"Jahnu" > wrote

> On Mon, 19 Jan 2004 15:42:00 GMT, Jonathan sleaze Balls let go of his
> dick long enough to dribble:
>
> >It does matter, you little ghee-smeared queer. The
> >production of rice is exceptionally lethal to animals.
>
> Are you insane? Do you think the production of rice is in the same
> league when it comes to killing animals as the meat industry who kills
> countless of billions of animals every year in automated slaughter
> houses.

Do you know how many juvenile frogs can exist per square metre in a rice
paddy? One large scale rice farm could easily dwarf the entire worldwide
meat industry.

> You are one deluded, insane madman.

That'd be a self-portrait.

On Fri, 23 Jan 2004 00:45:06 -0800, "Dutch" > wrote:

>Do you know how many juvenile frogs can exist per square metre in a rice
>paddy? One large scale rice farm could easily dwarf the entire worldwide
>meat industry.

And then you woke up, meat-head. Common sense, empathy and the facts
below show you are wrong. Who but a complete retard would compare the
killing of frogs in a rice field with the deliberate mass-murder of
countless of billions of animals in automated slaughterhouses that
take place every year all over the planet?

HOW TO WIN AN ARGUMENT WITH A MEAT EATER

The New York Times, Tuesday, June 20, 1989



The Hunger Argument

Number of people worldwide who will die of starvation this year: 60
million.

Number of people who could be adequately fed with the grain saved if
Americans reduced their intake of meat by 10 perc.: 60 million

Human beings in America: 243 million

Number of people who could be fed with grain and soybeans now eaten by
U.S. livestock: 1.3 billion

Percentage of corn grown in the U.S. eaten by people: 20

Percentage of corn grown in the U.S. eaten by livestock: 80

Percentage of oats grown in the U.S. eaten by livestock: 95

Percentage of protein waste by cycling grain through livestock: 99

How frequently a child starves to death: every 2 seconds

Pounds of potatoes that can be grown on an ac 20.OOO

Pounds of beef produced on an ac 165

Percentage of U.S. farmland devoted to beef production: 56

Pounds of grain and soybeans needed to produce a pound of beef: 16



The Environmental Argument

Cause of global warming: greenhouse effect

Primary cause of greenhouse effect: carbon dioxide emissions from
fossil fuels.

Fossil fuels needed to produce a meat-centered diet vs. a meat-free
diet: 50 times more

Percentage of U.S. topsoil lost to date: 75

Percentage of U.S. topsoil loss directly related to livestock raising:
85

Number of acres of U.S. forest cleared for cropland to produce
meat-centered diet: 260 million

Amount of meat U.S. imports annually from Costa Rica, El Salvador,
Guatemala, Honduras and Panama: 200 million pounds

Average per capita meat consumption in Costa Rica, El Salvador,
Guatemala, Honduras and Panama: less than eaten by average U.S.
housecat.

Area of tropical rainforest consumed in every 1/4 pound hamburger: 55
sq.ft.

Current rate of species extinction due to destruction of tropical
rainforests for meat grazing and other uses: 1.000 per year



The Cancer Argument

Increased risk of breast cancer for women who eat meat 4 times a week
vs. less than once a week: 4 times

For women who eat eggs daily vs. less than once a week: 3 times

Increased risk of fatal ovarian cancer for women who eat eggs 3 or
more times a week vs. less than once a week: 3 times

Increased risk of fatal prostate cancer for men who eat meat daily vs.
sparingly or not at all: 3.6 times



The Natural Resources Argument

Use of more than half of all water used for all purposes in the U.S.:
livestock portion.

Amount of water used in production of the average steer: sufficient to
float a destroyer.

Gallons to produce a pound of wheat: 25

Gallons to produce a pound of meat: 2.500

Cost of common hamburger if water used by meat industry was not
subsidized by the U.S. taxpayer: 35 dollars a pound

Current cost of pound of protein from beefsteak, if water was no
longer subsidized: 89 dollars

Years the world's known oil reserves would last if every human ate a
meat-centered diet: 13

Years they would last if human beings no longer ate meat: 260

Barrels of oil imported into U.S. daily: 6.8 million

Percentage of fossil fuel returned as food energy by most efficient
factory farming of meat: 34.5

Percentage returned from least efficient plant food: 32.8

Percentage of raw materials consumed by U.S. to produce present
meat-centered diet: 33



The Cholesterol Argument

Number of U.S. medical schools: 125

Number requiring a course in nutrition: 30

Nutrition training received by average U.S. physician during four
years in medical school: 25 hours

Most common cause of death in U.S.: heart attack

How frequently a heart attack kills in U.S.: every 45 seconds

Average U.S. man's risk of death from heart attack: 50 perc.

Risk for average U.S. man who avoids the meat-centered diet: 15 perc.

Meat industry claims you should not be concerned about your blood
cholesterol if it is: normal

Your risk of dying of a disease caused by clogged arteries if your
blood cholesterol is ?normal?: over 50 perc.



The Antibiotic Argument

Percentage of U.S. antibiotics fed to livestock: 55

Percentage of staphylococci infections resistant to penicillin in
1960: 13

Percentage resistant in 1988: 91

Response of European Economic Community to routine feeding of
antibiotics to livestock: ban

Response of U.S. meat and pharmaceutical industries to routine feeding
of antibiotics to livestock: full and complete support


The Pesticide Argument

Percentage of pesticide residues in the U.S. diet supplied by grains:
1

Percentage of pesticide residues in the U.S. diet supplied by fruits:
4

Percentage of pesticide residues in the U.S. diet suppl. by dairy
products: 23

Percentage of pesticide residues in the U.S. diet supplied by meat: 55

Pesticide contamination of breast milk from meat-eating mothers vs.
non meat-eating: 35 times higher

What USDA tells us: meat is inspected

Percentage of slaughtered animals inspected for residues of toxin
chemicals including dioxin and DDT: less than 0.00004



The Ethical Argument

Number of animals killed for meat per hour in U.S.: 500.000

Occupation with highest turnover rate in U.S.: slaughterhouse worker

Occupation with highest rate of on-the-job injury in
U.S:slaughterhouse worker

Cost to render animal unconscious with captive bolt pistol before
slaughter.: 1 cent

Reason given by meat industry for non using that pistol: too expensive



The Survival Argument

Athlete to win Ironman Triathlon more than twice: Dave Scott (6 time
winner) Food choices of Dave Scott: Vegetarian

Largest meat eater than ever lived: Tyrannosaurus Rex

Last sighting of Tyrannosaurus Rex: 100.000.000 B.C.


Famous pop stars - vegetarians:
-------------------------------
Candice Bergen, David Bowie, Paul Mc Cartney, Darryl Hannah, Janet
Jackson, k.d.lang, Sting

'I am a great eater of beef, and I believe that does harm to my wit.'
--William Shakespeare "Twelfth Night," Act I, Scene 3

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www.krishna.dk

"Jahnu" > wrote
> On Fri, 23 Jan 2004 00:45:06 -0800, "Dutch" > wrote:
>
> >Do you know how many juvenile frogs can exist per square metre in a rice
> >paddy? One large scale rice farm could easily dwarf the entire worldwide
> >meat industry.
>
> And then you woke up, meat-head. Common sense, empathy and the facts
> below show you are wrong. Who but a complete retard would compare the
> killing of frogs in a rice field with the deliberate mass-murder of
> countless of billions of animals in automated slaughterhouses that
> take place every year all over the planet?
>
> HOW TO WIN AN ARGUMENT WITH A MEAT EATER

The only way to win an argument with me is to use superior reason and logic.
You apparently only know frothing-at-the mouth rhetoric, so you never will
win.

On Tue, 27 Jan 2004 18:21:05 -0800, "Dutch" > wrote:

>
>"Jahnu" > wrote

>> And then you woke up, meat-head. Common sense, empathy and the facts
>> below show you are wrong. Who but a complete retard would compare the
>> killing of frogs in a rice field with the deliberate mass-murder of
>> countless of billions of animals in automated slaughterhouses that
>> take place every year all over the planet?

>The only way to win an argument with me is to use superior reason and logic.
>You apparently only know frothing-at-the mouth rhetoric, so you never will
>win.

I already won. It doesn't matter how much you meat-heads try to
obfuscate the issue. The facts remain that the meat industry is a
cancer on the world, and those who support it will be severely
punished by mother nature.


HOW TO WIN AN ARGUMENT WITH A MEAT EATER

The New York Times, Tuesday, June 20, 1989



The Hunger Argument

Number of people worldwide who will die of starvation this year: 60
million.

Number of people who could be adequately fed with the grain saved if
Americans reduced their intake of meat by 10 perc.: 60 million

Human beings in America: 243 million

Number of people who could be fed with grain and soybeans now eaten by
U.S. livestock: 1.3 billion

Percentage of corn grown in the U.S. eaten by people: 20

Percentage of corn grown in the U.S. eaten by livestock: 80

Percentage of oats grown in the U.S. eaten by livestock: 95

Percentage of protein waste by cycling grain through livestock: 99

How frequently a child starves to death: every 2 seconds

Pounds of potatoes that can be grown on an ac 20.OOO

Pounds of beef produced on an ac 165

Percentage of U.S. farmland devoted to beef production: 56

Pounds of grain and soybeans needed to produce a pound of beef: 16



The Environmental Argument

Cause of global warming: greenhouse effect

Primary cause of greenhouse effect: carbon dioxide emissions from
fossil fuels.

Fossil fuels needed to produce a meat-centered diet vs. a meat-free
diet: 50 times more

Percentage of U.S. topsoil lost to date: 75

Percentage of U.S. topsoil loss directly related to livestock raising:
85

Number of acres of U.S. forest cleared for cropland to produce
meat-centered diet: 260 million

Amount of meat U.S. imports annually from Costa Rica, El Salvador,
Guatemala, Honduras and Panama: 200 million pounds

Average per capita meat consumption in Costa Rica, El Salvador,
Guatemala, Honduras and Panama: less than eaten by average U.S.
housecat.

Area of tropical rainforest consumed in every 1/4 pound hamburger: 55
sq.ft.

Current rate of species extinction due to destruction of tropical
rainforests for meat grazing and other uses: 1.000 per year



The Cancer Argument

Increased risk of breast cancer for women who eat meat 4 times a week
vs. less than once a week: 4 times

For women who eat eggs daily vs. less than once a week: 3 times

Increased risk of fatal ovarian cancer for women who eat eggs 3 or
more times a week vs. less than once a week: 3 times

Increased risk of fatal prostate cancer for men who eat meat daily vs.
sparingly or not at all: 3.6 times



The Natural Resources Argument

Use of more than half of all water used for all purposes in the U.S.:
livestock portion.

Amount of water used in production of the average steer: sufficient to
float a destroyer.

Gallons to produce a pound of wheat: 25

Gallons to produce a pound of meat: 2.500

Cost of common hamburger if water used by meat industry was not
subsidized by the U.S. taxpayer: 35 dollars a pound

Current cost of pound of protein from beefsteak, if water was no
longer subsidized: 89 dollars

Years the world's known oil reserves would last if every human ate a
meat-centered diet: 13

Years they would last if human beings no longer ate meat: 260

Barrels of oil imported into U.S. daily: 6.8 million

Percentage of fossil fuel returned as food energy by most efficient
factory farming of meat: 34.5

Percentage returned from least efficient plant food: 32.8

Percentage of raw materials consumed by U.S. to produce present
meat-centered diet: 33



The Cholesterol Argument

Number of U.S. medical schools: 125

Number requiring a course in nutrition: 30

Nutrition training received by average U.S. physician during four
years in medical school: 25 hours

Most common cause of death in U.S.: heart attack

How frequently a heart attack kills in U.S.: every 45 seconds

Average U.S. man's risk of death from heart attack: 50 perc.

Risk for average U.S. man who avoids the meat-centered diet: 15 perc.

Meat industry claims you should not be concerned about your blood
cholesterol if it is: normal

Your risk of dying of a disease caused by clogged arteries if your
blood cholesterol is ?normal?: over 50 perc.



The Antibiotic Argument

Percentage of U.S. antibiotics fed to livestock: 55

Percentage of staphylococci infections resistant to penicillin in
1960: 13

Percentage resistant in 1988: 91

Response of European Economic Community to routine feeding of
antibiotics to livestock: ban

Response of U.S. meat and pharmaceutical industries to routine feeding
of antibiotics to livestock: full and complete support


The Pesticide Argument

Percentage of pesticide residues in the U.S. diet supplied by grains:
1

Percentage of pesticide residues in the U.S. diet supplied by fruits:
4

Percentage of pesticide residues in the U.S. diet suppl. by dairy
products: 23

Percentage of pesticide residues in the U.S. diet supplied by meat: 55

Pesticide contamination of breast milk from meat-eating mothers vs.
non meat-eating: 35 times higher

What USDA tells us: meat is inspected

Percentage of slaughtered animals inspected for residues of toxin
chemicals including dioxin and DDT: less than 0.00004



The Ethical Argument

Number of animals killed for meat per hour in U.S.: 500.000

Occupation with highest turnover rate in U.S.: slaughterhouse worker

Occupation with highest rate of on-the-job injury in
U.S:slaughterhouse worker

Cost to render animal unconscious with captive bolt pistol before
slaughter.: 1 cent

Reason given by meat industry for non using that pistol: too expensive



The Survival Argument

Athlete to win Ironman Triathlon more than twice: Dave Scott (6 time
winner) Food choices of Dave Scott: Vegetarian

Largest meat eater than ever lived: Tyrannosaurus Rex

Last sighting of Tyrannosaurus Rex: 100.000.000 B.C.


Famous pop stars - vegetarians:
-------------------------------
Candice Bergen, David Bowie, Paul Mc Cartney, Darryl Hannah, Janet
Jackson, k.d.lang, Sting

'I am a great eater of beef, and I believe that does harm to my wit.'
--William Shakespeare "Twelfth Night," Act I, Scene 3

www.krishna.com
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"Jahnu" > wrote in message
...
> On Tue, 27 Jan 2004 18:21:05 -0800, "Dutch" > wrote:
>
> >
> >"Jahnu" > wrote
>
> >> And then you woke up, meat-head. Common sense, empathy and the facts
> >> below show you are wrong. Who but a complete retard would compare the
> >> killing of frogs in a rice field with the deliberate mass-murder of
> >> countless of billions of animals in automated slaughterhouses that
> >> take place every year all over the planet?
>
> >The only way to win an argument with me is to use superior reason and
logic.
> >You apparently only know frothing-at-the mouth rhetoric, so you never
will
> >win.
>
> I already won.

Not possible, you didn't use superior reason or logic.

> It doesn't matter how much you meat-heads try to
> obfuscate the issue.

You don't get to define "the (vegan) issue", which is the use of animals as
food in general, not just the (big-bad) meat industry.

> The facts remain that the meat industry is a
> cancer on the world,

It's like every big industry, in need of reforms.

> and those who support it will be severely
> punished by mother nature.

You've obfuscated the issue, animals can be used for food *without* any
"meat industry" involved, by individuals and small groups (co-ops), and the
result is less animal death and environmental damage than caused by a vegan
who bases their diet on commercially grown plant foods.

Haven't had time to comment recently.
Jahnu wrote:
> HOW TO WIN AN ARGUMENT WITH A MEAT EATER
>
> The New York Times, Tuesday, June 20, 1989
>
> The Hunger Argument
>
> Number of people worldwide who will die of starvation this year: 60
> million.
>
> Number of people who could be adequately fed with the grain saved if
> Americans reduced their intake of meat by 10 perc.: 60 million

Wrong: most if not all the starvation deaths are caused by a political
system out of control. The people are not being allowed to raise the
food to feed their selves or they are having the food stolen from them.
You really need some updated material.

>
> Human beings in America: 243 million
>
> Number of people who could be fed with grain and soybeans now eaten by
> U.S. livestock: 1.3 billion
>
> Percentage of corn grown in the U.S. eaten by people: 20
>
> Percentage of corn grown in the U.S. eaten by livestock: 80
>
> Percentage of oats grown in the U.S. eaten by livestock: 95
>
> Percentage of protein waste by cycling grain through livestock: 99
>
> How frequently a child starves to death: every 2 seconds

The news reports on a Vegan starving their children to death every year
or two. Not enough of the proper nutrients to allow a small child to
thrive and grow. You seem to be referring to those killed by their own
government.

>
> Pounds of potatoes that can be grown on an ac 20.OOO
>
> Pounds of beef produced on an ac 165
>
> Percentage of U.S. farmland devoted to beef production: 56

A lot of that farmland is not fit to raise crops on livestock is one of
the most efficient means of harvesting the grass for human consumption.

>
> Pounds of grain and soybeans needed to produce a pound of beef: 16
>
> The Environmental Argument
>
> Cause of global warming: greenhouse effect
>
> Primary cause of greenhouse effect: carbon dioxide emissions from
> fossil fuels.
>
> Fossil fuels needed to produce a meat-centered diet vs. a meat-free
> diet: 50 times more

Be interested in seeing the proof for this. Nothing that I have found
indicated anything like this.
>
> Percentage of U.S. topsoil lost to date: 75
>
> Percentage of U.S. topsoil loss directly related to livestock raising:
> 85

You are including the topsoil lost in raising plant to feed to the
livestock. The loss would be more not less for increased planting for
people.

>
> Number of acres of U.S. forest cleared for cropland to produce
> meat-centered diet: 260 million

Forest have increased in the U.S. over the last hundred years. Amazing
what you can prove with outdated statistics.

>
> Amount of meat U.S. imports annually from Costa Rica, El Salvador,
> Guatemala, Honduras and Panama: 200 million pounds

Nice that we contribute to their economy.

>
> Average per capita meat consumption in Costa Rica, El Salvador,
> Guatemala, Honduras and Panama: less than eaten by average U.S.
> housecat.

So you believe that should eat more meat?

>
> Area of tropical rainforest consumed in every 1/4 pound hamburger: 55
> sq.ft.

I am unaware of any tropical rain forest consumed in the production of
hamburger. Maybe you mean jungles? Or some renaming, such as are
beloved by revisionist?

>
> Current rate of species extinction due to destruction of tropical
> rainforests for meat grazing and other uses: 1.000 per year

Same question as above.

>
> The Cancer Argument
>
> Increased risk of breast cancer for women who eat meat 4 times a week
> vs. less than once a week: 4 times
>
> For women who eat eggs daily vs. less than once a week: 3 times
>
> Increased risk of fatal ovarian cancer for women who eat eggs 3 or
> more times a week vs. less than once a week: 3 times
>
> Increased risk of fatal prostate cancer for men who eat meat daily vs.
> sparingly or not at all: 3.6 times

Sources for all of the above, please. They do seem out of line with
current research.

>
> The Natural Resources Argument
>
> Use of more than half of all water used for all purposes in the U.S.:
> livestock portion.
>
> Amount of water used in production of the average steer: sufficient to
> float a destroyer.

I do believe that that water is recycled, very little is retained by the
steer. That would be the average 15 year old steer, not the norm for
meat production by about 13 years.

>
> Gallons to produce a pound of wheat: 25
>
> Gallons to produce a pound of meat: 2.500
>
> Cost of common hamburger if water used by meat industry was not
> subsidized by the U.S. taxpayer: 35 dollars a pound
>
> Current cost of pound of protein from beefsteak, if water was no
> longer subsidized: 89 dollars

Show references please, these numbers seem grossly out of line.

>
> Years the world's known oil reserves would last if every human ate a
> meat-centered diet: 13
>
> Years they would last if human beings no longer ate meat: 260

And if there were no human being they would last forever. If you notice
the known reserves tend to hold steady at about 30 years supply.

>
> Barrels of oil imported into U.S. daily: 6.8 million
>
> Percentage of fossil fuel returned as food energy by most efficient
> factory farming of meat: 34.5
>
> Percentage returned from least efficient plant food: 32.8
>
> Percentage of raw materials consumed by U.S. to produce present
> meat-centered diet: 33
>
> The Cholesterol Argument
>
> Number of U.S. medical schools: 125
>
> Number requiring a course in nutrition: 30
>
> Nutrition training received by average U.S. physician during four
> years in medical school: 25 hours
>
> Most common cause of death in U.S.: heart attack
>
> How frequently a heart attack kills in U.S.: every 45 seconds
>
> Average U.S. man's risk of death from heart attack: 50 perc.
>
> Risk for average U.S. man who avoids the meat-centered diet: 15 perc.
>
> Meat industry claims you should not be concerned about your blood
> cholesterol if it is: normal
>
> Your risk of dying of a disease caused by clogged arteries if your
> blood cholesterol is ?normal?: over 50 perc.
>
> The Antibiotic Argument
>
> Percentage of U.S. antibiotics fed to livestock: 55
>
> Percentage of staphylococci infections resistant to penicillin in
> 1960: 13
>
> Percentage resistant in 1988: 91
>
> Response of European Economic Community to routine feeding of
> antibiotics to livestock: ban
>
> Response of U.S. meat and pharmaceutical industries to routine feeding
> of antibiotics to livestock: full and complete support
>
> The Pesticide Argument
>
> Percentage of pesticide residues in the U.S. diet supplied by grains:
> 1
>
> Percentage of pesticide residues in the U.S. diet supplied by fruits:
> 4
>
> Percentage of pesticide residues in the U.S. diet suppl. by dairy
> products: 23
>
> Percentage of pesticide residues in the U.S. diet supplied by meat: 55
>
> Pesticide contamination of breast milk from meat-eating mothers vs.
> non meat-eating: 35 times higher
>
> What USDA tells us: meat is inspected
>
> Percentage of slaughtered animals inspected for residues of toxin
> chemicals including dioxin and DDT: less than 0.00004
>
> The Ethical Argument
>
> Number of animals killed for meat per hour in U.S.: 500.000
>
> Occupation with highest turnover rate in U.S.: slaughterhouse worker
>
> Occupation with highest rate of on-the-job injury in
> U.S:slaughterhouse worker
>
> Cost to render animal unconscious with captive bolt pistol before
> slaughter.: 1 cent
>
> Reason given by meat industry for non using that pistol: too expensive
>
> The Survival Argument
>
> Athlete to win Ironman Triathlon more than twice: Dave Scott (6 time
> winner) Food choices of Dave Scott: Vegetarian
>
> Largest meat eater than ever lived: Tyrannosaurus Rex
>
> Last sighting of Tyrannosaurus Rex: 100.000.000 B.C.
>
> Famous pop stars - vegetarians:
> -------------------------------
> Candice Bergen, David Bowie, Paul Mc Cartney, Darryl Hannah, Janet
> Jackson, k.d.lang, Sting

Sounds like a good argument against vegetarianism, you should probably
add that great liberal politician Adolph Hitler to your list.

>
> 'I am a great eater of beef, and I believe that does harm to my wit.'
> --William Shakespeare "Twelfth Night," Act I, Scene 3
>
> www.krishna.com
> www.iskcon.org
> www.krishna.dk

On Thu, 29 Jan 2004 06:10:02 GMT, Bob Yates >
wrote:

<snip>

>Sounds like a good argument against vegetarianism, you should probably
>add that great liberal politician Adolph Hitler to your list.

Right, then you can Stalin and Atila the Hun to yours.

It doesn't matter how much you meat-heads whine and whimper and try to
obfuscate the facts and divert the attention from your evil ways by
lame, brain dead comparisons, ad hominems, and down right lies, the
facts remain that the meat industry is one of the great bastions of
evil on this planet.

HOW TO WIN AN ARGUMENT WITH A MEAT EATER

The New York Times, Tuesday, June 20, 1989



The Hunger Argument

Number of people worldwide who will die of starvation this year: 60
million.

Number of people who could be adequately fed with the grain saved if
Americans reduced their intake of meat by 10 perc.: 60 million

Human beings in America: 243 million

Number of people who could be fed with grain and soybeans now eaten by
U.S. livestock: 1.3 billion

Percentage of corn grown in the U.S. eaten by people: 20

Percentage of corn grown in the U.S. eaten by livestock: 80

Percentage of oats grown in the U.S. eaten by livestock: 95

Percentage of protein waste by cycling grain through livestock: 99

How frequently a child starves to death: every 2 seconds

Pounds of potatoes that can be grown on an ac 20.OOO

Pounds of beef produced on an ac 165

Percentage of U.S. farmland devoted to beef production: 56

Pounds of grain and soybeans needed to produce a pound of beef: 16



The Environmental Argument

Cause of global warming: greenhouse effect

Primary cause of greenhouse effect: carbon dioxide emissions from
fossil fuels.

Fossil fuels needed to produce a meat-centered diet vs. a meat-free
diet: 50 times more

Percentage of U.S. topsoil lost to date: 75

Percentage of U.S. topsoil loss directly related to livestock raising:
85

Number of acres of U.S. forest cleared for cropland to produce
meat-centered diet: 260 million

Amount of meat U.S. imports annually from Costa Rica, El Salvador,
Guatemala, Honduras and Panama: 200 million pounds

Average per capita meat consumption in Costa Rica, El Salvador,
Guatemala, Honduras and Panama: less than eaten by average U.S.
housecat.

Area of tropical rainforest consumed in every 1/4 pound hamburger: 55
sq.ft.

Current rate of species extinction due to destruction of tropical
rainforests for meat grazing and other uses: 1.000 per year



The Cancer Argument

Increased risk of breast cancer for women who eat meat 4 times a week
vs. less than once a week: 4 times

For women who eat eggs daily vs. less than once a week: 3 times

Increased risk of fatal ovarian cancer for women who eat eggs 3 or
more times a week vs. less than once a week: 3 times

Increased risk of fatal prostate cancer for men who eat meat daily vs.
sparingly or not at all: 3.6 times



The Natural Resources Argument

Use of more than half of all water used for all purposes in the U.S.:
livestock portion.

Amount of water used in production of the average steer: sufficient to
float a destroyer.

Gallons to produce a pound of wheat: 25

Gallons to produce a pound of meat: 2.500

Cost of common hamburger if water used by meat industry was not
subsidized by the U.S. taxpayer: 35 dollars a pound

Current cost of pound of protein from beefsteak, if water was no
longer subsidized: 89 dollars

Years the world's known oil reserves would last if every human ate a
meat-centered diet: 13

Years they would last if human beings no longer ate meat: 260

Barrels of oil imported into U.S. daily: 6.8 million

Percentage of fossil fuel returned as food energy by most efficient
factory farming of meat: 34.5

Percentage returned from least efficient plant food: 32.8

Percentage of raw materials consumed by U.S. to produce present
meat-centered diet: 33



The Cholesterol Argument

Number of U.S. medical schools: 125

Number requiring a course in nutrition: 30

Nutrition training received by average U.S. physician during four
years in medical school: 25 hours

Most common cause of death in U.S.: heart attack

How frequently a heart attack kills in U.S.: every 45 seconds

Average U.S. man's risk of death from heart attack: 50 perc.

Risk for average U.S. man who avoids the meat-centered diet: 15 perc.

Meat industry claims you should not be concerned about your blood
cholesterol if it is: normal

Your risk of dying of a disease caused by clogged arteries if your
blood cholesterol is ?normal?: over 50 perc.



The Antibiotic Argument

Percentage of U.S. antibiotics fed to livestock: 55

Percentage of staphylococci infections resistant to penicillin in
1960: 13

Percentage resistant in 1988: 91

Response of European Economic Community to routine feeding of
antibiotics to livestock: ban

Response of U.S. meat and pharmaceutical industries to routine feeding
of antibiotics to livestock: full and complete support


The Pesticide Argument

Percentage of pesticide residues in the U.S. diet supplied by grains:
1

Percentage of pesticide residues in the U.S. diet supplied by fruits:
4

Percentage of pesticide residues in the U.S. diet suppl. by dairy
products: 23

Percentage of pesticide residues in the U.S. diet supplied by meat: 55

Pesticide contamination of breast milk from meat-eating mothers vs.
non meat-eating: 35 times higher

What USDA tells us: meat is inspected

Percentage of slaughtered animals inspected for residues of toxin
chemicals including dioxin and DDT: less than 0.00004



The Ethical Argument

Number of animals killed for meat per hour in U.S.: 500.000

Occupation with highest turnover rate in U.S.: slaughterhouse worker

Occupation with highest rate of on-the-job injury in
U.S:slaughterhouse worker

Cost to render animal unconscious with captive bolt pistol before
slaughter.: 1 cent

Reason given by meat industry for non using that pistol: too expensive



The Survival Argument

Athlete to win Ironman Triathlon more than twice: Dave Scott (6 time
winner) Food choices of Dave Scott: Vegetarian

Largest meat eater than ever lived: Tyrannosaurus Rex

Last sighting of Tyrannosaurus Rex: 100.000.000 B.C.


Famous pop stars - vegetarians:
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Candice Bergen, David Bowie, Paul Mc Cartney, Darryl Hannah, Janet
Jackson, k.d.lang, Sting

'I am a great eater of beef, and I believe that does harm to my wit.'
--William Shakespeare "Twelfth Night," Act I, Scene 3



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"Jahnu" > wrote

> HOW TO WIN AN ARGUMENT WITH A MEAT EATER

The broken record is only one technique used to win arguments, but it's one
of the most mindless.

Jahnu wrote:
>
> On Thu, 29 Jan 2004 06:10:02 GMT, Bob Yates >
> wrote:
>
> <snip>
>
> >Sounds like a good argument against vegetarianism, you should probably
> >add that great liberal politician Adolph Hitler to your list.
>
> Right, then you can Stalin and Atila the Hun to yours.
>
> It doesn't matter how much you meat-heads whine and whimper and try to
> obfuscate the facts and divert the attention from your evil ways by
> lame, brain dead comparisons, ad hominems, and down right lies, the
> facts remain that the meat industry is one of the great bastions of
> evil on this planet.
>

No problems with Atilla, sounds like a great man and a great leader.
Stalin sounds like a typical liberal, great mustache though.

Since you choose not to answer any other arguments and launched a
personal attack on me, it is obvious that you have conceded defeat and
acknowledged meat eating as a valid choice.