I'm looking to replace my old weber kettle grill.

I want more grilling area and more control over low and slow cooking.

I saw the barb-b-chef offset smoker at bbq galore. Any opinions on
this grill? I like the amount of cooking area but it looks like it
will be a pain to clear out the coals. Is the firebox sufficient for
bbq?

I'm open to other options. Ideally, I would like a piece of equipment
where I can both grill and bbq.

matt

matt tsang wrote:
> I'm looking to replace my old weber kettle grill.
>
> I want more grilling area and more control over low and slow cooking.
>
> I saw the barb-b-chef offset smoker at bbq galore. Any opinions on
> this grill? I like the amount of cooking area but it looks like it
> will be a pain to clear out the coals. Is the firebox sufficient for
> bbq?
>
> I'm open to other options. Ideally, I would like a piece of equipment
> where I can both grill and bbq.
>
> matt

www.kamado.com

the number 9 *can* be set up with (I think) 6 different cooking levels, giving
you more room than you'd need for the average party or small army.

You can grill, bbq, bake, broil, sear, anything you can do in an oven, and more.

BOB

He's looking for an offset. If someone was looking for a flowerpot should a
person link to Tejas?
Damn, it's like a cult, I swear! <BG>

What's your budget Matt? Offsets go up to $1,300 or as low as $200 with a
large gap in quality between them. Do you have a link to the unit you're
looking at? Sorry, most of us dont have all the available units memorized.


--

On 22-Jun-2004, "Duwop" > wrote:

> He's looking for an offset. If someone was looking for a flowerpot should
> a
> person link to Tejas?
> Damn, it's like a cult, I swear! <BG>
>
> What's your budget Matt? Offsets go up to $1,300 or as low as $200 with a
> large gap in quality between them. Do you have a link to the unit you're
> looking at? Sorry, most of us dont have all the available units memorized.
>
>
> --
>

There's a few of us here that use New Braunfels (Now Char-broil) offsets. I
find it easy to grill, roast or slow cook on mine. To slow cook, I use the
offset firebox. To grill, I cook direct in the main chamber. There's nearly
500 Sq In of cooking area in mine. The NBBD has nearly twice that much.
I can cook two butts and two full racks of spares without extra racks or
coilling the ribs up and have space to spare. Offsets of any brand are fuel
hungry and need a lot of tending. Once per hour for mine. I use ~6 gals. of
lump for a seven hour cook. (10 to 12 lbs) I like it anyway.

--
M&M ("When You're Over The Hill You Pick Up Speed")

On 22-Jun-2004, "Duwop" > wrote:
<snip>

> What's your budget Matt? Offsets go up to $1,300 or as low as $200 with a
> large gap in quality between them. Do you have a link to the unit you're
> looking at? Sorry, most of us dont have all the available units memorized.

I forgot to mention, I paid about $145 at HD for mine in May of 2003.
--
M&M ("When You're Over The Hill You Pick Up Speed")

"matt tsang" > wrote in message
om...
> I'm looking to replace my old weber kettle grill.
>
> I want more grilling area and more control over low and slow cooking.
>
> I saw the barb-b-chef offset smoker at bbq galore. Any opinions on
> this grill? I like the amount of cooking area but it looks like it
> will be a pain to clear out the coals. Is the firebox sufficient for
> bbq?
>
> I'm open to other options. Ideally, I would like a piece of equipment
> where I can both grill and bbq.

Just go with the WSM and forgettaboutit.

Just use the top grate on the lower level for grilling.

Can cook 8 Racks of St. Louis's and two 4 pound butts at the same time
which offers more than enough cooking area for most residential
parties.

moncho

(matt tsang) wrote in message . com>...
> I'm looking to replace my old weber kettle grill.
>
> I want more grilling area and more control over low and slow cooking.
>
> I saw the barb-b-chef offset smoker at bbq galore. Any opinions on
> this grill? I like the amount of cooking area but it looks like it
> will be a pain to clear out the coals. Is the firebox sufficient for
> bbq?
>
> I'm open to other options. Ideally, I would like a piece of equipment
> where I can both grill and bbq.
>
> matt

Matt-

It's essentially a New Braunfles knock-off. I dunno who makes it for
BBQ Galore but, I expect it's priced at a premium over the "original".
There was some talk here once that BBQ Galore bought the design... I
dunno.
Now, that CharBroil has fully exercised their ownership of the NB line
and has closed the plant in New Braunfles, TX and "consolidated" to GA
we could be in for some "interesting" products.

If I had to guess I bet Charbroil is private labeling their offsets
for BBQ Galore. This is based on the fact that my NB Western Wrangler
(purchased @ BBQ Galore) never appeared on any other retailer's shelf.
It had several options included that are offered as accessories for
the other models (log starter, ss shelf, firebox liner, extra fire and
cooking grates).

Wether you by the offset mentioned or one from Home Depot you're
getting roughly the same design, quality and fuel consumption. I've
even seen offsets for sale at Wal-Mart & K-Mart (depending on your
local market). Other outdoor/sports stores carry NB as well: Academy
Sports a chain in Texas and some others.

If you want to grill...do it in the fire box with a purchased extra
(or supplied) cooking grate above the fire grate. IMO hot coals don't
belong in the cooking chamber.

If you want to barbeque...leave the coals in the firebox and put the
food in the smoking chamber.

Rob (That's why it's an off set pit)

moncho wrote:
>
> Just go with the WSM and forgettaboutit.
>
> Just use the top grate on the lower level for grilling.
>

Some people don't like verticals. Go figger. I won't buy another one.

matt tsang wrote:
> I'm looking to replace my old weber kettle grill.
>
> I want more grilling area and more control over low and slow cooking.
>
> I saw the barb-b-chef offset smoker at bbq galore. Any opinions on
> this grill? I like the amount of cooking area but it looks like it
> will be a pain to clear out the coals. Is the firebox sufficient for
> bbq?
>
> I'm open to other options. Ideally, I would like a piece of equipment
> where I can both grill and bbq.
>
> matt

Definitely consider Char-Griller's offset smoker.

http://www.char-griller.com

I bought their Super Pro model from Lowe's and then ordered the offset
fire box directly from the manufacturer. You can buy the Smokin' Pro and
get the same result.

C.

"M&M" > wrote:
> []
> There's a few of us here that use New Braunfels (Now Char-broil) offsets.
> I find it easy to grill, roast or slow cook on mine. To slow cook, I use
> the offset firebox. To grill, I cook direct in the main chamber. There's
> nearly 500 Sq In of cooking area in mine.[]

Likewise. My NB Cattleman has 416 sq in in the cook chamber, 169 over the
grill. Big enough so far. I find it very versatile, although a lump hog. I
go out and check it during commercial breaks. I have a baby Char=Broil
(gasser) somewhere in the Griller Graveyard, too. Occasionally, I'll
resurrect one of those zombies. <eg>

--
Intuitive insights from Nick, Retired in the San Fernando Valley

http://operationiraqichildren.org/

>I'm looking to replace my old weber kettle grill. I want more grilling area
and more control over low and slow cooking.

http://www.chargriller.com/

I just got their Smokin' Pro and will be using it for the first time this
weekend.

"Duwop" > wrote in message
...
> moncho wrote:
> >
> > Just go with the WSM and forgettaboutit.
> >
> > Just use the top grate on the lower level for grilling.
> >
>
> Some people don't like verticals. Go figger. I won't buy another one.

Did you purchase the WSM?

It is almost like the "As seen on TV rotissery", "Set it and forget it".

What a beautiful smoker! Just my opinion though....

mocho

"M&M" > wrote in message
...
> Offsets of any brand are fuel
> hungry and need a lot of tending. Once per hour for mine. I use ~6 gals.
of
> lump for a seven hour cook. (10 to 12 lbs) I like it anyway.

Good lord! I'm starting to appreciate my WSM even more in that it only uses
a small pile of fuel even for an overnight cook of 4 butts and it can hold
temperature without being touched for 6+ hours at a stretch, and even then
it just needs a kick and a vent adjustment.

"moncho" > wrote in message
...
> > > Just go with the WSM and forgettaboutit.
> > Some people don't like verticals. Go figger. I won't buy another one.
> Did you purchase the WSM?

I doubt it. I can't imagine anyone "upgrading" from a WSM unless they needed
to feed dozens of people at a time.

moncho wrote:
> What a beautiful smoker! Just my opinion though....
>

Exactly.

Don't mind me, feeling grumpy with all these pillheads (WSM) and
potteryheads (K's) sounding like a bunch of Hari-Krishnas chanting "come to
our smoke, come to our smoke". <BFG>

A guy asks for an offset and the acolytes couldnt help but prosthylize their
religion. Some people like iron.

Grumpily yours,

Dale

--

Duwop wrote:

> Exactly.
>
> Don't mind me, feeling grumpy with all these pillheads (WSM) and
> potteryheads (K's) sounding like a bunch of Hari-Krishnas chanting
> "come to our smoke, come to our smoke". <BFG>
>
> A guy asks for an offset and the acolytes couldnt help but
> prosthylize their religion. Some people like iron.

<BG> Dale, Dale, Dale... you Rustheads are the Old Religion. Our
proselytizing just comes natural to us in the LDS (Latter Day Smokers)
movement. Just remember, Amigo, that I love my Rusthead bretheren, who also
produce 'Q heaven here on earth. :-)
Dave (On the mission field)

Dave Bugg wrote:
>
> <BG> Dale, Dale, Dale... you Rustheads are the Old Religion. Our
> proselytizing just comes natural to us in the LDS (Latter Day Smokers)
> movement. Just remember, Amigo, that I love my Rusthead bretheren,
> who also produce 'Q heaven here on earth. :-)
> Dave (On the mission field)

Rustheads have big wood and know how to use it, LDS'ers have little chips
and are all wet.

<BEG>

--

Dave Bugg wrote:
> <BG> Dale, Dale, Dale... you Rustheads are the Old Religion. Our
> proselytizing just comes natural to us in the LDS (Latter Day Smokers)
> movement. Just remember, Amigo, that I love my Rusthead bretheren, who also
> produce 'Q heaven here on earth. :-)
> Dave (On the mission field)
>

Hopefully all branches in this deal still serving beer for communion.

Dave Bugg wrote:
> Duwop wrote:
>
>>Exactly.
>>
>>Don't mind me, feeling grumpy with all these pillheads (WSM) and
>>potteryheads (K's) sounding like a bunch of Hari-Krishnas chanting
>>"come to our smoke, come to our smoke". <BFG>
>>
>>A guy asks for an offset and the acolytes couldnt help but
>>prosthylize their religion. Some people like iron.
>
> <BG> Dale, Dale, Dale... you Rustheads are the Old Religion. Our
> proselytizing just comes natural to us in the LDS (Latter Day Smokers)
> movement. Just remember, Amigo, that I love my Rusthead bretheren, who also
> produce 'Q heaven here on earth. :-)
> Dave (On the mission field)

Dave,

I know you cook on a WSM at home, but isn't your Ole Hickory pit a
massive offset?
--
Aloha,

Nathan Lau
San Jose, CA

#include <std.disclaimer>

Dave Bugg wrote:

> <BG> Dale, Dale, Dale... you Rustheads are the Old Religion. Our
> proselytizing just comes natural to us in the LDS (Latter Day Smokers)
> movement.


Are we going to have put on ties and ride bicycles around door-to-door
to try and convert the gentiles?



Brian Rodenborn

Nathan Lau wrote:

> Dave,
>
> I know you cook on a WSM at home, but isn't your Ole Hickory pit a
> massive offset?

I now cook on a Kamado #7. The Ole Hickory is an enclosed pit with the
firebox sitting below and behind the cooking chamber.

Default User wrote:

> Are we going to have put on ties and ride bicycles around door-to-door
> to try and convert the gentiles?

I'm thinking more like old jeans, T-shirts, and big fans to blow the
deliciously, lofting 'Q odors around the neighborhood. :-)
Dave

Dave Bugg wrote:
>
> Default User wrote:
>
> > Are we going to have put on ties and ride bicycles around door-to-door
> > to try and convert the gentiles?
>
> I'm thinking more like old jeans, T-shirts, and big fans to blow the
> deliciously, lofting 'Q odors around the neighborhood. :-)


Heh. I brother-in-law bought the mother of all box fans for my sister's
graduation party. It's like six feet on a side and really moves some
air.



Brian Rodenborn

"Duwop" > wrote in message
...
> Dave Bugg wrote:
> >
> > <BG> Dale, Dale, Dale... you Rustheads are the Old Religion. Our
> > proselytizing just comes natural to us in the LDS (Latter Day Smokers)
> > movement. Just remember, Amigo, that I love my Rusthead bretheren,
> > who also produce 'Q heaven here on earth. :-)
> > Dave (On the mission field)
>
> Rustheads have big wood and know how to use it, LDS'ers have little chips
> and are all wet.

And then there were those who go both ways and REALLY like both
ways....ceramic and steel, that is.
Jack

On 23-Jun-2004, "Duwop" > wrote:
< snipped some other stuff here 'cause I couldn't help it.

> A guy asks for an offset and the acolytes couldnt help but prosthylize
> their
> religion. Some people like iron.
>
> Grumpily yours,
>
> Dale
>
> --
>

Yes, some do. I'm one of them.
--
M&M ("When You're Over The Hill You Pick Up Speed")

Jack Sloan wrote:

> And then there were those who go both ways....

Oh, Jack, you're making me blush!!!

On 23-Jun-2004, Bob in socal > wrote:
<snip some other stuff here>

> >Don't mind me, feeling grumpy with all these pillheads (WSM) and
> >potteryheads (K's) sounding like a bunch of Hari-Krishnas chanting "come
> >to
> >our smoke, come to our smoke". <BFG>
> >
> >A guy asks for an offset and the acolytes couldnt help but prosthylize
> >their
> >religion. Some people like iron.
> >
> >Grumpily yours,
> >
> >Dale
>
> 8^)
>
> Bob in Socal..

I can't argue the merits of the WSM or the pottery pits, but I
like my offset pit. And I do get a little tired of the comments
that nothing other then a WSM or pottery will do.
--
M&M ("When You're Over The Hill You Pick Up Speed")

M&M wrote:
> I can't argue the merits of the WSM or the pottery pits, but I
> like my offset pit. And I do get a little tired of the comments
> that nothing other then a WSM or pottery will do.

If the most of the fun's in actively managing the fire, those things
(WSM or pottery) are hardly fun at all, once you get the idea...course
at the other extreme you have your ECB's, you need to stand there all
day with a blow-dryer with 12 settings and possibly a blow-torch to
manage them...

On 23-Jun-2004, "Dave Bugg" <deebuggatcharterdotnet> wrote:

> Duwop wrote:
>
> > Exactly.
> >
> > Don't mind me, feeling grumpy with all these pillheads (WSM) and
> > potteryheads (K's) sounding like a bunch of Hari-Krishnas chanting
> > "come to our smoke, come to our smoke". <BFG>
> >
> > A guy asks for an offset and the acolytes couldnt help but
> > prosthylize their religion. Some people like iron.
>
> <BG> Dale, Dale, Dale... you Rustheads are the Old Religion. Our
> proselytizing just comes natural to us in the LDS (Latter Day Smokers)
> movement. Just remember, Amigo, that I love my Rusthead bretheren, who
> also
> produce 'Q heaven here on earth. :-)
> Dave (On the mission field)

Dave, Dave, Dave. I'm one of those rustheads that have currently been
relagated to the dim backwoods because I use too much heat. Well,
if I used just enough fire to maintain 220° in my pit, I'd have to add fuel
every 30 mins. Ain't gonna happen. For those disbelievers, check my
pics on ABF and if you missed them, I'll repost. I don't have any leftovers.

--
M&M ("When You're Over The Hill You Pick Up Speed")

M&M wrote:

> I can't argue the merits of the WSM or the pottery pits, but I
> like my offset pit. And I do get a little tired of the comments
> that nothing other then a WSM or pottery will do.

Anyone making that kind of a comment is a FOOL, Brick. Not only do offsets
have capacity that turn WSM'ers and Kamadians green with penis envy, but
there is nothing a K can produce as'Q, that can't be equally well done by
steel.
Dave

Dave Bugg wrote:
> M&M wrote:
>
>> I can't argue the merits of the WSM or the pottery pits, but I
>> like my offset pit. And I do get a little tired of the comments
>> that nothing other then a WSM or pottery will do.
>
> Anyone making that kind of a comment is a FOOL, Brick.

Nobody's saying anything like that, it just seems that way sometimes. Nah,
we're just outnumbered badly, and it can be a little annoying sometimes.
Nothing bad, not gonna blame a person for espousing something they like. But
to hear it, multiple times, in a thread where the guy is specifically asking
for an offset, well........................ made me grumpy. :-/

Yeah, I like the capacity and being able to burn logs and shovel coals. And
I like the smell of all that hot metal, and the smell on a warm day after
its been used a lot, the whole backyard sometimes smells like the last bbq,
and I dont think you get that as much with those others.

--

"Steve Wertz" > wrote in message
...
> On Thu, 24 Jun 2004 00:16:35 GMT, Douglas Barber
> > wrote:
>
> >If the most of the fun's in actively managing the fire, those things
> >(WSM or pottery) are hardly fun at all, once you get the idea...course
> >at the other extreme you have your ECB's, you need to stand there all
> >day with a blow-dryer with 12 settings and possibly a blow-torch to
> >manage them...
>
> ECB's don't need constant monitoring once you know how to use
> them.
>
> -sw

Ahhhh,but that process is a long and troubled road,grasshopper.
Jack

Steve Wertz wrote:
> On Thu, 24 Jun 2004 00:16:35 GMT, Douglas Barber
> > wrote:
>
>
>>If the most of the fun's in actively managing the fire, those things
>>(WSM or pottery) are hardly fun at all, once you get the idea...course
>>at the other extreme you have your ECB's, you need to stand there all
>>day with a blow-dryer with 12 settings and possibly a blow-torch to
>>manage them...
>
>
> ECB's don't need constant monitoring once you know how to use
> them.
>
> -sw

Hopefully this doesn't involve human sacrifice and the invocation of
strange deities.

<snip>

On 24-Jun-2004, Nutz > wrote:

> >Dave, Dave, Dave. I'm one of those rustheads that have currently been
> >relagated to the dim backwoods because I use too much heat. Well,
> >if I used just enough fire to maintain 220° in my pit, I'd have to add
> >fuel
> >every 30 mins. Ain't gonna happen. For those disbelievers, check my
> >pics on ABF and if you missed them, I'll repost. I don't have any
> >leftovers.
>
> I don't have any problem maintaning low temps and I tend the fire
> about every hour an 20 mins or so. What kind of pit do you have and
> what are you using for fuel?

Pit is New Braunfels Silver offset. Fuel is usually Royal Oak lump, but
sometimes oak or orange log splits. Most of my remaining oak splits
are too large to manage easily.
--
M&M ("When You're Over The Hill You Pick Up Speed")

In article >, Douglas Barber
> wrote:

> Steve Wertz wrote:
> >
> > ECB's don't need constant monitoring once you know how to use
> > them.
> >
> > -sw
>
> Hopefully this doesn't involve human sacrifice and the invocation of
> strange deities.

No My ECB made me take many deities' names in vain tho...

monroe(don't miss the G@%%AMN thing at all)

Thanks for the responses.

I'm leaning toward the Smokin' pro over the BBQ Galore model, mainly
because it seems like it has adjustable racks and removable ash pans.
(The bbqgalore does come with cast iron grills though...). They are
both priced around $200.

One last question before I take the plunge. If I spend up to $500 can
I get an offset that has thicker construction with less leaks? Or do I
have to spend a lot more with that?

matt


ospam (Tranch749) wrote in message >...
> >I'm looking to replace my old weber kettle grill. I want more grilling area
> and more control over low and slow cooking.
>
> http://www.chargriller.com/
>
> I just got their Smokin' Pro and will be using it for the first time this
> weekend.

matt tsang wrote:
> Thanks for the responses.
>
> I'm leaning toward the Smokin' pro over the BBQ Galore model, mainly
> because it seems like it has adjustable racks and removable ash pans.
> (The bbqgalore does come with cast iron grills though...). They are
> both priced around $200.
>
> One last question before I take the plunge. If I spend up to $500 can
> I get an offset that has thicker construction with less leaks? Or do I
> have to spend a lot more with that?
>
> matt
>

Doesnt seem to be much available any more between the low end and the high
end. The old New Braunfels was made of a thicker gauge than the Char-griller
I have. Seems now if you want to step up from Char-grill you got to go up to
about $1,000. I was interested in the answer to your question as well and
just did a search, couldnt find anything around $500.
I suggest you to go an get yourself a can of high heat spray paint, the
first burn in the firebox will burn off paint, so save yourself from rust
and be prepared.

--

"Duwop" > wrote in message
...
> matt tsang wrote:
> > Thanks for the responses.
> >
> > I'm leaning toward the Smokin' pro over the BBQ Galore model, mainly
> > because it seems like it has adjustable racks and removable ash pans.
> > (The bbqgalore does come with cast iron grills though...). They are
> > both priced around $200.
> >
> > One last question before I take the plunge. If I spend up to $500 can
> > I get an offset that has thicker construction with less leaks? Or do I
> > have to spend a lot more with that?
> >
> > matt
> >
>
> Doesnt seem to be much available any more between the low end and the high
> end. The old New Braunfels was made of a thicker gauge than the
Char-griller
> I have. Seems now if you want to step up from Char-grill you got to go up
to
> about $1,000. I was interested in the answer to your question as well and
> just did a search, couldnt find anything around $500.
> I suggest you to go an get yourself a can of high heat spray paint, the
> first burn in the firebox will burn off paint, so save yourself from rust
> and be prepared.
>
> --
>
>
>
Dales' mostly right about price - but if you can up the pain to about $700
you can get a Tejas offset that's built like a tank and that'll last you a
lifetime. Check 'em out www.tejassmokers.com . Hound loved Tejas.

Jack Curry
-or you could get a Kamado <VBG>

"Duwop" > wrote in message
...
> matt tsang wrote:
> > Thanks for the responses.
> >
> > I'm leaning toward the Smokin' pro over the BBQ Galore model, mainly
> > because it seems like it has adjustable racks and removable ash pans.
> > (The bbqgalore does come with cast iron grills though...). They are
> > both priced around $200.
> >
> > One last question before I take the plunge. If I spend up to $500 can
> > I get an offset that has thicker construction with less leaks? Or do I
> > have to spend a lot more with that?
> >
> > matt
> >
>
> Doesnt seem to be much available any more between the low end and the high
> end. The old New Braunfels was made of a thicker gauge than the Char-griller
> I have. Seems now if you want to step up from Char-grill you got to go up to
> about $1,000. I was interested in the answer to your question as well and
> just did a search, couldnt find anything around $500.
> I suggest you to go an get yourself a can of high heat spray paint, the
> first burn in the firebox will burn off paint, so save yourself from rust
> and be prepared.
>
> --
>
>
>

www.lyfetyme.com is a company in Uvalde that hits the midrange. I have never
used one but they look to be of a quality nearing David Klose's product. I have
a friend in Austin who's had one of their grills for yrs. and loves it.

They have a lifetime warranty against burn out of the fire box.

_________
ht_redneck

"Jack Curry" <Jack-Curry deletethis @cfl.rr.com> wrote in message
m...
> "Duwop" > wrote in message

> >
> Dales' mostly right about price - but if you can up the pain to about $700
> you can get a Tejas offset that's built like a tank and that'll last you a
> lifetime. Check 'em out www.tejassmokers.com . Hound loved Tejas.
>
> Jack Curry
> -or you could get a Kamado <VBG>

Hound loved his Tejas because he loved to dick around with the fire and drink a
lot. Turned out some very fine Q.

_________
ht_redneck