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ping wendy baker OT
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 "Storrmmee" > wrote in message ... > and lol, haven't fixed it either, just hang in there, at least yours are > coming a few minutes apart, on the other group, they were showing up all > at once, I really do feel your pain, Lee > "Ellen K." > wrote in message > news  >>I know. I'm really sorry about the multiple appearances of my posts, I >>have complained to my ISP whose news server it is, they referred me to the >>hosting outfit, who acknowledged my complaint but haven't yet responded. >> >> "Storrmmee" > wrote in message >> ... >>>i have already responded to this, Lee >>> "Ellen K." > wrote in message >>> ... >>>> There is no rule that says a Jew shouldn't watch a non-Jew eating meat >>>> and dairy together, or for that matter eating any other non-kosher food >>>> such as pork or shellfish. Our rules are only applicable to ourselves. >>>> >>>> However, if your friend was fully observant she would not eat food >>>> prepared in a non-kosher establishment. >>>> >>>> "Storrmmee" > wrote in message >>>> ... >>>>> thanks, i find this subject very interesting, when i think of this i >>>>> am reminded of a jewish friend who first introduced me to this when we >>>>> first ate lunch together, i ordered a cheeseburger and glass of milk, >>>>> lol, she asked if i would not order it and when i asked why i learned >>>>> about the basics... so i got grilled chicken and iced tea instead... >>>>> later in the evening we had milkshakes instead of dinner, wonderful >>>>> memories, Lee >>>>> "W. Baker" > wrote in message >>>>> ... >>>>>> Storrmmee > wrote: >>>>>> : i know this sounds weird, but it is my impression that kosher does >>>>>> ntot >>>>>> : allow meat and dairy in the same meal/same time? if so does this >>>>>> include >>>>>> : all dairy or just milk? also can you use a substitute like parkey >>>>>> or >>>>>> : soy/rice cheese? i know this is off topic but i just read about >>>>>> soy cream >>>>>> : cheese substitute and that set me wondering, Lee >>>>>> >>>>>> All dairy is included in the injunction to not eat meat and milk in >>>>>> the >>>>>> same mal, etc. You can use supbstitutes like soy milk, etc as long >>>>>> as >>>>>> there is no lctose in it t all. that is , often why you have to use >>>>>> non-daiary products that carry a small label that tells you that it >>>>>> is >>>>>> approved by a kosher supervising agancy. >>>>>> >>>>>> There is a soy cream cheese substitute, brand name, Tofutti. They >>>>>> also >>>>>> make a sour cram subastitute. You can amake a substitue by adding >>>>>> bit of >>>>>> lemon juic eor vinegar to the soy milk to kind of curdle it. All >>>>>> kinds of >>>>>> tricks to try to broaden ones repetoire. >>>>>> >>>>>> Wendy >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >> > > > |
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ping wendy baker OT
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"Storrmmee" > wrote in message ... > and lol, haven't fixed it either, just hang in there, at least yours are > coming a few minutes apart, on the other group, they were showing up all > at once, I really do feel your pain, Lee > "Ellen K." > wrote in message > news >>I know. I'm really sorry about the multiple appearances of my posts, I >>have complained to my ISP whose news server it is, they referred me to the >>hosting outfit, who acknowledged my complaint but haven't yet responded. >> >> "Storrmmee" > wrote in message >> ... >>>i have already responded to this, Lee >>> "Ellen K." > wrote in message >>> ... >>>> There is no rule that says a Jew shouldn't watch a non-Jew eating meat >>>> and dairy together, or for that matter eating any other non-kosher food >>>> such as pork or shellfish. Our rules are only applicable to ourselves. >>>> >>>> However, if your friend was fully observant she would not eat food >>>> prepared in a non-kosher establishment. >>>> >>>> "Storrmmee" > wrote in message >>>> ... >>>>> thanks, i find this subject very interesting, when i think of this i >>>>> am reminded of a jewish friend who first introduced me to this when we >>>>> first ate lunch together, i ordered a cheeseburger and glass of milk, >>>>> lol, she asked if i would not order it and when i asked why i learned >>>>> about the basics... so i got grilled chicken and iced tea instead... >>>>> later in the evening we had milkshakes instead of dinner, wonderful >>>>> memories, Lee >>>>> "W. Baker" > wrote in message >>>>> ... >>>>>> Storrmmee > wrote: >>>>>> : i know this sounds weird, but it is my impression that kosher does >>>>>> ntot >>>>>> : allow meat and dairy in the same meal/same time? if so does this >>>>>> include >>>>>> : all dairy or just milk? also can you use a substitute like parkey >>>>>> or >>>>>> : soy/rice cheese? i know this is off topic but i just read about >>>>>> soy cream >>>>>> : cheese substitute and that set me wondering, Lee >>>>>> >>>>>> All dairy is included in the injunction to not eat meat and milk in >>>>>> the >>>>>> same mal, etc. You can use supbstitutes like soy milk, etc as long >>>>>> as >>>>>> there is no lctose in it t all. that is , often why you have to use >>>>>> non-daiary products that carry a small label that tells you that it >>>>>> is >>>>>> approved by a kosher supervising agancy. >>>>>> >>>>>> There is a soy cream cheese substitute, brand name, Tofutti. They >>>>>> also >>>>>> make a sour cram subastitute. You can amake a substitue by adding >>>>>> bit of >>>>>> lemon juic eor vinegar to the soy milk to kind of curdle it. All >>>>>> kinds of >>>>>> tricks to try to broaden ones repetoire. >>>>>> >>>>>> Wendy >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >> > > > |
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ping wendy baker OT
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"Storrmmee" > wrote in message ... > and lol, haven't fixed it either, just hang in there, at least yours are > coming a few minutes apart, on the other group, they were showing up all > at once, I really do feel your pain, Lee > "Ellen K." > wrote in message > news >>I know. I'm really sorry about the multiple appearances of my posts, I >>have complained to my ISP whose news server it is, they referred me to the >>hosting outfit, who acknowledged my complaint but haven't yet responded. >> >> "Storrmmee" > wrote in message >> ... >>>i have already responded to this, Lee >>> "Ellen K." > wrote in message >>> ... >>>> There is no rule that says a Jew shouldn't watch a non-Jew eating meat >>>> and dairy together, or for that matter eating any other non-kosher food >>>> such as pork or shellfish. Our rules are only applicable to ourselves. >>>> >>>> However, if your friend was fully observant she would not eat food >>>> prepared in a non-kosher establishment. >>>> >>>> "Storrmmee" > wrote in message >>>> ... >>>>> thanks, i find this subject very interesting, when i think of this i >>>>> am reminded of a jewish friend who first introduced me to this when we >>>>> first ate lunch together, i ordered a cheeseburger and glass of milk, >>>>> lol, she asked if i would not order it and when i asked why i learned >>>>> about the basics... so i got grilled chicken and iced tea instead... >>>>> later in the evening we had milkshakes instead of dinner, wonderful >>>>> memories, Lee >>>>> "W. Baker" > wrote in message >>>>> ... >>>>>> Storrmmee > wrote: >>>>>> : i know this sounds weird, but it is my impression that kosher does >>>>>> ntot >>>>>> : allow meat and dairy in the same meal/same time? if so does this >>>>>> include >>>>>> : all dairy or just milk? also can you use a substitute like parkey >>>>>> or >>>>>> : soy/rice cheese? i know this is off topic but i just read about >>>>>> soy cream >>>>>> : cheese substitute and that set me wondering, Lee >>>>>> >>>>>> All dairy is included in the injunction to not eat meat and milk in >>>>>> the >>>>>> same mal, etc. You can use supbstitutes like soy milk, etc as long >>>>>> as >>>>>> there is no lctose in it t all. that is , often why you have to use >>>>>> non-daiary products that carry a small label that tells you that it >>>>>> is >>>>>> approved by a kosher supervising agancy. >>>>>> >>>>>> There is a soy cream cheese substitute, brand name, Tofutti. They >>>>>> also >>>>>> make a sour cram subastitute. You can amake a substitue by adding >>>>>> bit of >>>>>> lemon juic eor vinegar to the soy milk to kind of curdle it. All >>>>>> kinds of >>>>>> tricks to try to broaden ones repetoire. >>>>>> >>>>>> Wendy >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >> > > > |
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ping wendy baker OT
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"Storrmmee" > wrote in message ... > and lol, haven't fixed it either, just hang in there, at least yours are > coming a few minutes apart, on the other group, they were showing up all > at once, I really do feel your pain, Lee > "Ellen K." > wrote in message > news >>I know. I'm really sorry about the multiple appearances of my posts, I >>have complained to my ISP whose news server it is, they referred me to the >>hosting outfit, who acknowledged my complaint but haven't yet responded. >> >> "Storrmmee" > wrote in message >> ... >>>i have already responded to this, Lee >>> "Ellen K." > wrote in message >>> ... >>>> There is no rule that says a Jew shouldn't watch a non-Jew eating meat >>>> and dairy together, or for that matter eating any other non-kosher food >>>> such as pork or shellfish. Our rules are only applicable to ourselves. >>>> >>>> However, if your friend was fully observant she would not eat food >>>> prepared in a non-kosher establishment. >>>> >>>> "Storrmmee" > wrote in message >>>> ... >>>>> thanks, i find this subject very interesting, when i think of this i >>>>> am reminded of a jewish friend who first introduced me to this when we >>>>> first ate lunch together, i ordered a cheeseburger and glass of milk, >>>>> lol, she asked if i would not order it and when i asked why i learned >>>>> about the basics... so i got grilled chicken and iced tea instead... >>>>> later in the evening we had milkshakes instead of dinner, wonderful >>>>> memories, Lee >>>>> "W. Baker" > wrote in message >>>>> ... >>>>>> Storrmmee > wrote: >>>>>> : i know this sounds weird, but it is my impression that kosher does >>>>>> ntot >>>>>> : allow meat and dairy in the same meal/same time? if so does this >>>>>> include >>>>>> : all dairy or just milk? also can you use a substitute like parkey >>>>>> or >>>>>> : soy/rice cheese? i know this is off topic but i just read about >>>>>> soy cream >>>>>> : cheese substitute and that set me wondering, Lee >>>>>> >>>>>> All dairy is included in the injunction to not eat meat and milk in >>>>>> the >>>>>> same mal, etc. You can use supbstitutes like soy milk, etc as long >>>>>> as >>>>>> there is no lctose in it t all. that is , often why you have to use >>>>>> non-daiary products that carry a small label that tells you that it >>>>>> is >>>>>> approved by a kosher supervising agancy. >>>>>> >>>>>> There is a soy cream cheese substitute, brand name, Tofutti. They >>>>>> also >>>>>> make a sour cram subastitute. You can amake a substitue by adding >>>>>> bit of >>>>>> lemon juic eor vinegar to the soy milk to kind of curdle it. All >>>>>> kinds of >>>>>> tricks to try to broaden ones repetoire. >>>>>> >>>>>> Wendy >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >> > > > |
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ping wendy baker OT
Honestly I'm irritated that they fobbed me off onto the hosting outfit...
*they* are the customer of the hosting outfit, but *I* am THEIR (the ISP's) customer and as such THEY should be taking care of this. Oh well. This should be my biggest problem in life. "Storrmmee" > wrote in message ... >i am also sorry, I didn't realize until afterwords that was what was going >on, on another group i am on i noticed it was gong on with another poster >there, then i came back and looked at this group again, our ISP is a major >PITA, so i will wish you the best of luck in getting a resolution... quick >would probably too much to ask for, lol, Lee > "Ellen K." > wrote in message > ... >>I know. I'm really sorry about the multiple appearances of my posts, I >>have complained to my ISP whose news server it is, they referred me to the >>hosting outfit, who acknowledged my complaint but haven't yet responded. >> >> "Storrmmee" > wrote in message >> ... >>>i have already responded to this, Lee >>> "Ellen K." > wrote in message >>> ... >>>> There is no rule that says a Jew shouldn't watch a non-Jew eating meat >>>> and dairy together, or for that matter eating any other non-kosher food >>>> such as pork or shellfish. Our rules are only applicable to ourselves. >>>> >>>> However, if your friend was fully observant she would not eat food >>>> prepared in a non-kosher establishment. >>>> >>>> "Storrmmee" > wrote in message >>>> ... >>>>> thanks, i find this subject very interesting, when i think of this i >>>>> am reminded of a jewish friend who first introduced me to this when we >>>>> first ate lunch together, i ordered a cheeseburger and glass of milk, >>>>> lol, she asked if i would not order it and when i asked why i learned >>>>> about the basics... so i got grilled chicken and iced tea instead... >>>>> later in the evening we had milkshakes instead of dinner, wonderful >>>>> memories, Lee >>>>> "W. Baker" > wrote in message >>>>> ... >>>>>> Storrmmee > wrote: >>>>>> : i know this sounds weird, but it is my impression that kosher does >>>>>> ntot >>>>>> : allow meat and dairy in the same meal/same time? if so does this >>>>>> include >>>>>> : all dairy or just milk? also can you use a substitute like parkey >>>>>> or >>>>>> : soy/rice cheese? i know this is off topic but i just read about >>>>>> soy cream >>>>>> : cheese substitute and that set me wondering, Lee >>>>>> >>>>>> All dairy is included in the injunction to not eat meat and milk in >>>>>> the >>>>>> same mal, etc. You can use supbstitutes like soy milk, etc as long >>>>>> as >>>>>> there is no lctose in it t all. that is , often why you have to use >>>>>> non-daiary products that carry a small label that tells you that it >>>>>> is >>>>>> approved by a kosher supervising agancy. >>>>>> >>>>>> There is a soy cream cheese substitute, brand name, Tofutti. They >>>>>> also >>>>>> make a sour cram subastitute. You can amake a substitue by adding >>>>>> bit of >>>>>> lemon juic eor vinegar to the soy milk to kind of curdle it. All >>>>>> kinds of >>>>>> tricks to try to broaden ones repetoire. >>>>>> >>>>>> Wendy >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >> > > > |
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ping wendy baker OT
Honestly I'm irritated that they fobbed me off onto the hosting outfit...
*they* are the customer of the hosting outfit, but *I* am THEIR (the ISP's) customer and as such THEY should be taking care of this. Oh well. This should be my biggest problem in life. "Storrmmee" > wrote in message ... >i am also sorry, I didn't realize until afterwords that was what was going >on, on another group i am on i noticed it was gong on with another poster >there, then i came back and looked at this group again, our ISP is a major >PITA, so i will wish you the best of luck in getting a resolution... quick >would probably too much to ask for, lol, Lee > "Ellen K." > wrote in message > ... >>I know. I'm really sorry about the multiple appearances of my posts, I >>have complained to my ISP whose news server it is, they referred me to the >>hosting outfit, who acknowledged my complaint but haven't yet responded. >> >> "Storrmmee" > wrote in message >> ... >>>i have already responded to this, Lee >>> "Ellen K." > wrote in message >>> ... >>>> There is no rule that says a Jew shouldn't watch a non-Jew eating meat >>>> and dairy together, or for that matter eating any other non-kosher food >>>> such as pork or shellfish. Our rules are only applicable to ourselves. >>>> >>>> However, if your friend was fully observant she would not eat food >>>> prepared in a non-kosher establishment. >>>> >>>> "Storrmmee" > wrote in message >>>> ... >>>>> thanks, i find this subject very interesting, when i think of this i >>>>> am reminded of a jewish friend who first introduced me to this when we >>>>> first ate lunch together, i ordered a cheeseburger and glass of milk, >>>>> lol, she asked if i would not order it and when i asked why i learned >>>>> about the basics... so i got grilled chicken and iced tea instead... >>>>> later in the evening we had milkshakes instead of dinner, wonderful >>>>> memories, Lee >>>>> "W. Baker" > wrote in message >>>>> ... >>>>>> Storrmmee > wrote: >>>>>> : i know this sounds weird, but it is my impression that kosher does >>>>>> ntot >>>>>> : allow meat and dairy in the same meal/same time? if so does this >>>>>> include >>>>>> : all dairy or just milk? also can you use a substitute like parkey >>>>>> or >>>>>> : soy/rice cheese? i know this is off topic but i just read about >>>>>> soy cream >>>>>> : cheese substitute and that set me wondering, Lee >>>>>> >>>>>> All dairy is included in the injunction to not eat meat and milk in >>>>>> the >>>>>> same mal, etc. You can use supbstitutes like soy milk, etc as long >>>>>> as >>>>>> there is no lctose in it t all. that is , often why you have to use >>>>>> non-daiary products that carry a small label that tells you that it >>>>>> is >>>>>> approved by a kosher supervising agancy. >>>>>> >>>>>> There is a soy cream cheese substitute, brand name, Tofutti. They >>>>>> also >>>>>> make a sour cram subastitute. You can amake a substitue by adding >>>>>> bit of >>>>>> lemon juic eor vinegar to the soy milk to kind of curdle it. All >>>>>> kinds of >>>>>> tricks to try to broaden ones repetoire. >>>>>> >>>>>> Wendy >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >> > > > |
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ping wendy baker OT
Honestly I'm irritated that they fobbed me off onto the hosting outfit...
*they* are the customer of the hosting outfit, but *I* am THEIR (the ISP's) customer and as such THEY should be taking care of this. Oh well. This should be my biggest problem in life. "Storrmmee" > wrote in message ... >i am also sorry, I didn't realize until afterwords that was what was going >on, on another group i am on i noticed it was gong on with another poster >there, then i came back and looked at this group again, our ISP is a major >PITA, so i will wish you the best of luck in getting a resolution... quick >would probably too much to ask for, lol, Lee > "Ellen K." > wrote in message > ... >>I know. I'm really sorry about the multiple appearances of my posts, I >>have complained to my ISP whose news server it is, they referred me to the >>hosting outfit, who acknowledged my complaint but haven't yet responded. >> >> "Storrmmee" > wrote in message >> ... >>>i have already responded to this, Lee >>> "Ellen K." > wrote in message >>> ... >>>> There is no rule that says a Jew shouldn't watch a non-Jew eating meat >>>> and dairy together, or for that matter eating any other non-kosher food >>>> such as pork or shellfish. Our rules are only applicable to ourselves. >>>> >>>> However, if your friend was fully observant she would not eat food >>>> prepared in a non-kosher establishment. >>>> >>>> "Storrmmee" > wrote in message >>>> ... >>>>> thanks, i find this subject very interesting, when i think of this i >>>>> am reminded of a jewish friend who first introduced me to this when we >>>>> first ate lunch together, i ordered a cheeseburger and glass of milk, >>>>> lol, she asked if i would not order it and when i asked why i learned >>>>> about the basics... so i got grilled chicken and iced tea instead... >>>>> later in the evening we had milkshakes instead of dinner, wonderful >>>>> memories, Lee >>>>> "W. Baker" > wrote in message >>>>> ... >>>>>> Storrmmee > wrote: >>>>>> : i know this sounds weird, but it is my impression that kosher does >>>>>> ntot >>>>>> : allow meat and dairy in the same meal/same time? if so does this >>>>>> include >>>>>> : all dairy or just milk? also can you use a substitute like parkey >>>>>> or >>>>>> : soy/rice cheese? i know this is off topic but i just read about >>>>>> soy cream >>>>>> : cheese substitute and that set me wondering, Lee >>>>>> >>>>>> All dairy is included in the injunction to not eat meat and milk in >>>>>> the >>>>>> same mal, etc. You can use supbstitutes like soy milk, etc as long >>>>>> as >>>>>> there is no lctose in it t all. that is , often why you have to use >>>>>> non-daiary products that carry a small label that tells you that it >>>>>> is >>>>>> approved by a kosher supervising agancy. >>>>>> >>>>>> There is a soy cream cheese substitute, brand name, Tofutti. They >>>>>> also >>>>>> make a sour cram subastitute. You can amake a substitue by adding >>>>>> bit of >>>>>> lemon juic eor vinegar to the soy milk to kind of curdle it. All >>>>>> kinds of >>>>>> tricks to try to broaden ones repetoire. >>>>>> >>>>>> Wendy >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >> > > > |
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"W. Baker" > wrote in message ... > Ellen K. > wrote: > > : "W. Baker" > wrote in message > : ... > : > Storrmmee > wrote: > : > : i know this sounds weird, but it is my impression that kosher does > ntot > : > : allow meat and dairy in the same meal/same time? if so does this > : > include > : > : all dairy or just milk? also can you use a substitute like parkey or > : > : soy/rice cheese? i know this is off topic but i just read about soy > : > cream > : > : cheese substitute and that set me wondering, Lee > : > > : > All dairy is included in the injunction to not eat meat and milk in > the > : > same mal, etc. You can use supbstitutes like soy milk, etc as long as > : > there is no lctose in it t all. that is , often why you have to use > : > non-daiary products that carry a small label that tells you that it is > : > approved by a kosher supervising agancy. > : > > : > There is a soy cream cheese substitute, brand name, Tofutti. They also > : > make a sour cram subastitute. You can amake a substitue by adding > bit of > : > lemon juic eor vinegar to the soy milk to kind of curdle it. All > kinds of > : > tricks to try to broaden ones repetoire. > : > > : > Wendy > : > > > : I think lactose per se is not the issue, if it is possible to create it > : chemically without physical milk it wouldn't be dairy. The issue is > : physical milk, i.e. milk that was produced by an animal. > > That is why those of us wh keep kosher need to have our hachsher on many > priducts , because there well may be ingrredients with a long distnt dairy > base that can be a problem, like much lactic acid. this is also why many > with milk allergies look for products that have hechshers tht show either > meat or neutral(parev) so they can have the assurance that there is no > dairy based acids etc in the product. > > Wendy > And conversely, a product can contain lactic acid without containing any dairy matter. (Lactic acid can apparently be created in the lab. I found this out once when I called the supervising rav of a product labeled pareve that showed lactic acid on the ingredient list.) But your larger point is absolutely correct, we need a hechsher, an ingredient list doesn't determine anything, not least because the US legal requirement is to list items amounting to 2% or more of the product, whereas batel bashishim -- if even applicable -- would be less than that... so a product could contain a non-kosher ingredient making up more than 1/60 of the product but less than 1/50 (2%) and we would never know by looking at the ingredient list. Besides that, supervision is also necessary to make sure no insects are in the product. |
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"W. Baker" > wrote in message ... > Ellen K. > wrote: > > : "W. Baker" > wrote in message > : ... > : > Storrmmee > wrote: > : > : i know this sounds weird, but it is my impression that kosher does > ntot > : > : allow meat and dairy in the same meal/same time? if so does this > : > include > : > : all dairy or just milk? also can you use a substitute like parkey or > : > : soy/rice cheese? i know this is off topic but i just read about soy > : > cream > : > : cheese substitute and that set me wondering, Lee > : > > : > All dairy is included in the injunction to not eat meat and milk in > the > : > same mal, etc. You can use supbstitutes like soy milk, etc as long as > : > there is no lctose in it t all. that is , often why you have to use > : > non-daiary products that carry a small label that tells you that it is > : > approved by a kosher supervising agancy. > : > > : > There is a soy cream cheese substitute, brand name, Tofutti. They also > : > make a sour cram subastitute. You can amake a substitue by adding > bit of > : > lemon juic eor vinegar to the soy milk to kind of curdle it. All > kinds of > : > tricks to try to broaden ones repetoire. > : > > : > Wendy > : > > > : I think lactose per se is not the issue, if it is possible to create it > : chemically without physical milk it wouldn't be dairy. The issue is > : physical milk, i.e. milk that was produced by an animal. > > That is why those of us wh keep kosher need to have our hachsher on many > priducts , because there well may be ingrredients with a long distnt dairy > base that can be a problem, like much lactic acid. this is also why many > with milk allergies look for products that have hechshers tht show either > meat or neutral(parev) so they can have the assurance that there is no > dairy based acids etc in the product. > > Wendy > And conversely, a product can contain lactic acid without containing any dairy matter. (Lactic acid can apparently be created in the lab. I found this out once when I called the supervising rav of a product labeled pareve that showed lactic acid on the ingredient list.) But your larger point is absolutely correct, we need a hechsher, an ingredient list doesn't determine anything, not least because the US legal requirement is to list items amounting to 2% or more of the product, whereas batel bashishim -- if even applicable -- would be less than that... so a product could contain a non-kosher ingredient making up more than 1/60 of the product but less than 1/50 (2%) and we would never know by looking at the ingredient list. Besides that, supervision is also necessary to make sure no insects are in the product. |
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"W. Baker" > wrote in message ... > Ellen K. > wrote: > > : "W. Baker" > wrote in message > : ... > : > Storrmmee > wrote: > : > : i know this sounds weird, but it is my impression that kosher does > ntot > : > : allow meat and dairy in the same meal/same time? if so does this > : > include > : > : all dairy or just milk? also can you use a substitute like parkey or > : > : soy/rice cheese? i know this is off topic but i just read about soy > : > cream > : > : cheese substitute and that set me wondering, Lee > : > > : > All dairy is included in the injunction to not eat meat and milk in > the > : > same mal, etc. You can use supbstitutes like soy milk, etc as long as > : > there is no lctose in it t all. that is , often why you have to use > : > non-daiary products that carry a small label that tells you that it is > : > approved by a kosher supervising agancy. > : > > : > There is a soy cream cheese substitute, brand name, Tofutti. They also > : > make a sour cram subastitute. You can amake a substitue by adding > bit of > : > lemon juic eor vinegar to the soy milk to kind of curdle it. All > kinds of > : > tricks to try to broaden ones repetoire. > : > > : > Wendy > : > > > : I think lactose per se is not the issue, if it is possible to create it > : chemically without physical milk it wouldn't be dairy. The issue is > : physical milk, i.e. milk that was produced by an animal. > > That is why those of us wh keep kosher need to have our hachsher on many > priducts , because there well may be ingrredients with a long distnt dairy > base that can be a problem, like much lactic acid. this is also why many > with milk allergies look for products that have hechshers tht show either > meat or neutral(parev) so they can have the assurance that there is no > dairy based acids etc in the product. > > Wendy > And conversely, a product can contain lactic acid without containing any dairy matter. (Lactic acid can apparently be created in the lab. I found this out once when I called the supervising rav of a product labeled pareve that showed lactic acid on the ingredient list.) But your larger point is absolutely correct, we need a hechsher, an ingredient list doesn't determine anything, not least because the US legal requirement is to list items amounting to 2% or more of the product, whereas batel bashishim -- if even applicable -- would be less than that... so a product could contain a non-kosher ingredient making up more than 1/60 of the product but less than 1/50 (2%) and we would never know by looking at the ingredient list. Besides that, supervision is also necessary to make sure no insects are in the product. |
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reading this leads me to beleive that if you are going to keep kosher,
scratch cooking is a must not an option, Lee "Ellen K." > wrote in message ... > > "W. Baker" > wrote in message > ... >> Ellen K. > wrote: >> >> : "W. Baker" > wrote in message >> : ... >> : > Storrmmee > wrote: >> : > : i know this sounds weird, but it is my impression that kosher does >> ntot >> : > : allow meat and dairy in the same meal/same time? if so does this >> : > include >> : > : all dairy or just milk? also can you use a substitute like parkey >> or >> : > : soy/rice cheese? i know this is off topic but i just read about >> soy >> : > cream >> : > : cheese substitute and that set me wondering, Lee >> : > >> : > All dairy is included in the injunction to not eat meat and milk in >> the >> : > same mal, etc. You can use supbstitutes like soy milk, etc as long >> as >> : > there is no lctose in it t all. that is , often why you have to use >> : > non-daiary products that carry a small label that tells you that it >> is >> : > approved by a kosher supervising agancy. >> : > >> : > There is a soy cream cheese substitute, brand name, Tofutti. They >> also >> : > make a sour cram subastitute. You can amake a substitue by adding >> bit of >> : > lemon juic eor vinegar to the soy milk to kind of curdle it. All >> kinds of >> : > tricks to try to broaden ones repetoire. >> : > >> : > Wendy >> : > >> >> : I think lactose per se is not the issue, if it is possible to create it >> : chemically without physical milk it wouldn't be dairy. The issue is >> : physical milk, i.e. milk that was produced by an animal. >> >> That is why those of us wh keep kosher need to have our hachsher on many >> priducts , because there well may be ingrredients with a long distnt >> dairy >> base that can be a problem, like much lactic acid. this is also why many >> with milk allergies look for products that have hechshers tht show either >> meat or neutral(parev) so they can have the assurance that there is no >> dairy based acids etc in the product. >> >> Wendy >> > > And conversely, a product can contain lactic acid without containing any > dairy matter. (Lactic acid can apparently be created in the lab. I found > this out once when I called the supervising rav of a product labeled > pareve that showed lactic acid on the ingredient list.) > > But your larger point is absolutely correct, we need a hechsher, an > ingredient list doesn't determine anything, not least because the US legal > requirement is to list items amounting to 2% or more of the product, > whereas batel bashishim -- if even applicable -- would be less than > that... so a product could contain a non-kosher ingredient making up more > than 1/60 of the product but less than 1/50 (2%) and we would never know > by looking at the ingredient list. Besides that, supervision is also > necessary to make sure no insects are in the product. |
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the thing that makes our isp so bad is it is the only access we can get, in
a rural area phone co still has a monopoly and they hold dial up and dsl, cable/dish is simpley too high, so when we call with an issue, instead of hearing what the issue is they immediately assume that the dh is a moron and try to make him reset settings and check phone lines, and since he did communications in the serbice, he doesn't even call until he as done all of that, again good luck, Lee "Ellen K." > wrote in message ... > Honestly I'm irritated that they fobbed me off onto the hosting outfit... > *they* are the customer of the hosting outfit, but *I* am THEIR (the > ISP's) customer and as such THEY should be taking care of this. > > Oh well. This should be my biggest problem in life. > > "Storrmmee" > wrote in message > ... >>i am also sorry, I didn't realize until afterwords that was what was going >>on, on another group i am on i noticed it was gong on with another poster >>there, then i came back and looked at this group again, our ISP is a >>major PITA, so i will wish you the best of luck in getting a resolution... >>quick would probably too much to ask for, lol, Lee >> "Ellen K." > wrote in message >> ... >>>I know. I'm really sorry about the multiple appearances of my posts, I >>>have complained to my ISP whose news server it is, they referred me to >>>the hosting outfit, who acknowledged my complaint but haven't yet >>>responded. >>> >>> "Storrmmee" > wrote in message >>> ... >>>>i have already responded to this, Lee >>>> "Ellen K." > wrote in message >>>> ... >>>>> There is no rule that says a Jew shouldn't watch a non-Jew eating meat >>>>> and dairy together, or for that matter eating any other non-kosher >>>>> food such as pork or shellfish. Our rules are only applicable to >>>>> ourselves. >>>>> >>>>> However, if your friend was fully observant she would not eat food >>>>> prepared in a non-kosher establishment. >>>>> >>>>> "Storrmmee" > wrote in message >>>>> ... >>>>>> thanks, i find this subject very interesting, when i think of this i >>>>>> am reminded of a jewish friend who first introduced me to this when >>>>>> we first ate lunch together, i ordered a cheeseburger and glass of >>>>>> milk, lol, she asked if i would not order it and when i asked why i >>>>>> learned about the basics... so i got grilled chicken and iced tea >>>>>> instead... later in the evening we had milkshakes instead of dinner, >>>>>> wonderful memories, Lee >>>>>> "W. Baker" > wrote in message >>>>>> ... >>>>>>> Storrmmee > wrote: >>>>>>> : i know this sounds weird, but it is my impression that kosher does >>>>>>> ntot >>>>>>> : allow meat and dairy in the same meal/same time? if so does this >>>>>>> include >>>>>>> : all dairy or just milk? also can you use a substitute like parkey >>>>>>> or >>>>>>> : soy/rice cheese? i know this is off topic but i just read about >>>>>>> soy cream >>>>>>> : cheese substitute and that set me wondering, Lee >>>>>>> >>>>>>> All dairy is included in the injunction to not eat meat and milk in >>>>>>> the >>>>>>> same mal, etc. You can use supbstitutes like soy milk, etc as long >>>>>>> as >>>>>>> there is no lctose in it t all. that is , often why you have to use >>>>>>> non-daiary products that carry a small label that tells you that it >>>>>>> is >>>>>>> approved by a kosher supervising agancy. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> There is a soy cream cheese substitute, brand name, Tofutti. They >>>>>>> also >>>>>>> make a sour cram subastitute. You can amake a substitue by adding >>>>>>> bit of >>>>>>> lemon juic eor vinegar to the soy milk to kind of curdle it. All >>>>>>> kinds of >>>>>>> tricks to try to broaden ones repetoire. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Wendy >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >> >> >> > |
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"Storrmmee" > wrote in message ... > reading this leads me to beleive that if you are going to keep kosher, > scratch cooking is a must not an option, Lee There are kosher restaurants. Not too many around here, but they're out there. |
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"Storrmmee" > wrote in message ... > the thing that makes our isp so bad is it is the only access we can get, > in a rural area phone co still has a monopoly and they hold dial up and > dsl, cable/dish is simpley too high, so when we call with an issue, > instead of hearing what the issue is they immediately assume that the dh > is a moron and try to make him reset settings and check phone lines, and > since he did communications in the serbice, he doesn't even call until he > as done all of that, again good luck, Lee Mine always blames the box. Reset the box! If that didn't work... Either the box is broken or it's your Norton. It's never their fault. |
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I know that part, but was thinking if i went to all that trouble to read
everything before going home to prepare it would just be easier to by as raw ingrs. as possible, Lee "Julie Bove" > wrote in message ... > > "Storrmmee" > wrote in message > ... >> reading this leads me to beleive that if you are going to keep kosher, >> scratch cooking is a must not an option, Lee > > There are kosher restaurants. Not too many around here, but they're out > there. > |
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My ISP's customer service is generally quite good, that's why this is so
disappointing. Oh well, a learning experience. "Storrmmee" > wrote in message ... > the thing that makes our isp so bad is it is the only access we can get, > in a rural area phone co still has a monopoly and they hold dial up and > dsl, cable/dish is simpley too high, so when we call with an issue, > instead of hearing what the issue is they immediately assume that the dh > is a moron and try to make him reset settings and check phone lines, and > since he did communications in the serbice, he doesn't even call until he > as done all of that, again good luck, Lee > "Ellen K." > wrote in message > ... >> Honestly I'm irritated that they fobbed me off onto the hosting outfit... >> *they* are the customer of the hosting outfit, but *I* am THEIR (the >> ISP's) customer and as such THEY should be taking care of this. >> >> Oh well. This should be my biggest problem in life. >> >> "Storrmmee" > wrote in message >> ... >>>i am also sorry, I didn't realize until afterwords that was what was >>>going on, on another group i am on i noticed it was gong on with another >>>poster there, then i came back and looked at this group again, our ISP >>>is a major PITA, so i will wish you the best of luck in getting a >>>resolution... quick would probably too much to ask for, lol, Lee >>> "Ellen K." > wrote in message >>> ... >>>>I know. I'm really sorry about the multiple appearances of my posts, I >>>>have complained to my ISP whose news server it is, they referred me to >>>>the hosting outfit, who acknowledged my complaint but haven't yet >>>>responded. >>>> >>>> "Storrmmee" > wrote in message >>>> ... >>>>>i have already responded to this, Lee >>>>> "Ellen K." > wrote in message >>>>> ... >>>>>> There is no rule that says a Jew shouldn't watch a non-Jew eating >>>>>> meat and dairy together, or for that matter eating any other >>>>>> non-kosher food such as pork or shellfish. Our rules are only >>>>>> applicable to ourselves. >>>>>> >>>>>> However, if your friend was fully observant she would not eat food >>>>>> prepared in a non-kosher establishment. >>>>>> >>>>>> "Storrmmee" > wrote in message >>>>>> ... >>>>>>> thanks, i find this subject very interesting, when i think of this i >>>>>>> am reminded of a jewish friend who first introduced me to this when >>>>>>> we first ate lunch together, i ordered a cheeseburger and glass of >>>>>>> milk, lol, she asked if i would not order it and when i asked why i >>>>>>> learned about the basics... so i got grilled chicken and iced tea >>>>>>> instead... later in the evening we had milkshakes instead of dinner, >>>>>>> wonderful memories, Lee >>>>>>> "W. Baker" > wrote in message >>>>>>> ... >>>>>>>> Storrmmee > wrote: >>>>>>>> : i know this sounds weird, but it is my impression that kosher >>>>>>>> does ntot >>>>>>>> : allow meat and dairy in the same meal/same time? if so does this >>>>>>>> include >>>>>>>> : all dairy or just milk? also can you use a substitute like parkey >>>>>>>> or >>>>>>>> : soy/rice cheese? i know this is off topic but i just read about >>>>>>>> soy cream >>>>>>>> : cheese substitute and that set me wondering, Lee >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> All dairy is included in the injunction to not eat meat and milk in >>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>> same mal, etc. You can use supbstitutes like soy milk, etc as long >>>>>>>> as >>>>>>>> there is no lctose in it t all. that is , often why you have to >>>>>>>> use >>>>>>>> non-daiary products that carry a small label that tells you that it >>>>>>>> is >>>>>>>> approved by a kosher supervising agancy. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> There is a soy cream cheese substitute, brand name, Tofutti. They >>>>>>>> also >>>>>>>> make a sour cram subastitute. You can amake a substitue by adding >>>>>>>> bit of >>>>>>>> lemon juic eor vinegar to the soy milk to kind of curdle it. All >>>>>>>> kinds of >>>>>>>> tricks to try to broaden ones repetoire. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Wendy >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >> > > |
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My ISP's customer service is generally quite good, that's why this is so
disappointing. Oh well, a learning experience. "Storrmmee" > wrote in message ... > the thing that makes our isp so bad is it is the only access we can get, > in a rural area phone co still has a monopoly and they hold dial up and > dsl, cable/dish is simpley too high, so when we call with an issue, > instead of hearing what the issue is they immediately assume that the dh > is a moron and try to make him reset settings and check phone lines, and > since he did communications in the serbice, he doesn't even call until he > as done all of that, again good luck, Lee > "Ellen K." > wrote in message > ... >> Honestly I'm irritated that they fobbed me off onto the hosting outfit... >> *they* are the customer of the hosting outfit, but *I* am THEIR (the >> ISP's) customer and as such THEY should be taking care of this. >> >> Oh well. This should be my biggest problem in life. >> >> "Storrmmee" > wrote in message >> ... >>>i am also sorry, I didn't realize until afterwords that was what was >>>going on, on another group i am on i noticed it was gong on with another >>>poster there, then i came back and looked at this group again, our ISP >>>is a major PITA, so i will wish you the best of luck in getting a >>>resolution... quick would probably too much to ask for, lol, Lee >>> "Ellen K." > wrote in message >>> ... >>>>I know. I'm really sorry about the multiple appearances of my posts, I >>>>have complained to my ISP whose news server it is, they referred me to >>>>the hosting outfit, who acknowledged my complaint but haven't yet >>>>responded. >>>> >>>> "Storrmmee" > wrote in message >>>> ... >>>>>i have already responded to this, Lee >>>>> "Ellen K." > wrote in message >>>>> ... >>>>>> There is no rule that says a Jew shouldn't watch a non-Jew eating >>>>>> meat and dairy together, or for that matter eating any other >>>>>> non-kosher food such as pork or shellfish. Our rules are only >>>>>> applicable to ourselves. >>>>>> >>>>>> However, if your friend was fully observant she would not eat food >>>>>> prepared in a non-kosher establishment. >>>>>> >>>>>> "Storrmmee" > wrote in message >>>>>> ... >>>>>>> thanks, i find this subject very interesting, when i think of this i >>>>>>> am reminded of a jewish friend who first introduced me to this when >>>>>>> we first ate lunch together, i ordered a cheeseburger and glass of >>>>>>> milk, lol, she asked if i would not order it and when i asked why i >>>>>>> learned about the basics... so i got grilled chicken and iced tea >>>>>>> instead... later in the evening we had milkshakes instead of dinner, >>>>>>> wonderful memories, Lee >>>>>>> "W. Baker" > wrote in message >>>>>>> ... >>>>>>>> Storrmmee > wrote: >>>>>>>> : i know this sounds weird, but it is my impression that kosher >>>>>>>> does ntot >>>>>>>> : allow meat and dairy in the same meal/same time? if so does this >>>>>>>> include >>>>>>>> : all dairy or just milk? also can you use a substitute like parkey >>>>>>>> or >>>>>>>> : soy/rice cheese? i know this is off topic but i just read about >>>>>>>> soy cream >>>>>>>> : cheese substitute and that set me wondering, Lee >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> All dairy is included in the injunction to not eat meat and milk in >>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>> same mal, etc. You can use supbstitutes like soy milk, etc as long >>>>>>>> as >>>>>>>> there is no lctose in it t all. that is , often why you have to >>>>>>>> use >>>>>>>> non-daiary products that carry a small label that tells you that it >>>>>>>> is >>>>>>>> approved by a kosher supervising agancy. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> There is a soy cream cheese substitute, brand name, Tofutti. They >>>>>>>> also >>>>>>>> make a sour cram subastitute. You can amake a substitue by adding >>>>>>>> bit of >>>>>>>> lemon juic eor vinegar to the soy milk to kind of curdle it. All >>>>>>>> kinds of >>>>>>>> tricks to try to broaden ones repetoire. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Wendy >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >> > > |
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My ISP's customer service is generally quite good, that's why this is so
disappointing. Oh well, a learning experience. "Storrmmee" > wrote in message ... > the thing that makes our isp so bad is it is the only access we can get, > in a rural area phone co still has a monopoly and they hold dial up and > dsl, cable/dish is simpley too high, so when we call with an issue, > instead of hearing what the issue is they immediately assume that the dh > is a moron and try to make him reset settings and check phone lines, and > since he did communications in the serbice, he doesn't even call until he > as done all of that, again good luck, Lee > "Ellen K." > wrote in message > ... >> Honestly I'm irritated that they fobbed me off onto the hosting outfit... >> *they* are the customer of the hosting outfit, but *I* am THEIR (the >> ISP's) customer and as such THEY should be taking care of this. >> >> Oh well. This should be my biggest problem in life. >> >> "Storrmmee" > wrote in message >> ... >>>i am also sorry, I didn't realize until afterwords that was what was >>>going on, on another group i am on i noticed it was gong on with another >>>poster there, then i came back and looked at this group again, our ISP >>>is a major PITA, so i will wish you the best of luck in getting a >>>resolution... quick would probably too much to ask for, lol, Lee >>> "Ellen K." > wrote in message >>> ... >>>>I know. I'm really sorry about the multiple appearances of my posts, I >>>>have complained to my ISP whose news server it is, they referred me to >>>>the hosting outfit, who acknowledged my complaint but haven't yet >>>>responded. >>>> >>>> "Storrmmee" > wrote in message >>>> ... >>>>>i have already responded to this, Lee >>>>> "Ellen K." > wrote in message >>>>> ... >>>>>> There is no rule that says a Jew shouldn't watch a non-Jew eating >>>>>> meat and dairy together, or for that matter eating any other >>>>>> non-kosher food such as pork or shellfish. Our rules are only >>>>>> applicable to ourselves. >>>>>> >>>>>> However, if your friend was fully observant she would not eat food >>>>>> prepared in a non-kosher establishment. >>>>>> >>>>>> "Storrmmee" > wrote in message >>>>>> ... >>>>>>> thanks, i find this subject very interesting, when i think of this i >>>>>>> am reminded of a jewish friend who first introduced me to this when >>>>>>> we first ate lunch together, i ordered a cheeseburger and glass of >>>>>>> milk, lol, she asked if i would not order it and when i asked why i >>>>>>> learned about the basics... so i got grilled chicken and iced tea >>>>>>> instead... later in the evening we had milkshakes instead of dinner, >>>>>>> wonderful memories, Lee >>>>>>> "W. Baker" > wrote in message >>>>>>> ... >>>>>>>> Storrmmee > wrote: >>>>>>>> : i know this sounds weird, but it is my impression that kosher >>>>>>>> does ntot >>>>>>>> : allow meat and dairy in the same meal/same time? if so does this >>>>>>>> include >>>>>>>> : all dairy or just milk? also can you use a substitute like parkey >>>>>>>> or >>>>>>>> : soy/rice cheese? i know this is off topic but i just read about >>>>>>>> soy cream >>>>>>>> : cheese substitute and that set me wondering, Lee >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> All dairy is included in the injunction to not eat meat and milk in >>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>> same mal, etc. You can use supbstitutes like soy milk, etc as long >>>>>>>> as >>>>>>>> there is no lctose in it t all. that is , often why you have to >>>>>>>> use >>>>>>>> non-daiary products that carry a small label that tells you that it >>>>>>>> is >>>>>>>> approved by a kosher supervising agancy. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> There is a soy cream cheese substitute, brand name, Tofutti. They >>>>>>>> also >>>>>>>> make a sour cram subastitute. You can amake a substitue by adding >>>>>>>> bit of >>>>>>>> lemon juic eor vinegar to the soy milk to kind of curdle it. All >>>>>>>> kinds of >>>>>>>> tricks to try to broaden ones repetoire. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Wendy >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >> > > |
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My ISP's customer service is generally quite good, that's why this is so
disappointing. Oh well, a learning experience. "Storrmmee" > wrote in message ... > the thing that makes our isp so bad is it is the only access we can get, > in a rural area phone co still has a monopoly and they hold dial up and > dsl, cable/dish is simpley too high, so when we call with an issue, > instead of hearing what the issue is they immediately assume that the dh > is a moron and try to make him reset settings and check phone lines, and > since he did communications in the serbice, he doesn't even call until he > as done all of that, again good luck, Lee > "Ellen K." > wrote in message > ... >> Honestly I'm irritated that they fobbed me off onto the hosting outfit... >> *they* are the customer of the hosting outfit, but *I* am THEIR (the >> ISP's) customer and as such THEY should be taking care of this. >> >> Oh well. This should be my biggest problem in life. >> >> "Storrmmee" > wrote in message >> ... >>>i am also sorry, I didn't realize until afterwords that was what was >>>going on, on another group i am on i noticed it was gong on with another >>>poster there, then i came back and looked at this group again, our ISP >>>is a major PITA, so i will wish you the best of luck in getting a >>>resolution... quick would probably too much to ask for, lol, Lee >>> "Ellen K." > wrote in message >>> ... >>>>I know. I'm really sorry about the multiple appearances of my posts, I >>>>have complained to my ISP whose news server it is, they referred me to >>>>the hosting outfit, who acknowledged my complaint but haven't yet >>>>responded. >>>> >>>> "Storrmmee" > wrote in message >>>> ... >>>>>i have already responded to this, Lee >>>>> "Ellen K." > wrote in message >>>>> ... >>>>>> There is no rule that says a Jew shouldn't watch a non-Jew eating >>>>>> meat and dairy together, or for that matter eating any other >>>>>> non-kosher food such as pork or shellfish. Our rules are only >>>>>> applicable to ourselves. >>>>>> >>>>>> However, if your friend was fully observant she would not eat food >>>>>> prepared in a non-kosher establishment. >>>>>> >>>>>> "Storrmmee" > wrote in message >>>>>> ... >>>>>>> thanks, i find this subject very interesting, when i think of this i >>>>>>> am reminded of a jewish friend who first introduced me to this when >>>>>>> we first ate lunch together, i ordered a cheeseburger and glass of >>>>>>> milk, lol, she asked if i would not order it and when i asked why i >>>>>>> learned about the basics... so i got grilled chicken and iced tea >>>>>>> instead... later in the evening we had milkshakes instead of dinner, >>>>>>> wonderful memories, Lee >>>>>>> "W. Baker" > wrote in message >>>>>>> ... >>>>>>>> Storrmmee > wrote: >>>>>>>> : i know this sounds weird, but it is my impression that kosher >>>>>>>> does ntot >>>>>>>> : allow meat and dairy in the same meal/same time? if so does this >>>>>>>> include >>>>>>>> : all dairy or just milk? also can you use a substitute like parkey >>>>>>>> or >>>>>>>> : soy/rice cheese? i know this is off topic but i just read about >>>>>>>> soy cream >>>>>>>> : cheese substitute and that set me wondering, Lee >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> All dairy is included in the injunction to not eat meat and milk in >>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>> same mal, etc. You can use supbstitutes like soy milk, etc as long >>>>>>>> as >>>>>>>> there is no lctose in it t all. that is , often why you have to >>>>>>>> use >>>>>>>> non-daiary products that carry a small label that tells you that it >>>>>>>> is >>>>>>>> approved by a kosher supervising agancy. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> There is a soy cream cheese substitute, brand name, Tofutti. They >>>>>>>> also >>>>>>>> make a sour cram subastitute. You can amake a substitue by adding >>>>>>>> bit of >>>>>>>> lemon juic eor vinegar to the soy milk to kind of curdle it. All >>>>>>>> kinds of >>>>>>>> tricks to try to broaden ones repetoire. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Wendy >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >> > > |
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My ISP's customer service is generally quite good, that's why this is so
disappointing. Oh well, a learning experience. "Storrmmee" > wrote in message ... > the thing that makes our isp so bad is it is the only access we can get, > in a rural area phone co still has a monopoly and they hold dial up and > dsl, cable/dish is simpley too high, so when we call with an issue, > instead of hearing what the issue is they immediately assume that the dh > is a moron and try to make him reset settings and check phone lines, and > since he did communications in the serbice, he doesn't even call until he > as done all of that, again good luck, Lee > "Ellen K." > wrote in message > ... >> Honestly I'm irritated that they fobbed me off onto the hosting outfit... >> *they* are the customer of the hosting outfit, but *I* am THEIR (the >> ISP's) customer and as such THEY should be taking care of this. >> >> Oh well. This should be my biggest problem in life. >> >> "Storrmmee" > wrote in message >> ... >>>i am also sorry, I didn't realize until afterwords that was what was >>>going on, on another group i am on i noticed it was gong on with another >>>poster there, then i came back and looked at this group again, our ISP >>>is a major PITA, so i will wish you the best of luck in getting a >>>resolution... quick would probably too much to ask for, lol, Lee >>> "Ellen K." > wrote in message >>> ... >>>>I know. I'm really sorry about the multiple appearances of my posts, I >>>>have complained to my ISP whose news server it is, they referred me to >>>>the hosting outfit, who acknowledged my complaint but haven't yet >>>>responded. >>>> >>>> "Storrmmee" > wrote in message >>>> ... >>>>>i have already responded to this, Lee >>>>> "Ellen K." > wrote in message >>>>> ... >>>>>> There is no rule that says a Jew shouldn't watch a non-Jew eating >>>>>> meat and dairy together, or for that matter eating any other >>>>>> non-kosher food such as pork or shellfish. Our rules are only >>>>>> applicable to ourselves. >>>>>> >>>>>> However, if your friend was fully observant she would not eat food >>>>>> prepared in a non-kosher establishment. >>>>>> >>>>>> "Storrmmee" > wrote in message >>>>>> ... >>>>>>> thanks, i find this subject very interesting, when i think of this i >>>>>>> am reminded of a jewish friend who first introduced me to this when >>>>>>> we first ate lunch together, i ordered a cheeseburger and glass of >>>>>>> milk, lol, she asked if i would not order it and when i asked why i >>>>>>> learned about the basics... so i got grilled chicken and iced tea >>>>>>> instead... later in the evening we had milkshakes instead of dinner, >>>>>>> wonderful memories, Lee >>>>>>> "W. Baker" > wrote in message >>>>>>> ... >>>>>>>> Storrmmee > wrote: >>>>>>>> : i know this sounds weird, but it is my impression that kosher >>>>>>>> does ntot >>>>>>>> : allow meat and dairy in the same meal/same time? if so does this >>>>>>>> include >>>>>>>> : all dairy or just milk? also can you use a substitute like parkey >>>>>>>> or >>>>>>>> : soy/rice cheese? i know this is off topic but i just read about >>>>>>>> soy cream >>>>>>>> : cheese substitute and that set me wondering, Lee >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> All dairy is included in the injunction to not eat meat and milk in >>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>> same mal, etc. You can use supbstitutes like soy milk, etc as long >>>>>>>> as >>>>>>>> there is no lctose in it t all. that is , often why you have to >>>>>>>> use >>>>>>>> non-daiary products that carry a small label that tells you that it >>>>>>>> is >>>>>>>> approved by a kosher supervising agancy. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> There is a soy cream cheese substitute, brand name, Tofutti. They >>>>>>>> also >>>>>>>> make a sour cram subastitute. You can amake a substitue by adding >>>>>>>> bit of >>>>>>>> lemon juic eor vinegar to the soy milk to kind of curdle it. All >>>>>>>> kinds of >>>>>>>> tricks to try to broaden ones repetoire. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Wendy >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >> > > |
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I prefer scratch cooking but actually there are MANY kosher-certified
products available, including quite a few that you probably purchase and never realized had kosher supervision. "Storrmmee" > wrote in message ... > reading this leads me to beleive that if you are going to keep kosher, > scratch cooking is a must not an option, Lee > "Ellen K." > wrote in message > ... >> >> "W. Baker" > wrote in message >> ... >>> Ellen K. > wrote: >>> >>> : "W. Baker" > wrote in message >>> : ... >>> : > Storrmmee > wrote: >>> : > : i know this sounds weird, but it is my impression that kosher does >>> ntot >>> : > : allow meat and dairy in the same meal/same time? if so does this >>> : > include >>> : > : all dairy or just milk? also can you use a substitute like parkey >>> or >>> : > : soy/rice cheese? i know this is off topic but i just read about >>> soy >>> : > cream >>> : > : cheese substitute and that set me wondering, Lee >>> : > >>> : > All dairy is included in the injunction to not eat meat and milk in >>> the >>> : > same mal, etc. You can use supbstitutes like soy milk, etc as long >>> as >>> : > there is no lctose in it t all. that is , often why you have to use >>> : > non-daiary products that carry a small label that tells you that it >>> is >>> : > approved by a kosher supervising agancy. >>> : > >>> : > There is a soy cream cheese substitute, brand name, Tofutti. They >>> also >>> : > make a sour cram subastitute. You can amake a substitue by adding >>> bit of >>> : > lemon juic eor vinegar to the soy milk to kind of curdle it. All >>> kinds of >>> : > tricks to try to broaden ones repetoire. >>> : > >>> : > Wendy >>> : > >>> >>> : I think lactose per se is not the issue, if it is possible to create >>> it >>> : chemically without physical milk it wouldn't be dairy. The issue is >>> : physical milk, i.e. milk that was produced by an animal. >>> >>> That is why those of us wh keep kosher need to have our hachsher on many >>> priducts , because there well may be ingrredients with a long distnt >>> dairy >>> base that can be a problem, like much lactic acid. this is also why >>> many >>> with milk allergies look for products that have hechshers tht show >>> either >>> meat or neutral(parev) so they can have the assurance that there is no >>> dairy based acids etc in the product. >>> >>> Wendy >>> >> >> And conversely, a product can contain lactic acid without containing any >> dairy matter. (Lactic acid can apparently be created in the lab. I >> found this out once when I called the supervising rav of a product >> labeled pareve that showed lactic acid on the ingredient list.) >> >> But your larger point is absolutely correct, we need a hechsher, an >> ingredient list doesn't determine anything, not least because the US >> legal requirement is to list items amounting to 2% or more of the >> product, whereas batel bashishim -- if even applicable -- would be less >> than that... so a product could contain a non-kosher ingredient making up >> more than 1/60 of the product but less than 1/50 (2%) and we would never >> know by looking at the ingredient list. Besides that, supervision is >> also necessary to make sure no insects are in the product. > > > |
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That's the point of the "hechsher" Wendy and I were discussing, we don't
have to read anything, just look for a kosher symbol on the package. Each kosher supervision agency has its own copyrighted symbol. The best known is probably the "OU", which is a U inside a circle. Others include the "OK" (a K inside a circle) and "star K" (a K inside a star). A plain K on the package means the *manufacturer* says the product is kosher, but doesn't identify the supervising agency, and in fact a product with only a plain K may not have any supervision, the manufacturer can put a plain K because you can't copyright a letter of the alphabet. "Storrmmee" > wrote in message ... >I know that part, but was thinking if i went to all that trouble to read >everything before going home to prepare it would just be easier to by as >raw ingrs. as possible, Lee > "Julie Bove" > wrote in message > ... >> >> "Storrmmee" > wrote in message >> ... >>> reading this leads me to beleive that if you are going to keep kosher, >>> scratch cooking is a must not an option, Lee >> >> There are kosher restaurants. Not too many around here, but they're out >> there. >> > > > |
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Storrmmee > wrote:
: I know that part, but was thinking if i went to all that trouble to read : everything before going home to prepare it would just be easier to by as raw : ingrs. as possible, Lee : "Julie Bove" > wrote in message : ... : > : > "Storrmmee" > wrote in message : > ... : >> reading this leads me to beleive that if you are going to keep kosher, : >> scratch cooking is a must not an option, Lee : > : > There are kosher restaurants. Not too many around here, but they're out : > there. : > That is where the Hechsher or certification mark comes in. That is all you need to look for. I do do a lot of sratch cooking, partly for taste choice and partly for diabetic resons. Wendy |
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"Julie Bove" > wrote in message ... > > "Ellen K." > wrote in message > ... >> My ISP's customer service is generally quite good, that's why this is so >> disappointing. >> >> Oh well, a learning experience. > > Perhaps we should all write to them and complain? > If it makes you feel better... |
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"Julie Bove" > wrote in message ... > > "Ellen K." > wrote in message > ... >> My ISP's customer service is generally quite good, that's why this is so >> disappointing. >> >> Oh well, a learning experience. > > Perhaps we should all write to them and complain? > If it makes you feel better... |
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"Ellen K." > wrote in message ... > > "Julie Bove" > wrote in message > ... >> >> "Ellen K." > wrote in message >> ... >>> My ISP's customer service is generally quite good, that's why this is so >>> disappointing. >>> >>> Oh well, a learning experience. >> >> Perhaps we should all write to them and complain? >> > > If it makes you feel better... It might help if they get a lot of complaints! |
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i am not sure if i said it but on the other group this is occuring on they
think its the news server, i am clueless as i am barely competent to send and rec. email and post messages, Lee "Ellen K." > wrote in message ... > My ISP's customer service is generally quite good, that's why this is so > disappointing. > > Oh well, a learning experience. > > "Storrmmee" > wrote in message > ... >> the thing that makes our isp so bad is it is the only access we can get, >> in a rural area phone co still has a monopoly and they hold dial up and >> dsl, cable/dish is simpley too high, so when we call with an issue, >> instead of hearing what the issue is they immediately assume that the dh >> is a moron and try to make him reset settings and check phone lines, and >> since he did communications in the serbice, he doesn't even call until he >> as done all of that, again good luck, Lee >> "Ellen K." > wrote in message >> ... >>> Honestly I'm irritated that they fobbed me off onto the hosting >>> outfit... *they* are the customer of the hosting outfit, but *I* am >>> THEIR (the ISP's) customer and as such THEY should be taking care of >>> this. >>> >>> Oh well. This should be my biggest problem in life. >>> >>> "Storrmmee" > wrote in message >>> ... >>>>i am also sorry, I didn't realize until afterwords that was what was >>>>going on, on another group i am on i noticed it was gong on with another >>>>poster there, then i came back and looked at this group again, our ISP >>>>is a major PITA, so i will wish you the best of luck in getting a >>>>resolution... quick would probably too much to ask for, lol, Lee >>>> "Ellen K." > wrote in message >>>> ... >>>>>I know. I'm really sorry about the multiple appearances of my posts, I >>>>>have complained to my ISP whose news server it is, they referred me to >>>>>the hosting outfit, who acknowledged my complaint but haven't yet >>>>>responded. >>>>> >>>>> "Storrmmee" > wrote in message >>>>> ... >>>>>>i have already responded to this, Lee >>>>>> "Ellen K." > wrote in message >>>>>> ... >>>>>>> There is no rule that says a Jew shouldn't watch a non-Jew eating >>>>>>> meat and dairy together, or for that matter eating any other >>>>>>> non-kosher food such as pork or shellfish. Our rules are only >>>>>>> applicable to ourselves. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> However, if your friend was fully observant she would not eat food >>>>>>> prepared in a non-kosher establishment. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> "Storrmmee" > wrote in message >>>>>>> ... >>>>>>>> thanks, i find this subject very interesting, when i think of this >>>>>>>> i am reminded of a jewish friend who first introduced me to this >>>>>>>> when we first ate lunch together, i ordered a cheeseburger and >>>>>>>> glass of milk, lol, she asked if i would not order it and when i >>>>>>>> asked why i learned about the basics... so i got grilled chicken >>>>>>>> and iced tea instead... later in the evening we had milkshakes >>>>>>>> instead of dinner, wonderful memories, Lee >>>>>>>> "W. Baker" > wrote in message >>>>>>>> ... >>>>>>>>> Storrmmee > wrote: >>>>>>>>> : i know this sounds weird, but it is my impression that kosher >>>>>>>>> does ntot >>>>>>>>> : allow meat and dairy in the same meal/same time? if so does >>>>>>>>> this include >>>>>>>>> : all dairy or just milk? also can you use a substitute like >>>>>>>>> parkey or >>>>>>>>> : soy/rice cheese? i know this is off topic but i just read about >>>>>>>>> soy cream >>>>>>>>> : cheese substitute and that set me wondering, Lee >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> All dairy is included in the injunction to not eat meat and milk >>>>>>>>> in the >>>>>>>>> same mal, etc. You can use supbstitutes like soy milk, etc as >>>>>>>>> long as >>>>>>>>> there is no lctose in it t all. that is , often why you have to >>>>>>>>> use >>>>>>>>> non-daiary products that carry a small label that tells you that >>>>>>>>> it is >>>>>>>>> approved by a kosher supervising agancy. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> There is a soy cream cheese substitute, brand name, Tofutti. They >>>>>>>>> also >>>>>>>>> make a sour cram subastitute. You can amake a substitue by adding >>>>>>>>> bit of >>>>>>>>> lemon juic eor vinegar to the soy milk to kind of curdle it. All >>>>>>>>> kinds of >>>>>>>>> tricks to try to broaden ones repetoire. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Wendy >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >> >> > |
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I do know many of the packaged snacks i sell are certified, but there are
two different symbols according to the dh, so he keeps an eye on what is marked, we have been asked in the past and when we are there have opened machine to let a mom unit shop, Lee "Ellen K." > wrote in message ... >I prefer scratch cooking but actually there are MANY kosher-certified >products available, including quite a few that you probably purchase and >never realized had kosher supervision. > > "Storrmmee" > wrote in message > ... >> reading this leads me to beleive that if you are going to keep kosher, >> scratch cooking is a must not an option, Lee >> "Ellen K." > wrote in message >> ... >>> >>> "W. Baker" > wrote in message >>> ... >>>> Ellen K. > wrote: >>>> >>>> : "W. Baker" > wrote in message >>>> : ... >>>> : > Storrmmee > wrote: >>>> : > : i know this sounds weird, but it is my impression that kosher >>>> does ntot >>>> : > : allow meat and dairy in the same meal/same time? if so does this >>>> : > include >>>> : > : all dairy or just milk? also can you use a substitute like parkey >>>> or >>>> : > : soy/rice cheese? i know this is off topic but i just read about >>>> soy >>>> : > cream >>>> : > : cheese substitute and that set me wondering, Lee >>>> : > >>>> : > All dairy is included in the injunction to not eat meat and milk in >>>> the >>>> : > same mal, etc. You can use supbstitutes like soy milk, etc as long >>>> as >>>> : > there is no lctose in it t all. that is , often why you have to >>>> use >>>> : > non-daiary products that carry a small label that tells you that it >>>> is >>>> : > approved by a kosher supervising agancy. >>>> : > >>>> : > There is a soy cream cheese substitute, brand name, Tofutti. They >>>> also >>>> : > make a sour cram subastitute. You can amake a substitue by adding >>>> bit of >>>> : > lemon juic eor vinegar to the soy milk to kind of curdle it. All >>>> kinds of >>>> : > tricks to try to broaden ones repetoire. >>>> : > >>>> : > Wendy >>>> : > >>>> >>>> : I think lactose per se is not the issue, if it is possible to create >>>> it >>>> : chemically without physical milk it wouldn't be dairy. The issue is >>>> : physical milk, i.e. milk that was produced by an animal. >>>> >>>> That is why those of us wh keep kosher need to have our hachsher on >>>> many >>>> priducts , because there well may be ingrredients with a long distnt >>>> dairy >>>> base that can be a problem, like much lactic acid. this is also why >>>> many >>>> with milk allergies look for products that have hechshers tht show >>>> either >>>> meat or neutral(parev) so they can have the assurance that there is no >>>> dairy based acids etc in the product. >>>> >>>> Wendy >>>> >>> >>> And conversely, a product can contain lactic acid without containing any >>> dairy matter. (Lactic acid can apparently be created in the lab. I >>> found this out once when I called the supervising rav of a product >>> labeled pareve that showed lactic acid on the ingredient list.) >>> >>> But your larger point is absolutely correct, we need a hechsher, an >>> ingredient list doesn't determine anything, not least because the US >>> legal requirement is to list items amounting to 2% or more of the >>> product, whereas batel bashishim -- if even applicable -- would be less >>> than that... so a product could contain a non-kosher ingredient making >>> up more than 1/60 of the product but less than 1/50 (2%) and we would >>> never know by looking at the ingredient list. Besides that, supervision >>> is also necessary to make sure no insects are in the product. >> >> >> > |
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the u and k in a circle is most often what is on the snacks i sell, Lee
"Ellen K." > wrote in message ... > That's the point of the "hechsher" Wendy and I were discussing, we don't > have to read anything, just look for a kosher symbol on the package. Each > kosher supervision agency has its own copyrighted symbol. The best known > is probably the "OU", which is a U inside a circle. Others include the > "OK" (a K inside a circle) and "star K" (a K inside a star). A plain K > on the package means the *manufacturer* says the product is kosher, but > doesn't identify the supervising agency, and in fact a product with only a > plain K may not have any supervision, the manufacturer can put a plain K > because you can't copyright a letter of the alphabet. > > "Storrmmee" > wrote in message > ... >>I know that part, but was thinking if i went to all that trouble to read >>everything before going home to prepare it would just be easier to by as >>raw ingrs. as possible, Lee >> "Julie Bove" > wrote in message >> ... >>> >>> "Storrmmee" > wrote in message >>> ... >>>> reading this leads me to beleive that if you are going to keep kosher, >>>> scratch cooking is a must not an option, Lee >>> >>> There are kosher restaurants. Not too many around here, but they're out >>> there. >>> >> >> >> > |
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It is definitely the news server.
Would you mind telling me the name of the other group where it is occurring (from somebody other than me)? I would like to look at who the ISP is. "Storrmmee" > wrote in message ... >i am not sure if i said it but on the other group this is occuring on they >think its the news server, i am clueless as i am barely competent to send >and rec. email and post messages, Lee > "Ellen K." > wrote in message > ... >> My ISP's customer service is generally quite good, that's why this is so >> disappointing. >> >> Oh well, a learning experience. >> >> "Storrmmee" > wrote in message >> ... >>> the thing that makes our isp so bad is it is the only access we can get, >>> in a rural area phone co still has a monopoly and they hold dial up and >>> dsl, cable/dish is simpley too high, so when we call with an issue, >>> instead of hearing what the issue is they immediately assume that the dh >>> is a moron and try to make him reset settings and check phone lines, and >>> since he did communications in the serbice, he doesn't even call until >>> he as done all of that, again good luck, Lee >>> "Ellen K." > wrote in message >>> ... >>>> Honestly I'm irritated that they fobbed me off onto the hosting >>>> outfit... *they* are the customer of the hosting outfit, but *I* am >>>> THEIR (the ISP's) customer and as such THEY should be taking care of >>>> this. >>>> >>>> Oh well. This should be my biggest problem in life. >>>> >>>> "Storrmmee" > wrote in message >>>> ... >>>>>i am also sorry, I didn't realize until afterwords that was what was >>>>>going on, on another group i am on i noticed it was gong on with >>>>>another poster there, then i came back and looked at this group again, >>>>>our ISP is a major PITA, so i will wish you the best of luck in getting >>>>>a resolution... quick would probably too much to ask for, lol, Lee >>>>> "Ellen K." > wrote in message >>>>> ... >>>>>>I know. I'm really sorry about the multiple appearances of my posts, >>>>>>I have complained to my ISP whose news server it is, they referred me >>>>>>to the hosting outfit, who acknowledged my complaint but haven't yet >>>>>>responded. >>>>>> >>>>>> "Storrmmee" > wrote in message >>>>>> ... >>>>>>>i have already responded to this, Lee >>>>>>> "Ellen K." > wrote in message >>>>>>> ... >>>>>>>> There is no rule that says a Jew shouldn't watch a non-Jew eating >>>>>>>> meat and dairy together, or for that matter eating any other >>>>>>>> non-kosher food such as pork or shellfish. Our rules are only >>>>>>>> applicable to ourselves. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> However, if your friend was fully observant she would not eat food >>>>>>>> prepared in a non-kosher establishment. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> "Storrmmee" > wrote in message >>>>>>>> ... >>>>>>>>> thanks, i find this subject very interesting, when i think of this >>>>>>>>> i am reminded of a jewish friend who first introduced me to this >>>>>>>>> when we first ate lunch together, i ordered a cheeseburger and >>>>>>>>> glass of milk, lol, she asked if i would not order it and when i >>>>>>>>> asked why i learned about the basics... so i got grilled chicken >>>>>>>>> and iced tea instead... later in the evening we had milkshakes >>>>>>>>> instead of dinner, wonderful memories, Lee >>>>>>>>> "W. Baker" > wrote in message >>>>>>>>> ... >>>>>>>>>> Storrmmee > wrote: >>>>>>>>>> : i know this sounds weird, but it is my impression that kosher >>>>>>>>>> does ntot >>>>>>>>>> : allow meat and dairy in the same meal/same time? if so does >>>>>>>>>> this include >>>>>>>>>> : all dairy or just milk? also can you use a substitute like >>>>>>>>>> parkey or >>>>>>>>>> : soy/rice cheese? i know this is off topic but i just read >>>>>>>>>> about soy cream >>>>>>>>>> : cheese substitute and that set me wondering, Lee >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> All dairy is included in the injunction to not eat meat and milk >>>>>>>>>> in the >>>>>>>>>> same mal, etc. You can use supbstitutes like soy milk, etc as >>>>>>>>>> long as >>>>>>>>>> there is no lctose in it t all. that is , often why you have to >>>>>>>>>> use >>>>>>>>>> non-daiary products that carry a small label that tells you that >>>>>>>>>> it is >>>>>>>>>> approved by a kosher supervising agancy. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> There is a soy cream cheese substitute, brand name, Tofutti. They >>>>>>>>>> also >>>>>>>>>> make a sour cram subastitute. You can amake a substitue by >>>>>>>>>> adding bit of >>>>>>>>>> lemon juic eor vinegar to the soy milk to kind of curdle it. All >>>>>>>>>> kinds of >>>>>>>>>> tricks to try to broaden ones repetoire. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Wendy >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> >>> >> > > |
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It is definitely the news server.
Would you mind telling me the name of the other group where it is occurring (from somebody other than me)? I would like to look at who the ISP is. "Storrmmee" > wrote in message ... >i am not sure if i said it but on the other group this is occuring on they >think its the news server, i am clueless as i am barely competent to send >and rec. email and post messages, Lee > "Ellen K." > wrote in message > ... >> My ISP's customer service is generally quite good, that's why this is so >> disappointing. >> >> Oh well, a learning experience. >> >> "Storrmmee" > wrote in message >> ... >>> the thing that makes our isp so bad is it is the only access we can get, >>> in a rural area phone co still has a monopoly and they hold dial up and >>> dsl, cable/dish is simpley too high, so when we call with an issue, >>> instead of hearing what the issue is they immediately assume that the dh >>> is a moron and try to make him reset settings and check phone lines, and >>> since he did communications in the serbice, he doesn't even call until >>> he as done all of that, again good luck, Lee >>> "Ellen K." > wrote in message >>> ... >>>> Honestly I'm irritated that they fobbed me off onto the hosting >>>> outfit... *they* are the customer of the hosting outfit, but *I* am >>>> THEIR (the ISP's) customer and as such THEY should be taking care of >>>> this. >>>> >>>> Oh well. This should be my biggest problem in life. >>>> >>>> "Storrmmee" > wrote in message >>>> ... >>>>>i am also sorry, I didn't realize until afterwords that was what was >>>>>going on, on another group i am on i noticed it was gong on with >>>>>another poster there, then i came back and looked at this group again, >>>>>our ISP is a major PITA, so i will wish you the best of luck in getting >>>>>a resolution... quick would probably too much to ask for, lol, Lee >>>>> "Ellen K." > wrote in message >>>>> ... >>>>>>I know. I'm really sorry about the multiple appearances of my posts, >>>>>>I have complained to my ISP whose news server it is, they referred me >>>>>>to the hosting outfit, who acknowledged my complaint but haven't yet >>>>>>responded. >>>>>> >>>>>> "Storrmmee" > wrote in message >>>>>> ... >>>>>>>i have already responded to this, Lee >>>>>>> "Ellen K." > wrote in message >>>>>>> ... >>>>>>>> There is no rule that says a Jew shouldn't watch a non-Jew eating >>>>>>>> meat and dairy together, or for that matter eating any other >>>>>>>> non-kosher food such as pork or shellfish. Our rules are only >>>>>>>> applicable to ourselves. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> However, if your friend was fully observant she would not eat food >>>>>>>> prepared in a non-kosher establishment. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> "Storrmmee" > wrote in message >>>>>>>> ... >>>>>>>>> thanks, i find this subject very interesting, when i think of this >>>>>>>>> i am reminded of a jewish friend who first introduced me to this >>>>>>>>> when we first ate lunch together, i ordered a cheeseburger and >>>>>>>>> glass of milk, lol, she asked if i would not order it and when i >>>>>>>>> asked why i learned about the basics... so i got grilled chicken >>>>>>>>> and iced tea instead... later in the evening we had milkshakes >>>>>>>>> instead of dinner, wonderful memories, Lee >>>>>>>>> "W. Baker" > wrote in message >>>>>>>>> ... >>>>>>>>>> Storrmmee > wrote: >>>>>>>>>> : i know this sounds weird, but it is my impression that kosher >>>>>>>>>> does ntot >>>>>>>>>> : allow meat and dairy in the same meal/same time? if so does >>>>>>>>>> this include >>>>>>>>>> : all dairy or just milk? also can you use a substitute like >>>>>>>>>> parkey or >>>>>>>>>> : soy/rice cheese? i know this is off topic but i just read >>>>>>>>>> about soy cream >>>>>>>>>> : cheese substitute and that set me wondering, Lee >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> All dairy is included in the injunction to not eat meat and milk >>>>>>>>>> in the >>>>>>>>>> same mal, etc. You can use supbstitutes like soy milk, etc as >>>>>>>>>> long as >>>>>>>>>> there is no lctose in it t all. that is , often why you have to >>>>>>>>>> use >>>>>>>>>> non-daiary products that carry a small label that tells you that >>>>>>>>>> it is >>>>>>>>>> approved by a kosher supervising agancy. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> There is a soy cream cheese substitute, brand name, Tofutti. They >>>>>>>>>> also >>>>>>>>>> make a sour cram subastitute. You can amake a substitue by >>>>>>>>>> adding bit of >>>>>>>>>> lemon juic eor vinegar to the soy milk to kind of curdle it. All >>>>>>>>>> kinds of >>>>>>>>>> tricks to try to broaden ones repetoire. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Wendy >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> >>> >> > > |
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It is definitely the news server.
Would you mind telling me the name of the other group where it is occurring (from somebody other than me)? I would like to look at who the ISP is. "Storrmmee" > wrote in message ... >i am not sure if i said it but on the other group this is occuring on they >think its the news server, i am clueless as i am barely competent to send >and rec. email and post messages, Lee > "Ellen K." > wrote in message > ... >> My ISP's customer service is generally quite good, that's why this is so >> disappointing. >> >> Oh well, a learning experience. >> >> "Storrmmee" > wrote in message >> ... >>> the thing that makes our isp so bad is it is the only access we can get, >>> in a rural area phone co still has a monopoly and they hold dial up and >>> dsl, cable/dish is simpley too high, so when we call with an issue, >>> instead of hearing what the issue is they immediately assume that the dh >>> is a moron and try to make him reset settings and check phone lines, and >>> since he did communications in the serbice, he doesn't even call until >>> he as done all of that, again good luck, Lee >>> "Ellen K." > wrote in message >>> ... >>>> Honestly I'm irritated that they fobbed me off onto the hosting >>>> outfit... *they* are the customer of the hosting outfit, but *I* am >>>> THEIR (the ISP's) customer and as such THEY should be taking care of >>>> this. >>>> >>>> Oh well. This should be my biggest problem in life. >>>> >>>> "Storrmmee" > wrote in message >>>> ... >>>>>i am also sorry, I didn't realize until afterwords that was what was >>>>>going on, on another group i am on i noticed it was gong on with >>>>>another poster there, then i came back and looked at this group again, >>>>>our ISP is a major PITA, so i will wish you the best of luck in getting >>>>>a resolution... quick would probably too much to ask for, lol, Lee >>>>> "Ellen K." > wrote in message >>>>> ... >>>>>>I know. I'm really sorry about the multiple appearances of my posts, >>>>>>I have complained to my ISP whose news server it is, they referred me >>>>>>to the hosting outfit, who acknowledged my complaint but haven't yet >>>>>>responded. >>>>>> >>>>>> "Storrmmee" > wrote in message >>>>>> ... >>>>>>>i have already responded to this, Lee >>>>>>> "Ellen K." > wrote in message >>>>>>> ... >>>>>>>> There is no rule that says a Jew shouldn't watch a non-Jew eating >>>>>>>> meat and dairy together, or for that matter eating any other >>>>>>>> non-kosher food such as pork or shellfish. Our rules are only >>>>>>>> applicable to ourselves. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> However, if your friend was fully observant she would not eat food >>>>>>>> prepared in a non-kosher establishment. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> "Storrmmee" > wrote in message >>>>>>>> ... >>>>>>>>> thanks, i find this subject very interesting, when i think of this >>>>>>>>> i am reminded of a jewish friend who first introduced me to this >>>>>>>>> when we first ate lunch together, i ordered a cheeseburger and >>>>>>>>> glass of milk, lol, she asked if i would not order it and when i >>>>>>>>> asked why i learned about the basics... so i got grilled chicken >>>>>>>>> and iced tea instead... later in the evening we had milkshakes >>>>>>>>> instead of dinner, wonderful memories, Lee >>>>>>>>> "W. Baker" > wrote in message >>>>>>>>> ... >>>>>>>>>> Storrmmee > wrote: >>>>>>>>>> : i know this sounds weird, but it is my impression that kosher >>>>>>>>>> does ntot >>>>>>>>>> : allow meat and dairy in the same meal/same time? if so does >>>>>>>>>> this include >>>>>>>>>> : all dairy or just milk? also can you use a substitute like >>>>>>>>>> parkey or >>>>>>>>>> : soy/rice cheese? i know this is off topic but i just read >>>>>>>>>> about soy cream >>>>>>>>>> : cheese substitute and that set me wondering, Lee >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> All dairy is included in the injunction to not eat meat and milk >>>>>>>>>> in the >>>>>>>>>> same mal, etc. You can use supbstitutes like soy milk, etc as >>>>>>>>>> long as >>>>>>>>>> there is no lctose in it t all. that is , often why you have to >>>>>>>>>> use >>>>>>>>>> non-daiary products that carry a small label that tells you that >>>>>>>>>> it is >>>>>>>>>> approved by a kosher supervising agancy. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> There is a soy cream cheese substitute, brand name, Tofutti. They >>>>>>>>>> also >>>>>>>>>> make a sour cram subastitute. You can amake a substitue by >>>>>>>>>> adding bit of >>>>>>>>>> lemon juic eor vinegar to the soy milk to kind of curdle it. All >>>>>>>>>> kinds of >>>>>>>>>> tricks to try to broaden ones repetoire. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Wendy >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> >>> >> > > |
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It is definitely the news server.
Would you mind telling me the name of the other group where it is occurring (from somebody other than me)? I would like to look at who the ISP is. "Storrmmee" > wrote in message ... >i am not sure if i said it but on the other group this is occuring on they >think its the news server, i am clueless as i am barely competent to send >and rec. email and post messages, Lee > "Ellen K." > wrote in message > ... >> My ISP's customer service is generally quite good, that's why this is so >> disappointing. >> >> Oh well, a learning experience. >> >> "Storrmmee" > wrote in message >> ... >>> the thing that makes our isp so bad is it is the only access we can get, >>> in a rural area phone co still has a monopoly and they hold dial up and >>> dsl, cable/dish is simpley too high, so when we call with an issue, >>> instead of hearing what the issue is they immediately assume that the dh >>> is a moron and try to make him reset settings and check phone lines, and >>> since he did communications in the serbice, he doesn't even call until >>> he as done all of that, again good luck, Lee >>> "Ellen K." > wrote in message >>> ... >>>> Honestly I'm irritated that they fobbed me off onto the hosting >>>> outfit... *they* are the customer of the hosting outfit, but *I* am >>>> THEIR (the ISP's) customer and as such THEY should be taking care of >>>> this. >>>> >>>> Oh well. This should be my biggest problem in life. >>>> >>>> "Storrmmee" > wrote in message >>>> ... >>>>>i am also sorry, I didn't realize until afterwords that was what was >>>>>going on, on another group i am on i noticed it was gong on with >>>>>another poster there, then i came back and looked at this group again, >>>>>our ISP is a major PITA, so i will wish you the best of luck in getting >>>>>a resolution... quick would probably too much to ask for, lol, Lee >>>>> "Ellen K." > wrote in message >>>>> ... >>>>>>I know. I'm really sorry about the multiple appearances of my posts, >>>>>>I have complained to my ISP whose news server it is, they referred me >>>>>>to the hosting outfit, who acknowledged my complaint but haven't yet >>>>>>responded. >>>>>> >>>>>> "Storrmmee" > wrote in message >>>>>> ... >>>>>>>i have already responded to this, Lee >>>>>>> "Ellen K." > wrote in message >>>>>>> ... >>>>>>>> There is no rule that says a Jew shouldn't watch a non-Jew eating >>>>>>>> meat and dairy together, or for that matter eating any other >>>>>>>> non-kosher food such as pork or shellfish. Our rules are only >>>>>>>> applicable to ourselves. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> However, if your friend was fully observant she would not eat food >>>>>>>> prepared in a non-kosher establishment. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> "Storrmmee" > wrote in message >>>>>>>> ... >>>>>>>>> thanks, i find this subject very interesting, when i think of this >>>>>>>>> i am reminded of a jewish friend who first introduced me to this >>>>>>>>> when we first ate lunch together, i ordered a cheeseburger and >>>>>>>>> glass of milk, lol, she asked if i would not order it and when i >>>>>>>>> asked why i learned about the basics... so i got grilled chicken >>>>>>>>> and iced tea instead... later in the evening we had milkshakes >>>>>>>>> instead of dinner, wonderful memories, Lee >>>>>>>>> "W. Baker" > wrote in message >>>>>>>>> ... >>>>>>>>>> Storrmmee > wrote: >>>>>>>>>> : i know this sounds weird, but it is my impression that kosher >>>>>>>>>> does ntot >>>>>>>>>> : allow meat and dairy in the same meal/same time? if so does >>>>>>>>>> this include >>>>>>>>>> : all dairy or just milk? also can you use a substitute like >>>>>>>>>> parkey or >>>>>>>>>> : soy/rice cheese? i know this is off topic but i just read >>>>>>>>>> about soy cream >>>>>>>>>> : cheese substitute and that set me wondering, Lee >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> All dairy is included in the injunction to not eat meat and milk >>>>>>>>>> in the >>>>>>>>>> same mal, etc. You can use supbstitutes like soy milk, etc as >>>>>>>>>> long as >>>>>>>>>> there is no lctose in it t all. that is , often why you have to >>>>>>>>>> use >>>>>>>>>> non-daiary products that carry a small label that tells you that >>>>>>>>>> it is >>>>>>>>>> approved by a kosher supervising agancy. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> There is a soy cream cheese substitute, brand name, Tofutti. They >>>>>>>>>> also >>>>>>>>>> make a sour cram subastitute. You can amake a substitue by >>>>>>>>>> adding bit of >>>>>>>>>> lemon juic eor vinegar to the soy milk to kind of curdle it. All >>>>>>>>>> kinds of >>>>>>>>>> tricks to try to broaden ones repetoire. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Wendy >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> >>> >> > > |
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ping wendy baker OT
You are in the business of selling snacks?
"Storrmmee" > wrote in message ... > the u and k in a circle is most often what is on the snacks i sell, Lee > "Ellen K." > wrote in message > ... >> That's the point of the "hechsher" Wendy and I were discussing, we don't >> have to read anything, just look for a kosher symbol on the package. >> Each kosher supervision agency has its own copyrighted symbol. The best >> known is probably the "OU", which is a U inside a circle. Others include >> the "OK" (a K inside a circle) and "star K" (a K inside a star). A >> plain K on the package means the *manufacturer* says the product is >> kosher, but doesn't identify the supervising agency, and in fact a >> product with only a plain K may not have any supervision, the >> manufacturer can put a plain K because you can't copyright a letter of >> the alphabet. >> >> "Storrmmee" > wrote in message >> ... >>>I know that part, but was thinking if i went to all that trouble to read >>>everything before going home to prepare it would just be easier to by as >>>raw ingrs. as possible, Lee >>> "Julie Bove" > wrote in message >>> ... >>>> >>>> "Storrmmee" > wrote in message >>>> ... >>>>> reading this leads me to beleive that if you are going to keep kosher, >>>>> scratch cooking is a must not an option, Lee >>>> >>>> There are kosher restaurants. Not too many around here, but they're >>>> out there. >>>> >>> >>> >>> >> > > > |
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ping wendy baker OT
You are in the business of selling snacks?
"Storrmmee" > wrote in message ... > the u and k in a circle is most often what is on the snacks i sell, Lee > "Ellen K." > wrote in message > ... >> That's the point of the "hechsher" Wendy and I were discussing, we don't >> have to read anything, just look for a kosher symbol on the package. >> Each kosher supervision agency has its own copyrighted symbol. The best >> known is probably the "OU", which is a U inside a circle. Others include >> the "OK" (a K inside a circle) and "star K" (a K inside a star). A >> plain K on the package means the *manufacturer* says the product is >> kosher, but doesn't identify the supervising agency, and in fact a >> product with only a plain K may not have any supervision, the >> manufacturer can put a plain K because you can't copyright a letter of >> the alphabet. >> >> "Storrmmee" > wrote in message >> ... >>>I know that part, but was thinking if i went to all that trouble to read >>>everything before going home to prepare it would just be easier to by as >>>raw ingrs. as possible, Lee >>> "Julie Bove" > wrote in message >>> ... >>>> >>>> "Storrmmee" > wrote in message >>>> ... >>>>> reading this leads me to beleive that if you are going to keep kosher, >>>>> scratch cooking is a must not an option, Lee >>>> >>>> There are kosher restaurants. Not too many around here, but they're >>>> out there. >>>> >>> >>> >>> >> > > > |
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ping wendy baker OT
You are in the business of selling snacks?
"Storrmmee" > wrote in message ... > the u and k in a circle is most often what is on the snacks i sell, Lee > "Ellen K." > wrote in message > ... >> That's the point of the "hechsher" Wendy and I were discussing, we don't >> have to read anything, just look for a kosher symbol on the package. >> Each kosher supervision agency has its own copyrighted symbol. The best >> known is probably the "OU", which is a U inside a circle. Others include >> the "OK" (a K inside a circle) and "star K" (a K inside a star). A >> plain K on the package means the *manufacturer* says the product is >> kosher, but doesn't identify the supervising agency, and in fact a >> product with only a plain K may not have any supervision, the >> manufacturer can put a plain K because you can't copyright a letter of >> the alphabet. >> >> "Storrmmee" > wrote in message >> ... >>>I know that part, but was thinking if i went to all that trouble to read >>>everything before going home to prepare it would just be easier to by as >>>raw ingrs. as possible, Lee >>> "Julie Bove" > wrote in message >>> ... >>>> >>>> "Storrmmee" > wrote in message >>>> ... >>>>> reading this leads me to beleive that if you are going to keep kosher, >>>>> scratch cooking is a must not an option, Lee >>>> >>>> There are kosher restaurants. Not too many around here, but they're >>>> out there. >>>> >>> >>> >>> >> > > > |
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ping wendy baker OT
There are MANY certification symbols. The OU and OK are probably the best
known because they are large national organizations. "Storrmmee" > wrote in message ... >I do know many of the packaged snacks i sell are certified, but there are >two different symbols according to the dh, so he keeps an eye on what is >marked, we have been asked in the past and when we are there have opened >machine to let a mom unit shop, > > Lee > "Ellen K." > wrote in message > ... >>I prefer scratch cooking but actually there are MANY kosher-certified >>products available, including quite a few that you probably purchase and >>never realized had kosher supervision. >> >> "Storrmmee" > wrote in message >> ... >>> reading this leads me to beleive that if you are going to keep kosher, >>> scratch cooking is a must not an option, Lee >>> "Ellen K." > wrote in message >>> ... >>>> >>>> "W. Baker" > wrote in message >>>> ... >>>>> Ellen K. > wrote: >>>>> >>>>> : "W. Baker" > wrote in message >>>>> : ... >>>>> : > Storrmmee > wrote: >>>>> : > : i know this sounds weird, but it is my impression that kosher >>>>> does ntot >>>>> : > : allow meat and dairy in the same meal/same time? if so does >>>>> this >>>>> : > include >>>>> : > : all dairy or just milk? also can you use a substitute like >>>>> parkey or >>>>> : > : soy/rice cheese? i know this is off topic but i just read about >>>>> soy >>>>> : > cream >>>>> : > : cheese substitute and that set me wondering, Lee >>>>> : > >>>>> : > All dairy is included in the injunction to not eat meat and milk >>>>> in the >>>>> : > same mal, etc. You can use supbstitutes like soy milk, etc as >>>>> long as >>>>> : > there is no lctose in it t all. that is , often why you have to >>>>> use >>>>> : > non-daiary products that carry a small label that tells you that >>>>> it is >>>>> : > approved by a kosher supervising agancy. >>>>> : > >>>>> : > There is a soy cream cheese substitute, brand name, Tofutti. They >>>>> also >>>>> : > make a sour cram subastitute. You can amake a substitue by adding >>>>> bit of >>>>> : > lemon juic eor vinegar to the soy milk to kind of curdle it. All >>>>> kinds of >>>>> : > tricks to try to broaden ones repetoire. >>>>> : > >>>>> : > Wendy >>>>> : > >>>>> >>>>> : I think lactose per se is not the issue, if it is possible to create >>>>> it >>>>> : chemically without physical milk it wouldn't be dairy. The issue >>>>> is >>>>> : physical milk, i.e. milk that was produced by an animal. >>>>> >>>>> That is why those of us wh keep kosher need to have our hachsher on >>>>> many >>>>> priducts , because there well may be ingrredients with a long distnt >>>>> dairy >>>>> base that can be a problem, like much lactic acid. this is also why >>>>> many >>>>> with milk allergies look for products that have hechshers tht show >>>>> either >>>>> meat or neutral(parev) so they can have the assurance that there is no >>>>> dairy based acids etc in the product. >>>>> >>>>> Wendy >>>>> >>>> >>>> And conversely, a product can contain lactic acid without containing >>>> any dairy matter. (Lactic acid can apparently be created in the lab. >>>> I found this out once when I called the supervising rav of a product >>>> labeled pareve that showed lactic acid on the ingredient list.) >>>> >>>> But your larger point is absolutely correct, we need a hechsher, an >>>> ingredient list doesn't determine anything, not least because the US >>>> legal requirement is to list items amounting to 2% or more of the >>>> product, whereas batel bashishim -- if even applicable -- would be less >>>> than that... so a product could contain a non-kosher ingredient making >>>> up more than 1/60 of the product but less than 1/50 (2%) and we would >>>> never know by looking at the ingredient list. Besides that, >>>> supervision is also necessary to make sure no insects are in the >>>> product. >>> >>> >>> >> > > |
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ping wendy baker OT
There are MANY certification symbols. The OU and OK are probably the best
known because they are large national organizations. "Storrmmee" > wrote in message ... >I do know many of the packaged snacks i sell are certified, but there are >two different symbols according to the dh, so he keeps an eye on what is >marked, we have been asked in the past and when we are there have opened >machine to let a mom unit shop, > > Lee > "Ellen K." > wrote in message > ... >>I prefer scratch cooking but actually there are MANY kosher-certified >>products available, including quite a few that you probably purchase and >>never realized had kosher supervision. >> >> "Storrmmee" > wrote in message >> ... >>> reading this leads me to beleive that if you are going to keep kosher, >>> scratch cooking is a must not an option, Lee >>> "Ellen K." > wrote in message >>> ... >>>> >>>> "W. Baker" > wrote in message >>>> ... >>>>> Ellen K. > wrote: >>>>> >>>>> : "W. Baker" > wrote in message >>>>> : ... >>>>> : > Storrmmee > wrote: >>>>> : > : i know this sounds weird, but it is my impression that kosher >>>>> does ntot >>>>> : > : allow meat and dairy in the same meal/same time? if so does >>>>> this >>>>> : > include >>>>> : > : all dairy or just milk? also can you use a substitute like >>>>> parkey or >>>>> : > : soy/rice cheese? i know this is off topic but i just read about >>>>> soy >>>>> : > cream >>>>> : > : cheese substitute and that set me wondering, Lee >>>>> : > >>>>> : > All dairy is included in the injunction to not eat meat and milk >>>>> in the >>>>> : > same mal, etc. You can use supbstitutes like soy milk, etc as >>>>> long as >>>>> : > there is no lctose in it t all. that is , often why you have to >>>>> use >>>>> : > non-daiary products that carry a small label that tells you that >>>>> it is >>>>> : > approved by a kosher supervising agancy. >>>>> : > >>>>> : > There is a soy cream cheese substitute, brand name, Tofutti. They >>>>> also >>>>> : > make a sour cram subastitute. You can amake a substitue by adding >>>>> bit of >>>>> : > lemon juic eor vinegar to the soy milk to kind of curdle it. All >>>>> kinds of >>>>> : > tricks to try to broaden ones repetoire. >>>>> : > >>>>> : > Wendy >>>>> : > >>>>> >>>>> : I think lactose per se is not the issue, if it is possible to create >>>>> it >>>>> : chemically without physical milk it wouldn't be dairy. The issue >>>>> is >>>>> : physical milk, i.e. milk that was produced by an animal. >>>>> >>>>> That is why those of us wh keep kosher need to have our hachsher on >>>>> many >>>>> priducts , because there well may be ingrredients with a long distnt >>>>> dairy >>>>> base that can be a problem, like much lactic acid. this is also why >>>>> many >>>>> with milk allergies look for products that have hechshers tht show >>>>> either >>>>> meat or neutral(parev) so they can have the assurance that there is no >>>>> dairy based acids etc in the product. >>>>> >>>>> Wendy >>>>> >>>> >>>> And conversely, a product can contain lactic acid without containing >>>> any dairy matter. (Lactic acid can apparently be created in the lab. >>>> I found this out once when I called the supervising rav of a product >>>> labeled pareve that showed lactic acid on the ingredient list.) >>>> >>>> But your larger point is absolutely correct, we need a hechsher, an >>>> ingredient list doesn't determine anything, not least because the US >>>> legal requirement is to list items amounting to 2% or more of the >>>> product, whereas batel bashishim -- if even applicable -- would be less >>>> than that... so a product could contain a non-kosher ingredient making >>>> up more than 1/60 of the product but less than 1/50 (2%) and we would >>>> never know by looking at the ingredient list. Besides that, >>>> supervision is also necessary to make sure no insects are in the >>>> product. >>> >>> >>> >> > > |
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ok but be forwarned... this is a creative writing group... the cats do the
talking for the most part... its MUCH better than paying a therapist, so don't hold it against me. the group is rec.pets.cats.community the posters screen name or nic or whatever is petunia, you will see it spelled differently deepending on her mood, its recent so at the bottm Lee "Ellen K." > wrote in message ... > It is definitely the news server. > > Would you mind telling me the name of the other group where it is > occurring (from somebody other than me)? I would like to look at who > the ISP is. > > "Storrmmee" > wrote in message > ... >>i am not sure if i said it but on the other group this is occuring on they >>think its the news server, i am clueless as i am barely competent to send >>and rec. email and post messages, Lee >> "Ellen K." > wrote in message >> ... >>> My ISP's customer service is generally quite good, that's why this is so >>> disappointing. >>> >>> Oh well, a learning experience. >>> >>> "Storrmmee" > wrote in message >>> ... >>>> the thing that makes our isp so bad is it is the only access we can >>>> get, in a rural area phone co still has a monopoly and they hold dial >>>> up and dsl, cable/dish is simpley too high, so when we call with an >>>> issue, instead of hearing what the issue is they immediately assume >>>> that the dh is a moron and try to make him reset settings and check >>>> phone lines, and since he did communications in the serbice, he doesn't >>>> even call until he as done all of that, again good luck, Lee >>>> "Ellen K." > wrote in message >>>> ... >>>>> Honestly I'm irritated that they fobbed me off onto the hosting >>>>> outfit... *they* are the customer of the hosting outfit, but *I* am >>>>> THEIR (the ISP's) customer and as such THEY should be taking care of >>>>> this. >>>>> >>>>> Oh well. This should be my biggest problem in life. >>>>> >>>>> "Storrmmee" > wrote in message >>>>> ... >>>>>>i am also sorry, I didn't realize until afterwords that was what was >>>>>>going on, on another group i am on i noticed it was gong on with >>>>>>another poster there, then i came back and looked at this group again, >>>>>>our ISP is a major PITA, so i will wish you the best of luck in >>>>>>getting a resolution... quick would probably too much to ask for, lol, >>>>>>Lee >>>>>> "Ellen K." > wrote in message >>>>>> ... >>>>>>>I know. I'm really sorry about the multiple appearances of my posts, >>>>>>>I have complained to my ISP whose news server it is, they referred me >>>>>>>to the hosting outfit, who acknowledged my complaint but haven't yet >>>>>>>responded. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> "Storrmmee" > wrote in message >>>>>>> ... >>>>>>>>i have already responded to this, Lee >>>>>>>> "Ellen K." > wrote in message >>>>>>>> ... >>>>>>>>> There is no rule that says a Jew shouldn't watch a non-Jew eating >>>>>>>>> meat and dairy together, or for that matter eating any other >>>>>>>>> non-kosher food such as pork or shellfish. Our rules are only >>>>>>>>> applicable to ourselves. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> However, if your friend was fully observant she would not eat food >>>>>>>>> prepared in a non-kosher establishment. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> "Storrmmee" > wrote in message >>>>>>>>> ... >>>>>>>>>> thanks, i find this subject very interesting, when i think of >>>>>>>>>> this i am reminded of a jewish friend who first introduced me to >>>>>>>>>> this when we first ate lunch together, i ordered a cheeseburger >>>>>>>>>> and glass of milk, lol, she asked if i would not order it and >>>>>>>>>> when i asked why i learned about the basics... so i got grilled >>>>>>>>>> chicken and iced tea instead... later in the evening we had >>>>>>>>>> milkshakes instead of dinner, wonderful memories, Lee >>>>>>>>>> "W. Baker" > wrote in message >>>>>>>>>> ... >>>>>>>>>>> Storrmmee > wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> : i know this sounds weird, but it is my impression that kosher >>>>>>>>>>> does ntot >>>>>>>>>>> : allow meat and dairy in the same meal/same time? if so does >>>>>>>>>>> this include >>>>>>>>>>> : all dairy or just milk? also can you use a substitute like >>>>>>>>>>> parkey or >>>>>>>>>>> : soy/rice cheese? i know this is off topic but i just read >>>>>>>>>>> about soy cream >>>>>>>>>>> : cheese substitute and that set me wondering, Lee >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> All dairy is included in the injunction to not eat meat and milk >>>>>>>>>>> in the >>>>>>>>>>> same mal, etc. You can use supbstitutes like soy milk, etc as >>>>>>>>>>> long as >>>>>>>>>>> there is no lctose in it t all. that is , often why you have to >>>>>>>>>>> use >>>>>>>>>>> non-daiary products that carry a small label that tells you that >>>>>>>>>>> it is >>>>>>>>>>> approved by a kosher supervising agancy. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> There is a soy cream cheese substitute, brand name, Tofutti. >>>>>>>>>>> They also >>>>>>>>>>> make a sour cram subastitute. You can amake a substitue by >>>>>>>>>>> adding bit of >>>>>>>>>>> lemon juic eor vinegar to the soy milk to kind of curdle it. >>>>>>>>>>> All kinds of >>>>>>>>>>> tricks to try to broaden ones repetoire. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Wendy >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >> >> > |
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