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Sunday I spent morning at office, then afternoon alternating between
raking and painting- ah, the joys of home ownership! When I escaped from the alcohol-based primer fumes, I felt like some wine. While dinner was cooking, I opened a 375 of the 2004 Pierre Matrot Meursault. Crisp and citrusy, a little oak in background. Good length, concentration. I thought this was pretty decent Chardonnay, but not very Meursault-esque. All about lemon and slightly underripe pear fruit, not the fatness I associate with Meursault. Ok -nay, good- Burg, but I like the good to excellent 2004 Meursault Bourgogne AC at least as much as this Meursault. B Dinner was a pork and bean stew with orange zest , served with brown rice and broccoli. The recipe was from NYT : http://www.nytimes.com/2007/10/31/di...tml?ref=dining as a pairing for Portugese wine. If I had known, I would have told Betsy to use the Quinta de Cabriz, but she had grabbed a bottle of the 2005 Borsao (Campo De Borja, this is the one with dark label with beige/yellow accents) as cooking wine. We served the remaining couple of glasses with dinner. A winner again, at $7. Medium-bodied, cherry and red plum fruit, a hint of tobacco and earth. Not a lot of length, but tasty for price. B Monday Betsy made another recent NYT recipe, a broccoli rabe strata : http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpag...C1A9619C8B 63 I was conflicted over pairings, the eggs and cream tilted me toward white. I opened the 2006 JP Brun (Terres Dorees) Beaujolais Blanc. Seemed a bit thinner than I expected given the producer and rep of the vintage. Clean appley Chardonnay fruit, no oak, but not the depth or finish I have found in earlier vintages. I think 2006 is a fairly ripe big vintage, so maybe I misjudged this, but unlike most vintages of Brun white Beaujolais I don't order more after tasting. B- Today Betsy made a rack of lamb with a mustard/herb crust, accompanied by green beans and manakish (flatbread with za'atar, Betsy had gone with a friend to a Syrian market Monday). I concentrated on the lamb, and went with Bordeaux. The wine was the 1997 Ch. Lagrange (St. Julien). I recently split a case of this with a friend for $195. I'm very happy with the deal. Is this great Bordeaux? No, not by a long stretch. But at $16 a bottle this is a steal, lovely midweight claret. Red plum and blackcurrant fruit, resolved tannins, hints of vanilla, cigarbox, and damp earth. Doesn't have the length or concentration of a great Bordeaux, but this is more than a mere "luncheon claret. " I'd call it a solid journeyman of a Bordeaux, a nice wine at a nice price. This would probably sink into oblivion in a lineup with more "serious" Bordeaux, but I'm happy to have 5 more for Tuesday dinners with my wife (actually, maybe I should contemplate telling Marc it never came in- he hasn't paid me for his six yet- nah, no deal is worth being an #$%hole). B++ Grade disclaimer: I'm a very easy grader, basically A is an excellent wine, B a good wine, C mediocre. Anything below C means I wouldn't drink at a party where it was only choice. Furthermore, I offer no promises of objectivity, accuracy, and certainly not of consistency |
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DaleW wrote:
Ok -nay, good- Burg, but I like the good to excellent 2004 Meursault Bourgogne AC at least as much as this Meursault. B Is the name of the producer Meursault, Dale, or is this a typo? I wouldn't think that EU law would allow a producer to take the name of a region that the wine wasn't entitled to, but what do I know? Dinner was a pork and bean stew with orange zest , served with brown rice and broccoli. The recipe was from NYT : http://www.nytimes.com/2007/10/31/di...tml?ref=dining as a pairing for Portugese wine. If I had known, I would have told Betsy to use the Quinta de Cabriz, but she had grabbed a bottle of the 2005 Borsao (Campo De Borja, this is the one with dark label with beige/yellow accents) as cooking wine. We served the remaining couple of glasses with dinner. A winner again, at $7. Medium-bodied, cherry and red plum fruit, a hint of tobacco and earth. Not a lot of length, but tasty for price. B In my Sam's spree, I picked up two bottles of the '04 Borsao, still on their shelves along with the Tres Picos, but for $10.44 ![]() This would probably sink into oblivion in a lineup with more "serious" Bordeaux, but I'm happy to have 5 more for Tuesday dinners with my wife (actually, maybe I should contemplate telling Marc it never came in- he hasn't paid me for his six yet- nah, no deal is worth being an #$%hole). B++ Lo, how those '97 prices have fallen! As if you needed another incentive to cough up Marc's share of the case, this wine doesn't sound quite attractive enough to warrant a whole case purchase anyway (at least, if you don't factor in the price). Thanks for the interesting notes, Mark Lipton -- alt.food.wine FAQ: http://winefaq.hostexcellence.com |
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The wine was the 1997 Ch. Lagrange (St.
Julien). I recently split a case of this with a friend for $195. I'm very happy with the deal. Is this great Bordeaux? No, not by a long stretch. But at $16 a bottle this is a steal, lovely midweight claret. 1997 Claret, an underated vintage for drinking now. Readily available and not that expensive....(for Claret that is!!) JohnT |
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On Nov 27, 11:59�pm, Mark Lipton wrote:
DaleW wrote: Ok -nay, good- Burg, but I like the good to excellent 2004 Meursault Bourgogne AC at least as much as this Meursault. B Is the name of the producer Meursault, Dale, or is this a typo? �I wouldn't think that EU law would allow a producer to take the name of a region that the wine wasn't entitled to, but what do I know? Dinner was a pork and bean stew with orange zest , served with brown rice and broccoli. The recipe was from NYT : http://www.nytimes.com/2007/10/31/di...tml?ref=dining as a pairing for Portugese wine. If I had known, I would have told Betsy to use the Quinta de Cabriz, but she had grabbed a bottle of the 2005 Borsao (Campo De Borja, this is the one with dark label with beige/yellow accents) as cooking wine. We served the remaining couple of glasses with dinner. A winner again, at $7. Medium-bodied, cherry and red plum fruit, a hint of tobacco and earth. Not a lot of length, but tasty for price. B In my Sam's spree, I picked up two bottles of the '04 Borsao, still on their shelves along with the Tres Picos, but for $10.44 ![]() This would probably sink into oblivion in a lineup with more "serious" Bordeaux, but I'm happy to have 5 more for Tuesday dinners with my wife (actually, maybe I should contemplate telling Marc it never came in- he hasn't paid me for his six yet- nah, no deal is worth being an #$%hole). B++ Lo, how those '97 prices have fallen! �As if you needed another incentive to cough up Marc's share of the case, this wine doesn't sound quite attractive enough to warrant a whole case purchase anyway (at least, if you don't factor in the price). Thanks for the interesting notes, Mark Lipton -- alt.food.wine FAQ: �http://winefaq.hostexcellence.com A typo indeed- I meant the Matrot Bourgogne AC. I am delivering Marc's Fri at our pinot-fest, but I would have been happy to have a full case. Not one for the ages, but certainly not fading, I'd drink over 3-4 years. I love having reasonably priced Bordeaux to have with my meat (last mature purchase I made like this was '96 Talbot at $12/375, I split a case of 24, and wish again I'd kept whole case). The problem is of course these deals are usually on prearrivals, gone by the time one tastes. |
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On Nov 28, 3:40�am, "John T" wrote:
�The wine was the 1997 Ch. Lagrange (St. Julien). I recently split a case of this with a friend for $195. I'm very happy with the deal. Is this great Bordeaux? No, not by �a long stretch. But at $16 a bottle this is a steal, lovely midweight claret. 1997 Claret, an underated vintage for drinking now. Readily available and not that expensive....(for Claret that is!!) JohnT Not expensive NOW, as prices have dropped as most other vintages have risen. But on release prices were equal or above '95 & '96. I think selected wines from '97 indeed offer good value for drinking now,. |
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![]() "DaleW" wrote in message ... On Nov 27, 11:59?pm, Mark Lipton wrote: DaleW wrote: Ok -nay, good- Burg, but I like the good to excellent 2004 Meursault Bourgogne AC at least as much as this Meursault. B Is the name of the producer Meursault, Dale, or is this a typo? ?I wouldn't think that EU law would allow a producer to take the name of a region that the wine wasn't entitled to, but what do I know? Dinner was a pork and bean stew with orange zest , served with brown rice and broccoli. The recipe was from NYT : http://www.nytimes.com/2007/10/31/di...tml?ref=dining as a pairing for Portugese wine. If I had known, I would have told Betsy to use the Quinta de Cabriz, but she had grabbed a bottle of the 2005 Borsao (Campo De Borja, this is the one with dark label with beige/yellow accents) as cooking wine. We served the remaining couple of glasses with dinner. A winner again, at $7. Medium-bodied, cherry and red plum fruit, a hint of tobacco and earth. Not a lot of length, but tasty for price. B In my Sam's spree, I picked up two bottles of the '04 Borsao, still on their shelves along with the Tres Picos, but for $10.44 ![]() This would probably sink into oblivion in a lineup with more "serious" Bordeaux, but I'm happy to have 5 more for Tuesday dinners with my wife (actually, maybe I should contemplate telling Marc it never came in- he hasn't paid me for his six yet- nah, no deal is worth being an #$%hole). B++ Lo, how those '97 prices have fallen! ?As if you needed another incentive to cough up Marc's share of the case, this wine doesn't sound quite attractive enough to warrant a whole case purchase anyway (at least, if you don't factor in the price). Thanks for the interesting notes, Mark Lipton -- alt.food.wine FAQ: ?http://winefaq.hostexcellence.com A typo indeed- I meant the Matrot Bourgogne AC. I am delivering Marc's Fri at our pinot-fest, but I would have been happy to have a full case. Not one for the ages, but certainly not fading, I'd drink over 3-4 years. I love having reasonably priced Bordeaux to have with my meat (last mature purchase I made like this was '96 Talbot at $12/375, I split a case of 24, and wish again I'd kept whole case). The problem is of course these deals are usually on prearrivals, gone by the time one tastes. -------------------------------------------------------- But the '97 Talbot that cost me too much, was just "picnic wine." And the bottles of '97 PLBaron weren't much better at more than double the price:-( Graham |
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