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We have been looking to buy a new outdoor grill. We have looked at
Sears, Lowes and Walmart. Our budget is $200 and there are a number of options. I just wondered what is the best in that price range. |
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> We have been looking to buy a new outdoor grill. We have looked at > Sears, Lowes and Walmart. Our budget is $200 and there are a number > of options. I just wondered what is the best in that price range. What kind of grill? Charcoal or gas? Brian -- If televison's a babysitter, the Internet is a drunk librarian who won't shut up. -- Dorothy Gambrell (http://catandgirl.com) |
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"Default User" > wrote in news:48j4ufFk8htcU1
@individual.net: > wrote: > >> We have been looking to buy a new outdoor grill. We have looked at >> Sears, Lowes and Walmart. Our budget is $200 and there are a number >> of options. I just wondered what is the best in that price range. > > What kind of grill? Charcoal or gas? He said barbecue - obviously he means charcoal. |
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![]() > wrote in message ... > We have been looking to buy a new outdoor grill. We have looked at > Sears, Lowes and Walmart. Our budget is $200 and there are a number > of options. I just wondered what is the best in that price range. In that price range, they are all pretty much the same so buy what is on sale. Great for hot dogs, not so great for any serious cooking. Chicken will flare up and burn, burgers will flare up from the dripping fat. If you can go $500 then you get into the smaller Weber sizes and much better quality. If you can go $750 and up, we can get serous about outdoor cooking. |
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Barry Bean wrote:
> "Default User" > wrote in news:48j4ufFk8htcU1 > @individual.net: > > > wrote: > > > >> We have been looking to buy a new outdoor grill. We have looked at > >> Sears, Lowes and Walmart. Our budget is $200 and there are a > number >> of options. I just wondered what is the best in that price > range. > > > > What kind of grill? Charcoal or gas? > > He said barbecue - obviously he means charcoal. You'd think that, wouldn't you? Best to check though. Brian -- If televison's a babysitter, the Internet is a drunk librarian who won't shut up. -- Dorothy Gambrell (http://catandgirl.com) |
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Edwin Pawlowski wrote:
> > wrote in message > ... > >>We have been looking to buy a new outdoor grill. We have looked at >>Sears, Lowes and Walmart. Our budget is $200 and there are a number >>of options. I just wondered what is the best in that price range. > > > In that price range, they are all pretty much the same so buy what is on > sale. Great for hot dogs, not so great for any serious cooking. Chicken > will flare up and burn, burgers will flare up from the dripping fat. > > If you can go $500 then you get into the smaller Weber sizes and much better > quality. If you can go $750 and up, we can get serous about outdoor > cooking. > > $400 or so will get you a Weber. You can get a cheaper grill but I can tell you from experience that you really do get what you pay for. Years ago, I went through my share of Sunbeams, etc. at the rate of about one per year with frequent, year round, use in the northern climate - snow included. They took three hours to assemble but that might have changed by now. When I bought my first Weber gas grill I was hesitant to drop that kind of money on something that used to cost me $100. The Weber took 15 minutes to assemble and lasted about six years. I bought another that I still have today. While my usage has shifted more to the WSM charcoal smoker/grill, it doesn't change the fact that the Weber gas grill is still alive and kicking and ready for quick burgers. It's simple economics - pay now or pay more later. Dan |
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![]() "Dan Krueger" > wrote in message > > It's simple economics - pay now or pay more later. More than that. Pay a little more now and have a tool that is much easier to use and improves the quality of the finished product. |
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Kent wrote:
> I haven't tried "smoking with gas" with the B leaving one burner on and > using either a smoking box or foil. I would like to hear from anyone who has > done this successfully. > More Good Luck, > Kent > > I started doing ribs in the Silver B like you indicate. One burner on and temp around 250-275dF It works ok. Problem is that after a while you'll get a grease build up in the bottom of the unit that'll have to be cleaned out. RPITA I got the WSM that now sits beside my Gen. B and my only complaint about it is that I didn't get it sooner. Both are used year round here in upstate NY. -- Steve Dumb sign # 27: On a restroom dryer at O'Hare Field in Chicago: Do not activate with wet hands. |
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Steve Calvin wrote:
> Kent wrote: > >> I haven't tried "smoking with gas" with the B leaving one burner on >> and using either a smoking box or foil. I would like to hear from >> anyone who has done this successfully. >> More Good Luck, >> Kent >> >> > I started doing ribs in the Silver B like you indicate. One burner on > and temp around 250-275dF It works ok. Problem is that after a while > you'll get a grease build up in the bottom of the unit that'll have to > be cleaned out. RPITA > I clean mine about twice a year and it takes all of 10 minutes. Remove the grates, scrape the crap into the pan with a putty knife, and replace the pan and grates. It doesn't have to been perfectly clean. Dan |
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Dan Krueger wrote:
>> I started doing ribs in the Silver B like you indicate. One burner on >> and temp around 250-275dF It works ok. Problem is that after a while >> you'll get a grease build up in the bottom of the unit that'll have to >> be cleaned out. RPITA >> > > I clean mine about twice a year and it takes all of 10 minutes. Remove > the grates, scrape the crap into the pan with a putty knife, and replace > the pan and grates. It doesn't have to been perfectly clean. > > Dan I agree, it's not difficult. Just a pita that I didn't want to continue. The WSM works worlds better anyhow. *No* comparison in the results from the methods. -- Steve Dumb sign # 27: On a restroom dryer at O'Hare Field in Chicago: Do not activate with wet hands. |
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Steve Calvin wrote:
> Dan Krueger wrote: > >>> I started doing ribs in the Silver B like you indicate. One burner on >>> and temp around 250-275dF It works ok. Problem is that after a while >>> you'll get a grease build up in the bottom of the unit that'll have >>> to be cleaned out. RPITA >>> >> >> I clean mine about twice a year and it takes all of 10 minutes. >> Remove the grates, scrape the crap into the pan with a putty knife, >> and replace the pan and grates. It doesn't have to been perfectly clean. >> >> Dan > > > I agree, it's not difficult. Just a pita that I didn't want to continue. > The WSM works worlds better anyhow. *No* comparison in the results from > the methods. > > I also have both. The gas grill is great for some things... Dan |
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> I agree wholeheartedly with Eric. The Silver Genesis B is not hot enough to
> grill a steak "char-rare" as I like it, but it is good at everything else. > It is especially good for grilling fish. Grilling fish with the charcoal > Weber is difficult; it flakes and falls apart into the coals. The charcoal > kettle works OK with halibut or seabas. As with Eric, I have found their > customer service excellent from the phone to the front door with the > replacement part. > I haven't tried "smoking with gas" with the B leaving one burner on and > using either a smoking box or foil. I would like to hear from anyone who has > done this successfully. > More Good Luck, > Kent > Kent, I use a foil packet of wood chips (mostly hickory) almost every time I grill something that takes longer than about 10 min to cook. It works nicely I think. I used to live in Austin and I have had my share of TX brisket and smoked sausage, chicken and turkey. So I would be lying if I said using some wood chips gives you the full-on smoked flavor, but I do think it adds quite a lot to just plain grilled foods. In fact just last weekend I brined and then cooked a whole bone-in turkey breast on the Weber Silver B and it was fantastic. I use a large foil packet of soaked hickory chips while I did it. I just brined the turkey breast about 12-14 hours. I heated the grill as high as it could with the chips on there until they started smoking (took about 20 min to start smoking, and just so you know they do not smoke that much but only a little is all you need). Then I turned down the heat rubbed the turkey with oil and some dry rub and cooked indirect for about 2 or 3 hours at about 350. It came out great and had a mild but nice smoke flavor to it. I also have done ribs, pork loin and some other stuff using wood chips and we have enjoyed them all. Of course it is not like smoking a brisket for 9 hours but it does add some depth to things done on the grill. Try it and you'll like it I am sure. BTW as far as I can tell some foil with a few small holes poked in it is all you need to add smoke flavor, the smoking boxes just cost money and don't add too much, seems to me. Thanks all, Eric |
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![]() "Eric" > wrote in message m... >> I agree wholeheartedly with Eric. The Silver Genesis B is not hot enough >> to grill a steak "char-rare" as I like it, but it is good at everything >> else. It is especially good for grilling fish. Grilling fish with the >> charcoal Weber is difficult; it flakes and falls apart into the coals. >> The charcoal kettle works OK with halibut or seabas. As with Eric, I >> have found their customer service excellent from the phone to the front >> door with the replacement part. >> I haven't tried "smoking with gas" with the B leaving one burner on and >> using either a smoking box or foil. I would like to hear from anyone who >> has done this successfully. >> More Good Luck, >> Kent >> > > > Kent, > > I use a foil packet of wood chips (mostly hickory) almost every time I > grill something that takes longer than about 10 min to cook. It works > nicely I think. I used to live in Austin and I have had my share of TX > brisket and smoked sausage, chicken and turkey. So I would be lying if I > said using some wood chips gives you the full-on smoked flavor, but I do > think it adds quite a lot to just plain grilled foods. > > In fact just last weekend I brined and then cooked a whole bone-in turkey > breast on the Weber Silver B and it was fantastic. I use a large foil > packet of soaked hickory chips while I did it. I just brined the turkey > breast about 12-14 hours. I heated the grill as high as it could with the > chips on there until they started smoking (took about 20 min to start > smoking, and just so you know they do not smoke that much but only a > little is all you need). Then I turned down the heat rubbed the turkey > with oil and some dry rub and cooked indirect for about 2 or 3 hours at > about 350. It came out great and had a mild but nice smoke flavor to it. > > I also have done ribs, pork loin and some other stuff using wood chips and > we have enjoyed them all. Of course it is not like smoking a brisket for > 9 hours but it does add some depth to things done on the grill. > > Try it and you'll like it I am sure. BTW as far as I can tell some foil > with a few small holes poked in it is all you need to add smoke flavor, > the smoking boxes just cost money and don't add too much, seems to me. > > Thanks all, > Eric Eric, thanks for your reply, Do you place the foil wrapped wood on the directly heated grate, or underneath, as some do? Have you ever tried to "smoke-cook" for a long time at a very low temp., in the 225-250 range, on the B? There was a post here some time ago where the "chef"* put the wrapped wood on the direct heating element, and smoked a long time, 10+/- hours at a very low temp. He even was able to leave some propane in the tank at the end! Also, did you cook your turkey breast using the direct burner in back, in front, or both, leaving the unused middle area for indirect cooking? Thanks again for your posts, Kent *That's who we really think we are. The little woman at the back door is smiling furtively. |
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:: We have been looking to buy a new outdoor grill. We have looked at :: Sears, Lowes and Walmart. Our budget is $200 and there are a number :: of options. I just wondered what is the best in that price range. Not much in your price range. Add a little and buy a Weber Smokey Mountain. It will last almost forever and is a great smoker as well as a pretty good grill. Or, you could buy an ECB (Brinkman bullet type smoker) and make the modifications suggested in the BBQ FAQ and have a pretty good smoker for about $100. http://www.eaglequest.com/~bbq/faq2/7.html#7.2.1 While you're there, check through the entire BBQ FAQ http://www.eaglequest.com/~bbq/faq2/toc.html Good luck, and good smoking. BOB -- Raw Meat Should NOT Have An Ingredients List |
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I am sorry that I didn't clarify my request. I am looking for a
gas(propane) grill. I appreciate all the suggestions and will welcome any additional comments after my clarification. Thanks On Fri, 24 Mar 2006 18:37:55 GMT, wrote: >We have been looking to buy a new outdoor grill. We have looked at >Sears, Lowes and Walmart. Our budget is $200 and there are a number >of options. I just wondered what is the best in that price range. |
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says... > I am sorry that I didn't clarify my request. I am looking for a > gas(propane) grill. I appreciate all the suggestions and will welcome > any additional comments after my clarification. Thanks > > > On Fri, 24 Mar 2006 18:37:55 GMT, wrote: > > >We have been looking to buy a new outdoor grill. We have looked at > >Sears, Lowes and Walmart. Our budget is $200 and there are a number > >of options. I just wondered what is the best in that price range. > > Weel, you might look at http://www.weber.com/q/default.aspx . They start at $199USD from Walmart. I've got a Weber Genisis Gold C that does my grilling and a Weber Smoky Mountain for barbecue. Plus 10yr old Weber kettle when I need more grilling room. I like the Webers I've bought. Well made, good after sale service. I've never used the one above but it should be good for hot dogs and hamburgers, maybe more. Bill -- Gmail and Google Groups. This century's answer to AOL and WebTV. |
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Thanks for all the advice. I will look at the Webers and consider
spending more. First I would like to ask some questions and I will appreciate your replys: 1. What is the best Grill surface? There appear to be several types of grills. There is the grill that has the iron kettle surface. There is a grill that has porcelain. That has some appeal but these grills tend to be flat surfaces rather than the bar type. Also, they say that you can't use metal brushes or spatulas with them or you will scratch the surface. Of course there are stainless grills. 2. How many Burners? I have been looking at the 2 & 3 burner models. Some of the burners run lengthwise and some run from front to back. 3. Do you need Brickettes? None of the grills I looked at had brickettes. Is that something you don't need? The last grill I had had the burners under a rack that held brickettes. On Fri, 24 Mar 2006 18:37:55 GMT, wrote: >We have been looking to buy a new outdoor grill. We have looked at >Sears, Lowes and Walmart. Our budget is $200 and there are a number >of options. I just wondered what is the best in that price range. |
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If you can spend around $350-450, you can't go wrong with one of the Weber
propane grills, either the smaller A model or the Silver B. They cook well, last a lifetime, and you can get support and parts when you need it. I have been really happy with the 3-burner Weber with the porcelain cast-iron grates from Home Depot, which I have had now for about eight years. If you want to sear a steak,this is the way to go. Avoid uncoated cast iron, unless you're willing to do the maintenance. Brickettes have pretty much been replaced by bars and other methods. You'll sometimes find the Webers on sale/clearance towards the end of the summer season. > wrote in message ... > Thanks for all the advice. I will look at the Webers and consider > spending more. First I would like to ask some questions and I will > appreciate your replys: > 1. What is the best Grill surface? There appear to be several > types of grills. There is the grill that has the iron kettle surface. > There is a grill that has porcelain. That has some appeal but these > grills tend to be flat surfaces rather than the bar type. Also, they > say that you can't use metal brushes or spatulas with them or you will > scratch the surface. Of course there are stainless grills. > 2. How many Burners? I have been looking at the 2 & 3 burner > models. Some of the burners run lengthwise and some run from front to > back. > 3. Do you need Brickettes? None of the grills I looked at had > brickettes. Is that something you don't need? The last grill I had > had the burners under a rack that held brickettes. > > > > > > On Fri, 24 Mar 2006 18:37:55 GMT, wrote: > >>We have been looking to buy a new outdoor grill. We have looked at >>Sears, Lowes and Walmart. Our budget is $200 and there are a number >>of options. I just wondered what is the best in that price range. > |
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"Edwin Pawlowski" > wrote in news:q60Vf.337$mu2.284
@newssvr24.news.prodigy.net: > > wrote in message > ... >> We have been looking to buy a new outdoor grill. We have looked at >> Sears, Lowes and Walmart. Our budget is $200 and there are a number >> of options. I just wondered what is the best in that price range. > > In that price range, they are all pretty much the same so buy what is on > sale. Great for hot dogs, not so great for any serious cooking. Chicken > will flare up and burn, burgers will flare up from the dripping fat. For $150-200 you can pick up all sorts of great grills that can handle a shoulder or two. Froogle "BBQ grill offset" for an idea of what's available. |
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Kent,
I just made a roll of foil with the chips in it and placed it along the back of the grill on top of the grates. When I lighted the grill I ran it as hot as possible for about 25-30 min. This heated the chips up enough to get them smoking. Then I turned off the other two burners and let the grill heat drop some (about 10 min), then I put the turkey breast-side down over the front burners with only the back one on high. I think only one burner is normally enough but it was a windy day so eventually I needed to turn the front burner back on low to medium to keep the grill temp up at 350. I had the turkey breast over the middle unlit burner anyway. After about 1 hour I flipped the turkey breast over and put a remote roasting thermometer in the the breast. I took it off at 170 degrees and let it rest about 20 min. Don't forget to brine! Yum. I have not tried really low temperatures on the grill with anything..... yet! But I wonder how low the temps can get. Good luck if you have any questions let me know! Eric |
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I have a Weber genesis Gold, it does a nice job. It will sear a steak
at about 650 degrees, but sometimes could do better in that area. I know you don't get the flavor with gas, but it is nice to be able to throw some steak, or chicken breat on at 6pm after work when everybody is hungry, I keep a couple of homemade foil smokers in it with mesquite chips to impart a smoky flavor on foods, I consider this a 90% solution. I tried the smoking with one burner, it was a disaster, the genesis is very hard to control at low temps, I was trying to hold 225 for baby back ribs, but was constantly fluxuating between 150 and 300. It performs much better with all three knobs on high, sometimes I leave the front burner off and only fire the back two, so I can put burgers on the back, and hotdogs on the front. |
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You really need two burners for indirect grilling, giving you heat in the
front and back. You have much better control over temp, and you don't have to flip the meat back and forth as much. Kent > wrote in message ... > Thanks for all the advice. I will look at the Webers and consider > spending more. First I would like to ask some questions and I will > appreciate your replys: > 1. What is the best Grill surface? There appear to be several > types of grills. There is the grill that has the iron kettle surface. > There is a grill that has porcelain. That has some appeal but these > grills tend to be flat surfaces rather than the bar type. Also, they > say that you can't use metal brushes or spatulas with them or you will > scratch the surface. Of course there are stainless grills. > 2. How many Burners? I have been looking at the 2 & 3 burner > models. Some of the burners run lengthwise and some run from front to > back. > 3. Do you need Brickettes? None of the grills I looked at had > brickettes. Is that something you don't need? The last grill I had > had the burners under a rack that held brickettes. > > > > > > On Fri, 24 Mar 2006 18:37:55 GMT, wrote: > >>We have been looking to buy a new outdoor grill. We have looked at >>Sears, Lowes and Walmart. Our budget is $200 and there are a number >>of options. I just wondered what is the best in that price range. > |
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I meant THREE burners. Sorry about that. Just a bit of the "senescent
synapseal dysfunction syndrome" coming forth. You need be able to have heat on both sides and nothing in the middle. Kent "Kent" > wrote in message ... > You really need two burners for indirect grilling, giving you heat in the > front and back. You have much better control over temp, and you don't have > to flip the meat back and forth as much. > Kent > > > wrote in message > ... >> Thanks for all the advice. I will look at the Webers and consider >> spending more. First I would like to ask some questions and I will >> appreciate your replys: >> 1. What is the best Grill surface? There appear to be several >> types of grills. There is the grill that has the iron kettle surface. >> There is a grill that has porcelain. That has some appeal but these >> grills tend to be flat surfaces rather than the bar type. Also, they >> say that you can't use metal brushes or spatulas with them or you will >> scratch the surface. Of course there are stainless grills. >> 2. How many Burners? I have been looking at the 2 & 3 burner >> models. Some of the burners run lengthwise and some run from front to >> back. >> 3. Do you need Brickettes? None of the grills I looked at had >> brickettes. Is that something you don't need? The last grill I had >> had the burners under a rack that held brickettes. >> >> >> >> >> >> On Fri, 24 Mar 2006 18:37:55 GMT, wrote: >> >>>We have been looking to buy a new outdoor grill. We have looked at >>>Sears, Lowes and Walmart. Our budget is $200 and there are a number >>>of options. I just wondered what is the best in that price range. >> > > |
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