I am trying to find something for my diabetic dad to drink. I know that he
loves juice! Not long before he went into the adult group home, he
complained to us that you could no longer buy single serve juices! I knew
this wasn't true. He said he had looked at Albertsons and they had none.
Since there is an Albertson's near Angela's dance studio I am very familiar
with that store. They have some. I was concerned because based on what I
had heard my mom say, he needed some for hypos. So on the way to their
house, we stopped at a little mini store for drinks for ourselves. They had
a small can of pineapple juice, chilled. We bought it, took it to him and
watched in horror as he downed it, right after lunch!

Fast forward to now. He is in this place where they do not make him drink.
And they have been concerned several times about him possibly having a UTI
again. So he keeps having to go to the Dr. for that. He hasn't had any
but... Mostly he only drinks just enough water to swallow his pills. And
that's maybe an ounce or two at best with meals. Not enough!

For a while he was refusing to drink at all, swallowing his pills dry. They
serve Crystal Light with meals which he says is awful and he won't drink it.
He used to love the stuff but... He has dementia. Won't get into the
particulars of that here but from what I have heard/read, it either changes
the taste buds or does something mentally. But bottom line, the suffers
think they no longer like things that they used to. My mom finally
suggested that he get plain water and he will at least drink a little of
that.

He used to drink coffee and tea but gave those up because of the caffeine.
Also gave up all diet soda and anything fizzy. Not sure that he ever liked
lemonade. Never saw him drink that. I know that he used to drink tomato
juice and V8 when I was a kid but I think that was more due to the diet that
he put himself on and not because he likes them. He says that he doesn't
like them.

I had been bringing him single serve diet Cranberry juices and he was
happily downing them. Until the last bottle. He managed to finish it but
kept making faces and saying that it was horrible! He will occasionally
accept and partially drink a bottle of water but we really have to keep on
him to drink any. I have some new fruit flavored drinks. Can't remember
what they are called. Not fizzy. Won't try them.

So my question is... Are there any other diet juices out there? I used to
buy some V8 Splash and it was good but I can't seem to find it in diet.
Would prefer single serve but if I can't get that I could bring a larger one
and some cups. Have not looked at every store but have looked at maybe 3 or
4 and came up dry. Have found some "light" apple juice but it's still
pretty high in carbs.

Or do you have any other drink suggestions? He can't have dairy. He was
using rice milk at home on his cereal but he doesn't like to drink that.
Thanks!

Julie Bove > wrote:
: I am trying to find something for my diabetic dad to drink. I know that he
: loves juice! Not long before he went into the adult group home, he
: complained to us that you could no longer buy single serve juices! I knew
: this wasn't true. He said he had looked at Albertsons and they had none.

have you tried the flavoed waters that com ein about 8-12 oz sizes? How
about plain V-8 or tomato juice?

Wendy

"W. Baker" > wrote in message
...
> Julie Bove > wrote:
> : I am trying to find something for my diabetic dad to drink. I know that
> he
> : loves juice! Not long before he went into the adult group home, he
> : complained to us that you could no longer buy single serve juices! I
> knew
> : this wasn't true. He said he had looked at Albertsons and they had
> none.
>
> have you tried the flavoed waters that com ein about 8-12 oz sizes? How
> about plain V-8 or tomato juice?

As I said... He won't drink flavored water, tomato or V8 juice.

Try him on some H2 Orange..which is a big insulated mug 3/4 full of ice water to which has been added 1/4 part orange juice. Let him sip on it all day. Also works with grape juice or wine. Would not give him anything with artificial sweeteners since those are dangerous.

"bigwheel" > wrote in message
...

> Try him on some H2 Orange..which is a big insulated mug 3/4 full of ice
> water to which has been added 1/4 part orange juice. Let him sip on it
> all day. Also works with grape juice or wine. Would not give him
> anything with artificial sweeteners since those are dangerous.

No, artificial sweeteners are not dangerous and he can't sip on something
like that all day. Nor could I give him anything like that. I have no such
mug nor do I keep ice. He also can't have stuff like full strength juice
because that would require him to take more Creon.

Julie Bove wrote:
> I am trying to find something for my diabetic dad to drink. I know that he
> loves juice! Not long before he went into the adult group home, he
> complained to us that you could no longer buy single serve juices! I knew
> this wasn't true. He said he had looked at Albertsons and they had none.
> Since there is an Albertson's near Angela's dance studio I am very familiar
> with that store. They have some. I was concerned because based on what I
> had heard my mom say, he needed some for hypos. So on the way to their
> house, we stopped at a little mini store for drinks for ourselves. They had
> a small can of pineapple juice, chilled. We bought it, took it to him and
> watched in horror as he downed it, right after lunch!
>
> Fast forward to now. He is in this place where they do not make him drink.
> And they have been concerned several times about him possibly having a UTI
> again. So he keeps having to go to the Dr. for that. He hasn't had any
> but... Mostly he only drinks just enough water to swallow his pills. And
> that's maybe an ounce or two at best with meals. Not enough!
>
> For a while he was refusing to drink at all, swallowing his pills dry. They
> serve Crystal Light with meals which he says is awful and he won't drink it.
> He used to love the stuff but... He has dementia. Won't get into the
> particulars of that here but from what I have heard/read, it either changes
> the taste buds or does something mentally. But bottom line, the suffers
> think they no longer like things that they used to. My mom finally
> suggested that he get plain water and he will at least drink a little of
> that.
>
> He used to drink coffee and tea but gave those up because of the caffeine.
> Also gave up all diet soda and anything fizzy. Not sure that he ever liked
> lemonade. Never saw him drink that. I know that he used to drink tomato
> juice and V8 when I was a kid but I think that was more due to the diet that
> he put himself on and not because he likes them. He says that he doesn't
> like them.
>
> I had been bringing him single serve diet Cranberry juices and he was
> happily downing them. Until the last bottle. He managed to finish it but
> kept making faces and saying that it was horrible! He will occasionally
> accept and partially drink a bottle of water but we really have to keep on
> him to drink any. I have some new fruit flavored drinks. Can't remember
> what they are called. Not fizzy. Won't try them.
>
> So my question is... Are there any other diet juices out there? I used to
> buy some V8 Splash and it was good but I can't seem to find it in diet.
> Would prefer single serve but if I can't get that I could bring a larger one
> and some cups. Have not looked at every store but have looked at maybe 3 or
> 4 and came up dry. Have found some "light" apple juice but it's still
> pretty high in carbs.
>
> Or do you have any other drink suggestions? He can't have dairy. He was
> using rice milk at home on his cereal but he doesn't like to drink that.
> Thanks!
>
>
I like some of the Fuze beverages. Some are LC, and some or not.

--
Jean B.

"Jean B." > wrote in message
...
> Julie Bove wrote:
>> I am trying to find something for my diabetic dad to drink. I know that
>> he loves juice! Not long before he went into the adult group home, he
>> complained to us that you could no longer buy single serve juices! I
>> knew this wasn't true. He said he had looked at Albertsons and they had
>> none. Since there is an Albertson's near Angela's dance studio I am very
>> familiar with that store. They have some. I was concerned because based
>> on what I had heard my mom say, he needed some for hypos. So on the way
>> to their house, we stopped at a little mini store for drinks for
>> ourselves. They had a small can of pineapple juice, chilled. We bought
>> it, took it to him and watched in horror as he downed it, right after
>> lunch!
>>
>> Fast forward to now. He is in this place where they do not make him
>> drink. And they have been concerned several times about him possibly
>> having a UTI again. So he keeps having to go to the Dr. for that. He
>> hasn't had any but... Mostly he only drinks just enough water to swallow
>> his pills. And that's maybe an ounce or two at best with meals. Not
>> enough!
>>
>> For a while he was refusing to drink at all, swallowing his pills dry.
>> They serve Crystal Light with meals which he says is awful and he won't
>> drink it. He used to love the stuff but... He has dementia. Won't get
>> into the particulars of that here but from what I have heard/read, it
>> either changes the taste buds or does something mentally. But bottom
>> line, the suffers think they no longer like things that they used to. My
>> mom finally suggested that he get plain water and he will at least drink
>> a little of that.
>>
>> He used to drink coffee and tea but gave those up because of the
>> caffeine. Also gave up all diet soda and anything fizzy. Not sure that
>> he ever liked lemonade. Never saw him drink that. I know that he used
>> to drink tomato juice and V8 when I was a kid but I think that was more
>> due to the diet that he put himself on and not because he likes them. He
>> says that he doesn't like them.
>>
>> I had been bringing him single serve diet Cranberry juices and he was
>> happily downing them. Until the last bottle. He managed to finish it
>> but kept making faces and saying that it was horrible! He will
>> occasionally accept and partially drink a bottle of water but we really
>> have to keep on him to drink any. I have some new fruit flavored drinks.
>> Can't remember what they are called. Not fizzy. Won't try them.
>>
>> So my question is... Are there any other diet juices out there? I used
>> to buy some V8 Splash and it was good but I can't seem to find it in
>> diet. Would prefer single serve but if I can't get that I could bring a
>> larger one and some cups. Have not looked at every store but have looked
>> at maybe 3 or 4 and came up dry. Have found some "light" apple juice but
>> it's still pretty high in carbs.
>>
>> Or do you have any other drink suggestions? He can't have dairy. He was
>> using rice milk at home on his cereal but he doesn't like to drink that.
>> Thanks!
> I like some of the Fuze beverages. Some are LC, and some or not.

I have bought those for Angela. Not sure he would drink them because they
have vitamins in them, I think. But I will look again. I did find some
Diet V8 Splash and bought a bottle. Not sure he will drink it because it
has mango in it. I know I won't! But it also has pineapple which he loves
and kiwi. Maybe I can at least get him to try it.

Julie Bove wrote:
> "Jean B." > wrote in message
> ...
>> Julie Bove wrote:
>>> I am trying to find something for my diabetic dad to drink. I know that
>>> he loves juice! Not long before he went into the adult group home, he
>>> complained to us that you could no longer buy single serve juices! I
>>> knew this wasn't true. He said he had looked at Albertsons and they had
>>> none. Since there is an Albertson's near Angela's dance studio I am very
>>> familiar with that store. They have some. I was concerned because based
>>> on what I had heard my mom say, he needed some for hypos. So on the way
>>> to their house, we stopped at a little mini store for drinks for
>>> ourselves. They had a small can of pineapple juice, chilled. We bought
>>> it, took it to him and watched in horror as he downed it, right after
>>> lunch!
>>>
>>> Fast forward to now. He is in this place where they do not make him
>>> drink. And they have been concerned several times about him possibly
>>> having a UTI again. So he keeps having to go to the Dr. for that. He
>>> hasn't had any but... Mostly he only drinks just enough water to swallow
>>> his pills. And that's maybe an ounce or two at best with meals. Not
>>> enough!
>>>
>>> For a while he was refusing to drink at all, swallowing his pills dry.
>>> They serve Crystal Light with meals which he says is awful and he won't
>>> drink it. He used to love the stuff but... He has dementia. Won't get
>>> into the particulars of that here but from what I have heard/read, it
>>> either changes the taste buds or does something mentally. But bottom
>>> line, the suffers think they no longer like things that they used to. My
>>> mom finally suggested that he get plain water and he will at least drink
>>> a little of that.
>>>
>>> He used to drink coffee and tea but gave those up because of the
>>> caffeine. Also gave up all diet soda and anything fizzy. Not sure that
>>> he ever liked lemonade. Never saw him drink that. I know that he used
>>> to drink tomato juice and V8 when I was a kid but I think that was more
>>> due to the diet that he put himself on and not because he likes them. He
>>> says that he doesn't like them.
>>>
>>> I had been bringing him single serve diet Cranberry juices and he was
>>> happily downing them. Until the last bottle. He managed to finish it
>>> but kept making faces and saying that it was horrible! He will
>>> occasionally accept and partially drink a bottle of water but we really
>>> have to keep on him to drink any. I have some new fruit flavored drinks.
>>> Can't remember what they are called. Not fizzy. Won't try them.
>>>
>>> So my question is... Are there any other diet juices out there? I used
>>> to buy some V8 Splash and it was good but I can't seem to find it in
>>> diet. Would prefer single serve but if I can't get that I could bring a
>>> larger one and some cups. Have not looked at every store but have looked
>>> at maybe 3 or 4 and came up dry. Have found some "light" apple juice but
>>> it's still pretty high in carbs.
>>>
>>> Or do you have any other drink suggestions? He can't have dairy. He was
>>> using rice milk at home on his cereal but he doesn't like to drink that.
>>> Thanks!
>> I like some of the Fuze beverages. Some are LC, and some or not.
>
> I have bought those for Angela. Not sure he would drink them because they
> have vitamins in them, I think. But I will look again. I did find some
> Diet V8 Splash and bought a bottle. Not sure he will drink it because it
> has mango in it. I know I won't! But it also has pineapple which he loves
> and kiwi. Maybe I can at least get him to try it.
>
>
I guess I should ask whether he need to consume MORE calories, in
which case you might look at the non-diet ones.

--
Jean B.

"Jean B." > wrote in message
...
> I guess I should ask whether he need to consume MORE calories, in which
> case you might look at the non-diet ones.

He needs the diet. Because of other issues. He is losing weight but he is
overweight.

You might want to go get yourself educated a bit before starting the gum flapping.

Artificial Sweeteners -- More Dangerous than You Ever Imagined

"bigwheel" > wrote in message
...
>
> 'Julie Bove[_2_ Wrote:
>> ;1844149']"bigwheel" wrote in
>> message
>> ...
>> -
>> Try him on some H2 Orange..which is a big insulated mug 3/4 full of
>> ice
>> water to which has been added 1/4 part orange juice. Let him sip on it
>> all day. Also works with grape juice or wine. Would not give him
>> anything with artificial sweeteners since those are dangerous.-
>>
>> No, artificial sweeteners are not dangerous and he can't sip on
>> something
>> like that all day. Nor could I give him anything like that. I have no
>> such
>> mug nor do I keep ice. He also can't have stuff like full strength
>> juice
>> because that would require him to take more Creon.
>
> You might want to go get yourself educated a bit before starting the gum
> flapping.
>
> 'Artificial Sweeteners -- More Dangerous than You Ever Imagined'
> (http://tinyurl.com/ldw56nc)

No, you might! Mercola is a quack!

http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/for-shame-dr-oz/

http://www.quackwatch.org/11Ind/mercola.html

"Julie Bove" > wrote in message
...
>
> "bigwheel" > wrote in message
> ...
>>
>> 'Julie Bove[_2_ Wrote:
>>> ;1844149']"bigwheel" wrote in
>>> message
>>> ...
>>> -
>>> Try him on some H2 Orange..which is a big insulated mug 3/4 full of
>>> ice
>>> water to which has been added 1/4 part orange juice. Let him sip on it
>>> all day. Also works with grape juice or wine. Would not give him
>>> anything with artificial sweeteners since those are dangerous.-
>>>
>>> No, artificial sweeteners are not dangerous and he can't sip on
>>> something
>>> like that all day. Nor could I give him anything like that. I have no
>>> such
>>> mug nor do I keep ice. He also can't have stuff like full strength
>>> juice
>>> because that would require him to take more Creon.
>>
>> You might want to go get yourself educated a bit before starting the gum
>> flapping.
>>
>> 'Artificial Sweeteners -- More Dangerous than You Ever Imagined'
>> (http://tinyurl.com/ldw56nc)
>
> No, you might! Mercola is a quack!



For sure.

Cheri

On 7/4/2013 10:44 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
> "Jean B." > wrote in message
> ...
>> I guess I should ask whether he need to consume MORE calories, in which
>> case you might look at the non-diet ones.
>
> He needs the diet. Because of other issues. He is losing weight but he is
> overweight.
>
>

My DH likes the "diet" juices from Ocean Spray and the similar, but
cheaper ones under the Great Value Walmart brand.

--
Janet Wilder
Way-the-heck-south Texas
Spelling doesn't count. Cooking does.

"Janet Wilder" > wrote in message
eb.com...
> On 7/4/2013 10:44 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>> "Jean B." > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> I guess I should ask whether he need to consume MORE calories, in which
>>> case you might look at the non-diet ones.
>>
>> He needs the diet. Because of other issues. He is losing weight but he
>> is
>> overweight.
>>
>>
>
> My DH likes the "diet" juices from Ocean Spray and the similar, but
> cheaper ones under the Great Value Walmart brand.

Alas he won't drink Cranberry any more. He did like that V8 Splash that I
bought but I need to try to find it in a smaller container.

The only quacks I see around here are you two.

The Health Dangers of Artificial Sweeteners

"Susan" > wrote in message
...

> See my reply to Cheri; I'm sure you're both right, at least for the bg
> aspect, but there is a collection of very good evidence (and even Dr.
> Atkins warned of the possibility) now that artificially sweetened products
> contribute to hunger, weight gain, increased glucose and insulin
> secretion.

> Susan


Well, nothing wrong with posting the warnings at any rate. :-)

Cheri

"bigwheel" > wrote in message
...
>
> 'Cheri[_3_ Wrote:
>> ;1846136']"Julie Bove" wrote in message
>> ...-
>>
>>
>> "bigwheel" wrote in message
>> ...-
>>
>> 'Julie Bove[_2_ Wrote:-
>> ;1844149']"bigwheel" wrote in
>> message
>> ...
>> -
>> Try him on some H2 Orange..which is a big insulated mug 3/4 full of
>> ice
>> water to which has been added 1/4 part orange juice. Let him sip on it
>> all day. Also works with grape juice or wine. Would not give him
>> anything with artificial sweeteners since those are dangerous.-
>>
>> No, artificial sweeteners are not dangerous and he can't sip on
>> something
>> like that all day. Nor could I give him anything like that. I have
>> no
>> such
>> mug nor do I keep ice. He also can't have stuff like full strength
>> juice
>> because that would require him to take more Creon.-
>>
>> You might want to go get yourself educated a bit before starting the
>> gum
>> flapping.
>>
>> 'Artificial Sweeteners -- More Dangerous than You Ever Imagined'
>> (http://tinyurl.com/ldw56nc)-
>>
>> No, you might! Mercola is a quack!-
>>
>>
>>
>> For sure.
>>
>> Cheri
>
> The only quacks I see around here are you two.

Says the trolling little trout.

Cheri

x-no-archive; yes

On 7/6/2013 6:23 PM, W. Baker wrote:
> thatis eactly what the OP on the "warning" ws implying. It was one of
> those"avoid at all costs" and Stevia is fine kind of arguments. That s
> what I am objecting to. for most poeple an occsional artificially
> sweetened soft drink or othe food should have no problem, I would guess
> that even a small amount in coffee or tea, as opposed to diet coke, sy,
> also would nt be a prolbem. I do get exercised by these all or nothing
> kind of positions that so often seem to occur here and on asd.


Wendy, that was me you quoted above your objection, not the OP.

I just shared a concern that's been borne out by research in the case of
someone who's hooked on sweet drinks. Just a point of info, not a call
for a ban.

I promise I didn't type it onto a stone tablet. ;-)

Susan

"Cheri" wrote in message ...

"Susan" > wrote in message
...

> See my reply to Cheri; I'm sure you're both right, at least for the bg
> aspect, but there is a collection of very good evidence (and even Dr.
> Atkins warned of the possibility) now that artificially sweetened
> products contribute to hunger, weight gain, increased glucose and
> insulin secretion.

> Susan


Well, nothing wrong with posting the warnings at any rate. :-)

Cheri

===============

True, but for myself, I am lucky to use an AS once a month and then it
is only a sachet of stevia in my rare cappuccino. Might make a
difference to people who sweeten things all day every day. I was lucky
in a way that when I went to WW at 20 the only available sweetener was
saccharine. It was so vile I weaned myself off the 3-4 sugars I had in
tea over a period of a few weeks. Now I hate tea with even half a
teaspoon of sugar.

"Ozgirl" > wrote in message
...
>
>
> "Cheri" wrote in message ...
>
> "Susan" > wrote in message
> ...
>
>> See my reply to Cheri; I'm sure you're both right, at least for the bg
>> aspect, but there is a collection of very good evidence (and even Dr.
>> Atkins warned of the possibility) now that artificially sweetened
>> products contribute to hunger, weight gain, increased glucose and insulin
>> secretion.
>
>> Susan
>
>
> Well, nothing wrong with posting the warnings at any rate. :-)
>
> Cheri
>
> ===============
>
> True, but for myself, I am lucky to use an AS once a month and then it is
> only a sachet of stevia in my rare cappuccino. Might make a difference to
> people who sweeten things all day every day. I was lucky in a way that
> when I went to WW at 20 the only available sweetener was saccharine. It
> was so vile I weaned myself off the 3-4 sugars I had in tea over a period
> of a few weeks. Now I hate tea with even half a teaspoon of sugar.

I don't drink soda much at all, or use too much AS anymore. I used to put
five packets in a cup of tea, but not anymore. I just got tired of it.

Cheri

"Ozgirl" > wrote in message
...
>
>
> "Cheri" wrote in message ...
>
> "Susan" > wrote in message
> ...
>
>> See my reply to Cheri; I'm sure you're both right, at least for the bg
>> aspect, but there is a collection of very good evidence (and even Dr.
>> Atkins warned of the possibility) now that artificially sweetened
>> products contribute to hunger, weight gain, increased glucose and insulin
>> secretion.
>
>> Susan
>
>
> Well, nothing wrong with posting the warnings at any rate. :-)
>
> Cheri
>
> ===============
>
> True, but for myself, I am lucky to use an AS once a month and then it is
> only a sachet of stevia in my rare cappuccino. Might make a difference to
> people who sweeten things all day every day. I was lucky in a way that
> when I went to WW at 20 the only available sweetener was saccharine. It
> was so vile I weaned myself off the 3-4 sugars I had in tea over a period
> of a few weeks. Now I hate tea with even half a teaspoon of sugar.

Oh now I LOVED that stuff! Was furious when they changed the formulation of
Tab. It was the bitter aftertaste that I loved! Now I think it is half
that and half Nutrasweet. Tastes pretty much the same as diet Coke to me.

"Cheri" wrote in message ...

"Ozgirl" > wrote in message
...
>
>
> "Cheri" wrote in message ...
>
> "Susan" > wrote in message
> ...
>
>> See my reply to Cheri; I'm sure you're both right, at least for the
>> bg aspect, but there is a collection of very good evidence (and even
>> Dr. Atkins warned of the possibility) now that artificially sweetened
>> products contribute to hunger, weight gain, increased glucose and
>> insulin secretion.
>
>> Susan
>
>
> Well, nothing wrong with posting the warnings at any rate. :-)
>
> Cheri
>
> ===============
>
> True, but for myself, I am lucky to use an AS once a month and then it
> is only a sachet of stevia in my rare cappuccino. Might make a
> difference to people who sweeten things all day every day. I was lucky
> in a way that when I went to WW at 20 the only available sweetener was
> saccharine. It was so vile I weaned myself off the 3-4 sugars I had in
> tea over a period of a few weeks. Now I hate tea with even half a
> teaspoon of sugar.

I don't drink soda much at all, or use too much AS anymore. I used to
put
five packets in a cup of tea, but not anymore. I just got tired of it.

Cheri

===================

I do have the occasional glass of diet coke but it would be if someone
brought it into the house. We almost all drink just water here with
maybe a daily cuppa. One son likes Iced Tea so he brings that home
sometimes.

"Ozgirl" > wrote in message
...
>
>
> "Cheri" wrote in message ...
>
> "Ozgirl" > wrote in message
> ...
>>
>>
>> "Cheri" wrote in message ...
>>
>> "Susan" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>
>>> See my reply to Cheri; I'm sure you're both right, at least for the bg
>>> aspect, but there is a collection of very good evidence (and even Dr.
>>> Atkins warned of the possibility) now that artificially sweetened
>>> products contribute to hunger, weight gain, increased glucose and
>>> insulin secretion.
>>
>>> Susan
>>
>>
>> Well, nothing wrong with posting the warnings at any rate. :-)
>>
>> Cheri
>>
>> ===============
>>
>> True, but for myself, I am lucky to use an AS once a month and then it is
>> only a sachet of stevia in my rare cappuccino. Might make a difference to
>> people who sweeten things all day every day. I was lucky in a way that
>> when I went to WW at 20 the only available sweetener was saccharine. It
>> was so vile I weaned myself off the 3-4 sugars I had in tea over a period
>> of a few weeks. Now I hate tea with even half a teaspoon of sugar.
>
> I don't drink soda much at all, or use too much AS anymore. I used to put
> five packets in a cup of tea, but not anymore. I just got tired of it.
>
> Cheri
>
> ===================
>
> I do have the occasional glass of diet coke but it would be if someone
> brought it into the house. We almost all drink just water here with maybe
> a daily cuppa. One son likes Iced Tea so he brings that home sometimes.
>


I did enjoy some A&W Diet Root Beer on the 4th, but I really think it was
the added 1/2 cup of vanilla ice cream that made it taste that good. :-)

Cheri