i know this sounds weird, but it is my impression that kosher does ntot
allow meat and dairy in the same meal/same time? if so does this include
all dairy or just milk? also can you use a substitute like parkey or
soy/rice cheese? i know this is off topic but i just read about soy cream
cheese substitute and that set me wondering, Lee

"Storrmmee" > wrote in message
...
>i know this sounds weird, but it is my impression that kosher does ntot
>allow meat and dairy in the same meal/same time? if so does this include
>all dairy or just milk? also can you use a substitute like parkey or
>soy/rice cheese? i know this is off topic but i just read about soy cream
>cheese substitute and that set me wondering, Lee

I'm not Wendy but Parkay contains dairy, I believe. Here we can get Nucoa
and Benecol. They are the only two with no dairy in this area. I hear tell
there is a Fleischman's with no dairy and there is also one called Mother's,
but I think it is only put out at a certain time of the year. Some soy and
rice cheese also contains dairy. You have to check the label.

thanks, i had no idea, Lee
"Julie Bove" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Storrmmee" > wrote in message
> ...
>>i know this sounds weird, but it is my impression that kosher does ntot
>>allow meat and dairy in the same meal/same time? if so does this include
>>all dairy or just milk? also can you use a substitute like parkey or
>>soy/rice cheese? i know this is off topic but i just read about soy cream
>>cheese substitute and that set me wondering, Lee
>
> I'm not Wendy but Parkay contains dairy, I believe. Here we can get Nucoa
> and Benecol. They are the only two with no dairy in this area. I hear
> tell there is a Fleischman's with no dairy and there is also one called
> Mother's, but I think it is only put out at a certain time of the year.
> Some soy and rice cheese also contains dairy. You have to check the
> label.
>

Storrmmee > wrote:
: i know this sounds weird, but it is my impression that kosher does ntot
: allow meat and dairy in the same meal/same time? if so does this include
: all dairy or just milk? also can you use a substitute like parkey or
: soy/rice cheese? i know this is off topic but i just read about soy cream
: cheese substitute and that set me wondering, Lee

All dairy is included in the injunction to not eat meat and milk in the
same mal, etc. You can use supbstitutes like soy milk, etc as long as
there is no lctose in it t all. that is , often why you have to use
non-daiary products that carry a small label that tells you that it is
approved by a kosher supervising agancy.

There is a soy cream cheese substitute, brand name, Tofutti. They also
make a sour cram subastitute. You can amake a substitue by adding bit of
lemon juic eor vinegar to the soy milk to kind of curdle it. All kinds of
tricks to try to broaden ones repetoire.

Wendy

thanks, i find this subject very interesting, when i think of this i am
reminded of a jewish friend who first introduced me to this when we first
ate lunch together, i ordered a cheeseburger and glass of milk, lol, she
asked if i would not order it and when i asked why i learned about the
basics... so i got grilled chicken and iced tea instead... later in the
evening we had milkshakes instead of dinner, wonderful memories, Lee
"W. Baker" > wrote in message
...
> Storrmmee > wrote:
> : i know this sounds weird, but it is my impression that kosher does ntot
> : allow meat and dairy in the same meal/same time? if so does this
> include
> : all dairy or just milk? also can you use a substitute like parkey or
> : soy/rice cheese? i know this is off topic but i just read about soy
> cream
> : cheese substitute and that set me wondering, Lee
>
> All dairy is included in the injunction to not eat meat and milk in the
> same mal, etc. You can use supbstitutes like soy milk, etc as long as
> there is no lctose in it t all. that is , often why you have to use
> non-daiary products that carry a small label that tells you that it is
> approved by a kosher supervising agancy.
>
> There is a soy cream cheese substitute, brand name, Tofutti. They also
> make a sour cram subastitute. You can amake a substitue by adding bit of
> lemon juic eor vinegar to the soy milk to kind of curdle it. All kinds of
> tricks to try to broaden ones repetoire.
>
> Wendy
>

Storrmmee wrote:
> thanks, i find this subject very interesting, when i think of this i
> am reminded of a jewish friend who first introduced me to this when
> we first ate lunch together, i ordered a cheeseburger and glass of
> milk, lol, she asked if i would not order it

That is astonishing. I've had a number of friends who kept kosher, and they
never asked other people to observe their rules in a public restaurant. If
you are sharing the food, sure. But otherwise? Very strange.

I'm glad you weren't bothered by it. I would have been surprised, to say the
least.

we had a very interesting friendship, we both do the same kind of work,
except she had more disabilities than blindness, we were able to discuss
anything, and our relationship was much more open than most women share...
she stuttered tremendously, but as i grew up next door to a guy that did,
not only did her stuttering not bother me, i was able to NOT help her so she
actually calmed down and she talked better, she would NEVER have asked
someone else, but she was comfortable enough with me that she felt she
could, just as when she came to a meeting a few months later, i asked her to
NEVER wear the perfume she had on around me... i am allergic to most but
this one was really hard on me... again, i am sure she wouldn't have asked
another person, but we had almost immediate trust in each other,

Lee
"Janet" > wrote in message
...
> Storrmmee wrote:
>> thanks, i find this subject very interesting, when i think of this i
>> am reminded of a jewish friend who first introduced me to this when
>> we first ate lunch together, i ordered a cheeseburger and glass of
>> milk, lol, she asked if i would not order it
>
> That is astonishing. I've had a number of friends who kept kosher, and
> they never asked other people to observe their rules in a public
> restaurant. If you are sharing the food, sure. But otherwise? Very
> strange.
>
> I'm glad you weren't bothered by it. I would have been surprised, to say
> the least.
>

Storrmmee > wrote:
: we had a very interesting friendship, we both do the same kind of work,
: except she had more disabilities than blindness, we were able to discuss
: anything, and our relationship was much more open than most women share...
: she stuttered tremendously, but as i grew up next door to a guy that did,
: not only did her stuttering not bother me, i was able to NOT help her so she
: actually calmed down and she talked better, she would NEVER have asked
: someone else, but she was comfortable enough with me that she felt she
: could, just as when she came to a meeting a few months later, i asked her to
: NEVER wear the perfume she had on around me... i am allergic to most but
: this one was really hard on me... again, i am sure she wouldn't have asked
: another person, but we had almost immediate trust in each other,

: Lee

As a person who observes the kosher regulations, I would have no problem
with someone etng non-kosher food or combinations when eating with me, as
long as I have access to foods tht fit my religious requirements. If you
are not Jewish, yourself, you are under absolutely no obligation to
follow these rules.

Wendy

There is no rule that says a Jew shouldn't watch a non-Jew eating meat and
dairy together, or for that matter eating any other non-kosher food such as
pork or shellfish. Our rules are only applicable to ourselves.

However, if your friend was fully observant she would not eat food prepared
in a non-kosher establishment.

"Storrmmee" > wrote in message
...
> thanks, i find this subject very interesting, when i think of this i am
> reminded of a jewish friend who first introduced me to this when we first
> ate lunch together, i ordered a cheeseburger and glass of milk, lol, she
> asked if i would not order it and when i asked why i learned about the
> basics... so i got grilled chicken and iced tea instead... later in the
> evening we had milkshakes instead of dinner, wonderful memories, Lee
> "W. Baker" > wrote in message
> ...
>> Storrmmee > wrote:
>> : i know this sounds weird, but it is my impression that kosher does ntot
>> : allow meat and dairy in the same meal/same time? if so does this
>> include
>> : all dairy or just milk? also can you use a substitute like parkey or
>> : soy/rice cheese? i know this is off topic but i just read about soy
>> cream
>> : cheese substitute and that set me wondering, Lee
>>
>> All dairy is included in the injunction to not eat meat and milk in the
>> same mal, etc. You can use supbstitutes like soy milk, etc as long as
>> there is no lctose in it t all. that is , often why you have to use
>> non-daiary products that carry a small label that tells you that it is
>> approved by a kosher supervising agancy.
>>
>> There is a soy cream cheese substitute, brand name, Tofutti. They also
>> make a sour cram subastitute. You can amake a substitue by adding bit
>> of
>> lemon juic eor vinegar to the soy milk to kind of curdle it. All kinds
>> of
>> tricks to try to broaden ones repetoire.
>>
>> Wendy
>>
>
>
>

sorry,

it wasn't the "kosherness", if thats a word, of the food, it was that she
was raised kosher and the smell of the two together really bothered her,
kosher only got explained when i asked what it meant, she gave me a very,
and i mean "designed for the ignorant gentile basic, but it was just by way
of explaining that she was grossed out by the smells, Lee
"Ellen K." > wrote in message
...
> There is no rule that says a Jew shouldn't watch a non-Jew eating meat and
> dairy together, or for that matter eating any other non-kosher food such
> as pork or shellfish. Our rules are only applicable to ourselves.
>
> However, if your friend was fully observant she would not eat food
> prepared in a non-kosher establishment.
>
> "Storrmmee" > wrote in message
> ...
>> thanks, i find this subject very interesting, when i think of this i am
>> reminded of a jewish friend who first introduced me to this when we first
>> ate lunch together, i ordered a cheeseburger and glass of milk, lol, she
>> asked if i would not order it and when i asked why i learned about the
>> basics... so i got grilled chicken and iced tea instead... later in the
>> evening we had milkshakes instead of dinner, wonderful memories, Lee
>> "W. Baker" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> Storrmmee > wrote:
>>> : i know this sounds weird, but it is my impression that kosher does
>>> ntot
>>> : allow meat and dairy in the same meal/same time? if so does this
>>> include
>>> : all dairy or just milk? also can you use a substitute like parkey or
>>> : soy/rice cheese? i know this is off topic but i just read about soy
>>> cream
>>> : cheese substitute and that set me wondering, Lee
>>>
>>> All dairy is included in the injunction to not eat meat and milk in the
>>> same mal, etc. You can use supbstitutes like soy milk, etc as long as
>>> there is no lctose in it t all. that is , often why you have to use
>>> non-daiary products that carry a small label that tells you that it is
>>> approved by a kosher supervising agancy.
>>>
>>> There is a soy cream cheese substitute, brand name, Tofutti. They also
>>> make a sour cram subastitute. You can amake a substitue by adding bit
>>> of
>>> lemon juic eor vinegar to the soy milk to kind of curdle it. All kinds
>>> of
>>> tricks to try to broaden ones repetoire.
>>>
>>> Wendy
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>

This topic is making me yearn for the Kosher dairy restaurant on Fifth
Avenue near a former office of mine in Manhattan. Their blintzes,
especially the potato ones, were to die for. Of course now I couldn't eat
them anyway...

"Janet" > wrote in message
...
> This topic is making me yearn for the Kosher dairy restaurant on Fifth
> Avenue near a former office of mine in Manhattan. Their blintzes,
> especially the potato ones, were to die for. Of course now I couldn't eat
> them anyway...

So maybe it's just as well!

However, I think something pretty closely resembling real cheese blintzes
can be made low-carb. The blettlakh (crepes) don't have much flour to begin
with, haven't looked at a recipe but if a person is only going to eat one or
two blintzes, that part might not really be an issue... and the filling, ok
first of all use splenda instead of sugar, and then make sure to use
full-fat farmer cheese and cream cheese for the cheese parts, and the eggs
aren't a problem anyway... ???

"Janet" > wrote in message
...
> This topic is making me yearn for the Kosher dairy restaurant on Fifth
> Avenue near a former office of mine in Manhattan. Their blintzes,
> especially the potato ones, were to die for. Of course now I couldn't eat
> them anyway...

So maybe it's just as well!

However, I think something pretty closely resembling real cheese blintzes
can be made low-carb. The blettlakh (crepes) don't have much flour to begin
with, haven't looked at a recipe but if a person is only going to eat one or
two blintzes, that part might not really be an issue... and the filling, ok
first of all use splenda instead of sugar, and then make sure to use
full-fat farmer cheese and cream cheese for the cheese parts, and the eggs
aren't a problem anyway... ???

Janet > wrote:
: This topic is making me yearn for the Kosher dairy restaurant on Fifth
: Avenue near a former office of mine in Manhattan. Their blintzes,
: especially the potato ones, were to die for. Of course now I couldn't eat
: them anyway...

Get ready to not et potato latkes. channukah starts Wed. night:-) You
could , of course, try some zuchinni ones:-)

Wendy

"Janet" > wrote in message
...
> This topic is making me yearn for the Kosher dairy restaurant on Fifth
> Avenue near a former office of mine in Manhattan. Their blintzes,
> especially the potato ones, were to die for. Of course now I couldn't eat
> them anyway...

So maybe it's just as well!

However, I think something pretty closely resembling real cheese blintzes
can be made low-carb. The blettlakh (crepes) don't have much flour to begin
with, haven't looked at a recipe but if a person is only going to eat one or
two blintzes, that part might not really be an issue... and the filling, ok
first of all use splenda instead of sugar, and then make sure to use
full-fat farmer cheese and cream cheese for the cheese parts, and the eggs
aren't a problem anyway... ???

There is no rule that says a Jew shouldn't watch a non-Jew eating meat and
dairy together, or for that matter eating any other non-kosher food such as
pork or shellfish. Our rules are only applicable to ourselves.

However, if your friend was fully observant she would not eat food prepared
in a non-kosher establishment.

"Storrmmee" > wrote in message
...
> thanks, i find this subject very interesting, when i think of this i am
> reminded of a jewish friend who first introduced me to this when we first
> ate lunch together, i ordered a cheeseburger and glass of milk, lol, she
> asked if i would not order it and when i asked why i learned about the
> basics... so i got grilled chicken and iced tea instead... later in the
> evening we had milkshakes instead of dinner, wonderful memories, Lee
> "W. Baker" > wrote in message
> ...
>> Storrmmee > wrote:
>> : i know this sounds weird, but it is my impression that kosher does ntot
>> : allow meat and dairy in the same meal/same time? if so does this
>> include
>> : all dairy or just milk? also can you use a substitute like parkey or
>> : soy/rice cheese? i know this is off topic but i just read about soy
>> cream
>> : cheese substitute and that set me wondering, Lee
>>
>> All dairy is included in the injunction to not eat meat and milk in the
>> same mal, etc. You can use supbstitutes like soy milk, etc as long as
>> there is no lctose in it t all. that is , often why you have to use
>> non-daiary products that carry a small label that tells you that it is
>> approved by a kosher supervising agancy.
>>
>> There is a soy cream cheese substitute, brand name, Tofutti. They also
>> make a sour cram subastitute. You can amake a substitue by adding bit
>> of
>> lemon juic eor vinegar to the soy milk to kind of curdle it. All kinds
>> of
>> tricks to try to broaden ones repetoire.
>>
>> Wendy
>>
>
>
>

see my other post, Lee
"Ellen K." > wrote in message
...
> There is no rule that says a Jew shouldn't watch a non-Jew eating meat and
> dairy together, or for that matter eating any other non-kosher food such
> as pork or shellfish. Our rules are only applicable to ourselves.
>
> However, if your friend was fully observant she would not eat food
> prepared in a non-kosher establishment.
>
> "Storrmmee" > wrote in message
> ...
>> thanks, i find this subject very interesting, when i think of this i am
>> reminded of a jewish friend who first introduced me to this when we first
>> ate lunch together, i ordered a cheeseburger and glass of milk, lol, she
>> asked if i would not order it and when i asked why i learned about the
>> basics... so i got grilled chicken and iced tea instead... later in the
>> evening we had milkshakes instead of dinner, wonderful memories, Lee
>> "W. Baker" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> Storrmmee > wrote:
>>> : i know this sounds weird, but it is my impression that kosher does
>>> ntot
>>> : allow meat and dairy in the same meal/same time? if so does this
>>> include
>>> : all dairy or just milk? also can you use a substitute like parkey or
>>> : soy/rice cheese? i know this is off topic but i just read about soy
>>> cream
>>> : cheese substitute and that set me wondering, Lee
>>>
>>> All dairy is included in the injunction to not eat meat and milk in the
>>> same mal, etc. You can use supbstitutes like soy milk, etc as long as
>>> there is no lctose in it t all. that is , often why you have to use
>>> non-daiary products that carry a small label that tells you that it is
>>> approved by a kosher supervising agancy.
>>>
>>> There is a soy cream cheese substitute, brand name, Tofutti. They also
>>> make a sour cram subastitute. You can amake a substitue by adding bit
>>> of
>>> lemon juic eor vinegar to the soy milk to kind of curdle it. All kinds
>>> of
>>> tricks to try to broaden ones repetoire.
>>>
>>> Wendy
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>

There is no rule that says a Jew shouldn't watch a non-Jew eating meat and
dairy together, or for that matter eating any other non-kosher food such as
pork or shellfish. Our rules are only applicable to ourselves.

However, if your friend was fully observant she would not eat food prepared
in a non-kosher establishment.

"Storrmmee" > wrote in message
...
> thanks, i find this subject very interesting, when i think of this i am
> reminded of a jewish friend who first introduced me to this when we first
> ate lunch together, i ordered a cheeseburger and glass of milk, lol, she
> asked if i would not order it and when i asked why i learned about the
> basics... so i got grilled chicken and iced tea instead... later in the
> evening we had milkshakes instead of dinner, wonderful memories, Lee
> "W. Baker" > wrote in message
> ...
>> Storrmmee > wrote:
>> : i know this sounds weird, but it is my impression that kosher does ntot
>> : allow meat and dairy in the same meal/same time? if so does this
>> include
>> : all dairy or just milk? also can you use a substitute like parkey or
>> : soy/rice cheese? i know this is off topic but i just read about soy
>> cream
>> : cheese substitute and that set me wondering, Lee
>>
>> All dairy is included in the injunction to not eat meat and milk in the
>> same mal, etc. You can use supbstitutes like soy milk, etc as long as
>> there is no lctose in it t all. that is , often why you have to use
>> non-daiary products that carry a small label that tells you that it is
>> approved by a kosher supervising agancy.
>>
>> There is a soy cream cheese substitute, brand name, Tofutti. They also
>> make a sour cram subastitute. You can amake a substitue by adding bit
>> of
>> lemon juic eor vinegar to the soy milk to kind of curdle it. All kinds
>> of
>> tricks to try to broaden ones repetoire.
>>
>> Wendy
>>
>
>
>

i have already responded to this, Lee
"Ellen K." > wrote in message
...
> There is no rule that says a Jew shouldn't watch a non-Jew eating meat and
> dairy together, or for that matter eating any other non-kosher food such
> as pork or shellfish. Our rules are only applicable to ourselves.
>
> However, if your friend was fully observant she would not eat food
> prepared in a non-kosher establishment.
>
> "Storrmmee" > wrote in message
> ...
>> thanks, i find this subject very interesting, when i think of this i am
>> reminded of a jewish friend who first introduced me to this when we first
>> ate lunch together, i ordered a cheeseburger and glass of milk, lol, she
>> asked if i would not order it and when i asked why i learned about the
>> basics... so i got grilled chicken and iced tea instead... later in the
>> evening we had milkshakes instead of dinner, wonderful memories, Lee
>> "W. Baker" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> Storrmmee > wrote:
>>> : i know this sounds weird, but it is my impression that kosher does
>>> ntot
>>> : allow meat and dairy in the same meal/same time? if so does this
>>> include
>>> : all dairy or just milk? also can you use a substitute like parkey or
>>> : soy/rice cheese? i know this is off topic but i just read about soy
>>> cream
>>> : cheese substitute and that set me wondering, Lee
>>>
>>> All dairy is included in the injunction to not eat meat and milk in the
>>> same mal, etc. You can use supbstitutes like soy milk, etc as long as
>>> there is no lctose in it t all. that is , often why you have to use
>>> non-daiary products that carry a small label that tells you that it is
>>> approved by a kosher supervising agancy.
>>>
>>> There is a soy cream cheese substitute, brand name, Tofutti. They also
>>> make a sour cram subastitute. You can amake a substitue by adding bit
>>> of
>>> lemon juic eor vinegar to the soy milk to kind of curdle it. All kinds
>>> of
>>> tricks to try to broaden ones repetoire.
>>>
>>> Wendy
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>

I know. I'm really sorry about the multiple appearances of my posts, I have
complained to my ISP whose news server it is, they referred me to the
hosting outfit, who acknowledged my complaint but haven't yet responded.

"Storrmmee" > wrote in message
...
>i have already responded to this, Lee
> "Ellen K." > wrote in message
> ...
>> There is no rule that says a Jew shouldn't watch a non-Jew eating meat
>> and dairy together, or for that matter eating any other non-kosher food
>> such as pork or shellfish. Our rules are only applicable to ourselves.
>>
>> However, if your friend was fully observant she would not eat food
>> prepared in a non-kosher establishment.
>>
>> "Storrmmee" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> thanks, i find this subject very interesting, when i think of this i am
>>> reminded of a jewish friend who first introduced me to this when we
>>> first ate lunch together, i ordered a cheeseburger and glass of milk,
>>> lol, she asked if i would not order it and when i asked why i learned
>>> about the basics... so i got grilled chicken and iced tea instead...
>>> later in the evening we had milkshakes instead of dinner, wonderful
>>> memories, Lee
>>> "W. Baker" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>> Storrmmee > wrote:
>>>> : i know this sounds weird, but it is my impression that kosher does
>>>> ntot
>>>> : allow meat and dairy in the same meal/same time? if so does this
>>>> include
>>>> : all dairy or just milk? also can you use a substitute like parkey or
>>>> : soy/rice cheese? i know this is off topic but i just read about soy
>>>> cream
>>>> : cheese substitute and that set me wondering, Lee
>>>>
>>>> All dairy is included in the injunction to not eat meat and milk in the
>>>> same mal, etc. You can use supbstitutes like soy milk, etc as long as
>>>> there is no lctose in it t all. that is , often why you have to use
>>>> non-daiary products that carry a small label that tells you that it is
>>>> approved by a kosher supervising agancy.
>>>>
>>>> There is a soy cream cheese substitute, brand name, Tofutti. They also
>>>> make a sour cram subastitute. You can amake a substitue by adding bit
>>>> of
>>>> lemon juic eor vinegar to the soy milk to kind of curdle it. All kinds
>>>> of
>>>> tricks to try to broaden ones repetoire.
>>>>
>>>> Wendy
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>
>

I know. I'm really sorry about the multiple appearances of my posts, I have
complained to my ISP whose news server it is, they referred me to the
hosting outfit, who acknowledged my complaint but haven't yet responded.

"Storrmmee" > wrote in message
...
>i have already responded to this, Lee
> "Ellen K." > wrote in message
> ...
>> There is no rule that says a Jew shouldn't watch a non-Jew eating meat
>> and dairy together, or for that matter eating any other non-kosher food
>> such as pork or shellfish. Our rules are only applicable to ourselves.
>>
>> However, if your friend was fully observant she would not eat food
>> prepared in a non-kosher establishment.
>>
>> "Storrmmee" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> thanks, i find this subject very interesting, when i think of this i am
>>> reminded of a jewish friend who first introduced me to this when we
>>> first ate lunch together, i ordered a cheeseburger and glass of milk,
>>> lol, she asked if i would not order it and when i asked why i learned
>>> about the basics... so i got grilled chicken and iced tea instead...
>>> later in the evening we had milkshakes instead of dinner, wonderful
>>> memories, Lee
>>> "W. Baker" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>> Storrmmee > wrote:
>>>> : i know this sounds weird, but it is my impression that kosher does
>>>> ntot
>>>> : allow meat and dairy in the same meal/same time? if so does this
>>>> include
>>>> : all dairy or just milk? also can you use a substitute like parkey or
>>>> : soy/rice cheese? i know this is off topic but i just read about soy
>>>> cream
>>>> : cheese substitute and that set me wondering, Lee
>>>>
>>>> All dairy is included in the injunction to not eat meat and milk in the
>>>> same mal, etc. You can use supbstitutes like soy milk, etc as long as
>>>> there is no lctose in it t all. that is , often why you have to use
>>>> non-daiary products that carry a small label that tells you that it is
>>>> approved by a kosher supervising agancy.
>>>>
>>>> There is a soy cream cheese substitute, brand name, Tofutti. They also
>>>> make a sour cram subastitute. You can amake a substitue by adding bit
>>>> of
>>>> lemon juic eor vinegar to the soy milk to kind of curdle it. All kinds
>>>> of
>>>> tricks to try to broaden ones repetoire.
>>>>
>>>> Wendy
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>
>

"W. Baker" > wrote in message
...
> Storrmmee > wrote:
> : i know this sounds weird, but it is my impression that kosher does ntot
> : allow meat and dairy in the same meal/same time? if so does this
> include
> : all dairy or just milk? also can you use a substitute like parkey or
> : soy/rice cheese? i know this is off topic but i just read about soy
> cream
> : cheese substitute and that set me wondering, Lee
>
> All dairy is included in the injunction to not eat meat and milk in the
> same mal, etc. You can use supbstitutes like soy milk, etc as long as
> there is no lctose in it t all. that is , often why you have to use
> non-daiary products that carry a small label that tells you that it is
> approved by a kosher supervising agancy.
>
> There is a soy cream cheese substitute, brand name, Tofutti. They also
> make a sour cram subastitute. You can amake a substitue by adding bit of
> lemon juic eor vinegar to the soy milk to kind of curdle it. All kinds of
> tricks to try to broaden ones repetoire.
>
> Wendy
>

I think lactose per se is not the issue, if it is possible to create it
chemically without physical milk it wouldn't be dairy. The issue is
physical milk, i.e. milk that was produced by an animal.

Ellen K. > wrote:

: "W. Baker" > wrote in message
: ...
: > Storrmmee > wrote:
: > : i know this sounds weird, but it is my impression that kosher does ntot
: > : allow meat and dairy in the same meal/same time? if so does this
: > include
: > : all dairy or just milk? also can you use a substitute like parkey or
: > : soy/rice cheese? i know this is off topic but i just read about soy
: > cream
: > : cheese substitute and that set me wondering, Lee
: >
: > All dairy is included in the injunction to not eat meat and milk in the
: > same mal, etc. You can use supbstitutes like soy milk, etc as long as
: > there is no lctose in it t all. that is , often why you have to use
: > non-daiary products that carry a small label that tells you that it is
: > approved by a kosher supervising agancy.
: >
: > There is a soy cream cheese substitute, brand name, Tofutti. They also
: > make a sour cram subastitute. You can amake a substitue by adding bit of
: > lemon juic eor vinegar to the soy milk to kind of curdle it. All kinds of
: > tricks to try to broaden ones repetoire.
: >
: > Wendy
: >

: I think lactose per se is not the issue, if it is possible to create it
: chemically without physical milk it wouldn't be dairy. The issue is
: physical milk, i.e. milk that was produced by an animal.

That is why those of us wh keep kosher need to have our hachsher on many
priducts , because there well may be ingrredients with a long distnt dairy
base that can be a problem, like much lactic acid. this is also why many
with milk allergies look for products that have hechshers tht show either
meat or neutral(parev) so they can have the assurance that there is no
dairy based acids etc in the product.

Wendy

"W. Baker" > wrote in message
...
> Ellen K. > wrote:
>
> : "W. Baker" > wrote in message
> : ...
> : > Storrmmee > wrote:
> : > : i know this sounds weird, but it is my impression that kosher does
> ntot
> : > : allow meat and dairy in the same meal/same time? if so does this
> : > include
> : > : all dairy or just milk? also can you use a substitute like parkey or
> : > : soy/rice cheese? i know this is off topic but i just read about soy
> : > cream
> : > : cheese substitute and that set me wondering, Lee
> : >
> : > All dairy is included in the injunction to not eat meat and milk in
> the
> : > same mal, etc. You can use supbstitutes like soy milk, etc as long as
> : > there is no lctose in it t all. that is , often why you have to use
> : > non-daiary products that carry a small label that tells you that it is
> : > approved by a kosher supervising agancy.
> : >
> : > There is a soy cream cheese substitute, brand name, Tofutti. They also
> : > make a sour cram subastitute. You can amake a substitue by adding
> bit of
> : > lemon juic eor vinegar to the soy milk to kind of curdle it. All
> kinds of
> : > tricks to try to broaden ones repetoire.
> : >
> : > Wendy
> : >
>
> : I think lactose per se is not the issue, if it is possible to create it
> : chemically without physical milk it wouldn't be dairy. The issue is
> : physical milk, i.e. milk that was produced by an animal.
>
> That is why those of us wh keep kosher need to have our hachsher on many
> priducts , because there well may be ingrredients with a long distnt dairy
> base that can be a problem, like much lactic acid. this is also why many
> with milk allergies look for products that have hechshers tht show either
> meat or neutral(parev) so they can have the assurance that there is no
> dairy based acids etc in the product.
>
> Wendy
>

And conversely, a product can contain lactic acid without containing any
dairy matter. (Lactic acid can apparently be created in the lab. I found
this out once when I called the supervising rav of a product labeled pareve
that showed lactic acid on the ingredient list.)

But your larger point is absolutely correct, we need a hechsher, an
ingredient list doesn't determine anything, not least because the US legal
requirement is to list items amounting to 2% or more of the product, whereas
batel bashishim -- if even applicable -- would be less than that... so a
product could contain a non-kosher ingredient making up more than 1/60 of
the product but less than 1/50 (2%) and we would never know by looking at
the ingredient list. Besides that, supervision is also necessary to make
sure no insects are in the product.

"W. Baker" > wrote in message
...
> Ellen K. > wrote:
>
> : "W. Baker" > wrote in message
> : ...
> : > Storrmmee > wrote:
> : > : i know this sounds weird, but it is my impression that kosher does
> ntot
> : > : allow meat and dairy in the same meal/same time? if so does this
> : > include
> : > : all dairy or just milk? also can you use a substitute like parkey or
> : > : soy/rice cheese? i know this is off topic but i just read about soy
> : > cream
> : > : cheese substitute and that set me wondering, Lee
> : >
> : > All dairy is included in the injunction to not eat meat and milk in
> the
> : > same mal, etc. You can use supbstitutes like soy milk, etc as long as
> : > there is no lctose in it t all. that is , often why you have to use
> : > non-daiary products that carry a small label that tells you that it is
> : > approved by a kosher supervising agancy.
> : >
> : > There is a soy cream cheese substitute, brand name, Tofutti. They also
> : > make a sour cram subastitute. You can amake a substitue by adding
> bit of
> : > lemon juic eor vinegar to the soy milk to kind of curdle it. All
> kinds of
> : > tricks to try to broaden ones repetoire.
> : >
> : > Wendy
> : >
>
> : I think lactose per se is not the issue, if it is possible to create it
> : chemically without physical milk it wouldn't be dairy. The issue is
> : physical milk, i.e. milk that was produced by an animal.
>
> That is why those of us wh keep kosher need to have our hachsher on many
> priducts , because there well may be ingrredients with a long distnt dairy
> base that can be a problem, like much lactic acid. this is also why many
> with milk allergies look for products that have hechshers tht show either
> meat or neutral(parev) so they can have the assurance that there is no
> dairy based acids etc in the product.
>
> Wendy
>

And conversely, a product can contain lactic acid without containing any
dairy matter. (Lactic acid can apparently be created in the lab. I found
this out once when I called the supervising rav of a product labeled pareve
that showed lactic acid on the ingredient list.)

But your larger point is absolutely correct, we need a hechsher, an
ingredient list doesn't determine anything, not least because the US legal
requirement is to list items amounting to 2% or more of the product, whereas
batel bashishim -- if even applicable -- would be less than that... so a
product could contain a non-kosher ingredient making up more than 1/60 of
the product but less than 1/50 (2%) and we would never know by looking at
the ingredient list. Besides that, supervision is also necessary to make
sure no insects are in the product.

"W. Baker" > wrote in message
...
> Ellen K. > wrote:
>
> : "W. Baker" > wrote in message
> : ...
> : > Storrmmee > wrote:
> : > : i know this sounds weird, but it is my impression that kosher does
> ntot
> : > : allow meat and dairy in the same meal/same time? if so does this
> : > include
> : > : all dairy or just milk? also can you use a substitute like parkey or
> : > : soy/rice cheese? i know this is off topic but i just read about soy
> : > cream
> : > : cheese substitute and that set me wondering, Lee
> : >
> : > All dairy is included in the injunction to not eat meat and milk in
> the
> : > same mal, etc. You can use supbstitutes like soy milk, etc as long as
> : > there is no lctose in it t all. that is , often why you have to use
> : > non-daiary products that carry a small label that tells you that it is
> : > approved by a kosher supervising agancy.
> : >
> : > There is a soy cream cheese substitute, brand name, Tofutti. They also
> : > make a sour cram subastitute. You can amake a substitue by adding
> bit of
> : > lemon juic eor vinegar to the soy milk to kind of curdle it. All
> kinds of
> : > tricks to try to broaden ones repetoire.
> : >
> : > Wendy
> : >
>
> : I think lactose per se is not the issue, if it is possible to create it
> : chemically without physical milk it wouldn't be dairy. The issue is
> : physical milk, i.e. milk that was produced by an animal.
>
> That is why those of us wh keep kosher need to have our hachsher on many
> priducts , because there well may be ingrredients with a long distnt dairy
> base that can be a problem, like much lactic acid. this is also why many
> with milk allergies look for products that have hechshers tht show either
> meat or neutral(parev) so they can have the assurance that there is no
> dairy based acids etc in the product.
>
> Wendy
>

And conversely, a product can contain lactic acid without containing any
dairy matter. (Lactic acid can apparently be created in the lab. I found
this out once when I called the supervising rav of a product labeled pareve
that showed lactic acid on the ingredient list.)

But your larger point is absolutely correct, we need a hechsher, an
ingredient list doesn't determine anything, not least because the US legal
requirement is to list items amounting to 2% or more of the product, whereas
batel bashishim -- if even applicable -- would be less than that... so a
product could contain a non-kosher ingredient making up more than 1/60 of
the product but less than 1/50 (2%) and we would never know by looking at
the ingredient list. Besides that, supervision is also necessary to make
sure no insects are in the product.

reading this leads me to beleive that if you are going to keep kosher,
scratch cooking is a must not an option, Lee
"Ellen K." > wrote in message
...
>
> "W. Baker" > wrote in message
> ...
>> Ellen K. > wrote:
>>
>> : "W. Baker" > wrote in message
>> : ...
>> : > Storrmmee > wrote:
>> : > : i know this sounds weird, but it is my impression that kosher does
>> ntot
>> : > : allow meat and dairy in the same meal/same time? if so does this
>> : > include
>> : > : all dairy or just milk? also can you use a substitute like parkey
>> or
>> : > : soy/rice cheese? i know this is off topic but i just read about
>> soy
>> : > cream
>> : > : cheese substitute and that set me wondering, Lee
>> : >
>> : > All dairy is included in the injunction to not eat meat and milk in
>> the
>> : > same mal, etc. You can use supbstitutes like soy milk, etc as long
>> as
>> : > there is no lctose in it t all. that is , often why you have to use
>> : > non-daiary products that carry a small label that tells you that it
>> is
>> : > approved by a kosher supervising agancy.
>> : >
>> : > There is a soy cream cheese substitute, brand name, Tofutti. They
>> also
>> : > make a sour cram subastitute. You can amake a substitue by adding
>> bit of
>> : > lemon juic eor vinegar to the soy milk to kind of curdle it. All
>> kinds of
>> : > tricks to try to broaden ones repetoire.
>> : >
>> : > Wendy
>> : >
>>
>> : I think lactose per se is not the issue, if it is possible to create it
>> : chemically without physical milk it wouldn't be dairy. The issue is
>> : physical milk, i.e. milk that was produced by an animal.
>>
>> That is why those of us wh keep kosher need to have our hachsher on many
>> priducts , because there well may be ingrredients with a long distnt
>> dairy
>> base that can be a problem, like much lactic acid. this is also why many
>> with milk allergies look for products that have hechshers tht show either
>> meat or neutral(parev) so they can have the assurance that there is no
>> dairy based acids etc in the product.
>>
>> Wendy
>>
>
> And conversely, a product can contain lactic acid without containing any
> dairy matter. (Lactic acid can apparently be created in the lab. I found
> this out once when I called the supervising rav of a product labeled
> pareve that showed lactic acid on the ingredient list.)
>
> But your larger point is absolutely correct, we need a hechsher, an
> ingredient list doesn't determine anything, not least because the US legal
> requirement is to list items amounting to 2% or more of the product,
> whereas batel bashishim -- if even applicable -- would be less than
> that... so a product could contain a non-kosher ingredient making up more
> than 1/60 of the product but less than 1/50 (2%) and we would never know
> by looking at the ingredient list. Besides that, supervision is also
> necessary to make sure no insects are in the product.