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Sunday I spent morning at office, then afternoon alternating between
raking and painting- ah, the joys of home ownership! When I escaped from the alcohol-based primer fumes, I felt like some wine. While dinner was cooking, I opened a 375 of the 2004 Pierre Matrot Meursault. Crisp and citrusy, a little oak in background. Good length, concentration. I thought this was pretty decent Chardonnay, but not very Meursault-esque. All about lemon and slightly underripe pear fruit, not the fatness I associate with Meursault. Ok -nay, good- Burg, but I like the good to excellent 2004 Meursault Bourgogne AC at least as much as this Meursault. B Dinner was a pork and bean stew with orange zest , served with brown rice and broccoli. The recipe was from NYT : http://www.nytimes.com/2007/10/31/di...tml?ref=dining as a pairing for Portugese wine. If I had known, I would have told Betsy to use the Quinta de Cabriz, but she had grabbed a bottle of the 2005 Borsao (Campo De Borja, this is the one with dark label with beige/yellow accents) as cooking wine. We served the remaining couple of glasses with dinner. A winner again, at $7. Medium-bodied, cherry and red plum fruit, a hint of tobacco and earth. Not a lot of length, but tasty for price. B Monday Betsy made another recent NYT recipe, a broccoli rabe strata : http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpag...C1A9619C8B 63 I was conflicted over pairings, the eggs and cream tilted me toward white. I opened the 2006 JP Brun (Terres Dorees) Beaujolais Blanc. Seemed a bit thinner than I expected given the producer and rep of the vintage. Clean appley Chardonnay fruit, no oak, but not the depth or finish I have found in earlier vintages. I think 2006 is a fairly ripe big vintage, so maybe I misjudged this, but unlike most vintages of Brun white Beaujolais I don't order more after tasting. B- Today Betsy made a rack of lamb with a mustard/herb crust, accompanied by green beans and manakish (flatbread with za'atar, Betsy had gone with a friend to a Syrian market Monday). I concentrated on the lamb, and went with Bordeaux. The wine was the 1997 Ch. Lagrange (St. Julien). I recently split a case of this with a friend for $195. I'm very happy with the deal. Is this great Bordeaux? No, not by a long stretch. But at $16 a bottle this is a steal, lovely midweight claret. Red plum and blackcurrant fruit, resolved tannins, hints of vanilla, cigarbox, and damp earth. Doesn't have the length or concentration of a great Bordeaux, but this is more than a mere "luncheon claret. " I'd call it a solid journeyman of a Bordeaux, a nice wine at a nice price. This would probably sink into oblivion in a lineup with more "serious" Bordeaux, but I'm happy to have 5 more for Tuesday dinners with my wife (actually, maybe I should contemplate telling Marc it never came in- he hasn't paid me for his six yet- nah, no deal is worth being an #$%hole). B++ Grade disclaimer: I'm a very easy grader, basically A is an excellent wine, B a good wine, C mediocre. Anything below C means I wouldn't drink at a party where it was only choice. Furthermore, I offer no promises of objectivity, accuracy, and certainly not of consistency |
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DaleW wrote:
> Ok -nay, good- > Burg, but I like the good to excellent 2004 Meursault Bourgogne AC at > least as much as this Meursault. B Is the name of the producer Meursault, Dale, or is this a typo? I wouldn't think that EU law would allow a producer to take the name of a region that the wine wasn't entitled to, but what do I know? > > Dinner was a pork and bean stew with orange zest , served with brown > rice and broccoli. The recipe was from NYT : > http://www.nytimes.com/2007/10/31/di...tml?ref=dining > as a pairing for Portugese wine. If I had known, I would have told > Betsy to use the Quinta de Cabriz, but she had grabbed a bottle of the > 2005 Borsao (Campo De Borja, this is the one with dark label with > beige/yellow accents) as cooking wine. We served the remaining couple > of glasses with dinner. A winner again, at $7. Medium-bodied, cherry > and red plum fruit, a hint of tobacco and earth. Not a lot of length, > but tasty for price. B In my Sam's spree, I picked up two bottles of the '04 Borsao, still on their shelves along with the Tres Picos, but for $10.44 ![]() > This would probably sink into oblivion in a lineup with more > "serious" Bordeaux, but I'm happy to have 5 more for Tuesday dinners > with my wife (actually, maybe I should contemplate telling Marc it > never came in- he hasn't paid me for his six yet- nah, no deal is > worth being an #$%hole). B++ Lo, how those '97 prices have fallen! As if you needed another incentive to cough up Marc's share of the case, this wine doesn't sound quite attractive enough to warrant a whole case purchase anyway (at least, if you don't factor in the price). Thanks for the interesting notes, Mark Lipton -- alt.food.wine FAQ: http://winefaq.hostexcellence.com |
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The wine was the 1997 Ch. Lagrange (St.
> Julien). I recently split a case of this with a friend for $195. I'm > very happy with the deal. Is this great Bordeaux? No, not by a long > stretch. But at $16 a bottle this is a steal, lovely midweight claret. 1997 Claret, an underated vintage for drinking now. Readily available and not that expensive....(for Claret that is!!) JohnT |
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On Nov 27, 11:59�pm, Mark Lipton > wrote:
> DaleW wrote: > > Ok -nay, good- > > Burg, but I like the good to excellent 2004 Meursault Bourgogne AC at > > least as much as this Meursault. B > > Is the name of the producer Meursault, Dale, or is this a typo? �I > wouldn't think that EU law would allow a producer to take the name of a > region that the wine wasn't entitled to, but what do I know? > > > > > Dinner was a pork and bean stew with orange zest , served with brown > > rice and broccoli. The recipe was from NYT : > >http://www.nytimes.com/2007/10/31/di...tml?ref=dining > > as a pairing for Portugese wine. If I had known, I would have told > > Betsy to use the Quinta de Cabriz, but she had grabbed a bottle of the > > 2005 Borsao (Campo De Borja, this is the one with dark label with > > beige/yellow accents) as cooking wine. We served the remaining couple > > of glasses with dinner. A winner again, at $7. Medium-bodied, cherry > > and red plum fruit, a hint of tobacco and earth. Not a lot of length, > > but tasty for price. B > > In my Sam's spree, I picked up two bottles of the '04 Borsao, still on > their shelves along with the Tres Picos, but for $10.44 ![]() > > > This would probably sink into oblivion in a lineup with more > > "serious" Bordeaux, but I'm happy to have 5 more for Tuesday dinners > > with my wife (actually, maybe I should contemplate telling Marc it > > never came in- he hasn't paid me for his six yet- nah, no deal is > > worth being an #$%hole). B++ > > Lo, how those '97 prices have fallen! �As if you needed another > incentive to cough up Marc's share of the case, this wine doesn't sound > quite attractive enough to warrant a whole case purchase anyway (at > least, if you don't factor in the price). > > Thanks for the interesting notes, > Mark Lipton > -- > alt.food.wine FAQ: �http://winefaq.hostexcellence.com A typo indeed- I meant the Matrot Bourgogne AC. I am delivering Marc's Fri at our pinot-fest, but I would have been happy to have a full case. Not one for the ages, but certainly not fading, I'd drink over 3-4 years. I love having reasonably priced Bordeaux to have with my meat (last mature purchase I made like this was '96 Talbot at $12/375, I split a case of 24, and wish again I'd kept whole case). The problem is of course these deals are usually on prearrivals, gone by the time one tastes. |
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On Nov 28, 3:40�am, "John T" > wrote:
> �The wine was the 1997 Ch. Lagrange (St. > > > Julien). I recently split a case of this with a friend for $195. I'm > > very happy with the deal. Is this great Bordeaux? No, not by �a long > > stretch. But at $16 a bottle this is a steal, lovely midweight claret. > > 1997 Claret, an underated vintage for drinking now. Readily available and > not that expensive....(for Claret that is!!) > > JohnT Not expensive NOW, as prices have dropped as most other vintages have risen. But on release prices were equal or above '95 & '96. I think selected wines from '97 indeed offer good value for drinking now,. |
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![]() "DaleW" > wrote in message ... On Nov 27, 11:59?pm, Mark Lipton > wrote: > DaleW wrote: > > Ok -nay, good- > > Burg, but I like the good to excellent 2004 Meursault Bourgogne AC at > > least as much as this Meursault. B > > Is the name of the producer Meursault, Dale, or is this a typo? ?I > wouldn't think that EU law would allow a producer to take the name of a > region that the wine wasn't entitled to, but what do I know? > > > > > Dinner was a pork and bean stew with orange zest , served with brown > > rice and broccoli. The recipe was from NYT : > >http://www.nytimes.com/2007/10/31/di...tml?ref=dining > > as a pairing for Portugese wine. If I had known, I would have told > > Betsy to use the Quinta de Cabriz, but she had grabbed a bottle of the > > 2005 Borsao (Campo De Borja, this is the one with dark label with > > beige/yellow accents) as cooking wine. We served the remaining couple > > of glasses with dinner. A winner again, at $7. Medium-bodied, cherry > > and red plum fruit, a hint of tobacco and earth. Not a lot of length, > > but tasty for price. B > > In my Sam's spree, I picked up two bottles of the '04 Borsao, still on > their shelves along with the Tres Picos, but for $10.44 ![]() > > > This would probably sink into oblivion in a lineup with more > > "serious" Bordeaux, but I'm happy to have 5 more for Tuesday dinners > > with my wife (actually, maybe I should contemplate telling Marc it > > never came in- he hasn't paid me for his six yet- nah, no deal is > > worth being an #$%hole). B++ > > Lo, how those '97 prices have fallen! ?As if you needed another > incentive to cough up Marc's share of the case, this wine doesn't sound > quite attractive enough to warrant a whole case purchase anyway (at > least, if you don't factor in the price). > > Thanks for the interesting notes, > Mark Lipton > -- > alt.food.wine FAQ: ?http://winefaq.hostexcellence.com A typo indeed- I meant the Matrot Bourgogne AC. I am delivering Marc's Fri at our pinot-fest, but I would have been happy to have a full case. Not one for the ages, but certainly not fading, I'd drink over 3-4 years. I love having reasonably priced Bordeaux to have with my meat (last mature purchase I made like this was '96 Talbot at $12/375, I split a case of 24, and wish again I'd kept whole case). The problem is of course these deals are usually on prearrivals, gone by the time one tastes. -------------------------------------------------------- But the '97 Talbot that cost me too much, was just "picnic wine." And the bottles of '97 PLBaron weren't much better at more than double the price:-( Graham |
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