"rick etter" > wrote in message link.net>...
> "Laurie" > wrote in message
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> > "rick etter" > wrote in message
> > hlink.net...
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> > > > Knock off the bullshit. B12 is available in grasses that are grown in
> > > > a manured environment. That means WHEAT you idiot. It was proven to
> > > > the government of Canada by a researcher. Also B12 was originally
> > > > discovered in Canada in wheat, which just happens to be a grass.
> > > ==========================
> > re> And you have provided your evedence where? When? that's right,
> never!
> > re> What a fool.
>
> I notice you had to snip, wihout annotation, the references I gave to
> support my contention that plants are not reliable sources of B12. Why did
> you do that, lying-larry? Dishonesty, or just plain stupidity? Here, I'll
> add it back for you, killer:
>
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> here's a veg site that will tell you different fool.
> http://www.ivu.org/congress/2002/texts/b12.html
>
> "...Vegan sources of B12
> Claimed sources include:
>
> a.. Tempeh (no effect)
> b.. Nori (adverse effect if dried; neutral effect if raw)
> c.. Spirulina (probable adverse effect)
> d.. Klamath lake algae (no demonstrated or likely effect)
> e.. Barley or wheat grass (no demonstrated or likely effect)
> f.. Gut bacteria (no effect)
> g.. Organic vegetables (no or minimal effect)
> h.. Mushrooms (no or minimal effect)
> i.. Dirt (little effect)
> j.. Warm washed carrots (not a chance)
> k.. Raw vs cooked food (no effect)
> Practical sources include;
>
> a.. Fortified foods
> b.. Supplements ..."
> as an added bonus on this site there is this little tidbit of info:
> "...Overall outcome: lacto-vegetarians, fish-eaters and occasional
> meat-eaters can expect to live about two years longer than vegans. ..."
>
> And remember, this was from a veg site, killer. What a hoot!!!
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>
>
>
> >
> > Evedence? [sic] Maybe you should learn how to spell before making
> > idiotic claims in public?? Who, indeed, is the fool?
> ================
> I see, as usual, you have nothing, so you have to resort to on-line spell
> checker status...
>
>
>
> > Here is evidence of B-12 IN plant material.
> ==============
> Again, not in quantities that will make a difference in your diet.
>
> > =====
> >
> > Mozafar, A.
> > Enrichment of some B-vitamins in plants with application of organic
> > fertilizers.
> > Plant and Soil 167:305-311, 1994.
> > Organic food suppliers often claim that organic foods grown on soils
> with
> > natural fertilizers have a better nutritional value than foods grown with
> > inorganic fertilizers. Although past studies, such as those published by
> > Gray and Daniel in 1959 or by Leclerc and colleagues in 1991, have shown
> > that organically grown produce had more vitamins, it was unclear if the
> > plants synthesized them or got them from the soil. In order to test the
> > origins of vitamins in plants, this researcher selected vitamin B12 for
> > study. This was because plants cannot manufacture it but microorganisms
> can.
> > In addition, large amounts of B12 are found in animal manure, a commonly
> > used organic fertilizer. This study looked at whether plants, specifically
> > soybeans, barley, and spinach, grown on soils amended with pure B12 or B12
> > in manure would have a higher B12 content than plants grown with inorganic
> > fertilizers. All plants contained a minimal amount of B12 in the
> > inorganically fertilized soil. Barley showed a threefold increase of B12
> in
> > the harvested grain in both the pure B12 treatment (10.8 ng/g dry weight)
> > and the manure treatment (9.1 ng/g dry weight). In spinach leaves, B12
> > increased twofold in the manure treatment (17.8 ng/g dry weight) and
> 34-fold
> > in the pure B12 treatment (235 ng/g dry weight). Soybeans had a similar,
> but
> > not as dramatic trend. In addition, soil samples in fields receiving
> manure
> > over several years contained more B12 than those only receiving inorganic
> > fertilizers. These results show that B12 levels can be increased in
> > organically grown food through the use of manure fertilizers. This is good
> > news for vegetarians, who often have trouble getting enough B12 in their
> > diets. It is also good news for consumers who buy organic food because of
> > its better nutritional value. While this preliminary trial does seem to
> > indicate that vitamins can be absorbed from the soil, more studies should
> be
> > done with other vitamins to confirm these observations.
> >
> > =====
> LOL What a hoot. Again, there is no reliable source of b12 from plants.
> Now, if you want to eat several pounds of spinach a day, every day, be my
> quest. Most people, even the loons like you prefer more variety.(hence the
> vast import food production you pay for)
>
>
>
>
> >
> > So, the whole veg*n/B-12 issue is caused by TOXIC CHEMICAL AGRICULTURE
> > which kills the microorganisms in the soil that produce the B-12 that
> > normally would be absorbed into the plants. The simple and inexpensive
> > solution would be supplements, and given the horrifically-poor quality of
> > commercial produce a vigorous supplementation program should be seriously
> > considered by anyone who eats.]
> ==================
> And again, the supplements are not 'vegan' by definition. Animals die to
> manufacture, package, and transport those little pills to your plate,
> killer.
>
> Here's another little gem for you, lying-larry...
> "...more than 23 cups of organically grown spinach would have to be eaten
> every day in order to meet the adult RDA for vitamin B12..."
> http://www.vrg.org/nutrition/b12.htm
>
> Again, this is a veg site, stupid. Not something like your money scam
> parade of idiocy...
>




*ANYBODY* including the animal food industry can put up a "veg" site stupid pEtter.








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> > Laurie
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