
>
>

Please stop posting in rfc since you don't have a clue on how to cook.

"Jerry Sauk" > wrote in message
news
>
> "Mike........" > wrote in message
> ...
>> Following up to Mike........
>>
>> >>But in the US,
>> >> we consider the UK to be part of Europe.
>> >
>> > So do we, although we are of course an archipelego or whatever off the
>> > coast.
>>
>> the only person i have heard of who was confused was a US immigration
>> official who though Scotland was part of England! Its hard to see what
>> other continent you could include the UK with?
>> --
>> Mike.....................
>> Google-groups killfiled
>> Remove clothing to email
>
> This topiv has nothing to do at all with fast-food. Please discontinue
> sross-posting to alt.fast-food please.
>
>

Topic stopped now! Thank you *sir*! <salute>

TFM® - Go **** yerself!

Mike........ wrote:

> the only person i have heard of who was confused was a US immigration
> official who though Scotland was part of England! Its hard to see what
> other continent you could include the UK with?

I once met a British consular official who was unclear on the definition
of the UK/England/Scotland...

On Wed, 30 Jul 2008 17:31:23 -0400, S Viemeister
> wrote:

>Mike........ wrote:
>
>> the only person i have heard of who was confused was a US immigration
>> official who though Scotland was part of England! Its hard to see what
>> other continent you could include the UK with?
>
>I once met a British consular official who was unclear on the definition
>of the UK/England/Scotland...

That's bad! I don't suppose we're too clear on the US states though...

On Jul 30, 11:09*am, Corey Richardson `R> wrote:
> A "special" at the moment at McDonalds is the Oriental BBQ Beef burger.
>
> It comprises of: 100% Beef Patty, cheese, Batavia lettuce, onion, BBQ
> sauce and a split-top seeded bun.
>
> Forgive me for asking, but what *exactly* is Oriental about that?
=================================================

No option for cheese.

Lynn in Fargo

On Wed, 30 Jul 2008 12:28:57 -0700 (PDT), Lynn from Fargo
> wrote:

>On Jul 30, 11:09*am, Corey Richardson `R> wrote:
>> A "special" at the moment at McDonalds is the Oriental BBQ Beef burger.
>>
>> It comprises of: 100% Beef Patty, cheese, Batavia lettuce, onion, BBQ
>> sauce and a split-top seeded bun.
>>
>> Forgive me for asking, but what *exactly* is Oriental about that?
>=============================================== ==
>
>No option for cheese.
>
>Lynn in Fargo

It has cheese!

On Thu, 31 Jul 2008 01:27:23 +0100, Corey Richardson
`R> wrote:

>On Wed, 30 Jul 2008 12:28:57 -0700 (PDT), Lynn from Fargo
> wrote:
>
>>On Jul 30, 11:09*am, Corey Richardson `R> wrote:
>>> A "special" at the moment at McDonalds is the Oriental BBQ Beef burger.
>>>
>>> It comprises of: 100% Beef Patty, cheese, Batavia lettuce, onion, BBQ
>>> sauce and a split-top seeded bun.
>>>
>>> Forgive me for asking, but what *exactly* is Oriental about that?
>>================================================ =
>>
>>No option for cheese.
>>
>>Lynn in Fargo
>
>It has cheese!

it's obviously inauthentic then.

your pal,
blake

On Wed, 30 Jul 2008 12:28:57 -0700 (PDT), Lynn from Fargo
> wrote:

>On Jul 30, 11:09*am, Corey Richardson `R> wrote:
>> A "special" at the moment at McDonalds is the Oriental BBQ Beef burger.
>>
>> It comprises of: 100% Beef Patty, cheese, Batavia lettuce, onion, BBQ
>> sauce and a split-top seeded bun.
>>
>> Forgive me for asking, but what *exactly* is Oriental about that?
>=============================================== ==
>
>No option for cheese.
>

<snort>

your pal,
blake

On Jul 30, 11:09*am, Corey Richardson `R> wrote:
> A "special" at the moment at McDonalds is the Oriental BBQ Beef burger.
>
> It comprises of: 100% Beef Patty, cheese, Batavia lettuce, onion, BBQ
> sauce and a split-top seeded bun.
>
> Forgive me for asking, but what *exactly* is Oriental about that?

=================================

Oh sheesh! I didn't see the cheese part!

Lynn in Fargo

On Wed, 30 Jul 2008 12:30:41 -0700 (PDT), Lynn from Fargo
> wrote:

>On Jul 30, 11:09*am, Corey Richardson `R> wrote:
>> A "special" at the moment at McDonalds is the Oriental BBQ Beef burger.
>>
>> It comprises of: 100% Beef Patty, cheese, Batavia lettuce, onion, BBQ
>> sauce and a split-top seeded bun.
>>
>> Forgive me for asking, but what *exactly* is Oriental about that?
>
>=================================
>
>Oh sheesh! I didn't see the cheese part!
>
>Lynn in Fargo

Whoops! Didn't see your other post.

It's not fantastic though, with or without cheese.

On Jul 30, 9:09*am, Corey Richardson `R> wrote:
> A "special" at the moment at McDonalds is the Oriental BBQ Beef burger.
>
> It comprises of: 100% Beef Patty, cheese, Batavia lettuce, onion, BBQ
> sauce and a split-top seeded bun.
>
> Forgive me for asking, but what *exactly* is Oriental about that?

I imagine a McD management meeting:

- let's drop some bbq sauce on a burger.
- ok, we can sell that as a 'bbq beef burger'.
- no, bbq beef has nothing to do with a beef patty and we
certainly don't want to spend the money to make real bbq beef.
- ok, we'll call it 'oriental bbq beef burger' because orientals
don't know about bbq either and that'll deflect any criticism.
- you're a genius.

On Wed, 30 Jul 2008 13:35:45 -0700 (PDT), aem >
wrote:

>On Jul 30, 9:09*am, Corey Richardson `R> wrote:
>> A "special" at the moment at McDonalds is the Oriental BBQ Beef burger.
>>
>> It comprises of: 100% Beef Patty, cheese, Batavia lettuce, onion, BBQ
>> sauce and a split-top seeded bun.
>>
>> Forgive me for asking, but what *exactly* is Oriental about that?
>
>I imagine a McD management meeting:
>
> - let's drop some bbq sauce on a burger.
> - ok, we can sell that as a 'bbq beef burger'.
> - no, bbq beef has nothing to do with a beef patty and we
>certainly don't want to spend the money to make real bbq beef.
> - ok, we'll call it 'oriental bbq beef burger' because orientals
>don't know about bbq either and that'll deflect any criticism.
> - you're a genius.

I bet it went something exactly like that!

On Wed, 30 Jul 2008 13:35:45 -0700 (PDT), aem >
wrote:

>On Jul 30, 9:09*am, Corey Richardson `R> wrote:
>> A "special" at the moment at McDonalds is the Oriental BBQ Beef burger.
>>
>> It comprises of: 100% Beef Patty, cheese, Batavia lettuce, onion, BBQ
>> sauce and a split-top seeded bun.
>>
>> Forgive me for asking, but what *exactly* is Oriental about that?
>
>I imagine a McD management meeting:
>
> - let's drop some bbq sauce on a burger.
> - ok, we can sell that as a 'bbq beef burger'.
> - no, bbq beef has nothing to do with a beef patty and we
>certainly don't want to spend the money to make real bbq beef.
> - ok, we'll call it 'oriental bbq beef burger' because orientals
>don't know about bbq either and that'll deflect any criticism.
> - you're a genius.

now's the time to start the rumor that they've switched from ground-up
worms to dog meat.

your pal,
blake