In article >, "Julie Bove" >
wrote:

> My birthday is coming up and once again there is the fight with my mom over
> what kind of cake or whatever I want. Every year since I was able to talk,
> I said I didn't want anything. And I truly did not! I have hardly ever
> eaten dessert. Don't like it. Don't want it. Don't need it! I have never
> ever liked cake *or* ice cream. Never!

Tell her you want Kobe Beef?

"Malcom "Mal" Reynolds" > wrote in message
...
> In article >, "Julie Bove"
> >
> wrote:
>
>> My birthday is coming up and once again there is the fight with my mom
>> over
>> what kind of cake or whatever I want. Every year since I was able to
>> talk,
>> I said I didn't want anything. And I truly did not! I have hardly ever
>> eaten dessert. Don't like it. Don't want it. Don't need it! I have
>> never
>> ever liked cake *or* ice cream. Never!
>
> Tell her you want Kobe Beef?

Why would I tell her that? I can't even digest beef! Unless it's ground
beef and I don't like meat.

In article >, "Julie Bove" >
wrote:

> "Malcom "Mal" Reynolds" > wrote in message
> ...
> > In article >, "Julie Bove"
> > >
> > wrote:
> >
> >> My birthday is coming up and once again there is the fight with my mom
> >> over
> >> what kind of cake or whatever I want. Every year since I was able to
> >> talk,
> >> I said I didn't want anything. And I truly did not! I have hardly ever
> >> eaten dessert. Don't like it. Don't want it. Don't need it! I have
> >> never
> >> ever liked cake *or* ice cream. Never!
> >
> > Tell her you want Kobe Beef?
>
> Why would I tell her that? I can't even digest beef! Unless it's ground
> beef and I don't like meat.

Copper River Salmon?

"Malcom "Mal" Reynolds" > wrote in message
...
> In article >, "Julie Bove"
> >
> wrote:
>
>> "Malcom "Mal" Reynolds" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> > In article >, "Julie Bove"
>> > >
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> >> My birthday is coming up and once again there is the fight with my mom
>> >> over
>> >> what kind of cake or whatever I want. Every year since I was able to
>> >> talk,
>> >> I said I didn't want anything. And I truly did not! I have hardly
>> >> ever
>> >> eaten dessert. Don't like it. Don't want it. Don't need it! I have
>> >> never
>> >> ever liked cake *or* ice cream. Never!
>> >
>> > Tell her you want Kobe Beef?
>>
>> Why would I tell her that? I can't even digest beef! Unless it's ground
>> beef and I don't like meat.
>
> Copper River Salmon?

I don't eat fish! I don't want food!

In article >, "Julie Bove" >
wrote:

> "Malcom "Mal" Reynolds" > wrote in message
> ...
> > In article >, "Julie Bove"
> > > wrote:
> >
> >> "Malcom "Mal" Reynolds" > wrote in message
> >> ...
> >> > In article >, "Julie Bove"
> >> > > wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> My birthday is coming up and once again there is the fight with my mom
> >> >> over what kind of cake or whatever I want. Every year since I was able
> >> >> to talk, I said I didn't want anything. And I truly did not! I have
> >> >> hardly ever eaten dessert. Don't like it. Don't want it. Don't need
> >> >> it! I have never ever liked cake *or* ice cream. Never!
> >> >
> >> > Tell her you want Kobe Beef?
> >>
> >> Why would I tell her that? I can't even digest beef! Unless it's ground
> >> beef and I don't like meat.
> >
> > Copper River Salmon?
>
> I don't eat fish! I don't want food!

You must get awfully hungry and lose lots of weight that way.

If she must satisfy her maternal urges to you, why not suggest that she donate a
cake to some local childrens home/hospital in your name?

"Malcom "Mal" Reynolds" > wrote in message
...
> In article >, "Julie Bove"
> >
> wrote:
>
>> "Malcom "Mal" Reynolds" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> > In article >, "Julie Bove"
>> > > wrote:
>> >
>> >> "Malcom "Mal" Reynolds" > wrote in
>> >> message
>> >> ...
>> >> > In article >, "Julie Bove"
>> >> > > wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >> My birthday is coming up and once again there is the fight with my
>> >> >> mom
>> >> >> over what kind of cake or whatever I want. Every year since I was
>> >> >> able
>> >> >> to talk, I said I didn't want anything. And I truly did not! I
>> >> >> have
>> >> >> hardly ever eaten dessert. Don't like it. Don't want it. Don't
>> >> >> need
>> >> >> it! I have never ever liked cake *or* ice cream. Never!
>> >> >
>> >> > Tell her you want Kobe Beef?
>> >>
>> >> Why would I tell her that? I can't even digest beef! Unless it's
>> >> ground
>> >> beef and I don't like meat.
>> >
>> > Copper River Salmon?
>>
>> I don't eat fish! I don't want food!
>
> You must get awfully hungry and lose lots of weight that way.
>
> If she must satisfy her maternal urges to you, why not suggest that she
> donate a
> cake to some local childrens home/hospital in your name?

No I don't get hungry. I eat two meals a day. Occasionally three. I have
gastroparesis so slowed digestion. I don't usually get hungry.

And why should I donate a cake? That doesn't even make sense!

In article >, "Julie Bove" >
wrote:

> >> >> > Tell her you want Kobe Beef?
> >> >>
> >> >> Why would I tell her that? I can't even digest beef! Unless it's
> >> >> ground
> >> >> beef and I don't like meat.
> >> >
> >> > Copper River Salmon?
> >>
> >> I don't eat fish! I don't want food!
> >
> > You must get awfully hungry and lose lots of weight that way.
> >
> > If she must satisfy her maternal urges to you, why not suggest that she
> > donate a
> > cake to some local childrens home/hospital in your name?
>
> No I don't get hungry. I eat two meals a day. Occasionally three. I have
> gastroparesis so slowed digestion. I don't usually get hungry.
>
> And why should I donate a cake? That doesn't even make sense!

because as a doting daughter you really deep down want to make your mother happy
just as she wants to make you happy. IAE if you don't want food, why would her
donating a cake in your name matter one way or the other?

"Malcom "Mal" Reynolds" > wrote in message
...
> In article >, "Julie Bove"
> >
> wrote:
>
>> >> >> > Tell her you want Kobe Beef?
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Why would I tell her that? I can't even digest beef! Unless it's
>> >> >> ground
>> >> >> beef and I don't like meat.
>> >> >
>> >> > Copper River Salmon?
>> >>
>> >> I don't eat fish! I don't want food!
>> >
>> > You must get awfully hungry and lose lots of weight that way.
>> >
>> > If she must satisfy her maternal urges to you, why not suggest that she
>> > donate a
>> > cake to some local childrens home/hospital in your name?
>>
>> No I don't get hungry. I eat two meals a day. Occasionally three. I
>> have
>> gastroparesis so slowed digestion. I don't usually get hungry.
>>
>> And why should I donate a cake? That doesn't even make sense!
>
> because as a doting daughter you really deep down want to make your mother
> happy
> just as she wants to make you happy. IAE if you don't want food, why would
> her
> donating a cake in your name matter one way or the other?

Because it's JUNK food! People don't need to be eating that crap. I donate
food to the needy all the time. But wholesome food.

And donating something wouldn't make my mother happy. No, it would not!

In article >, "Julie Bove" >
wrote:

> "Malcom "Mal" Reynolds" > wrote in message
> ...
> > In article >, "Julie Bove"
> > > wrote:
> >
> >> >> >> > Tell her you want Kobe Beef?
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Why would I tell her that? I can't even digest beef! Unless it's
> >> >> >> ground beef and I don't like meat.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Copper River Salmon?
> >> >>
> >> >> I don't eat fish! I don't want food!
> >> >
> >> > You must get awfully hungry and lose lots of weight that way.
> >> >
> >> > If she must satisfy her maternal urges to you, why not suggest that she
> >> > donate a cake to some local childrens home/hospital in your name?
> >>
> >> No I don't get hungry. I eat two meals a day. Occasionally three. I
> >> have gastroparesis so slowed digestion. I don't usually get hungry.
> >>
> >> And why should I donate a cake? That doesn't even make sense!
> >
> > because as a doting daughter you really deep down want to make your mother
> > happy just as she wants to make you happy. IAE if you don't want food, why
> > would her donating a cake in your name matter one way or the other?
>
> Because it's JUNK food! People don't need to be eating that crap. I donate
> food to the needy all the time. But wholesome food.

Cake doesn't need to be junk food.


>
> And donating something wouldn't make my mother happy. No, it would not!


But it makes you happy

"Malcom "Mal" Reynolds" > wrote in message
...
> In article >, "Julie Bove"
> >
> wrote:
>
>> "Malcom "Mal" Reynolds" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> > In article >, "Julie Bove"
>> > > wrote:
>> >
>> >> >> >> > Tell her you want Kobe Beef?
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Why would I tell her that? I can't even digest beef! Unless
>> >> >> >> it's
>> >> >> >> ground beef and I don't like meat.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Copper River Salmon?
>> >> >>
>> >> >> I don't eat fish! I don't want food!
>> >> >
>> >> > You must get awfully hungry and lose lots of weight that way.
>> >> >
>> >> > If she must satisfy her maternal urges to you, why not suggest that
>> >> > she
>> >> > donate a cake to some local childrens home/hospital in your name?
>> >>
>> >> No I don't get hungry. I eat two meals a day. Occasionally three. I
>> >> have gastroparesis so slowed digestion. I don't usually get hungry.
>> >>
>> >> And why should I donate a cake? That doesn't even make sense!
>> >
>> > because as a doting daughter you really deep down want to make your
>> > mother
>> > happy just as she wants to make you happy. IAE if you don't want food,
>> > why
>> > would her donating a cake in your name matter one way or the other?
>>
>> Because it's JUNK food! People don't need to be eating that crap. I
>> donate
>> food to the needy all the time. But wholesome food.
>
> Cake doesn't need to be junk food.
>
>
>>
>> And donating something wouldn't make my mother happy. No, it would not!
>
>
> But it makes you happy

No. I donate wholesome stuff to people in need. Not junk.

In article >, "Julie Bove" >
wrote:



> > Cake doesn't need to be junk food.
> >
> >
> >>
> >> And donating something wouldn't make my mother happy. No, it would not!
> >
> >
> > But it makes you happy
>
> No. I donate wholesome stuff to people in need. Not junk.

I repeat my assertion that cake doesn't need to be junk food, which you haven't
debunked.

You donate wholesome stuff to people in need: does that make you happy?

On 6/21/2011 1:00 PM, Malcom "Mal" Reynolds wrote:
> In >, "Julie >
> wrote:
>
>
>
>>> Cake doesn't need to be junk food.
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> And donating something wouldn't make my mother happy. No, it would not!
>>>
>>>
>>> But it makes you happy
>>
>> No. I donate wholesome stuff to people in need. Not junk.
>
> I repeat my assertion that cake doesn't need to be junk food, which you haven't
> debunked.
>
> You donate wholesome stuff to people in need: does that make you happy?

Fresh Fruit Flan!

Pumpkin Pie

Angel Food cake with fresh strawberries



i love good 'treats'

kate

"Malcom "Mal" Reynolds" > wrote in message
...
> In article >, "Julie Bove"
> >
> wrote:
>
>
>
>> > Cake doesn't need to be junk food.
>> >
>> >
>> >>
>> >> And donating something wouldn't make my mother happy. No, it would
>> >> not!
>> >
>> >
>> > But it makes you happy
>>
>> No. I donate wholesome stuff to people in need. Not junk.
>
> I repeat my assertion that cake doesn't need to be junk food, which you
> haven't
> debunked.
>
> You donate wholesome stuff to people in need: does that make you happy?

I am not donating a cake to anyone. That just doesn't even make sense! And
I would certainly not donate something like that to a person in a hospital.
You do realize many of them are on special diets. Right?

"Tiger Lily" > wrote in message
...
> On 6/21/2011 1:00 PM, Malcom "Mal" Reynolds wrote:
>> In >, "Julie
>> >
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>> Cake doesn't need to be junk food.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> And donating something wouldn't make my mother happy. No, it would
>>>>> not!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> But it makes you happy
>>>
>>> No. I donate wholesome stuff to people in need. Not junk.
>>
>> I repeat my assertion that cake doesn't need to be junk food, which you
>> haven't
>> debunked.
>>
>> You donate wholesome stuff to people in need: does that make you happy?
>
> Fresh Fruit Flan!
>
> Pumpkin Pie
>
> Angel Food cake with fresh strawberries
>
>
>
> i love good 'treats'

You can have them then. None of those things are even slightly appealing to
me.

In article >, Tiger Lily >
wrote:

> On 6/21/2011 1:00 PM, Malcom "Mal" Reynolds wrote:
> > In >, "Julie
> > > wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >>> Cake doesn't need to be junk food.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>
> >>>> And donating something wouldn't make my mother happy. No, it would not!
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> But it makes you happy
> >>
> >> No. I donate wholesome stuff to people in need. Not junk.
> >
> > I repeat my assertion that cake doesn't need to be junk food, which you
> > haven't debunked.
> >
> > You donate wholesome stuff to people in need: does that make you happy?
>
> Fresh Fruit Flan!
>
> Pumpkin Pie
>
> Angel Food cake with fresh strawberries
>
>
>
> i love good 'treats'
>
> kate

Most normal humans do, so do lots of animals

In article >, "Julie Bove" >
wrote:

> "Malcom "Mal" Reynolds" > wrote in message
> ...
> > In article >, "Julie Bove"
> > >
> > wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >> > Cake doesn't need to be junk food.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >> And donating something wouldn't make my mother happy. No, it would
> >> >> not!
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > But it makes you happy
> >>
> >> No. I donate wholesome stuff to people in need. Not junk.
> >
> > I repeat my assertion that cake doesn't need to be junk food, which you
> > haven't
> > debunked.
> >
> > You donate wholesome stuff to people in need: does that make you happy?
>
> I am not donating a cake to anyone.

Failure to answer my question noted


> That just doesn't even make sense!

Not my fault that you don't know how to read my replies

And
> I would certainly not donate something like that to a person in a hospital.
> You do realize many of them are on special diets. Right?

You do realize that "many" is not "all"?

You do realize/remember that I mentioned other places besides hospitals?

You do realize despite your particular dietary punishment, others actually like
the occasional treat?

"Malcom "Mal" Reynolds" > wrote in message
...
> In article >, "Julie Bove"
> >
> wrote:
>
>> "Malcom "Mal" Reynolds" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> > In article >, "Julie Bove"
>> > >
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >> > Cake doesn't need to be junk food.
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >>
>> >> >> And donating something wouldn't make my mother happy. No, it would
>> >> >> not!
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > But it makes you happy
>> >>
>> >> No. I donate wholesome stuff to people in need. Not junk.
>> >
>> > I repeat my assertion that cake doesn't need to be junk food, which you
>> > haven't
>> > debunked.
>> >
>> > You donate wholesome stuff to people in need: does that make you happy?
>>
>> I am not donating a cake to anyone.
>
> Failure to answer my question noted
>
>
>> That just doesn't even make sense!
>
> Not my fault that you don't know how to read my replies
>
> And
>> I would certainly not donate something like that to a person in a
>> hospital.
>> You do realize many of them are on special diets. Right?
>
> You do realize that "many" is not "all"?
>
> You do realize/remember that I mentioned other places besides hospitals?
>
> You do realize despite your particular dietary punishment, others actually
> like
> the occasional treat?

FOAD! I'm not donating a cake to anyone!

In article >, "Julie Bove" >
wrote:


> >> > You donate wholesome stuff to people in need: does that make you happy?
> >>
> >> I am not donating a cake to anyone.
> >
> > Failure to answer my question noted
> >
> >
> >> That just doesn't even make sense!
> >
> > Not my fault that you don't know how to read my replies
> >
> > And
> >> I would certainly not donate something like that to a person in a
> >> hospital. You do realize many of them are on special diets. Right?
> >
> > You do realize that "many" is not "all"?
> >
> > You do realize/remember that I mentioned other places besides hospitals?
> >
> > You do realize despite your particular dietary punishment, others actually
> > like the occasional treat?
>
> FOAD! I'm not donating a cake to anyone!

Does it bother you that much that you have to cover up your inability to reply
to my questions by resorting to the lamest of flames?

"Malcom "Mal" Reynolds" > wrote in message
...
> In article >, "Julie Bove"
> >
> wrote:
>
>
>> >> > You donate wholesome stuff to people in need: does that make you
>> >> > happy?
>> >>
>> >> I am not donating a cake to anyone.
>> >
>> > Failure to answer my question noted
>> >
>> >
>> >> That just doesn't even make sense!
>> >
>> > Not my fault that you don't know how to read my replies
>> >
>> > And
>> >> I would certainly not donate something like that to a person in a
>> >> hospital. You do realize many of them are on special diets. Right?
>> >
>> > You do realize that "many" is not "all"?
>> >
>> > You do realize/remember that I mentioned other places besides
>> > hospitals?
>> >
>> > You do realize despite your particular dietary punishment, others
>> > actually
>> > like the occasional treat?
>>
>> FOAD! I'm not donating a cake to anyone!
>
> Does it bother you that much that you have to cover up your inability to
> reply
> to my questions by resorting to the lamest of flames?

I don't care what other people do. That's up to them.

I don't like sweets. I never have. I have posted here many times that at
family celebrations back when my mom did cook or at least serve a meal at
her house once in a while they would leave out the raw veggies for me to eat
while they had their dessert. I can't eat that stuff now between meals. I
just don't digest it.

In article >, "Julie Bove" >
wrote:


> >> > Failure to answer my question noted
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >> That just doesn't even make sense!
> >> >
> >> > Not my fault that you don't know how to read my replies
> >> >
> >> > And
> >> >> I would certainly not donate something like that to a person in a
> >> >> hospital. You do realize many of them are on special diets. Right?
> >> >
> >> > You do realize that "many" is not "all"?
> >> >
> >> > You do realize/remember that I mentioned other places besides hospitals?
> >> >
> >> > You do realize despite your particular dietary punishment, others
> >> > actually like the occasional treat?
> >>
> >> FOAD! I'm not donating a cake to anyone!
> >
> > Does it bother you that much that you have to cover up your inability to
> > reply to my questions by resorting to the lamest of flames?
>
> I don't care what other people do. That's up to them.

This is patently false: You care what your mother does but are unable to take
control of your life and household from her...and you basically asked us what
you could do even though you posted it as a rant



>
> I don't like sweets. I never have. I have posted here many times that at
> family celebrations back when my mom did cook or at least serve a meal at her
> house once in a while they would leave out the raw veggies for me to eat
> while they had their dessert. I can't eat that stuff now between meals. I
> just don't digest it.

"Malcom "Mal" Reynolds" > wrote in message
...
> In article >, "Julie Bove"
> >
> wrote:
>
>
>> >> > Failure to answer my question noted
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >> That just doesn't even make sense!
>> >> >
>> >> > Not my fault that you don't know how to read my replies
>> >> >
>> >> > And
>> >> >> I would certainly not donate something like that to a person in a
>> >> >> hospital. You do realize many of them are on special diets. Right?
>> >> >
>> >> > You do realize that "many" is not "all"?
>> >> >
>> >> > You do realize/remember that I mentioned other places besides
>> >> > hospitals?
>> >> >
>> >> > You do realize despite your particular dietary punishment, others
>> >> > actually like the occasional treat?
>> >>
>> >> FOAD! I'm not donating a cake to anyone!
>> >
>> > Does it bother you that much that you have to cover up your inability
>> > to
>> > reply to my questions by resorting to the lamest of flames?
>>
>> I don't care what other people do. That's up to them.
>
> This is patently false: You care what your mother does but are unable to
> take
> control of your life and household from her...and you basically asked us
> what
> you could do even though you posted it as a rant

BS! I never asked anyone here what to do. Yes, it was a rant. That's what
it was. My mother is in no way shape or form in charge of *my* household.
She doesn't live here.

She asked me once again what I wanted for my birthday dessert. And once
again as I have been doing for fiftysome years, I said "nothing". Because I
don't want dessert! I tell her to get what the other people want to eat.
I'm not going to be eating it! I never have. I never will and you'd think
she would have figured this out by now. But for some reason she thinks
there is something I want and I am just not telling her.

I also think with my hard to control diabetes. My dad and brother now on
insulin because they can't control theirs and everyone in the family being
overweight with the exception of my nephew and his GF who don't even eat
most sweets, she would give it up! Every so often she tells me how the
family doesn't need sweets and how she should just not serve them. And then
I say, "Yes! Why don't we just not serve them!" And then I realize she
just doesn't get it. Sure on some level she does because she has admitted
as such. But then we go back to this again. I guess she figures since it
is a holiday there should be sweets.

Okay fine, if that's what she wants. Just don't have *me* pick the sweets
because I won't eat them. And if I pick something it will surely be
something the others won't eat. It's hard enough the way it is because it's
a family of picky eaters. None of them eat the same things so she will go
out and buy something for each one of them. Except for my daughter. I have
to provide for her. Nothing has changed. Same old, same old. Every year
tons of sweets get thrown out because nobody really wanted them and they
don't want to take them home. But... Whatever.

I think really *she* is the one who wants the sweets and this is her excuse
to try a little of everything that is on the table. And then we will hear
all the complaints about how sick she feels because she ate what she was
allergic to and/or ate too much or whatever. I'm not going to play that
game.

On 22/06/2011 3:34 p.m., Julie Bove wrote:
> "Malcom "Mal" > wrote in message
> ...
>> In >, "Julie Bove"
>> >
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>>>> Failure to answer my question noted
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> That just doesn't even make sense!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Not my fault that you don't know how to read my replies
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And
>>>>>>> I would certainly not donate something like that to a person in a
>>>>>>> hospital. You do realize many of them are on special diets. Right?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You do realize that "many" is not "all"?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You do realize/remember that I mentioned other places besides
>>>>>> hospitals?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You do realize despite your particular dietary punishment, others
>>>>>> actually like the occasional treat?
>>>>>
>>>>> FOAD! I'm not donating a cake to anyone!
>>>>
>>>> Does it bother you that much that you have to cover up your inability
>>>> to
>>>> reply to my questions by resorting to the lamest of flames?
>>>
>>> I don't care what other people do. That's up to them.
>>
>> This is patently false: You care what your mother does but are unable to
>> take
>> control of your life and household from her...and you basically asked us
>> what
>> you could do even though you posted it as a rant
>
> BS! I never asked anyone here what to do. Yes, it was a rant. That's what
> it was. My mother is in no way shape or form in charge of *my* household.
> She doesn't live here.
>
> She asked me once again what I wanted for my birthday dessert. And once
> again as I have been doing for fiftysome years, I said "nothing". Because I
> don't want dessert! I tell her to get what the other people want to eat.
> I'm not going to be eating it! I never have. I never will and you'd think
> she would have figured this out by now. But for some reason she thinks
> there is something I want and I am just not telling her.
>
> I also think with my hard to control diabetes. My dad and brother now on
> insulin because they can't control theirs and everyone in the family being
> overweight with the exception of my nephew and his GF who don't even eat
> most sweets, she would give it up! Every so often she tells me how the
> family doesn't need sweets and how she should just not serve them. And then
> I say, "Yes! Why don't we just not serve them!" And then I realize she
> just doesn't get it. Sure on some level she does because she has admitted
> as such. But then we go back to this again. I guess she figures since it
> is a holiday there should be sweets.
>
> Okay fine, if that's what she wants. Just don't have *me* pick the sweets
> because I won't eat them. And if I pick something it will surely be
> something the others won't eat. It's hard enough the way it is because it's
> a family of picky eaters. None of them eat the same things so she will go
> out and buy something for each one of them. Except for my daughter. I have
> to provide for her. Nothing has changed. Same old, same old. Every year
> tons of sweets get thrown out because nobody really wanted them and they
> don't want to take them home. But... Whatever.
>
> I think really *she* is the one who wants the sweets and this is her excuse
> to try a little of everything that is on the table. And then we will hear
> all the complaints about how sick she feels because she ate what she was
> allergic to and/or ate too much or whatever. I'm not going to play that
> game.
>
>
>
Why not divert the whole argument and tell her you want a new set of
saucepans, toaster, electric jug, flowery tablecloth. Something related
to food but not necessarily to eat. That way she gets to feel good 'coz
she has given you something for your birthday and you get something useful.

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"bugalugs" > wrote in message
...
> On 22/06/2011 3:34 p.m., Julie Bove wrote:
>> "Malcom "Mal" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> In >, "Julie Bove"
>>> >
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>> Failure to answer my question noted
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> That just doesn't even make sense!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Not my fault that you don't know how to read my replies
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> And
>>>>>>>> I would certainly not donate something like that to a person in a
>>>>>>>> hospital. You do realize many of them are on special diets. Right?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You do realize that "many" is not "all"?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You do realize/remember that I mentioned other places besides
>>>>>>> hospitals?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You do realize despite your particular dietary punishment, others
>>>>>>> actually like the occasional treat?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> FOAD! I'm not donating a cake to anyone!
>>>>>
>>>>> Does it bother you that much that you have to cover up your inability
>>>>> to
>>>>> reply to my questions by resorting to the lamest of flames?
>>>>
>>>> I don't care what other people do. That's up to them.
>>>
>>> This is patently false: You care what your mother does but are unable to
>>> take
>>> control of your life and household from her...and you basically asked us
>>> what
>>> you could do even though you posted it as a rant
>>
>> BS! I never asked anyone here what to do. Yes, it was a rant. That's
>> what
>> it was. My mother is in no way shape or form in charge of *my*
>> household.
>> She doesn't live here.
>>
>> She asked me once again what I wanted for my birthday dessert. And once
>> again as I have been doing for fiftysome years, I said "nothing".
>> Because I
>> don't want dessert! I tell her to get what the other people want to eat.
>> I'm not going to be eating it! I never have. I never will and you'd
>> think
>> she would have figured this out by now. But for some reason she thinks
>> there is something I want and I am just not telling her.
>>
>> I also think with my hard to control diabetes. My dad and brother now on
>> insulin because they can't control theirs and everyone in the family
>> being
>> overweight with the exception of my nephew and his GF who don't even eat
>> most sweets, she would give it up! Every so often she tells me how the
>> family doesn't need sweets and how she should just not serve them. And
>> then
>> I say, "Yes! Why don't we just not serve them!" And then I realize she
>> just doesn't get it. Sure on some level she does because she has
>> admitted
>> as such. But then we go back to this again. I guess she figures since
>> it
>> is a holiday there should be sweets.
>>
>> Okay fine, if that's what she wants. Just don't have *me* pick the
>> sweets
>> because I won't eat them. And if I pick something it will surely be
>> something the others won't eat. It's hard enough the way it is because
>> it's
>> a family of picky eaters. None of them eat the same things so she will
>> go
>> out and buy something for each one of them. Except for my daughter. I
>> have
>> to provide for her. Nothing has changed. Same old, same old. Every
>> year
>> tons of sweets get thrown out because nobody really wanted them and they
>> don't want to take them home. But... Whatever.
>>
>> I think really *she* is the one who wants the sweets and this is her
>> excuse
>> to try a little of everything that is on the table. And then we will
>> hear
>> all the complaints about how sick she feels because she ate what she was
>> allergic to and/or ate too much or whatever. I'm not going to play that
>> game.
>>
>>
>>
> Why not divert the whole argument and tell her you want a new set of
> saucepans, toaster, electric jug, flowery tablecloth. Something related to
> food but not necessarily to eat. That way she gets to feel good 'coz she
> has given you something for your birthday and you get something useful.

I did! I want either a freezer or a gift certificate so I can buy one.

In article >, bugalugs >
wrote:

> Why not divert the whole argument and tell her you want a new set of
> saucepans, toaster, electric jug, flowery tablecloth. Something related
> to food but not necessarily to eat. That way she gets to feel good 'coz
> she has given you something for your birthday and you get something useful.

Because it's much more fulfilling to feel like a victim

In article >, "Julie Bove" >
wrote:

> >> I don't care what other people do. That's up to them.
> >
> > This is patently false: You care what your mother does but are unable to
> > take
> > control of your life and household from her...and you basically asked us
> > what
> > you could do even though you posted it as a rant
>
> BS! I never asked anyone here what to do. Yes, it was a rant. That's what
> it was. My mother is in no way shape or form in charge of *my* household.
> She doesn't live here.

You are in serious denial. You ranted in a group that is full of people with the
same/similar problem, never stated that you were venting and then shit on every
suggestion offered to you.

And if your mother doesn't respect you enough to listen to your food
concerns/needs (and that of your father) when she is in your house, she has
taken control of your house.


>
> She asked me once again what I wanted for my birthday dessert. And once
> again as I have been doing for fiftysome years, I said "nothing". Because I
> don't want dessert! I tell her to get what the other people want to eat.
> I'm not going to be eating it! I never have. I never will and you'd think
> she would have figured this out by now. But for some reason she thinks
> there is something I want and I am just not telling her.

Because you aren't telling her. You say nothing and lots of people would
interpret that as false modesty. If you had enough courage to explain to her
that it is your intention to outlive her and do it in a healthy way, she might
listen. But if you actually put yourself out of your selfish little fantasy
world you would provide her with a list of healthy stuff that you would
accept...and/or tell her if she can't respect your dietary desires she isn't
welcome in your house. Of course that means not going to her house for anything
that involves food.

But this would actually require you to be involved in the solution



>
> I also think with my hard to control diabetes. My dad and brother now on
> insulin because they can't control theirs and everyone in the family being
> overweight with the exception of my nephew and his GF who don't even eat
> most sweets, she would give it up! Every so often she tells me how the
> family doesn't need sweets and how she should just not serve them. And then
> I say, "Yes! Why don't we just not serve them!" And then I realize she
> just doesn't get it. Sure on some level she does because she has admitted
> as such. But then we go back to this again. I guess she figures since it
> is a holiday there should be sweets.

Once again this is your problem. Your failure to provide her with "healthy"
sweets is the root cause. Not a day goes by that someone offers a sweet that is
diabetic friendly and yet you rail against what some people consider to be a
well deserved treat.





>
> Okay fine, if that's what she wants. Just don't have *me* pick the sweets
> because I won't eat them. And if I pick something it will surely be
> something the others won't eat. It's hard enough the way it is because it's
> a family of picky eaters. None of them eat the same things so she will go
> out and buy something for each one of them. Except for my daughter. I have
> to provide for her. Nothing has changed. Same old, same old. Every year
> tons of sweets get thrown out because nobody really wanted them and they
> don't want to take them home. But... Whatever.


Yes, it is everyone elses problem, not yours. Forget that you are the most
educated diabetic in this small group, forget that you have access to AFD and
people willing to help you. Forget all of this because it's much easier for you
to continue to be the victim




>
> I think really *she* is the one who wants the sweets and this is her excuse
> to try a little of everything that is on the table. And then we will hear
> all the complaints about how sick she feels because she ate what she was
> allergic to and/or ate too much or whatever. I'm not going to play that
> game.


But of course you are. And look at the wonderful way you are educating your
daughter.

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"Malcom "Mal" Reynolds" > wrote in message
...
> In article >, bugalugs
> >
> wrote:
>
>> Why not divert the whole argument and tell her you want a new set of
>> saucepans, toaster, electric jug, flowery tablecloth. Something related
>> to food but not necessarily to eat. That way she gets to feel good 'coz
>> she has given you something for your birthday and you get something
>> useful.
>
> Because it's much more fulfilling to feel like a victim

Who's a victim?

In article >, "Julie Bove" >
wrote:

> "Malcom "Mal" Reynolds" > wrote in message
> ...
> > In article >, bugalugs
> > >
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Why not divert the whole argument and tell her you want a new set of
> >> saucepans, toaster, electric jug, flowery tablecloth. Something related
> >> to food but not necessarily to eat. That way she gets to feel good 'coz
> >> she has given you something for your birthday and you get something
> >> useful.
> >
> > Because it's much more fulfilling to feel like a victim
>
> Who's a victim?

Why you are sweetie

"Malcom "Mal" Reynolds" > wrote in message
...
> In article >, "Julie Bove"
> >
> wrote:
>
>> "Malcom "Mal" Reynolds" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> > In article >, bugalugs
>> > >
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> >> Why not divert the whole argument and tell her you want a new set of
>> >> saucepans, toaster, electric jug, flowery tablecloth. Something
>> >> related
>> >> to food but not necessarily to eat. That way she gets to feel good
>> >> 'coz
>> >> she has given you something for your birthday and you get something
>> >> useful.
>> >
>> > Because it's much more fulfilling to feel like a victim
>>
>> Who's a victim?
>
> Why you are sweetie

Nope.

In article >, "Julie Bove" >
wrote:

> "Malcom "Mal" Reynolds" > wrote in message
> ...
> > In article >, "Julie Bove"
> > >
> > wrote:
> >
> >> "Malcom "Mal" Reynolds" > wrote in message
> >> ...
> >> > In article >, bugalugs
> >> > >
> >> > wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> Why not divert the whole argument and tell her you want a new set of
> >> >> saucepans, toaster, electric jug, flowery tablecloth. Something
> >> >> related
> >> >> to food but not necessarily to eat. That way she gets to feel good
> >> >> 'coz
> >> >> she has given you something for your birthday and you get something
> >> >> useful.
> >> >
> >> > Because it's much more fulfilling to feel like a victim
> >>
> >> Who's a victim?
> >
> > Why you are sweetie
>
> Nope.

First stage is denial

On 23/06/2011 5:06 PM, atec77 wrote:
> On 23/06/2011 3:18 PM, Malcom "Mal" Reynolds wrote:
>> In >, "Julie
>> >
>> wrote:
>>
>>> "Malcom "Mal" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>> In >, "Julie Bove"
>>>> >
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> "Malcom "Mal" > wrote in message
>>>>> ...
>>>>>> In >, bugalugs
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Why not divert the whole argument and tell her you want a new set of
>>>>>>> saucepans, toaster, electric jug, flowery tablecloth. Something
>>>>>>> related
>>>>>>> to food but not necessarily to eat. That way she gets to feel good
>>>>>>> 'coz
>>>>>>> she has given you something for your birthday and you get something
>>>>>>> useful.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Because it's much more fulfilling to feel like a victim
>>>>>
>>>>> Who's a victim?
>>>>
>>>> Why you are sweetie
>>>
>>> Nope.
>>
>> First stage is denial
> Pulls up chair , a cool drink and some Tim Tams for the long haul watch
> on a classic dissertation
>
Hope they're the dark rum and raisin ones :-)

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