I just heard on the news :
Lawsuits Allege Milk Wasn't Organic
http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5i...JUfQQD8TGE5RO0


The lawsuits allege that Costco Wholesale Corp., Wal-Mart Stores Inc.,
Target Corp., Safeway Inc. and Wild Oats Markets Inc. sold Aurora's milk
under their own in-house brand names.


Dee Dee

Sqwertz > wrote:

>On Thu, 13 Dec 2007 16:18:00 -0500, Dee.Dee wrote:

>> The lawsuits allege that Costco Wholesale Corp., Wal-Mart
>> Stores Inc., Target Corp., Safeway Inc. and Wild Oats Markets
>> Inc. sold Aurora's milk under their own in-house brand names.

>What a bunch of bull****, IMO. The claimants have included (and
>publicized for shock value) top retailers in their lawsuit even
>though the responsibility of organic certification lies with the
>manufacturer and the USDA itself.

The Bush USDA gave Aurora the green light to label non-organic
milk as organic. Everybody in the chain, at least after a
certain point in time, should have known it wasn't organic
and should be held liable.

Steve

Steve Pope wrote:

> Sqwertz > wrote:
> >On Thu, 13 Dec 2007 16:18:00 -0500, Dee.Dee wrote:
> >> The lawsuits allege that Costco Wholesale Corp., Wal-Mart
> >> Stores Inc., Target Corp., Safeway Inc. and Wild Oats Markets
> >> Inc. sold Aurora's milk under their own in-house brand names.
> >What a bunch of bull****, IMO. The claimants have included (and
> >publicized for shock value) top retailers in their lawsuit even
> >though the responsibility of organic certification lies with the
> >manufacturer and the USDA itself.
>
> The Bush USDA gave Aurora the green light to label non-organic
> milk as organic. Everybody in the chain, at least after a
> certain point in time, should have known it wasn't organic
> and should be held liable.


"Organic" is just a marketing ruse dreamed up to sucker in the silly
blissninnie leftists anyways, Steve, the term "organic" really doesn't
mean anything...

As Rush Limbaugh said the other day, "Has anything ever been marketed
as 'inorganic'...???".


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Greg

Gregory Morrow wrote:
>
> As Rush Limbaugh said the other day, "Has anything ever been marketed
> as 'inorganic'...???".

Oxycontin?

"Mark Thorson" > wrote in message
...
> Gregory Morrow wrote:
>>
>> As Rush Limbaugh said the other day, "Has anything ever been marketed
>> as 'inorganic'...???".
>
> Oxycontin?

Probably not the big pull, but disassociative might be a great marketing
concept.

Cindi

Sqwertz > wrote:

>On Thu, 13 Dec 2007 22:17:40 +0000 (UTC), Steve Pope wrote:

>> The Bush USDA gave Aurora the green light to label non-organic
>> milk as organic. Everybody in the chain, at least after a
>> certain point in time, should have known it wasn't organic
>> and should be held liable.

>I'm not sure I follow that. How were the retailers supposed to
>know it wasn't organic?

Investigative reporting revealed the alleged problems in January, 2005.
Big retailers such as those named in the litigation have the
ability to follow up and investigate on their own, when reports
such as these surface. So, I would say if they were still selling
the product as organic as of mid-2005, then assuming the allegations
hold, they are party to the liability.

It is of course up to the courts to determine the facts. Things
may not have gone down the way it's been reported in the press.

Steve

Sqwertz > wrote:

>On Fri, 14 Dec 2007 04:13:24 +0000 (UTC), Steve Pope wrote:

>> Investigative reporting revealed the alleged problems in January, 2005.
>> Big retailers such as those named in the litigation have the
>> ability to follow up and investigate on their own, when reports
>> such as these surface. So, I would say if they were still selling
>> the product as organic as of mid-2005, then assuming the allegations
>> hold, they are party to the liability.

>I don't see anything in particular about the unofficial 2005
>investigation in there.

People concerned about organic milk have been looking at
Aurora for awhile. Same with Horizon, but there it's more
fuzzy -- they have lots of sources, some good, some with
problems along the lines of Aurora.

>"Aurora agreed to change some of its practices in a settlement
>with the USDA this summer, and it has reduced the number of cows
>at its Platteville, Colo., facility from 4,000 to about 975, said
>company spokeswoman Sonja Tuitele. But it was allowed to keep its
>organic certification and was put on probation for a year."

>While I did miss the fact that these retailers were co-branding
>the milk, I still don't think it's up to them to investigate the
>supplier after the USDA allowed them to keep their certs.

Certainly the USDA approval constitutes an argument in
favor of that defense.

Steve

Dee.Dee wrote:
> I just heard on the news :
> Lawsuits Allege Milk Wasn't Organic
> http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5i...JUfQQD8TGE5RO0
>
>
> The lawsuits allege that Costco Wholesale Corp., Wal-Mart Stores Inc.,
> Target Corp., Safeway Inc. and Wild Oats Markets Inc. sold Aurora's milk
> under their own in-house brand names.


(snipt from article)
The federal complaints focus on the sale of milk from Boulder, Colo.-based
Aurora Organic Dairy, which recently agreed to change its practices after
the U.S. Department of Agriculture found more than a dozen violations of
organic standards.
>

Well, not quite. The USDA (controlled by the Dairy & Meat Mafia)
dragged their feet on this for quite some time. If it weren't for this
Cornucopia Institute raising hell, it wudda been swept under the rug, as
usual, imo.

--------------------

Organic Dairy Scandal Widens as "Sweetheart Deal" Between USDA, Aurora
Organic, QAI & Colorado State Dept. of Agriculture is Exposed

* Secret USDA Enforcement Action Revealed Aurora Farm's Certifier
Found to Have Willfully Violated NOP Rules
Cornucopia Institute, September 22, 2007

http://www.organicconsumers.org/arti...ticle_7225.cfm


PS: the Good news is..there's no human requirement for milk from a cow

Sqwertz wrote:
> On Thu, 13 Dec 2007 22:17:40 +0000 (UTC), Steve Pope wrote:
>
>> Sqwertz > wrote:
>>
>>> On Thu, 13 Dec 2007 16:18:00 -0500, Dee.Dee wrote:
>>>> The lawsuits allege that Costco Wholesale Corp., Wal-Mart
>>>> Stores Inc., Target Corp., Safeway Inc. and Wild Oats Markets
>>>> Inc. sold Aurora's milk under their own in-house brand names.
>>> What a bunch of bull****, IMO. The claimants have included (and
>>> publicized for shock value) top retailers in their lawsuit even
>>> though the responsibility of organic certification lies with the
>>> manufacturer and the USDA itself.
>> The Bush USDA gave Aurora the green light to label non-organic
>> milk as organic. Everybody in the chain, at least after a
>> certain point in time, should have known it wasn't organic
>> and should be held liable.
>
> I'm not sure I follow that. How were the retailers supposed to
> know it wasn't organic?
>
> -sw

Aren't these big box retailers the ones who constantly tell us they
really really care about us and carefully review the quality of
everything they sell?

"George" > wrote in message
. ..
>
> Aren't these big box retailers the ones who constantly tell us they really
> really care about us and carefully review the quality of everything they
> sell?


Of course, George. Just like everything else in life.
Dee Dee

On Thu, 13 Dec 2007 15:19:56 -0800, Mark Thorson >
wrote:

>Gregory Morrow wrote:
>>
>> As Rush Limbaugh said the other day, "Has anything ever been marketed
>> as 'inorganic'...???".
>
>Oxycontin?

don't forget the viagra.

good to see that greg relies on rush for his political insights,
though...

your pal,
blake

blake murphy wrote:

> On Thu, 13 Dec 2007 15:19:56 -0800, Mark Thorson >
> wrote:
>
> >Gregory Morrow wrote:
> >>
> >> As Rush Limbaugh said the other day, "Has anything ever been marketed
> >> as 'inorganic'...???".
> >
> >Oxycontin?
>
> don't forget the viagra.
>
> good to see that greg relies on rush for his political insights,
> though...


Lol...knew that'd draw some of you birds out...

;-p

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Greg

" I find Greg Morrow lowbrow, witless, and obnoxious. For him to claim that
we are some
kind of comedy team turns my stomach."
- "cybercat" to me on rec.food.cooking