Last night, I had a big plate of Thai Hoi Tord (fried mussels with eggs and
stuff on a bed of Mung bean sprouts). As usual, Jun made me a bowl of
never-twice-the-same hot dipping sauce to go with it. 'Clean Plate Club' at
work!

Bad heartburn a couple of hours later. This morning she told me that
turmeric is good for settling the stomach. I just put 1/2 tsp in my cup of
Vodka and coffee. Acceptable flavor. Anyone have any experience with
turmeric? Thanks.

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"Nick Cramer" > wrote in message
...
> Last night, I had a big plate of Thai Hoi Tord (fried mussels with eggs
> and
> stuff on a bed of Mung bean sprouts). As usual, Jun made me a bowl of
> never-twice-the-same hot dipping sauce to go with it. 'Clean Plate Club'
> at
> work!
>
> Bad heartburn a couple of hours later. This morning she told me that
> turmeric is good for settling the stomach. I just put 1/2 tsp in my cup of
> Vodka and coffee. Acceptable flavor. Anyone have any experience with
> turmeric? Thanks.

I take it three times a day for psoriasis. It seems to help. I take it in
capsule form. I don't like the taste of it.

"Julie Bove" > wrote:
> "Nick Cramer" > wrote in message
[]
> > Bad heartburn a couple of hours later. This morning she told me that
> > turmeric is good for settling the stomach. I just put 1/2 tsp in my cup
> > of Vodka and coffee. Acceptable flavor. Anyone have any experience with
> > turmeric? Thanks.
>
> I take it three times a day for psoriasis. It seems to help. I take it
> in capsule form. I don't like the taste of it.

Even though finely powdered and well mixed, a lot settles to the bottom of
the cup. Going for my third cup and there's still some there!

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not with that but even though it sounds counter intuitive, when you first
get the heart burn if you can swallow one tlbs of vinager it will stop the
burn in about three minutes, Lee

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"Nick Cramer" > wrote in message
...
> Last night, I had a big plate of Thai Hoi Tord (fried mussels with eggs
> and
> stuff on a bed of Mung bean sprouts). As usual, Jun made me a bowl of
> never-twice-the-same hot dipping sauce to go with it. 'Clean Plate Club'
> at
> work!
>
> Bad heartburn a couple of hours later. This morning she told me that
> turmeric is good for settling the stomach. I just put 1/2 tsp in my cup of
> Vodka and coffee. Acceptable flavor. Anyone have any experience with
> turmeric? Thanks.
>
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On 11 Oct 2009 03:02:39 GMT, Nick Cramer >
wrote:

>Bad heartburn a couple of hours later. This morning she told me that
>turmeric is good for settling the stomach. I just put 1/2 tsp in my cup of
>Vodka and coffee. Acceptable flavor. Anyone have any experience with
>turmeric? Thanks.

LOL - not in vodka and coffee, my imagination can't get round that
one! But turmeric is a powerful antioxidant, especially when
accompanied by some ground black pepper. Maybe in a bloody Mary? I
guess it's perfectly possible that there's some chemical fraction that
dissolves in alcohol that those of us who simply cook with it are
missing out on...

Nicky.
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D&E, 150ug thyroxine
Last A1c 5.2% BMI 26

Alan S > wrote:
> On 11 Oct 2009 03:02:39 GMT, Nick Cramer >
> wrote:
>
> >Last night, I had a big plate of Thai Hoi Tord (fried mussels with eggs
> >and stuff on a bed of Mung bean sprouts). As usual, Jun made me a bowl
> >of never-twice-the-same hot dipping sauce to go with it. 'Clean Plate
> >Club' at work!
> >
> >Bad heartburn a couple of hours later. This morning she told me that
> >turmeric is good for settling the stomach. I just put 1/2 tsp in my cup
> >of Vodka and coffee. Acceptable flavor. Anyone have any experience with
> >turmeric? Thanks.
>
> Not for that purpose. I use it daily, together with black pepper as a
> general health spice.

How much? How do you take it? Thanks.

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"Stormmmee" > wrote:
> not with that but even though it sounds counter intuitive, when you first
> get the heart burn if you can swallow one Tbs of vinager it will stop
> the burn in about three minutes, Lee

Thanks, Lee. A friend of mine suggested that several years ago. I tried it.
It worked. Lemon juice would probably work, too. I'll pass! ;-)

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Nicky > wrote:
> Nick Cramer > wrote:
>
> >Bad heartburn a couple of hours later. This morning she told me that
> >turmeric is good for settling the stomach. I just put 1/2 tsp in my cup
> >of Vodka and coffee. Acceptable flavor. Anyone have any experience with
> >turmeric? Thanks.
>
> LOL - not in vodka and coffee, my imagination can't get round that
> one! But turmeric is a powerful antioxidant, especially when
> accompanied by some ground black pepper. Maybe in a bloody Mary? I
> guess it's perfectly possible that there's some chemical fraction that
> dissolves in alcohol that those of us who simply cook with it are
> missing out on...

Alan mentioned the ground black pepper, too. I'm wondering how much of
each. The problem with Bloody Marys is I have to refill them too fast! ;-)

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In article >,
Nick Cramer > wrote:

> Alan S > wrote:
> > On 11 Oct 2009 03:02:39 GMT, Nick Cramer >
> > wrote:
> >
> > >Last night, I had a big plate of Thai Hoi Tord (fried mussels with eggs
> > >and stuff on a bed of Mung bean sprouts). As usual, Jun made me a bowl
> > >of never-twice-the-same hot dipping sauce to go with it. 'Clean Plate
> > >Club' at work!
> > >
> > >Bad heartburn a couple of hours later. This morning she told me that
> > >turmeric is good for settling the stomach. I just put 1/2 tsp in my cup
> > >of Vodka and coffee. Acceptable flavor. Anyone have any experience with
> > >turmeric? Thanks.
> >
> > Not for that purpose. I use it daily, together with black pepper as a
> > general health spice.
>
> How much? How do you take it? Thanks.

Knowing Alan, it would be in a curry!

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Alice Faber > wrote:
> Nick Cramer > wrote:
> > Alan S > wrote:
> > > []
> > > Not for that purpose. I use it daily, together with black pepper as a
> > > general health spice.
> >
> > How much? How do you take it? Thanks.
>
> Knowing Alan, it would be in a curry!

I can handle that!

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On 11 Oct 2009 13:38:46 GMT, Nick Cramer >
wrote:

>Alan mentioned the ground black pepper, too. I'm wondering how much of
>each. The problem with Bloody Marys is I have to refill them too fast! ;-)

It's absolutely standard in an Indian curry - anything up to a Tbs of
turmeric, and maybe a tsp of FGBP, unless you're using the pepper for
heat rather than spice - in which case, to taste!

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i use it rather than a pill, and if you need to you can dilute it in warm
water, works just not as fast, Lee

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"Nick Cramer" > wrote in message
...
> "Stormmmee" > wrote:
>> not with that but even though it sounds counter intuitive, when you first
>> get the heart burn if you can swallow one Tbs of vinager it will stop
>> the burn in about three minutes, Lee
>
> Thanks, Lee. A friend of mine suggested that several years ago. I tried
> it.
> It worked. Lemon juice would probably work, too. I'll pass! ;-)
>
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Nicky > wrote:
> On 11 Oct 2009 13:38:46 GMT, Nick Cramer >
> wrote:
>
> >Alan mentioned the ground black pepper, too. I'm wondering how much of
> >each. The problem with Bloody Marys is I have to refill them too fast!
> >;-)
>
> It's absolutely standard in an Indian curry - anything up to a Tbs of
> turmeric, and maybe a tsp of FGBP, unless you're using the pepper for
> heat rather than spice - in which case, to taste!

Thanks, Nicky. It will be a Thai curry with coconut cream and Thai chiles.

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On 12 Oct 2009 03:19:21 GMT, Nick Cramer >
wrote:

>> It's absolutely standard in an Indian curry - anything up to a Tbs of
>> turmeric, and maybe a tsp of FGBP, unless you're using the pepper for
>> heat rather than spice - in which case, to taste!
>
>Thanks, Nicky. It will be a Thai curry with coconut cream and Thai chiles.

The colour will be a bit scary except in a yellow curry - but I often
add it when I make a Thai curry.

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Alan S wrote:
> Lunch today was my version of Amok prawns. Turmeric, pepper, chili and
> mint from the garden, ginger, garlic, cloves, garam masala, paprika
> etc . It varies a little depending on how I feel.
>
> Jun would probably shudder:-)

Your prawns ran amok?

Nicky > wrote:
> On 12 Oct 2009 03:19:21 GMT, Nick Cramer >
> wrote:
>
> >> It's absolutely standard in an Indian curry - anything up to a Tbs of
> >> turmeric, and maybe a tsp of FGBP, unless you're using the pepper for
> >> heat rather than spice - in which case, to taste!
> >
> >Thanks, Nicky. It will be a Thai curry with coconut cream and Thai
> >chiles.
>
> The colour will be a bit scary except in a yellow curry - but I often
> add it when I make a Thai curry.

LOL It sure gave my Vodka & coffee a strange color (and taste)! Thais also
call it Indian Saffron. Turns out Jun uses it in some dishes.

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Alan S > wrote:
> Nicky > wrote:
> Nick Cramer > wrote:
> >
> >>> It's absolutely standard in an Indian curry - anything up to a Tbs of
> >>> turmeric, and maybe a tsp of FGBP, unless you're using the pepper for
> >>> heat rather than spice - in which case, to taste!
> >>
> >>Thanks, Nicky. It will be a Thai curry with coconut cream and Thai
> >>chiles.
> >
> >The colour will be a bit scary except in a yellow curry - but I often
> >add it when I make a Thai curry.

> Lunch today was my version of Amok prawns. Turmeric, pepper, chili and
> mint from the garden, ginger, garlic, cloves, garam masala, paprika
> etc . It varies a little depending on how I feel.
>
> Jun would probably shudder:-)
[ . . . ]

Khmer-Indian-Aussie fusion food! Sounds good, Alan.

Jun cooks for me. If I can't make her shudder, nothing can!

Can you grow lemongrass. Buy some at the market, stick a few in some soil
in a pot, put it out in partial shade. Bring it indoors when it gets
frosty. If it never gets frosty, put it in the garden and let it fight the
horseradish for control! ;-D

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"Ozgirl" > wrote:
> Alan S wrote:
> > Lunch today was my version of Amok prawns. Turmeric, pepper, chili and
> > mint from the garden, ginger, garlic, cloves, garam masala, paprika
> > etc . It varies a little depending on how I feel.
> >
> > Jun would probably shudder:-)
>
> Your prawns ran amok?

He cut their heads off! Chickens do the same thing. ;-)

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Nick Cramer wrote:
> "Ozgirl" > wrote:
>> Alan S wrote:
>>> Lunch today was my version of Amok prawns. Turmeric, pepper, chili
>>> and mint from the garden, ginger, garlic, cloves, garam masala,
>>> paprika etc . It varies a little depending on how I feel.
>>>
>>> Jun would probably shudder:-)
>>
>> Your prawns ran amok?
>
> He cut their heads off! Chickens do the same thing. ;-)

Trying to imagine a a prawn running around flapping its scales... I used to
be the chicken killer at home when I was a kid.

"Ozgirl" > wrote:
> Nick Cramer wrote:
> > "Ozgirl" > wrote:
> >> Alan S wrote:
> >>> Lunch today was my version of Amok prawns. Turmeric, pepper, chili
> >>> and mint from the garden, ginger, garlic, cloves, garam masala,
> >>> paprika etc . It varies a little depending on how I feel.
> >>>
> >>> Jun would probably shudder:-)
> >>
> >> Your prawns ran amok?
> >
> > He cut their heads off! Chickens do the same thing. ;-)
>
> Trying to imagine a a prawn running around flapping its scales... I used
> to be the chicken killer at home when I was a kid.

Age 7 to 10, I was the egg collector. When a hen stopped laying, I brought
it up to the house and held the bleed-out bowl while Gramma slit the hen's
throat. All good pets and all delicious.

Gives you a much greater appreciation for what's on your plate, eh?

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you must respect the animal to gain the full benifit of eating it, Lee

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"Nick Cramer" > wrote in message
...
> "Ozgirl" > wrote:
>> Nick Cramer wrote:
>> > "Ozgirl" > wrote:
>> >> Alan S wrote:
>> >>> Lunch today was my version of Amok prawns. Turmeric, pepper, chili
>> >>> and mint from the garden, ginger, garlic, cloves, garam masala,
>> >>> paprika etc . It varies a little depending on how I feel.
>> >>>
>> >>> Jun would probably shudder:-)
>> >>
>> >> Your prawns ran amok?
>> >
>> > He cut their heads off! Chickens do the same thing. ;-)
>>
>> Trying to imagine a a prawn running around flapping its scales... I used
>> to be the chicken killer at home when I was a kid.
>
> Age 7 to 10, I was the egg collector. When a hen stopped laying, I brought
> it up to the house and held the bleed-out bowl while Gramma slit the hen's
> throat. All good pets and all delicious.
>
> Gives you a much greater appreciation for what's on your plate, eh?
>
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Stormmmee wrote:
> how do you think scallops would taste? Leee

I think any seafood would be ok, I personally am not a real fan of the
flavour of scallops. Mine would have a mix of prawns, calamari, oysters,
white fish, salmon.... maybe even some real crab.

i don't do shrimp as a rule so was thinking of substituting the scallops for
them, but just leaving out shrimp and scallops altogether with the other
things it sounds really good. Lee

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"Ozgirl" > wrote in message
...
> Stormmmee wrote:
>> how do you think scallops would taste? Leee
>
> I think any seafood would be ok, I personally am not a real fan of the
> flavour of scallops. Mine would have a mix of prawns, calamari, oysters,
> white fish, salmon.... maybe even some real crab.
>

Stormmmee wrote:
> i don't do shrimp as a rule so was thinking of substituting the
> scallops for them, but just leaving out shrimp and scallops
> altogether with the other things it sounds really good. Lee
>
>> Stormmmee wrote:
>>> how do you think scallops would taste? Leee
>>
>> I think any seafood would be ok, I personally am not a real fan of
>> the flavour of scallops. Mine would have a mix of prawns, calamari,
>> oysters, white fish, salmon.... maybe even some real crab.

Do you like baby octopus? I love it but only bbq'ed. I am not keen on the
slimy texture when cooked as part of a dish.

i don't think i've ever had it, sounds interesting though, Lee

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"Ozgirl" > wrote in message
...
> Stormmmee wrote:
>> i don't do shrimp as a rule so was thinking of substituting the
>> scallops for them, but just leaving out shrimp and scallops
>> altogether with the other things it sounds really good. Lee
>>
>>> Stormmmee wrote:
>>>> how do you think scallops would taste? Leee
>>>
>>> I think any seafood would be ok, I personally am not a real fan of
>>> the flavour of scallops. Mine would have a mix of prawns, calamari,
>>> oysters, white fish, salmon.... maybe even some real crab.
>
> Do you like baby octopus? I love it but only bbq'ed. I am not keen on the
> slimy texture when cooked as part of a dish.
>

"Stormmmee" > wrote:
> you must respect the animal to gain the full benefit of eating it, Lee

> "Nick Cramer" > wrote in message
> > "Ozgirl" > wrote:
> >> Nick Cramer wrote:
> >> > "Ozgirl" > wrote:
> >> >> [ . . . ]
> >> >> Your prawns ran amok?
> >> >
> >> > He cut their heads off! Chickens do the same thing. ;-)
> >>
> >> Trying to imagine a a prawn running around flapping its scales... I
> >> used to be the chicken killer at home when I was a kid.
> >
> > Age 7 to 10, I was the egg collector. When a hen stopped laying, I
> > brought it up to the house and held the bleed-out bowl while Gramma
> > slit the hen's throat. All good pets and all delicious.
> >
> > Gives you a much greater appreciation for what's on your plate, eh?

Those who only buy cryo-vac'd food wouldn't understand that. <sigh>

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"Stormmmee" > wrote:
> how do you think scallops would taste? Leee

> "Nick Cramer" > wrote in message
> [ . . . ]
> >> > Thai Haw Mok (Spicy steamed fish) Serves 6 to 8

They should work fine, although I don't recall us using them. Bay scallops
or cut the big ones into bite size chunks.

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"Ozgirl" > wrote:
> Stormmmee wrote:
> > how do you think scallops would taste? Leee
>
> I think any seafood would be ok, I personally am not a real fan of the
> flavour of scallops. Mine would have a mix of prawns, calamari, oysters,
> white fish, salmon.... maybe even some real crab.

I like oysters raw. We use mussels, instead. Frozen from NZ.

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my grandfather said to me that this would contribute to the downfall of
society, if you do not respect what sustains you you and the sustanance will
be lost to history, Lee

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"Nick Cramer" > wrote in message
...
> "Stormmmee" > wrote:
>> you must respect the animal to gain the full benefit of eating it, Lee
>
>> "Nick Cramer" > wrote in message
>> > "Ozgirl" > wrote:
>> >> Nick Cramer wrote:
>> >> > "Ozgirl" > wrote:
>> >> >> [ . . . ]
>> >> >> Your prawns ran amok?
>> >> >
>> >> > He cut their heads off! Chickens do the same thing. ;-)
>> >>
>> >> Trying to imagine a a prawn running around flapping its scales... I
>> >> used to be the chicken killer at home when I was a kid.
>> >
>> > Age 7 to 10, I was the egg collector. When a hen stopped laying, I
>> > brought it up to the house and held the bleed-out bowl while Gramma
>> > slit the hen's throat. All good pets and all delicious.
>> >
>> > Gives you a much greater appreciation for what's on your plate, eh?
>
> Those who only buy cryo-vac'd food wouldn't understand that. <sigh>
>
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have recently been eating the bay scallops in my mongolian grill resturant,
am growing fonder of them every time. Lee

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"Nick Cramer" > wrote in message
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> "Stormmmee" > wrote:
>> how do you think scallops would taste? Leee
>
>> "Nick Cramer" > wrote in message
>> [ . . . ]
>> >> > Thai Haw Mok (Spicy steamed fish) Serves 6 to 8
>
> They should work fine, although I don't recall us using them. Bay scallops
> or cut the big ones into bite size chunks.
>
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"Stormmmee" > wrote:
> my grandfather said to me that this would contribute to the downfall of
> society, if you do not respect what sustains you you and the sustanance
> will be lost to history, Lee

> "Nick Cramer" > wrote in message
> > "Stormmmee" > wrote:
> >> you must respect the animal to gain the full benefit of eating it, Lee
> >
> >> "Nick Cramer" > wrote in message
> >> > "Ozgirl" > wrote:
> >> >> [ . . . ]
> >> >> Trying to imagine a a prawn running around flapping its scales... I
> >> >> used to be the chicken killer at home when I was a kid.
> >> >
> >> > Age 7 to 10, I was the egg collector. When a hen stopped laying, I
> >> > brought it up to the house and held the bleed-out bowl while Gramma
> >> > slit the hen's throat. All good pets and all delicious.
> >> >
> >> > Gives you a much greater appreciation for what's on your plate, eh?
> >
> > Those who only buy cryo-vac'd food wouldn't understand that. <sigh>

Your Grandfather had that part right, but consider this:

Our Founding Fathers were collectively the brightest, wealthiest, and most
powerful men of their era. They risked everything they had by declaring
their independence from what was, at that time, the greatest military and
economic power in the world.

Quite frankly, we have not had such intellect, innovation, and "testicular
fortitude" at the helm of our country since then, and I believe will never
see men of such strong backbone in our government again.

Just over 200 years later, England is a shadow of its past world dominance
and the United States has fallen so far away from the country our
forefathers created for us that they would shed tears of dismay if they
could walk among us today.

History provides a road map of where the US is heading...
Is our demise inevitable?

No, but ONLY if we study the past and make the difficult, yet proper,
decisions to prevent history from repeating itself in our country as it has
done with every group of people before us, from every culture imaginable.

Consider this:

About the time our original thirteen states adopted their new constitution
in 1787, Alexander Tyler, a Scottish history professor at the University of
Edinburgh, had this to say about the fall of the Athenian Republic some 2,
000 years earlier:

'A democracy is always temporary in nature; it simply cannot exist as a
permanent form of government.'

'A democracy will continue to exist up until the time that voters discover
they can vote themselves generous gifts from the public treasury.'

'From that moment on, the majority always vote for the candidates who
promise the most benefits from the public treasury, with the result that
every democracy will finally collapse due to loose fiscal policy, which is
always followed by a dictatorship.'

'The average age of the world's greatest civilizations from the beginning
of history, has been about 200 years.'

'During those 200 years, those nations always progressed through the
following sequence:

1. from bondage to spiritual faith;
2. from spiritual faith to great courage;
3. from courage to liberty;
4. from liberty to abundance;
5. from abundance to complacency;
6. from complacency to apathy;
7. from apathy to dependence;
8. from dependence back into bondage.

So WHERE are we, citizens of the United States in the historically proven
Life Cycle of Nations?

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minding what history has to teach us is i think different than being lost to
history, and might have been a family translation. his thoughts were very
earth friendly, to the point that if he cut a tree to log it for the lumber
and inadverdintaly got one with a nest of babies of some sort he brought
them home to raise... lost in this case is forgotten onn purpose because of
disgrasfulness i think, disrespecting your food source, or in the case of
the founding fathers, disrespecting all they risked to give us freedom is
disgraceful and will cause our downfall, he was a wonderfully wise man i
miss every day, Lee

--
Have a great day
"Nick Cramer" > wrote in message
...
> "Stormmmee" > wrote:
>> my grandfather said to me that this would contribute to the downfall of
>> society, if you do not respect what sustains you you and the sustanance
>> will be lost to history, Lee
>
>> "Nick Cramer" > wrote in message
>> > "Stormmmee" > wrote:
>> >> you must respect the animal to gain the full benefit of eating it, Lee
>> >
>> >> "Nick Cramer" > wrote in message
>> >> > "Ozgirl" > wrote:
>> >> >> [ . . . ]
>> >> >> Trying to imagine a a prawn running around flapping its scales... I
>> >> >> used to be the chicken killer at home when I was a kid.
>> >> >
>> >> > Age 7 to 10, I was the egg collector. When a hen stopped laying, I
>> >> > brought it up to the house and held the bleed-out bowl while Gramma
>> >> > slit the hen's throat. All good pets and all delicious.
>> >> >
>> >> > Gives you a much greater appreciation for what's on your plate, eh?
>> >
>> > Those who only buy cryo-vac'd food wouldn't understand that. <sigh>
>
> Your Grandfather had that part right, but consider this:
>
> Our Founding Fathers were collectively the brightest, wealthiest, and most
> powerful men of their era. They risked everything they had by declaring
> their independence from what was, at that time, the greatest military and
> economic power in the world.
>
> Quite frankly, we have not had such intellect, innovation, and "testicular
> fortitude" at the helm of our country since then, and I believe will never
> see men of such strong backbone in our government again.
>
> Just over 200 years later, England is a shadow of its past world dominance
> and the United States has fallen so far away from the country our
> forefathers created for us that they would shed tears of dismay if they
> could walk among us today.
>
> History provides a road map of where the US is heading...
> Is our demise inevitable?
>
> No, but ONLY if we study the past and make the difficult, yet proper,
> decisions to prevent history from repeating itself in our country as it
> has
> done with every group of people before us, from every culture imaginable.
>
> Consider this:
>
> About the time our original thirteen states adopted their new constitution
> in 1787, Alexander Tyler, a Scottish history professor at the University
> of
> Edinburgh, had this to say about the fall of the Athenian Republic some
> 2,
> 000 years earlier:
>
> 'A democracy is always temporary in nature; it simply cannot exist as a
> permanent form of government.'
>
> 'A democracy will continue to exist up until the time that voters discover
> they can vote themselves generous gifts from the public treasury.'
>
> 'From that moment on, the majority always vote for the candidates who
> promise the most benefits from the public treasury, with the result that
> every democracy will finally collapse due to loose fiscal policy, which is
> always followed by a dictatorship.'
>
> 'The average age of the world's greatest civilizations from the beginning
> of history, has been about 200 years.'
>
> 'During those 200 years, those nations always progressed through the
> following sequence:
>
> 1. from bondage to spiritual faith;
> 2. from spiritual faith to great courage;
> 3. from courage to liberty;
> 4. from liberty to abundance;
> 5. from abundance to complacency;
> 6. from complacency to apathy;
> 7. from apathy to dependence;
> 8. from dependence back into bondage.
>
> So WHERE are we, citizens of the United States in the historically proven
> Life Cycle of Nations?
>
> --
> Nick, KI6VAV. Support severely wounded and disabled Veterans and their
> families: https://www.woundedwarriorproject.org/ Thank a Veteran!
> Support Our Troops: http://anymarine.com/ You are not forgotten.
> Thanks ! ! ~Semper Fi~ USMC 1365061

"Stormmmee" > wrote:
> minding what history has to teach us is i think different than being lost
> to history, and might have been a family translation. his thoughts were
> very earth friendly, to the point that if he cut a tree to log it for the
> lumber and inadverdintaly got one with a nest of babies of some sort he
> brought them home to raise... lost in this case is forgotten onn purpose
> because of disgrasfulness i think, disrespecting your food source, or in
> the case of the founding fathers, disrespecting all they risked to give
> us freedom is disgraceful and will cause our downfall, he was a
> wonderfully wise man i miss every day, Lee

How wonderful to have such great memories of a wise Grandfather. I'm happy
for you.

Coincidentally, Glenn Beck discussed Alexander Tyler's observation on the
progression of civilizations, on his program on Fox News, today (well, I
guess that's yesterday).

> > So WHERE are we, citizens of the United States in the historically
> > proven Life Cycle of Nations? There is still time . . . but not much.

--
Nick, KI6VAV. Support severely wounded and disabled Veterans and their
families: https://www.woundedwarriorproject.org/ Thank a Veteran!
Support Our Troops: http://anymarine.com/ You are not forgotten.
Thanks ! ! ~Semper Fi~ USMC 1365061

i am not a big fan of his because he gets a bit too excited for me but i do
think he has interesting discussions on the radio. we don't have cable, we
aren't home enough to justify the expense of having it, Lee

--
Have a great day
"Nick Cramer" > wrote in message
...
> "Stormmmee" > wrote:
>> minding what history has to teach us is i think different than being lost
>> to history, and might have been a family translation. his thoughts were
>> very earth friendly, to the point that if he cut a tree to log it for the
>> lumber and inadverdintaly got one with a nest of babies of some sort he
>> brought them home to raise... lost in this case is forgotten onn purpose
>> because of disgrasfulness i think, disrespecting your food source, or in
>> the case of the founding fathers, disrespecting all they risked to give
>> us freedom is disgraceful and will cause our downfall, he was a
>> wonderfully wise man i miss every day, Lee
>
> How wonderful to have such great memories of a wise Grandfather. I'm happy
> for you.
>
> Coincidentally, Glenn Beck discussed Alexander Tyler's observation on the
> progression of civilizations, on his program on Fox News, today (well, I
> guess that's yesterday).
>
>> > So WHERE are we, citizens of the United States in the historically
>> > proven Life Cycle of Nations? There is still time . . . but not much.
>
> --
> Nick, KI6VAV. Support severely wounded and disabled Veterans and their
> families: https://www.woundedwarriorproject.org/ Thank a Veteran!
> Support Our Troops: http://anymarine.com/ You are not forgotten.
> Thanks ! ! ~Semper Fi~ USMC 1365061

"Alan S" > wrote in message
...
> On Mon, 12 Oct 2009 08:04:11 +1100, Alan S
> > wrote:
>
>>I'll try to hunt out some references.
>
> For some reason I find Google Groups search no longer works for me. I
> found some of that discussion he
> http://newsgroups.derkeiler.com/Arch.../msg05427.html
> and he
> http://www.medkb.com/Uwe/Forum.aspx/...n-fighting-fat
> You'll be surprised where old conversations in asd turn up.
>
> Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia.
> --
I've seen something saying that you now need to put the keyword
newsgroup before whatever what you want to search for in
order to make that search for newsgroups instead of something
else.

Robert Miles