"Ms P" > wrote in message
> I've never showed ID yet when voting.
>

You have to here. The ladies greet me by name, but still make everyone go
through the formality of showing an ID.

I did read in the paper today that about 200 dead people across the state
voted in the last election. Not as bad as Chicago yet.

"notbob" > wrote in message
> We had three different supermarket chains in my town. It was not only not
> rare, it was quite common to find two, or all three, putting a company's
> product on sale during the same period. Products that immediately come to
> mind are Hagen-Daz, Stoufers, Freschetta and DiGeorno pizza. I noticed
> most
> of these multi-store sales usually seemed to be prepared frozen foods. I
> suspeect this may be due to cleaning out time dated products. They also
> became predictable in many cases. Stoufer's one week, Swanson's the next,
> another the next, and then stoufer's again, and so on.

The supermarkets are not putting them on sale, the manufacturer is. Two
biggies are Pepsi and Coke that have agreements with the stores to alternate
weeks. Others will offer promotional deals to every store during a certain
time period. The stores then pass the savings on to the customer.

It has been many years since I was involved in the grocery business, but we
would get in a weekly price/order list. Certain items were on sale and we'd
have them on sale in the store. We'd often buy some extra and take
advantage of the discounted buy after the sale. My involvement was with a
small store, (a Unity - Frankford grocery) but the big chains are cut
throat.

I also noticed that Stop & Shop has some items that they've been advertising
as "new lower price" and those items are no longer in the sale cycle.
Skippy peanut butter and Drumstick ice cream cones comes to mind. Makes
sense because someone had to pay for the sale price.
--
Ed
http://pages.cthome.net/edhome/

notbob > wrote:

> On 2008-04-20, Sqwertz > wrote:
>
>> Not all stores are going to have the same things on sale at the same
>> time. In fact, that's very rare.
>
> I disagree, sw. After years of shopping only sales, I've discovered
> definite trends. In fact, I have no doubt many food companies determine
> when and who puts their products on sale.
>
> We had three different supermarket chains in my town. It was not only not
> rare, it was quite common to find two, or all three, putting a company's
> product on sale during the same period. Products that immediately come to
> mind are Hagen-Daz, Stoufers, Freschetta and DiGeorno pizza. I noticed most
> of these multi-store sales usually seemed to be prepared frozen foods. I
> suspeect this may be due to cleaning out time dated products. They also
> became predictable in many cases. Stoufer's one week, Swanson's the next,
> another the next, and then stoufer's again, and so on.

I guess I don't notice these trends as much since I buy very little
national brand name stuff. Raw meats by weight, produce, Asian
markets make up 90% of my purchases.

While produce in season is usually cheaper and on sale at many
places at the same time, the meats are almost always on a different
sale schedule except around the holidays.

Paper goods and inedible consumables are usually bought at Costco
that I never notice if there's a pattern or not.

-sw

Nancy Young wrote:

> "Sqwertz" > wrote
>
> > Nancy Young > wrote:
>
> >> I wonder if it's geographical. *There are no supermarket chains
> >> around here that do not have a card. *Every single one does.
> >> Even the drug stores.
>
> > CVS uses cards here, Walgreen doesn't. *I shop at Walgreens for just
> > that reason. *And I shop at HEB and Central Market over Randall's
> > (Safeway) because of that.
>
> Agreed about Walgreen's, I didn't think of them because there aren't
> many around here. *They always seem to be very convenient to wherever
> I vacation, which comes in very handy. *But CVS and Rite Aid, the only
> two drug stores around here, both have cards.


Walgreen's ostensibly requires coupons from their sale circular for
some of their cheap sale prices, it's an archaic process somwhat but I
don't mind...

CVS requires a card, and besides which the CVS stores I have visited
here are absolutely underwhelming, especially in regards to the
availability of sale items. A coupla years ago they made a big push
into the Chicawgo area, don't know how they are doing. I'll shop
Wag's over CVS any time...

As for groceries, the local Treasure Island chain does not use cards,
Dominick's and Jewel (both owned by national retailers) both do.
Prices are consistently lower at TI. I consider the use of the cards
a racket to lull the consumer into *thinking* they are getting lower
prices, when in reality the opposite is true..


--
Best
Greg

"George Shirley" > wrote in message
. ..
> Paul M. Cook wrote:
>> "George Shirley" > wrote in message
>> .. .
>>> blake murphy wrote:
>>>> On Sun, 20 Apr 2008 05:06:33 GMT, Sqwertz >
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> "Paul M. Cook" > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> It has to do with personal ID protection act or something along that
>>>>>> name. Cops are the only ones who may demand an ID. Recently it has
>>>>>> been extended to airlines. It is also related to discrimination
>>>>>> because you can't sell something at one price to a class of people
>>>>>> and not another. In this case the former would be people who drive
>>>>>> cars and the latter being people who take the bus. Not everyone has
>>>>>> a driver's license.
>>>>> Adults who do not have drivers licenses are required to have a
>>>>> state-issued ID card.
>>>> wrong. maybe if you want to fly or must prove your age to buy liquor
>>>> or something. but in the u.s., it is not yet necessary to have your
>>>> papers in order.
>>>>
>>>>> Ever try and vote with showing identification?
>>>>>
>>>> prior to the last time i voted, i was never asked for i.d. or even
>>>> registration card. you have already identified yourself to the
>>>> state's satisfaction when you register to vote.
>>>>
>>>>> Sheesh. Just doa Sheldon and give it up and slink away gracefully
>>>>> until you can produce evidence of this bullshit you spout.
>>>> bullshitter, heal thyself. (not that i'd put you in sheldon's
>>>> league.)
>>>>
>>>> your pal,
>>>> blake
>>> Well Blake, Loosyanna requires picture ID when you show up at the polls
>>> and your voter registration says which polling place you're entitled to
>>> vote at. Of course being a state with the finest politicians money can
>>> buy we have to do that to ensure the dead aren't still voting.
>>
>>
>> Other states have tried it and they have been shut down by their
>> respective courts. Expect a SC decision on it.
>>
>> Paul
> I've been voting here for 20 years and it's the same law as when we moved
> here. They're not denying us the vote, just making sure we are truly
> eligible and in the proper place to do the job.
>
> A state issued ID with picture costs about $4.00 and is readily available.
>

That 4.00 is the equivalent of a poll tax. Poll taxes are explicitly denied
in the Constitution. That is one basis on which these things have been
denied. Your state has simply not yet faced a legal challenge to its
practice.

Paul

Paul M. Cook wrote:

>> A state issued ID with picture costs about $4.00 and is readily available.
>>
>
> That 4.00 is the equivalent of a poll tax. Poll taxes are explicitly denied
> in the Constitution. That is one basis on which these things have been
> denied. Your state has simply not yet faced a legal challenge to its
> practice.
>
> Paul

I think it is stretch to imagine that someone doesn't have ONE piece of
picture ID. And calling it a poll tax sounds like a cheap excuse to
excuse voter fraud, IMO.

"Goomba38" > wrote in message
. ..
> Paul M. Cook wrote:
>
>>> A state issued ID with picture costs about $4.00 and is readily
>>> available.
>>>
>>
>> That 4.00 is the equivalent of a poll tax. Poll taxes are explicitly
>> denied in the Constitution. That is one basis on which these things have
>> been denied. Your state has simply not yet faced a legal challenge to
>> its practice.
>>
>> Paul
>
> I think it is stretch to imagine that someone doesn't have ONE piece of
> picture ID. And calling it a poll tax sounds like a cheap excuse to
> excuse voter fraud, IMO.

You'd be amazed at just how many people don't have any picture ID of any
sort and can't get one either. I have to ask for current photo ID from
customers on a regular basis. The majority come back in a few hours or days
with current ID but there are some that simply can't get one.

Ms P

"Goomba38" > wrote in message
. ..
> Paul M. Cook wrote:
>
>>> A state issued ID with picture costs about $4.00 and is readily
>>> available.
>>>
>>
>> That 4.00 is the equivalent of a poll tax. Poll taxes are explicitly
>> denied in the Constitution. That is one basis on which these things have
>> been denied. Your state has simply not yet faced a legal challenge to
>> its practice.
>>
>> Paul
>
> I think it is stretch to imagine that someone doesn't have ONE piece of
> picture ID. And calling it a poll tax sounds like a cheap excuse to
> excuse voter fraud, IMO.

Doesn't matter. It's the law. Requiring somebody to pay money to vote is
illegal and unconstitutional. Even if the IDs were free, that too would be
a problem.

Paul

Paul M. Cook wrote:

>> I think it is stretch to imagine that someone doesn't have ONE piece of
>> picture ID. And calling it a poll tax sounds like a cheap excuse to
>> excuse voter fraud, IMO.
>
> Doesn't matter. It's the law. Requiring somebody to pay money to vote is
> illegal and unconstitutional. Even if the IDs were free, that too would be
> a problem.
>
> Paul

No one is requiring someone to pay to vote. They just (rightly, IMO)
expect you to be able to identify yourself (alive, one vote per person,
please!)
Do you honestly know people who don't own one picture ID? I have
many..Drivers license, passport, Military ID, Government Employee ID,
work ID, Sams Club ID, old college student ID's.....

"Goomba38" > wrote in message
. ..
> Paul M. Cook wrote:
>
>>> I think it is stretch to imagine that someone doesn't have ONE piece of
>>> picture ID. And calling it a poll tax sounds like a cheap excuse to
>>> excuse voter fraud, IMO.
>>
>> Doesn't matter. It's the law. Requiring somebody to pay money to vote
>> is illegal and unconstitutional. Even if the IDs were free, that too
>> would be a problem.
>>
>> Paul
>
> No one is requiring someone to pay to vote. They just (rightly, IMO)
> expect you to be able to identify yourself (alive, one vote per person,
> please!)
> Do you honestly know people who don't own one picture ID? I have
> many..Drivers license, passport, Military ID, Government Employee ID, work
> ID, Sams Club ID, old college student ID's.....

It's simply not that cut and dried. The legality of any ID is questionable
and the courts have set precedents on the subject. IDs, any IDs, are not
constitutional prerequisites for voting.

Paul

"Goomba38" > wrote in message
. ..
> Paul M. Cook wrote:
>
>>
>> Doesn't matter. It's the law. Requiring somebody to pay money to vote
>> is illegal and unconstitutional. Even if the IDs were free, that too
>> would be a problem.
>>
>> Paul
>
> No one is requiring someone to pay to vote. They just (rightly, IMO)
> expect you to be able to identify yourself (alive, one vote per person,
> please!)
> Do you honestly know people who don't own one picture ID? I have
> many..Drivers license, passport, Military ID, Government Employee ID, work
> ID, Sams Club ID, old college student ID's.....

Yes, I know several people that do not have one current, government issued,
photo ID. Several of the IDs on your list are not considered valid IDs by
the state to issue an ID or drivers license. They're also not on the list
of valid IDs a bank can take to open an account or make a loan.

Ms P

"Paul M. Cook" > wrote:

> It's simply not that cut and dried. The legality of any ID is questionable
> and the courts have set precedents on the subject. IDs, any IDs, are not
> constitutional prerequisites for voting.

Do you have a cite of some state that has abolished asking for ID's
to vote based on your claims of it being unconstitutional?

-sw

"The Kat" > wrote in message
...
> On Sun, 20 Apr 2008 20:55:11 GMT, "Paul M. Cook" > wrote:
>
>
>>That 4.00 is the equivalent of a poll tax.
>
> DAMN but you're an ignorant ****.

Prove it. That IS what the courts have called it. If it were 40 cents it
would be a poll tax. If iot were 4 cents it would be a poll tax and poll
taxes are forbidden by Constitutioal law. If you are going to make
accusations I think you'd do your credibility some good if you had SOMETHING
to back up you assertions. As it is you are displaying some serious
ignorance by your complete lack of any knowledge on the subject.

One thing is for sure, you have no clue about Constitutional law or 220 plus
years of legal precedent.

Paul

"The Kat" > wrote in message
...
> On Sun, 20 Apr 2008 04:15:21 GMT, "Paul M. Cook" > wrote:
>
>>
>>"The Kat" > wrote in message
. ..
>>> On Sat, 19 Apr 2008 22:20:29 GMT, "Paul M. Cook" > wrote:
>>>
>>>>You can state that there is a federal law prohibiting them from doing
>>>>this.
>>>>They have no right to demand your ID. Period.
>>>
>>> Bullshit.
>>>
>>
>>The bullshit is on you. It's the law. Anyone can ask for an ID, they may
>>not demand it.
>
>
> Tell me WHAT law says that. JUST one!
>
> Because there is NO such law.

The law is written into the Constitution and is treated as a "unreasonable
search or seizure." That is what it is. You are required by NO law to
posses ANY ID whatsoever. And NOBODY can demand that ID from you - not even
the police in most circumstance. You may voluntarily offer an ID or you may
choose to display it if asked, but you cannot be made to do so. There are
plenty of countries where this is not the case and you'd not want to live in
any of them.

Just what is your basis of *assumption* here? You just have a hunch or
something? Sounds a little too "liberal" Makes you feel threatened
somehow? Just what is your basis?

Paul

"Ms P" > wrote

> "Goomba38" > wrote

>> I think it is stretch to imagine that someone doesn't have ONE piece of
>> picture ID. And calling it a poll tax sounds like a cheap excuse to
>> excuse voter fraud, IMO.
>
> You'd be amazed at just how many people don't have any picture ID of any
> sort and can't get one either. I have to ask for current photo ID from
> customers on a regular basis. The majority come back in a few hours or
> days with current ID but there are some that simply can't get one.

In the interim between when I was working and this state began to
require photo driver's licenses, I didn't have one.

nancy

"George Shirley" > wrote in message
.. .
> blake murphy wrote:
>> On Sun, 20 Apr 2008 05:06:33 GMT, Sqwertz >
>> wrote:
>>
>>> "Paul M. Cook" > wrote:
>>>
>>>> It has to do with personal ID protection act or something along that
>>>> name. Cops are the only ones who may demand an ID. Recently it has
>>>> been extended to airlines. It is also related to discrimination
>>>> because you can't sell something at one price to a class of people and
>>>> not another. In this case the former would be people who drive cars
>>>> and the latter being people who take the bus. Not everyone has a
>>>> driver's license.
>>> Adults who do not have drivers licenses are required to have a
>>> state-issued ID card.
>>
>> wrong. maybe if you want to fly or must prove your age to buy liquor
>> or something. but in the u.s., it is not yet necessary to have your
>> papers in order.
>>
>>> Ever try and vote with showing identification?
>>>
>>
>> prior to the last time i voted, i was never asked for i.d. or even
>> registration card. you have already identified yourself to the
>> state's satisfaction when you register to vote.
>>
>>> Sheesh. Just doa Sheldon and give it up and slink away gracefully
>>> until you can produce evidence of this bullshit you spout.
>> bullshitter, heal thyself. (not that i'd put you in sheldon's
>> league.)
>>
>> your pal,
>> blake
> Well Blake, Loosyanna requires picture ID when you show up at the polls
> and your voter registration says which polling place you're entitled to
> vote at. Of course being a state with the finest politicians money can buy
> we have to do that to ensure the dead aren't still voting.


Here is an account of Georgia's experiment.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...091901382.html

Paul

"Paul M. Cook" > wrote:

> The law is written into the Constitution and is treated as a "unreasonable
> search or seizure." That is what it is.

Oh. My. God.

Pretty soon you'll be calling not being able to urinate in the
grocery store discrimination against people who are afraid of public
bathrooms.

-sw

In article <N_JOj.1599$pn4.1084@trnddc03>,
"Paul M. Cook" > wrote:

> "blake murphy" > wrote in message
> ...

> > yes. god forbid they know i buy store-brand toilet paper.
>

But they only know that you *bought* it. Maybe the toilet paper you
actually use is stolen, and you just use the store brand for rolling
joints.

> What if you smoked and your insurance company wanted to know if you lied on
> your application?

I used to buy sanitary napkins. Does that make me a woman? Or was I
just a husband who bought things for the family? My sister buys
sanitary napkins also. She is beyond the age of using them. She has a
little strap that she puts on a male dog so when he pees while she is
gone, it goes in the pad and not on the rug.

> What if you had diabetes and you bought a lot of candy?

What if I had small children who could have candy? Besides, the
nutritionists say that sugar by itself is no longer relevant for
diabetics.

> But your response is quite typical. Studies show most people do not value
> personal privacy.

If people want to know what I buy at the store, they are welcome to
watch me shop. I couldn't stop them if I wanted to.

--
Dan Abel
Petaluma, California USA

"Dan Abel" > wrote in message
...
> In article <N_JOj.1599$pn4.1084@trnddc03>,
> "Paul M. Cook" > wrote:
>
>> "blake murphy" > wrote in message
>> ...
>
>> > yes. god forbid they know i buy store-brand toilet paper.
>>
>
> But they only know that you *bought* it. Maybe the toilet paper you
> actually use is stolen, and you just use the store brand for rolling
> joints.
>
>> What if you smoked and your insurance company wanted to know if you lied
>> on
>> your application?
>
> I used to buy sanitary napkins. Does that make me a woman? Or was I
> just a husband who bought things for the family? My sister buys
> sanitary napkins also. She is beyond the age of using them. She has a
> little strap that she puts on a male dog so when he pees while she is
> gone, it goes in the pad and not on the rug.
>
>> What if you had diabetes and you bought a lot of candy?
>
> What if I had small children who could have candy? Besides, the
> nutritionists say that sugar by itself is no longer relevant for
> diabetics.
>
>> But your response is quite typical. Studies show most people do not
>> value
>> personal privacy.
>
> If people want to know what I buy at the store, they are welcome to
> watch me shop. I couldn't stop them if I wanted to.


Like I said, polls show most people don't care. Who ever would have thought
that your credit rating would affect your car insurance? It does. Whoever
would have thought that your credit rating is used to deny medical
insurance? It is. Whoever would have thought banks would raise your CC
rates because you have no life insurance? They do. And on and on and on.
How do they do it? They all share their databases.

Once you see how data mining works, you can't ignore what they can do with
this information. Take stores they already have electronic POS systems and
they know what sells and what does not and can tell you to the unit how many
cans of tomato soup they sold yesterday. So why do they want your name
attached to that purchase? Why do they want a DL number? Why do they want
a SSN? What you have to think about is not what they will do with it today,
but tomorrow.

If the polls are correct, most people don't worry about it. Some of us just
don't want to make it so easy.

Paul

Dan Abel > wrote:

> My sister buys
> sanitary napkins also. She is beyond the age of using them. She has a
> little strap that she puts on a male dog so when he pees while she is
> gone, it goes in the pad and not on the rug.

Somebody oughta turn her into PETA.

> If people want to know what I buy at the store, they are welcome to
> watch me shop. I couldn't stop them if I wanted to.

There's a difference between knowing what you bought in a week, and
someone keeping track of everything you've ever purchased over the
course of your lifetime.

-sw

George Shirley wrote:
> Paul M. Cook wrote:

>>
>>
>> Other states have tried it and they have been shut down by their
>> respective courts. Expect a SC decision on it.
>>
>> Paul


It's part of the Federal Election Reform Law and began to be required
about two-three years ago. It's a PITA for poll workers.

> I've been voting here for 20 years and it's the same law as when we
> moved here. They're not denying us the vote, just making sure we are
> truly eligible and in the proper place to do the job.
>
> A state issued ID with picture costs about $4.00 and is readily available.
>
> George

We are told to ask for a license, state ID, passport, or other Govt.
issued document. I've been shown military IDs, pilot's licenses, etc.
all of which are on our approved list. I can't wait to see what the
polling place rules are for this year's election....

gloria p

Ms P wrote:

>> I think it is stretch to imagine that someone doesn't have ONE piece
>> of picture ID. And calling it a poll tax sounds like a cheap excuse
>> to excuse voter fraud, IMO.
>
> You'd be amazed at just how many people don't have any picture ID of any
> sort and can't get one either. I have to ask for current photo ID from
> customers on a regular basis. The majority come back in a few hours or
> days with current ID but there are some that simply can't get one.
>
> Ms P

Many (most?) states can provide a non-drivers type photo identification,
which I've seen elderly have. If someone needed an ID to *get* money, I
bet they'd figure it out pretty quickly and manage to get one. If
someone such as Paul is against requiring one to vote, I bet we'd hear
how "unfair" it is to require it. Just *my* opinion, of course.

Goomba38 > wrote:

> Many (most?) states can provide a non-drivers type photo identification,
> which I've seen elderly have.

*All* states offer an ID card as an alternative to a drivers
license.

-sw

Goomba38 > wrote:

> Many (most?) states can provide a non-drivers type photo
> identification, which I've seen elderly have. If someone
> needed an ID to *get* money, I bet they'd figure it out pretty
> quickly and manage to get one. If someone such as Paul is
> against requiring one to vote, I bet we'd hear how "unfair"
> it is to require it.

Try getting a state ID card if you have no address. You
can register to vote giving a church as your address, but
you can't get an ID card.

Steve

"Steve Pope" > wrote in message
...
> Goomba38 > wrote:
>
>> Many (most?) states can provide a non-drivers type photo
>> identification, which I've seen elderly have. If someone
>> needed an ID to *get* money, I bet they'd figure it out pretty
>> quickly and manage to get one. If someone such as Paul is
>> against requiring one to vote, I bet we'd hear how "unfair"
>> it is to require it.
>
> Try getting a state ID card if you have no address. You
> can register to vote giving a church as your address, but
> you can't get an ID card.
>
> Steve

Try getting a state ID if you have no ID at all or no acceptable form of ID
to get the state issued ID.

Ms P

Steve Pope > wrote:

> Goomba38 > wrote:
>
>> Many (most?) states can provide a non-drivers type photo
>> identification, which I've seen elderly have. If someone
>> needed an ID to *get* money, I bet they'd figure it out pretty
>> quickly and manage to get one. If someone such as Paul is
>> against requiring one to vote, I bet we'd hear how "unfair"
>> it is to require it.
>
> Try getting a state ID card if you have no address. You
> can register to vote giving a church as your address, but
> you can't get an ID card.

You can't get a replacement social security card without getting an
ID as well. All employers require an ID card (and social security
card) before you can start working as proof of immigration status.
All college admissions require a state or federal ID card as well.
There are hundreds of other examples.

Which really has nothing to do with a private entity asking for
legal ID as a condition of service, since that's perfectly legal.
Whcih is what started this conversation.

Some places will have an alternate list of ID's you can present, but
many of those require that you have shown real ID's to obtain those
alternate forms of ID.

-sw

Ms P > wrote:

> Try getting a state ID if you have no ID at all or no acceptable form of ID
> to get the state issued ID.

Here's a list of what TX requires (and why and ID is necessary).
This is pretty standard stuff in all states:

<http://www.txdps.state.tx.us/administration/driver_licensing_control/identificationrequirements.htm>

-sw

"Goomba38" > wrote in message
...
> Ms P wrote:
>
>>> I think it is stretch to imagine that someone doesn't have ONE piece of
>>> picture ID. And calling it a poll tax sounds like a cheap excuse to
>>> excuse voter fraud, IMO.
>>
>> You'd be amazed at just how many people don't have any picture ID of any
>> sort and can't get one either. I have to ask for current photo ID from
>> customers on a regular basis. The majority come back in a few hours or
>> days with current ID but there are some that simply can't get one.
>>
>> Ms P
>
> Many (most?) states can provide a non-drivers type photo identification,
> which I've seen elderly have. If someone needed an ID to *get* money, I
> bet they'd figure it out pretty quickly and manage to get one. If someone
> such as Paul is against requiring one to vote, I bet we'd hear how
> "unfair" it is to require it. Just *my* opinion, of course.

An ID doesn't have to be a drivers license. But to get one the state
requires certain pieces of identification. If you don't have any of that
identification you can't get a state issued ID. I had at least two
customers that it simply wasn't possible for them to get a state issued ID
or drivers license.

I had one customer get absolutely furious but there wasn't anything I could
do about it. It's called the U.S.A. Patriot act. He had a military ID.
But since he had been kicked out of the military several months ago and had
no other ID it wasn't valid. I can't tell the bank he's not a member of the
military and then turn around and take a military ID. It was the only ID he
had and he said the state wouldn't take it for an ID either.

I had another customer that had a county jail ID. I couldn't take that and
neither would the state. When they arrested him they managed to lose his
state issued ID.

I had another customer that had his wallet stolen. He was having a
nightmare of a time getting any kind of ID. It took him two full months but
he did eventually get an ID.

Ms P

In article >,
Sqwertz > wrote:

> "Paul M. Cook" > wrote:

> > the former would be people who drive cars and the latter being people who
> > take the bus. Not everyone has a driver's license.
>
> Adults who do not have drivers licenses are required to have a
> state-issued ID card.

Not in California. My younger son didn't want to drive, so didn't have
a driver's license. He was too young to buy booze, so didn't see any
sense in getting an id. He finally got the ID when he took a plane
trip, because nowadays in the US you can't get on a plane without ID.

> Ever try and vote with showing identification?


I've never shown ID to vote. My wife has been a precinct officer for
several years and confirmed that ID isn't required to vote.

--
Dan Abel
Petaluma, California USA

Dan Abel > wrote:

> Sqwertz > wrote:

>> Adults who do not have drivers licenses are required to have a
>> state-issued ID card.

>Not in California. My younger son didn't want to drive, so didn't have
>a driver's license. He was too young to buy booze, so didn't see any
>sense in getting an id. He finally got the ID when he took a plane
>trip, because nowadays in the US you can't get on a plane without ID.

For many years I just had a passport, no state issued ID.
It's a bit tricky, because four weeks out of every 10 years
you are without ID when you get the passport renewed by mail
(the only way they let you do it anymore). I once had to
sign some legal documents relating to settling a civil claim,
and couldn't get them notarized because I was in the four-week
gap.

Steve

In article >,
Sqwertz > wrote:

> "Paul M. Cook" > wrote:
>
> > The bullshit is on you. It's the law. Anyone can ask for an ID, they may
> > not demand it. They may also not deny you based on your willingness or
> > ability to produce said ID. Cops and airlines, that's it. Even a cop
> > cannot demand to be shown driver's license unless you werre stopped in a
> > car.
>
> Damn, dude. You're really piling on the bullshit heavy tonight.
>
> You must show valid identification to an officer any time they ask
> for it, without reason or probable cause. A State or military ID
> would work, but chances are you have a drivers license (and it would
> be illegal to have both a state ID and a drivers license). The law
> is called "Failure to identify" and "stop and identify" and is a law
> in most states. And if not a state law, is more often than not a
> municipal law.

You wouldn't happen to have some cites on that? A quick Google doesn't
show much:

1. A proposed law in Virginia failed:

http://www.richmondsunlight.com/bill/2008/hb435/

2. The law in Ohio requires probable cause (suspected of committing a
crime, or witnessed one), and you don't need id, you just need to
furnish name, address and birthdate. If age is an element in the crime,
you don't need to furnish age, either.

http://codes.ohio.gov/orc/2921.29


> There are also plenty of other agencies where you must show
> identification. And in the private sector, they have every right to
> ask that you identify yourself to be eligible for certain services
> or merchandise. Cigarettes, alcohol, club membership, etc... If
> you don't do it, then fine - you don't get service. Your choice.


Agreed.

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On Sun, 20 Apr 2008 22:07:12 -0700, Dan Abel > wrote:

>I've never shown ID to vote. My wife has been a precinct officer for
>several years and confirmed that ID isn't required to vote.

I've always found that odd. I don't want someone casting my vote for
me.

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"sf" <.> wrote

> On Sun, 20 Apr 2008 22:07:12 -0700, Dan Abel > wrote:
>
>>I've never shown ID to vote. My wife has been a precinct officer for
>>several years and confirmed that ID isn't required to vote.
>
> I've always found that odd. I don't want someone casting my vote for
> me.

I just walk up to the appropriate voting sign-in book and give
my name. I guess people could make up a name and hope the
one they choose has a person with that name. Then I sign it.
If someone has already signed on that line, I suppose there would
be trouble. So, if you don't vote regularly, you don't know if someone's
been voting using your name.

They've never asked me for id yet.

nancy

sf wrote:
> On Sun, 20 Apr 2008 22:07:12 -0700, Dan Abel > wrote:
>
>> I've never shown ID to vote. My wife has been a precinct officer for
>> several years and confirmed that ID isn't required to vote.
>
> I've always found that odd. I don't want someone casting my vote for
> me.
>
I find most of what happens in the Peoples Republic of Kalifornia odd.

Nancy Young wrote:

> I just walk up to the appropriate voting sign-in book and give
> my name. I guess people could make up a name and hope the
> one they choose has a person with that name. Then I sign it.
> If someone has already signed on that line, I suppose there would
> be trouble. So, if you don't vote regularly, you don't know if someone's
> been voting using your name.
>
> They've never asked me for id yet.
> nancy

I think more a problem is all the "dead" (yes!) people that seem to be
casting votes....

On Mon, 21 Apr 2008 07:11:40 -0400, "Nancy Young" >
wrote:

>
>"sf" <.> wrote
>
>> On Sun, 20 Apr 2008 22:07:12 -0700, Dan Abel > wrote:
>>
>>>I've never shown ID to vote. My wife has been a precinct officer for
>>>several years and confirmed that ID isn't required to vote.
>>
>> I've always found that odd. I don't want someone casting my vote for
>> me.
>
>I just walk up to the appropriate voting sign-in book and give
>my name. I guess people could make up a name and hope the
>one they choose has a person with that name. Then I sign it.
>If someone has already signed on that line, I suppose there would
>be trouble. So, if you don't vote regularly, you don't know if someone's
>been voting using your name.
>
If there was deliberate voter fraud like in the days of old, it
wouldn't be hard to read the names upside down and choose one that
isn't filled in. I can do read upside down, so someone who was
trained to go from precinct to precinct could do it even more easily.

>They've never asked me for id yet.
>
and I feel very uncomfortable that they are playing so fast and lose
with ID.

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On Mon, 21 Apr 2008 07:04:51 -0500, George Shirley
> wrote:

>sf wrote:
>> On Sun, 20 Apr 2008 22:07:12 -0700, Dan Abel > wrote:
>>
>>> I've never shown ID to vote. My wife has been a precinct officer for
>>> several years and confirmed that ID isn't required to vote.
>>
>> I've always found that odd. I don't want someone casting my vote for
>> me.
>>
>I find most of what happens in the Peoples Republic of Kalifornia odd.

so your state asks for ID before voting?

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George Shirley wrote:

> Well Blake, Loosyanna requires picture ID when you show up at the polls
> and your voter registration says which polling place you're entitled to
> vote at. Of course being a state with the finest politicians money can
> buy we have to do that to ensure the dead aren't still voting.
>
> George

Hey, I thought they buried people above the ground in Louisiana, to make
it easier for them to vote.

George, if you and I are the only two people from Louisiana in this
newsgroup, it will make a mighty small cook-in.

Becca

Paul M. Cook wrote:
> "George Shirley" > wrote in message

>> Well Blake, Loosyanna requires picture ID when you show up at the polls
>> and your voter registration says which polling place you're entitled to
>> vote at. Of course being a state with the finest politicians money can buy
>> we have to do that to ensure the dead aren't still voting.
>
>
> Other states have tried it and they have been shut down by their respective
> courts. Expect a SC decision on it.
>
> Paul

The state of Louisiana and the state of Texas have similar requirements.
If you scroll down, you can read them.

http://www.pewcenteronthestates.org/...0id%20laws.pdf

Becca

Goomba38 wrote:
> Paul M. Cook wrote:
>
>>> A state issued ID with picture costs about $4.00 and is readily
>>> available.
>>>
>>
>> That 4.00 is the equivalent of a poll tax. Poll taxes are explicitly
>> denied in the Constitution. That is one basis on which these things
>> have been denied. Your state has simply not yet faced a legal
>> challenge to its practice.
>>
>> Paul
>
> I think it is stretch to imagine that someone doesn't have ONE piece of
> picture ID. And calling it a poll tax sounds like a cheap excuse to
> excuse voter fraud, IMO.

In Louisiana, if you do not have a photo ID, you can show them a copy of
a bill that has your name on it, and you have to sign a legal affidavit.
Who carries their bills around with them?

Becca