Skanky, ever the defiant mouthy teen, wrote:
> > > Well, you've pretty much admitted behaving
> > > in a manner that warrants ignoring or
> > > killfiling.
> >
> > So why don't you just shut the **** up and do it?
>
> Nah, I'm having too much fun being a defiant, brainless, mouthy teen.


Yes. We noticed.

Skanky, ever the defiant mouthy teen, wrote:
> > > Well, you've pretty much admitted behaving
> > > in a manner that warrants ignoring or
> > > killfiling.
> >
> > So why don't you just shut the **** up and do it?
>
> Nah, I'm having too much fun being a defiant, brainless, mouthy teen.

Yes. We noticed.

Skanky, ever the defiant mouthy teen, wrote:
> > > Last word eh?
> >
> > Yes. Like all other defiant mouthy teens, you insist on having the
> > last word. You don't have it in you just to let something drop
> > quietly. Like defiant mouthy teens the world who know they really
> > don't have anything to say but like to aggravate the adults, you
just
> > keep on, and on, and on...
>
> Last word eh?

Yes. That seems to be your irrational obsession.

> > > Yes. Like all other defiant mouthy teens, you insist on having
the
> > > last word. You don't have it in you just to let something drop
> > > quietly. Like defiant mouthy teens the world who know they really
> > > don't have anything to say but like to aggravate the adults, you
> just
> > > keep on, and on, and on...
> >
> > Last word eh?
>
> Yes. That seems to be your irrational obsession.

I think that is actually your obsession, but
I'll play a bit. Can you spell projection?

> > Nah, I'm having too much fun being a defiant, brainless, mouthy
teen.

That's pretty low to edit and change someone's
quote in full view of everyone. Who do you hope
to fool?


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> > Nah, I'm having too much fun being a defiant, brainless, mouthy
teen.

Gee Art/Rudy, your other personality edited
that exactly the same way. You two should
get together and meet someday.


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"Scented Nectar" > wrote in message
...
>> ====================
>> Really? Projecting your ignorant fears again, killer?
>> Luckily
>> for me my trip to Toronto got cancelled last weekend.
>>
>> Of course, I'm sure the waterfront can't compete with your
>> odor.
>
>
> The city pays me to stay away from tourist traps.
> It's that vile.
> =====================
Figured as much.

I never thought of Monarch Park Collegiate as a tourist trap
though. I'm sure the school would be surprised.




> --
> SN
> http://www.scentednectar.com/veg/
> A huge directory listing over 700 veg recipe sites.
> Has a fun 'Jump to a Random Link' button.
> Irony, hypocrisy, ignorance and stupidity run amok.
>

"Scented Nectar" > wrote in message
...
>> =================
>> Wah., wah. Such is the life of a modern clueless urbanite.
>> Woe
>> is me, I'm a victim. Poor little me....
>>
>>
>> What a hoot! You are being victimized by your complete
>> stupidity
>> and terminal ignorance, killer.
>> You were victmized long ago by your educational system.
>> 5-letter
>> word indeed...
>>
>>
>>
>> snippage of more ignorance. Just to save you from yourself,
>> and
>> the abuse you invite.
>
> Sometimes the crap you write is just so
> brainless, I'm speechless!
======================
Yet somehow you've never been able to refute any of it.


>
> --
> SN
> http://www.scentednectar.com/veg/
> A huge directory listing over 700 veg recipe sites.
> Has a fun 'Jump to a Random Link' button.
> Irony, hypocrisy, ignorance and stupidity run amok.

>

Skanky, ever the defiant mouthy teen, wrote:
> > > > Yes. Like all other defiant mouthy teens, you insist on having
the
> > > > last word. You don't have it in you just to let something drop
> > > > quietly. Like defiant mouthy teens the world who know they
really
> > > > don't have anything to say but like to aggravate the adults,
you just
> > > > keep on, and on, and on...
> > >
> > > Last word eh?
> >
> > Yes. That seems to be your irrational obsession.
>
> I think that is actually your obsession

No, it's yours. You haven't let ANY thread drop in which you've played
your defiant mouthy teen role. Not with me, not with anyone. You
don't have anything to say at the beginning of such threads, and you
just keep saying nothing in them interminably.

Typical mouthy defiant teen routine.

Skanky, ever the defiant mouthy teen, wrote:
> > > It's just lucky that I'm as strong a person
> > > as I am.
> >
> > You're stubborn as a mule, I don't call that strong, or lucky.
>
> It's a strength.

It's stupid. I hope it someday gets you killed the same way that
mouthy actress in New York got killed. If she had just kept her stupid
****ing mouth shut, she'd be alive today.

Skanky, ever the defiant, mouthy teen with nothing to say, wrote:
> > > Nah, I'm having too much fun being a defiant, brainless, mouthy
teen.
>
> That's pretty low to edit and change someone's
> quote in full view of everyone.

I just clarified your wording. It's what you meant, but you didn't
write it clearly. You were too busy mouthing off and acting defiant.

> > Sometimes the crap you write is just so
> > brainless, I'm speechless!
> ======================
> Yet somehow you've never been able to refute any of it.


I don't need to. It shows itself for what it
is, a pack of insults, verbal diarrhea.

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Has a fun 'Jump to a Random Link' button.

"Scented Nectar" > wrote

>> > It's just lucky that I'm as strong a person
>> > as I am.
>>
>> You're stubborn as a mule, I don't call that strong, or lucky.
>
> It's a strength.

Only if it serves a purpose.

You just don't like to see
> anyone stand up to you.

I don't mind that one bit, but your responses show a pattern of cognitive
stagnation.

>> > I'm able to see the humour and
>> > not feel hurt at your attempts to make me
>> > feel bad.
>>
>> I don't want you to feel bad, I want you to expand your thinking.
> Believe it
>> or not, that will actually make you feel good, VERY good. The reason
> you
>> feel bad is due to your dogged resistance to thinking beyond this
> narrow
>> scope you have chosen for yourself.
>
> You're not a teacher and I've not asked you
> for help in my thinking.

I don't care if you asked, as long as you continue to express ideas on this
newsgroup that I think deserve a response I will continue to do so.

> You insult my thinking
> by calling it narrow.

I can't help that, veganism is an absurdly narrow form of thinking.

> You know, the more
> you do crap like that, the less I think of you
> and the more I see your trollish side.

I wasn't aware you ever thought anything good of me, you've never said so.

> You're also making assumptions. Why
> say that I feel bad when I don't?

I don't think you feel bad, I think you feel comfortable, but comfort is not
the pinnacle of consciousness, it can indicate stagnation.

> You
> WANT me to feel bad, and then turn
> to you as a helper? Get real.

That's not what's happening. I am trying to make a couple of very simple
points, truths that will subtly alter how you view things, and ideally cause
a lovely cascade of awareness that you don't currently enjoy.

>> > Most people, as you well know
>> > by now, don't want to have anything to do
>> > with you. They ignore and killfile you.
>>
>> I don't know anything of the sort. I'm not aware of anyone killfiling
> me.
>
> I'm sure it happens to you on a regular basis.

I have not seen any evidence of it. Usually people who are about to killfile
someone make a ceremonial "Plonk!" post. Nobody has ever done that to me.
Maybe it's because I am more engaging and honest than you are willing to
admit.

> > > > Nah, I'm having too much fun being a defiant, brainless, mouthy
> teen.
> >
> > That's pretty low to edit and change someone's
> > quote in full view of everyone.
>
> I just clarified your wording. It's what you meant, but you didn't
> write it clearly. You were too busy mouthing off and acting defiant.

You changed it to an insult. Aren't you man
enough to admit this is what you did?


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Has a fun 'Jump to a Random Link' button.

> > > You're stubborn as a mule, I don't call that strong, or lucky.
> >
> > It's a strength.
>
> It's stupid. I hope it someday gets you killed the same way that
> mouthy actress in New York got killed. If she had just kept her
stupid
> ****ing mouth shut, she'd be alive today.

So, you're upset that I won't shut up? How
does that upset you? Don't you know how
to killfile someone? Wishing me death is
quite trollish of you. All you have to do is
go into you mail reader settings. I'm sure
you'll figure it out.


--
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Has a fun 'Jump to a Random Link' button.

"Scented Nectar" > wrote in message
...
>> >> The reason you are not a victim is that your participation in these
>> >> conversations is 100% voluntary. Victims are always in some respect
>> > trapped
>> >> or ambushed, whether in a family, school, or other setting. You
> choose
>> > to
>> >> participate instead of ignoring, killfiling people or
> conversations.
>> >
>> > Well, you've pretty much admitted behaving
>> > in a manner that warrants ignoring or
>> > killfiling.
>
> You expected me to ignore or killfile you, but
> I have not.

I don't expect anything.

> I refuse to be a victim but not for
> lack of trying on your part.

That's a falsehood, I have not tried to victimize you. Challenging a
person's ideas verbally on an open forum is NOT victimization by any
rational definition.

> You and the other
> trolls have been victimizing me since my
> arrival here.

I do not accept responsibility for what others post, and you are NOT a
victim, as I have demonstrated, therefore you have NOT been victimized.

>> Which words exactly did you infer that idea from? I described
> victimization
>> and specifically showed your situation does NOT apply.
>
> You're saying it doesn't apply merely
> because I've given you unexpected
> responses. I'm not playing the same
> game you are on this.

You said I admitted victimizing you, where did I admit victimizing you?

>> > My prefered response to trolls
>> > are responding, sometimes seriously
>> > and sometimes humourously.
>>
>> Exactly my point, you willingly CHOOSE to engage in these exchanges,
> you are
>> not a victim, as Ron alleged.
>
> He's right in as much as I am indeed being
> victimized. The only thing out of the ordinary
> here, is that your attempts aren't working.

Both of you have a mistaken idea of what victimization is. I hope you never
experience *real* victimization, if you ever do, you will know the
difference.

You continue to get battered (rhetorically) here because you are too
stubborn to walk away and too confused to mount a coherent defense of your
ideas.

>> >> > I can't even cook up an innocent soup
>> >> > without you trolls jumping into the cookpot.
>> >>
>> >> I would not have even known you were cooking soup unless you had
>> > announced
>> >> it on a group dedicated to vegetarian ethics.
>> >
>> > Well, now you know. Further soup posting
>> > will occur if the soup comes out tasting
>> > good. It's a new soup and I'm not even
>> > sure yet what I'll put in it.
>>
>> It just shows the silliness of your complaint that you can't cook soup
>> without being harrassed.
>
> It shows the silliness of the trolls.

I'm not sure if it's love of punishment, love of complaining, or both, but
if you're a victim, you are a willing one.

"Scented Nectar" > wrote

>> > Well, you've pretty much admitted behaving
>> > in a manner that warrants ignoring or
>> > killfiling.
>>
>> So why don't you just shut the **** up and do it?
>
> Nah, I'm having too much fun playing with you
> trollboys. Maybe you'll get lucky and I'll get
> bored with you some day.

Since you're having fun that pretty much rules out your complaint about
being a victim.

Or is playing the victim pass for fun in your world?

> I never thought of Monarch Park Collegiate as a tourist trap
> though. I'm sure the school would be surprised.


Do you figure that every Torontonian
went to Monarch Park? You made
this same assumption when talking
to Ron.

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A huge directory listing over 700 veg recipe sites.
Has a fun 'Jump to a Random Link' button.

Do you have any last words?


--
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A huge directory listing over 700 veg recipe sites.
Has a fun 'Jump to a Random Link' button.

> You just don't like to see
> > anyone stand up to you.
>
> I don't mind that one bit, but your responses show a pattern of
cognitive
> stagnation.

Nonsense. More of your ridiculous pseudo-
psych nonsense.

> > You're not a teacher and I've not asked you
> > for help in my thinking.
>
> I don't care if you asked, as long as you continue to express ideas on
this
> newsgroup that I think deserve a response I will continue to do so.

Try just being a person. Stop thinking of
yourself as a magic helper.

> > You insult my thinking
> > by calling it narrow.
>
> I can't help that, veganism is an absurdly narrow form of thinking.

And how many people have you 'rescued'
from the horrors of this peaceful diet?
What's your track record?

> > You know, the more
> > you do crap like that, the less I think of you
> > and the more I see your trollish side.
>
> I wasn't aware you ever thought anything good of me, you've never said
so.

You're not as bad as Rudy/Jon but you are
still high up on the troll scale. Your pretense
of helping always has not well hidden
insults.

> > You're also making assumptions. Why
> > say that I feel bad when I don't?
>
> I don't think you feel bad, I think you feel comfortable, but comfort
is not
> the pinnacle of consciousness, it can indicate stagnation.

There's no stagnation, and I feel great. Not
just comfortable. You are not anyone's
saviour. You should seek counselling.

> That's not what's happening. I am trying to make a couple of very
simple
> points, truths that will subtly alter how you view things, and ideally
cause
> a lovely cascade of awareness that you don't currently enjoy.

Are you a guru now too?




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Has a fun 'Jump to a Random Link' button.

> > I refuse to be a victim but not for
> > lack of trying on your part.
>
> That's a falsehood, I have not tried to victimize you. Challenging a
> person's ideas verbally on an open forum is NOT victimization by any
> rational definition.

Your insulting ways speak for themselves. You
just don't want to be lumped in with Rudy and all.

> > You and the other
> > trolls have been victimizing me since my
> > arrival here.
>
> I do not accept responsibility for what others post, and you are NOT a
> victim, as I have demonstrated, therefore you have NOT been
victimized.

No, but victimization was certainly attempted.
I stood up to you all and still do.

> >> Exactly my point, you willingly CHOOSE to engage in these
exchanges,
> > you are
> >> not a victim, as Ron alleged.
> >
> > He's right in as much as I am indeed being
> > victimized. The only thing out of the ordinary
> > here, is that your attempts aren't working.
>
> Both of you have a mistaken idea of what victimization is. I hope you
never
> experience *real* victimization, if you ever do, you will know the
> difference.

As far as internet victimization goes, it goes on
in these newsgroups for sure.

> You continue to get battered (rhetorically) here because you are too
> stubborn to walk away and too confused to mount a coherent defense of
your
> ideas.

Again you assume or hope that I'm in a battered
position. I'm not. I simply stand up to you trolls.


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Has a fun 'Jump to a Random Link' button.



> >> >> > I can't even cook up an innocent soup
> >> >> > without you trolls jumping into the cookpot.
> >> >>
> >> >> I would not have even known you were cooking soup unless you had
> >> > announced
> >> >> it on a group dedicated to vegetarian ethics.
> >> >
> >> > Well, now you know. Further soup posting
> >> > will occur if the soup comes out tasting
> >> > good. It's a new soup and I'm not even
> >> > sure yet what I'll put in it.
> >>
> >> It just shows the silliness of your complaint that you can't cook
soup
> >> without being harrassed.
> >
> > It shows the silliness of the trolls.
>
> I'm not sure if it's love of punishment, love of complaining, or both,
but
> if you're a victim, you are a willing one.
>
>

Scented Nectar wrote:
> > Since you're having fun that pretty much rules out your complaint
> about
> > being a victim.
> >
> > Or is playing the victim pass for fun in your world?
>
> I have not once complained about being a victim.
> However, you and the other trolls definitely tried
> to victimize me. The only reason it doesn't work
> is because I stand up to you.

Skanky, you couldn't stand up to the Stay-Puft Marshmallow Man. You're
an intellectual flyweight.

>
>
> --
> SN
> http://www.scentednectar.com/veg/
> A huge directory listing over 700 veg recipe sites.
> Has a fun 'Jump to a Random Link' button.

> Since you're having fun that pretty much rules out your complaint
about
> being a victim.
>
> Or is playing the victim pass for fun in your world?

I have not once complained about being a victim.
However, you and the other trolls definitely tried
to victimize me. The only reason it doesn't work
is because I stand up to you.


--
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Has a fun 'Jump to a Random Link' button.

Skanky, ever the defiant mouthy teen, wrote:
> > Skanky, you couldn't stand up to the Stay-Puft Marshmallow Man.
> > You're an intellectual flyweight.
>
>
> So, how come you have to resort to insults?

Because you BEG for it. You walk down the street wearing a t-shirt
that reads "Insult me". It says it front and back, too.

> Skanky, you couldn't stand up to the Stay-Puft Marshmallow Man.
You're
> an intellectual flyweight.


So, how come you have to resort to insults?

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Has a fun 'Jump to a Random Link' button.

Skanky, ever the defiant mouthy teen, wrote:
> > > > You're stubborn as a mule, I don't call that strong, or lucky.
> > >
> > > It's a strength.
> >
> > It's stupid. I hope it someday gets you killed the same way that
> > mouthy actress in New York got killed. If she had just kept her
> stupid
> > ****ing mouth shut, she'd be alive today.
>
> So, you're upset that I won't shut up?

No.

Why WON'T you shut up? Just once...

> > So, you're upset that I won't shut up?
>
> No.
>
> Why WON'T you shut up? Just once...

Because I have things to say. If you
didn't want to talk with me, why respond
in this thread which was supposed to be
about a vegan soup? Who asked your
opinion on my posts?


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Has a fun 'Jump to a Random Link' button.

> > So, how come you have to resort to insults?
>
> Because you BEG for it. You walk down the street wearing a t-shirt
> that reads "Insult me". It says it front and back, too.

Nope. It's because you are a troll. That's
why you insult. You want people to hate
you maybe.


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Has a fun 'Jump to a Random Link' button.

"Scented Nectar" > wrote in message
...
>> I never thought of Monarch Park Collegiate as a tourist trap
>> though. I'm sure the school would be surprised.
>
>
> Do you figure that every Torontonian
> went to Monarch Park? You made
> this same assumption when talking
> to Ron.
=====================
No fool. That was where I was going to be. Too bad you can't
read for comprehension...


>
> --
> SN
> http://www.scentednectar.com/veg/
> A huge directory listing over 700 veg recipe sites.
> Has a fun 'Jump to a Random Link' button.
>
>

"Scented Nectar" > wrote in message
...
>> > Sometimes the crap you write is just so
>> > brainless, I'm speechless!
>> ======================
>> Yet somehow you've never been able to refute any of it.
>
>
> I don't need to. It shows itself for what it
> is, a pack of insults, verbal diarrhea.
========================
No killer. It has been shown as the truth.


>
> --
> SN
> http://www.scentednectar.com/veg/
> A huge directory listing over 700 veg recipe sites.
> Has a fun 'Jump to a Random Link' button.
>
>

Scented Nectar wrote:
> > Skanky, you couldn't stand up to the Stay-Puft Marshmallow Man.
> You're
> > an intellectual flyweight.
>
>
> So, how come you have to resort to insults?

Why shouldn't I? You offer nothing of substance. Your signal-noise
ratio is effectively zero. You rate nothing but ridicule.

>
> --
> SN
> http://www.scentednectar.com/veg/
> A huge directory listing over 700 veg recipe sites.
> Has a fun 'Jump to a Random Link' button.

"Scented Nectar" > wrote in message
...
>> You just don't like to see
>> > anyone stand up to you.
>>
>> I don't mind that one bit, but your responses show a pattern of
> cognitive
>> stagnation.
>
> Nonsense. More of your ridiculous pseudo-
> psych nonsense.

It's not nonsense, I have many examples of it.

>> > You're not a teacher and I've not asked you
>> > for help in my thinking.
>>
>> I don't care if you asked, as long as you continue to express ideas on
> this
>> newsgroup that I think deserve a response I will continue to do so.
>
> Try just being a person.

I am just a person.

> Stop thinking of
> yourself as a magic helper.

Then stop thinking of me as a troll.

>> > You insult my thinking
>> > by calling it narrow.
>>
>> I can't help that, veganism is an absurdly narrow form of thinking.
>
> And how many people have you 'rescued'
> from the horrors of this peaceful diet?
> What's your track record?

My record is terrible, veganism is bloody hard to get away from.

>> > You know, the more
>> > you do crap like that, the less I think of you
>> > and the more I see your trollish side.
>>
>> I wasn't aware you ever thought anything good of me, you've never said
> so.
>
> You're not as bad as Rudy/Jon but you are
> still high up on the troll scale. Your pretense
> of helping always has not well hidden
> insults.

Criticism and insults are not the same thing.

>> > You're also making assumptions. Why
>> > say that I feel bad when I don't?
>>
>> I don't think you feel bad, I think you feel comfortable, but comfort
> is not
>> the pinnacle of consciousness, it can indicate stagnation.
>
> There's no stagnation, and I feel great. Not
> just comfortable. You are not anyone's
> saviour. You should seek counselling.

You shouldn't think your state of mind equals feeling "great" because it
absolutely can't.

>> That's not what's happening. I am trying to make a couple of very
> simple
>> points, truths that will subtly alter how you view things, and ideally
> cause
>> a lovely cascade of awareness that you don't currently enjoy.
>
> Are you a guru now too?

Yes, to you at this time in our lives, I am.

"Scented Nectar" > wrote in message
...
>> > I refuse to be a victim but not for
>> > lack of trying on your part.
>>
>> That's a falsehood, I have not tried to victimize you. Challenging a
>> person's ideas verbally on an open forum is NOT victimization by any
>> rational definition.
>
> Your insulting ways speak for themselves. You
> just don't want to be lumped in with Rudy and all.

I am my own person. Challenging ideas is NOT victimizing.

>
>> > You and the other
>> > trolls have been victimizing me since my
>> > arrival here.
>>
>> I do not accept responsibility for what others post, and you are NOT a
>> victim, as I have demonstrated, therefore you have NOT been
> victimized.
>
> No, but victimization was certainly attempted.
> I stood up to you all and still do.

Sticking to bad notions is not a victory, it's just stubbornness. I don't
want to you to feel put down, I want you have the courage to question your
assumptions.

>> >> Exactly my point, you willingly CHOOSE to engage in these
> exchanges,
>> > you are
>> >> not a victim, as Ron alleged.
>> >
>> > He's right in as much as I am indeed being
>> > victimized. The only thing out of the ordinary
>> > here, is that your attempts aren't working.
>>
>> Both of you have a mistaken idea of what victimization is. I hope you
> never
>> experience *real* victimization, if you ever do, you will know the
>> difference.
>
> As far as internet victimization goes, it goes on
> in these newsgroups for sure.

Even that is doubtful, but specifically, *I* am not attempting to victimize
anyone.

>> You continue to get battered (rhetorically) here because you are too
>> stubborn to walk away and too confused to mount a coherent defense of
> your
>> ideas.
>
> Again you assume or hope that I'm in a battered
> position. I'm not. I simply stand up to you trolls.

Whining about being victimized shows that you feel battered. Also you are
not stupid, I know damn well that you can sometimes tell for a moment when
your position is leaking oil, but something is stopping you from addressing
those times, pride, stubborness, persistence.. whatever, but there's a
commonly sensible view of all this that you are not seeing.

"Scented Nectar" > wrote

>> Skanky, you couldn't stand up to the Stay-Puft Marshmallow Man.
> You're
>> an intellectual flyweight.
>
>
> So, how come you have to resort to insults?

He loses respect for people quickly.

> > Nonsense. More of your ridiculous pseudo-
> > psych nonsense.
>
> It's not nonsense, I have many examples of it.

You are not a shrink. Stop trying to fake it.

> > Stop thinking of
> > yourself as a magic helper.
>
> Then stop thinking of me as a troll.

As long as you force your 'help' on
people, I will think of you as a troll.

> > And how many people have you 'rescued'
> > from the horrors of this peaceful diet?
> > What's your track record?
>
> My record is terrible, veganism is bloody hard to get away from.

Maybe no one want's your 'help'.

> > You're not as bad as Rudy/Jon but you are
> > still high up on the troll scale. Your pretense
> > of helping always has not well hidden
> > insults.
>
> Criticism and insults are not the same thing.

They are when the goal is to insult.

> > There's no stagnation, and I feel great. Not
> > just comfortable. You are not anyone's
> > saviour. You should seek counselling.
>
> You shouldn't think your state of mind equals feeling "great" because
it
> absolutely can't.

Now you sound like Rudy with the
'absolutes'. Why can't I feel great?
Do you think that's impossible if
the person is veg*n? Maybe you
don't want to accept me feeling
great because that would mean
your 'help' isn't needed.

> > Are you a guru now too?
>
> Yes, to you at this time in our lives, I am.

No you're not. Get it through your head.
You are not a guru. No one wants your
'help'. Haven't you figured that out after
all the time you've been here?


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Has a fun 'Jump to a Random Link' button.

> > Do you figure that every Torontonian
> > went to Monarch Park? You made
> > this same assumption when talking
> > to Ron.
> =====================
> No fool. That was where I was going to be. Too bad you can't
> read for comprehension...

You never said that that was where you
were going to be. Do you talk to school
kids in the same way as you talk online?
Do you call them fools?


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A huge directory listing over 700 veg recipe sites.
Has a fun 'Jump to a Random Link' button.

> > Your insulting ways speak for themselves. You
> > just don't want to be lumped in with Rudy and all.
>
> I am my own person. Challenging ideas is NOT victimizing.

It is when it's just an excuse to insult or
assume bad things about a person

> > No, but victimization was certainly attempted.
> > I stood up to you all and still do.
>
> Sticking to bad notions is not a victory, it's just stubbornness. I
don't
> want to you to feel put down, I want you have the courage to question
your
> assumptions.

You want me to doubt myself. And then you
want to help me. I don't doubt myself and I
don't need your help. Veganism is not a
bad notion.

> > As far as internet victimization goes, it goes on
> > in these newsgroups for sure.
>
> Even that is doubtful, but specifically, *I* am not attempting to
victimize
> anyone.

You keep assuming and hoping that people
will feel bad and you can help them, right?

> > Again you assume or hope that I'm in a battered
> > position. I'm not. I simply stand up to you trolls.
>
> Whining about being victimized shows that you feel battered. Also you
are
> not stupid, I know damn well that you can sometimes tell for a moment
when
> your position is leaking oil, but something is stopping you from
addressing
> those times, pride, stubborness, persistence.. whatever, but there's a
> commonly sensible view of all this that you are not seeing.

Who's whining. You brought up victimization. You
should read me again. I don't feel battered, as the
victimization attempts didn't and won't work. You
are still trying to put me in the position you hope
but it's not working.


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http://www.scentednectar.com/veg/
A huge directory listing over 700 veg recipe sites.
Has a fun 'Jump to a Random Link' button.

In article >,
"Scented Nectar" > wrote:

> > I never thought of Monarch Park Collegiate as a tourist trap
> > though. I'm sure the school would be surprised.
>
>
> Do you figure that every Torontonian
> went to Monarch Park? You made
> this same assumption when talking
> to Ron.

I think the desire outcome is for you to say "I went to..." There is a
consistent effort here to obtain personal information.

"Scented Nectar" > wrote in message
...
> > > Nonsense. More of your ridiculous pseudo-
> > > psych nonsense.
> >
> > It's not nonsense, I have many examples of it.
>
> You are not a shrink. Stop trying to fake it.

I don't need to be a shrink.

> > > Stop thinking of
> > > yourself as a magic helper.
> >
> > Then stop thinking of me as a troll.
>
> As long as you force your 'help' on
> people, I will think of you as a troll.

You call anyone who disagrees with your point of view a troll, so my motives
are irrelevant.

> > > And how many people have you 'rescued'
> > > from the horrors of this peaceful diet?
> > > What's your track record?
> >
> > My record is terrible, veganism is bloody hard to get away from.
>
> Maybe no one want's your 'help'.

No one wants fondly held illusions shattered. Occasionally a person will
allow it to happen, and they are the better for it.

> > > You're not as bad as Rudy/Jon but you are
> > > still high up on the troll scale. Your pretense
> > > of helping always has not well hidden
> > > insults.
> >
> > Criticism and insults are not the same thing.
>
> They are when the goal is to insult.

That's not my goal.

> > > There's no stagnation, and I feel great. Not
> > > just comfortable. You are not anyone's
> > > saviour. You should seek counselling.
> >
> > You shouldn't think your state of mind equals feeling "great" because
> it
> > absolutely can't.
>
> Now you sound like Rudy with the
> 'absolutes'. Why can't I feel great?

You can't feel 'great' because you are deliberately limiting your thinking
in an irrational way. A person who does that will not be as clear as a
person who doesn't.

> Do you think that's impossible if
> the person is veg*n?

The diet you follow is not really the issue. The issue is whether or not
your mind is open or closed. A person who is racist for example may think
they feel good, but the hate of racism means they are much less happy than
they could be if they were more open-minded. A person who believes veganism
is the path to moral righteousness has a lot in common with the racist.

> Maybe you
> don't want to accept me feeling
> great because that would mean
> your 'help' isn't needed.

You need my help

> > > Are you a guru now too?
> >
> > Yes, to you at this time in our lives, I am.
>
> No you're not.

How do you know that? How do you know when someone has something to teach
you?

> Get it through your head.
> You are not a guru. No one wants your
> 'help'.

I'm not looking for people to "want" my help. I listen to what they say and
I realize that they could benefit from my point of view.

> Haven't you figured that out after
> all the time you've been here?

In article >, "Dutch" >
wrote:

> No one wants fondly held illusions shattered. Occasionally a person will
> allow it to happen, and they are the better for it.

I find this entirely hypocritical. When your illusions of anorexia,
eating disorders and drug use were challenged, you don't seem to have
allowed that to happen.

But then, I think as I wrote to someone else, the need to be right is an
overwhelming phenomena of in our culture. To be wrong is a fate worse
than death.