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Old 09-07-2005, 08:01 AM
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Old 09-07-2005, 02:33 PM
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is all diabetic food low carb?


Not all food labeled as "diabetic" is low carb. Is that what you meant?
Those who recognize the usefulness of low carb to diabetics
(particularly type 2s) are still in the minority, at least as far as
institutions who would be labeling food go.

It's best to get a firm understanding of how different foods and carb
levels under what circumstances affect oneself (test, test, test... and
learn) rather than depending on someone else's definitions or categories.

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Many foods are labelled for diabetics, but in my opinion many are *far* too
high in carbs. For example, I ordered several "diabetic" cookbooks. When
they arrived, I found that the authors seemed to place almost no emphasis on
restricting carbs.

Not for me!

MaryL


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Old 09-07-2005, 07:37 PM
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is all diabetic food low carb?


What exactly is "diabetic food"? I do not eat anything labeled as such.
The things I've seen sporting this label are usually loaded with sugar
alcohols. I don't eat those. And there is no one diabetic diet. Not all
of us do low carb.

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Old 09-07-2005, 08:33 PM
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On Sat, 9 Jul 2005 03:01:06 -0400, "cc0104007"
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is all diabetic food low carb?


What is "diabetic food"? I thought food was food. There are some foods
that some diabetics should eat in controlled quantities, depending on
the type of diabetes and their tolerance to carbs.

I suggest you stay away from anything labeled "diabetic food" and buy
real fresh food.

Andrea2


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Old 09-07-2005, 11:16 PM
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Julie Bove wrote:
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In my short time of being diagnosed as diabetic I have NOT found a diabetic
labeled food as of yet that I could use. I have NOT found a diabetic
cookbook either that I could actually use ANY recipe in the cookbook without
worry. I have had to come up with my own food list I can eat, and list
that I can't eat. I am type II. No meds. Hanging in there with a A1C of
6.0.


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The reason I was asking is that there is an Atkins Diet board that has a
diabetic Forum. I just wanted to confirm its 100% accuracy here is the
link to the diabetic forum the
http://www.atkinsdietbulletinboard.c...splay.php?f=37

Can someone take a look and see if this is generally good advice?




"MaryL" -OUT-THE-LITTER wrote in message
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"cc0104007" wrote in message
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is all diabetic food low carb?



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Many foods are labelled for diabetics, but in my opinion many are *far*
too high in carbs. For example, I ordered several "diabetic" cookbooks.
When they arrived, I found that the authors seemed to place almost no
emphasis on restricting carbs.

Not for me!

MaryL



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Old 17-07-2005, 09:26 PM
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Don't look for 100% accuracy when opinions are involved.

Your question still needs clarification.

If you are asking about packaged and processed food that has "DIABETIC"
on the label... then NO, not all of it is low carb. Much of it is just
as high in carbs as it's non DIABETIC labeled cousins.

If you are asking whether the Atkins plan is low carb... then YES it is.

If you are asking whether the Atkins plan CAN be used by diabetics...
then YES it can.

If you are asking wheter the Atkins plan SHOULD be used by diabetics...
then that is a question that will bring various answers.

If you are asking me, my opinion... then here it is... the advice I give
all those diabetics who are wondering how to figure out their carb intake.


Sounds like you're planning a move to take control of your diabetes... good
for you.

There is so much to absorb... you don't have to rush into anything. Begin
by using your best weapon in this war, your meter. You won't keel over
today, you have time to experiment, test, learn, test and figure out just
how your body and this disease are getting along. The most important
thing you can do to learn about yourself and diabetes is test test test.

More than most anything, what you eat will affect your diabetes and
your blood glucose numbers.

And more than anything you eat, carbs will affect your diabetes and
your blood glucose numbers.

So, the most important information you can begin to compile about
yourself, is how your body handles carbs.

This sounds like you would need a low carb food plan right?

You don't... what you need to uncover is YOUR Personalized Carb Number.

Which actually works better for most everyone. Because low to one
person is wildly high to another, but waaaaay too low for someone
else.

Is low carb less than 30g a day? Is it anything less than the
Pyramid reccomendations?

Finding your Personalized Carb Number is easy.

Here's how you can figure out your own Personalized Carb Number.

The single biggest question a diabetic has to answer is:

What do I eat?

Unfortunately, the answer is pretty confusing.

What confounds us all is the fact that different diabetics can get great
results on wildly different food plans. Some of us here achieve
great blood glucose control eating a high complex carbohydrate diet.
Others find that anything over 75 - 100g of carbs a day is too
much. Still others are somewhere in between.

At the beginning all of us felt frustrated. We wanted to be handed
THE way to eat, to ensure our continued health. But we all
learned that there is no one way. Each of us had to find our own path,
using the experience of those that went before, but still having
to discover for ourselves how OUR bodies and this disease were coexisting.

Ask questions, but remember each of us discovered on our own what works best
for us. You can use our experiences as jumping off points, but eventually
you'll work up a successful plan that is yours alone.

What you are looking to discover is how different foods affect you. As I'm
sure you've read, carbohydrates (sugars, wheat, rice... the things our
Grandmas called "starches") raise blood sugars the most rapidly. Protein
and fat do raise them, but not as high and much more slowly... so if you're
a T2, generally the insulin your body still makes may take care of the rise.

You might want to try some experiments.

First: Eat whatever you've been
currently eating... but write it all down.
Test yourself at the following times:

Upon waking (fasting)
1 hour after each meal
2 hours after each meal
At bedtime

That means 8 x each day. What you will discover by this is how long
after a meal your highest reading comes... and how fast you return to
"normal". Also, you may see that a meal that included bread, fruit or
other carbs gives you a higher reading.

Then for the next few days, try to curb your carbs. Eliminate breads,
cereals, rices, beans, any wheat products, potato, corn, fruit... get all
your carbs from veggies. Test at the same schedule above.

If you try this for a few days, you may find some pretty damn good
readings. It's worth a few days to discover.

Eventually you can slowly add back carbs until you see them affecting your
meter.

The thing about this disease... though we share much in common and we
need to
follow certain guidelines... in the end, each of our bodies dictate our
treatment and our success.

The closer we get to non-diabetic numbers, the greater chance we have of
avoiding horrible complications. The key here is AIM... I know that
everyone is at a different point in their disease... and it is progressive.
But, if we aim for the best numbers and do our best, we give ourselves the
best shot at heath we've got.
That's all we can do.

Here's my opinion on what numbers to aim for, they are non-diabetic numbers.

FBG under 100
One hour after meals under 140
Two hours after meals under 120

or for those in the mmol parts of the world:

Fasting Under 6
One hour after meals Under 8
Two hours after meals Under 6.5

Recent studies have indicated that the most important numbers are your
"after meal" numbers. They may be the most indicative of future
complications, especially heart problems.

Listen to your doctor, but you are the leader of your diabetic
care team. While his /her advice is learned, it is not absolute. You
will end up knowing much more about your body and how it's handling
diabetes than your doctor will. Your meter is your best weapon.

Just remember, we're not in a race or a competition with anyone but
ourselves... Play around with your food plan... TEST TEST TEST. Learn what
foods cause spikes, what foods cause cravings... Use your body as a science
experiment.

You'll read about a lot of different ways people use to control their
diabetes... Many are diametrically opposed. After awhile you'll learn that
there is no one size fits all around here. Take some time to experiment
and you'll soon discover the plan that works for you.

Best of luck!

Jennifer


cc0104007 wrote:

The reason I was asking is that there is an Atkins Diet board that has a
diabetic Forum. I just wanted to confirm its 100% accuracy here is the
link to the diabetic forum the
http://www.atkinsdietbulletinboard.c...splay.php?f=37

Can someone take a look and see if this is generally good advice?




"MaryL" -OUT-THE-LITTER wrote in message
news:W%[email protected]

"cc0104007" wrote in message
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is all diabetic food low carb?



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http://www.atkinsdietbulletinboard.com



Many foods are labelled for diabetics, but in my opinion many are *far*
too high in carbs. For example, I ordered several "diabetic" cookbooks.
When they arrived, I found that the authors seemed to place almost no
emphasis on restricting carbs.

Not for me!

MaryL





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On Sun, 17 Jul 2005 16:06:18 -0400, "cc0104007" wrote:

The reason I was asking is that there is an Atkins Diet board that has a
diabetic Forum. I just wanted to confirm its 100% accuracy here is the
link to the diabetic forum the
http://www.atkinsdietbulletinboard.c...splay.php?f=37

Can someone take a look and see if this is generally good advice?


Seems like an unsolicited advertisement for this stupid web forum to me,
but... just in case:

No, I'm not going to take a look at some web board to get advice on my
health condition, thank you very much. I made a point of researching the
condition by reading information from *credible* sources so I would know
the best way to handle my particular version of diabetes.

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thought, 'Wouldn't it be much worse if life *were* fair, and all the
terrible things that happened to us come because we actually deserved
them?' So now I take great comfort in the general hostility and
unfairness of the universe."
- Marcus, Babylon 5, "A Late Delivery from Avalon"
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"cc0104007" wrote in message
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The reason I was asking is that there is an Atkins Diet board that has a
diabetic Forum. I just wanted to confirm its 100% accuracy here is the
link to the diabetic forum the
http://www.atkinsdietbulletinboard.c...splay.php?f=37

Can someone take a look and see if this is generally good advice?


First let me say that I don't do Atkins. I have read the book and that kind
of diet would not work for me. I looked at your link and read some of the
postings there. I'm not going to read them all. Just not that interested.
Some of what I see there seems fine. And some is just wacky. Such as
Splenda causing spikes in some people. Yes, the filler in Splenda contains
carbs but you'd have to consume a ton of it to get a spike from it, I should
think.

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A bit late in this thread but I cast my mind back six years when on another
diabetic news group I asked advice in my sugar levels and diatry needs. The
"GI" diet was in it's infancy then and was reccomended to to me, It has been
renamed the "GL" diet now. I have never looked back since then. Does it work
for everyone? That I cannot say for sure but it must be worth two weeks
trial out of a life. *This is not advice. Just my own observation for you to
try if you want to. If you do, good luck and low sugars.
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"cc0104007" wrote in message
...
The reason I was asking is that there is an Atkins Diet board that has a
diabetic Forum. I just wanted to confirm its 100% accuracy here is the
link to the diabetic forum the
http://www.atkinsdietbulletinboard.c...splay.php?f=37

Can someone take a look and see if this is generally good advice?


First let me say that I don't do Atkins. I have read the book and that
kind
of diet would not work for me. I looked at your link and read some of the
postings there. I'm not going to read them all. Just not that
interested.
Some of what I see there seems fine. And some is just wacky. Such as
Splenda causing spikes in some people. Yes, the filler in Splenda
contains
carbs but you'd have to consume a ton of it to get a spike from it, I
should
think.

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See my webpage:
http://mysite.verizon.net/juliebove/index.htm






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