Dear All,
I am new here. Enjoy drinking good wine once in a while and since I am lucky
enough to have a nice person around me presenting me a few bottles of wine
every few months, I am right now starting to enjoy it even more. Still
though, I do not have much real knowledge about wine yet. I would
appreciate, if someone could tell me some more about the following bottle of
wine:

Cru Bourgeois
Ancienne Seigneurie des Comtes de Ségur
Vin de Bordeaux Grand
Chateau Ségur
Haut - Médoc
Appellation Haut - Médoc Controlée
1998
Grazioli, Viticulteur A 33290 Parempuyre - France
Mis en bouteille au Chateau

is all that is to be read on the bottle. Is that a bottle of wine that I
should be keeping a few more months or years to be better? Is it worth
keeping for a while before drinking it or is it nothing too special? What
about the price in money?

I'd be happy about just any information you might be able to give me about
that wine.

Thanks, Bastian

In article >, says...
>
>Dear All,
>I am new here. Enjoy drinking good wine once in a while and since I am lucky
>enough to have a nice person around me presenting me a few bottles of wine
>every few months, I am right now starting to enjoy it even more. Still
>though, I do not have much real knowledge about wine yet. I would
>appreciate, if someone could tell me some more about the following bottle of
>wine:
>
>Cru Bourgeois
>Ancienne Seigneurie des Comtes de Ségur
>Vin de Bordeaux Grand
>Chateau Ségur
>Haut - Médoc
>Appellation Haut - Médoc Controlée
>1998
>Grazioli, Viticulteur A 33290 Parempuyre - France
>Mis en bouteille au Chateau
>
>is all that is to be read on the bottle. Is that a bottle of wine that I
>should be keeping a few more months or years to be better? Is it worth
>keeping for a while before drinking it or is it nothing too special? What
>about the price in money?
>
>I'd be happy about just any information you might be able to give me about
>that wine.
>
>Thanks, Bastian

Welcome Bastian,

I am not familiar with Chateau Ségur, but the Cru Bourgeois is a bit of clue
as to the placement in the hierarchy of Bdx. If you call the classified
growths as the top 5-10% of the Bdx wines, then you have a very large group of
Cru Bourgeois making up around the next 20%. Within that group, there are
basically three classifications: Cru Bourgeois Exceptionnel (maybe 5%), Cru
Bourgeois Superieur (maybe 30%), then the rest is simply Cru Bourgeois. I do
not know how 1998 was for St-Estèphe, but considering that this wine is
somewhat near the "middle" of the Bdx production, it will probably not be
great. However, it might well be a very enjoyable wine, as most Cru Bourgeois,
regardless of hierarchy, are. I hope someone knows this wine and is familiar
with the '98 vintage, to give you an idea of wheter it is a hold, or drink-now
wine. I'd lean, out of ignorance, to drinking it now, but see what others say,
in case this happened to be a tannic monster, needing a few more years to
develop beyond its lineage.

Hunt
>
>

On 22 Feb 2005 22:32:40 GMT, (Hunt) wrote:

>In article >, says...
>>
>>Dear All,
>>I am new here. Enjoy drinking good wine once in a while and since I am lucky
>>enough to have a nice person around me presenting me a few bottles of wine
>>every few months, I am right now starting to enjoy it even more. Still
>>though, I do not have much real knowledge about wine yet. I would
>>appreciate, if someone could tell me some more about the following bottle of
>>wine:
>>
>>Cru Bourgeois
>>Ancienne Seigneurie des Comtes de Ségur
>>Vin de Bordeaux Grand
>>Chateau Ségur
>>Haut - Médoc
>>Appellation Haut - Médoc Controlée
>>1998
>>Grazioli, Viticulteur A 33290 Parempuyre - France
>>Mis en bouteille au Chateau
>>
>>is all that is to be read on the bottle. Is that a bottle of wine that I
>>should be keeping a few more months or years to be better? Is it worth
>>keeping for a while before drinking it or is it nothing too special? What
>>about the price in money?
>>
>>I'd be happy about just any information you might be able to give me about
>>that wine.
>>
>>Thanks, Bastian
>
>Welcome Bastian,
>
>I am not familiar with Chateau Ségur, but the Cru Bourgeois is a bit of clue
>as to the placement in the hierarchy of Bdx. If you call the classified
>growths as the top 5-10% of the Bdx wines, then you have a very large group of
>Cru Bourgeois making up around the next 20%. Within that group, there are
>basically three classifications: Cru Bourgeois Exceptionnel (maybe 5%), Cru
>Bourgeois Superieur (maybe 30%), then the rest is simply Cru Bourgeois. I do
>not know how 1998 was for St-Estèphe, but considering that this wine is
>somewhat near the "middle" of the Bdx production, it will probably not be
>great. However, it might well be a very enjoyable wine, as most Cru Bourgeois,
>regardless of hierarchy, are. I hope someone knows this wine and is familiar
>with the '98 vintage, to give you an idea of wheter it is a hold, or drink-now
>wine. I'd lean, out of ignorance, to drinking it now, but see what others say,
>in case this happened to be a tannic monster, needing a few more years to
>develop beyond its lineage.
>
>Hunt

A few more clues...

In the last classification Chateau Ségur is a Cru Bourgeois Superieur,
and is from Parempuyre in Haut-Médoc. Not St-Estèphe - were you
confusing with Phélan Ségur maybe, Hunt?

Otherwise I can find nothing about it. Nothing on wine-searcher.com
for example.

Would the "Ancienne Seigneurie des Comtes de Ségur" suggest it is a
2nd label, I wonder?

A couple of charts I have just suggest 98 Medocs may still be too
young for drinking now.

--
Steve Slatcher
http://pobox.com/~steve.slatcher

"Steve Slatcher" > skrev i melding
...
> On 22 Feb 2005 22:32:40 GMT, (Hunt) wrote:
>
>
> A couple of charts I have just suggest 98 Medocs may still be too
> young for drinking now.
>
My Ch. Beychevelle -98 was certainly very young last week. I'd hold that two
years.
The Segure might be ready, but I don't know it.
Anders

In article >, steve.slatcher@pobox
..com says...
>
>On 22 Feb 2005 22:32:40 GMT, (Hunt) wrote:
>
>>In article >, says...
>>>
>>>Dear All,
>>>I am new here. Enjoy drinking good wine once in a while and since I am
lucky
>>>enough to have a nice person around me presenting me a few bottles of wine
>>>every few months, I am right now starting to enjoy it even more. Still
>>>though, I do not have much real knowledge about wine yet. I would
>>>appreciate, if someone could tell me some more about the following bottle
of
>>>wine:
>>>
>>>Cru Bourgeois
>>>Ancienne Seigneurie des Comtes de Ségur
>>>Vin de Bordeaux Grand
>>>Chateau Ségur
>>>Haut - Médoc
>>>Appellation Haut - Médoc Controlée
>>>1998
>>>Grazioli, Viticulteur A 33290 Parempuyre - France
>>>Mis en bouteille au Chateau
>>>
>>>is all that is to be read on the bottle. Is that a bottle of wine that I
>>>should be keeping a few more months or years to be better? Is it worth
>>>keeping for a while before drinking it or is it nothing too special? What
>>>about the price in money?
>>>
>>>I'd be happy about just any information you might be able to give me about
>>>that wine.
>>>
>>>Thanks, Bastian
>>
>>Welcome Bastian,
>>
>>I am not familiar with Chateau Ségur, but the Cru Bourgeois is a bit of clue
>>as to the placement in the hierarchy of Bdx. If you call the classified
>>growths as the top 5-10% of the Bdx wines, then you have a very large group
of
>>Cru Bourgeois making up around the next 20%. Within that group, there are
>>basically three classifications: Cru Bourgeois Exceptionnel (maybe 5%), Cru
>>Bourgeois Superieur (maybe 30%), then the rest is simply Cru Bourgeois. I do
>>not know how 1998 was for St-Estèphe, but considering that this wine is
>>somewhat near the "middle" of the Bdx production, it will probably not be
>>great. However, it might well be a very enjoyable wine, as most Cru
Bourgeois,
>>regardless of hierarchy, are. I hope someone knows this wine and is familiar
>>with the '98 vintage, to give you an idea of wheter it is a hold, or drink-
now
>>wine. I'd lean, out of ignorance, to drinking it now, but see what others
say,
>>in case this happened to be a tannic monster, needing a few more years to
>>develop beyond its lineage.
>>
>>Hunt
>
>A few more clues...
>
>In the last classification Chateau Ségur is a Cru Bourgeois Superieur,
>and is from Parempuyre in Haut-Médoc. Not St-Estèphe - were you
>confusing with Phélan Ségur maybe, Hunt?

Yes, obviously too many Ségurs for me <G>. That is probably where I got the
idea that it was just a Cru Bourgeois, not Superieur. Thanks for the
clarification. Heck, Bastian even listed Haut-Médoc in the post - note to
self, read ALL the data, not just some of it.
>
>Otherwise I can find nothing about it. Nothing on wine-searcher.com
>for example.
>
>Would the "Ancienne Seigneurie des Comtes de Ségur" suggest it is a
>2nd label, I wonder?
>
>A couple of charts I have just suggest 98 Medocs may still be too
>young for drinking now.
>
>--
>Steve Slatcher
>http://pobox.com/~steve.slatcher

Sounds like Bastian's wine may have just gotten better. See, I told him
to not drink it tonight, until others had logged in on his wine. Thanks for
the correction.

Hunt

In message >
(Hunt) wrote:

> In article >, says... >
> > >Dear All, > >I am new here. Enjoy drinking good wine once in a while
and since I am lucky > >enough to have a nice person around me presenting
me a few bottles of wine > >every few months, I am right now starting to
enjoy it even more. Still > >though, I do not have much real knowledge
about wine yet. I would > >appreciate, if someone could tell me some more
about the following bottle of > >wine: > > > >Cru Bourgeois > >Ancienne
Seigneurie des Comtes de Ségur > >Vin de Bordeaux Grand > >Chateau Ségur >
>Haut - Médoc > >Appellation Haut - Médoc Controlée > >1998 > >Grazioli,
Viticulteur A 33290 Parempuyre - France > >Mis en bouteille au Chateau

This is — according to Cocks & Feret — a Cru Bourgeois Superieur - and is
the first wine — the second is Domaine Boisgrand and there is a marque
wine, Ch. Ségur-Fillon. The vineyard is planted with 42% Merlot, CS 35%
CF 17%, petit Verdot 6% on Garonnes gravel. All the wine is barrel aged for
18 to 24 months,
30% to 40% in new oak.

Given the quality of the vineyard — a Cru Bourgeois Superieur — and its
position I would have said that it would probably be ready to drink bu the
extensive use of oak makes me wonder if it would not benefit from a year or
two more. 1998 was, on the whole, a far better year for the Right Bank and
the Merlot on higher ground than the Left from which this comes. You can
be sure that while it might improve over the next couple of years or more
drinking it now will be an interesting learning experience. If you can fid
the same wine from a different year or years and open the two together — a
short vertical tasting in effect — that experience will be heightened and
you will begin to see the influence of grower and terroir and that of the
year.

HTH — whatever you do, enjoy the wine or the learning experience or both!

Timothy Hartley