FYI...

(start at the bottom and work up)

From:
To:
Subject: PCRM & PETA Let Us Down...
Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2008 16:26:36 +0000

Hello.

As a friend of the vegan and vegetarian movements, I'm sure you were
as shocked as I was by the curious lack of response to the
"vegetarians have small brains" nonsense-story. A story that,
unbelievably, is still floating around out there (based on when I'm
still getting from my Google News search-bots). The time for high-
visibility organizations like PETA and PCRM to act was weeks ago. In
the chain below, I kind of let PETA off the hook based on their
initial response. But clearly they could have been more vocal as well.
WAY more vocal. And when I say "more" I mean they could have some
something - ANYTHING - in the form of a press release or something.
But no. There was nothing. Except ONE SINGLE "letter to the editor" in
a paper in India. INDIA?! Yes, India. LOL!!!

I mean, c'mon, why wouldn't at least one of them have taken to the
center of the world's media stage and offered a response to the
seriously flawed misuse of statistics that was at the core of the
story? It's baffling. Truly baffling. And very sad. If not one of
these two groups, THEN WHO? Yes, it sucks.

If I ever do hear from PCRM in response to what I've written below, I
will let you know. But quite frankly, it's not looking good.

Bests,
Jim

p.s. --- Actually, I'm blind copying my contacts from PETA and PCRM
onto the distro for this - so if I hear back from ANY of them, I will
let you know.


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From:
To: ; ; ;

CC:
Subject: *** SHAME ON PCRM FOR NOT RESPONDING!!! *** Please
Address the SMALL BRAINS stories!!!
Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2008 16:11:11 +0000

PCRM -

It's really hard to imagine a good reason why you haven't replied. I
can imagine lots of stupid reasons. And lots of reasons that sound
like lies. But I cannot imagine any GOOD and REAL and TRUE reasons. I
am grateful that I heard back from PETA and clearly they provided you
with some "ammo" to help rebuke this NONSENSE-STORY about vegetarians
and their tiny brains. I call it a nonsense story and maybe you do too
(at least I hope you do). But there are millions of others out there
who stupidly said "I told you so" upon hearing that story. And when we
ignore their ignorance and let them to continue to feel vindicated
( their anti-vegetarian and anti-vegan sentiments), we do a
disservice to the entire movement.

I was a contributor to PCRM during most of the past 15 years (across
different addresses in NJ, AZ, FL, and KS). I enjoy contributing to
groups that champion causes that are important to me, but I will have
to think long and hard about whether giving money to you folks makes
any sense. So for right now, my membership can lapse. I mean, for
cryin' out loud: WHEN IN THE LAST 15 YEARS HAS THERE BEEN AN ANTI-
VEGETARIAN GLOBALLY-DISTRIBUTED STORY SO IN NEED OF CORRECTION???
Answer: to the best of my knowledge, there hasn't been. Ever.

You totally dropped the ball on this one. And not answering my emails
only adds insult to injury.

Seeya,
Jim Ward-Nichols (former PCRM member)

(sent to the ksullivan address based on out-of-office reflector from
the 9/29 mail - sent ksullivan the 9/29 mail on 9/29 later on that
day)

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From:
To: ; ;
CC:
Subject: Please Address the SMALL BRAINS stories!!!
Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2008 16:32:25 +0000

To whom it may concern at PCRM -

I've been a contributor to both PETA and PCRM for many years and was
concerned that neither of you properly addressed the "small brains"
story (a story so chocked full of inaccuracies and misinformation that
it was hard to understand why it got the coverage it got - other than
the fact that the mainstream media still likes to poke fun at animal
rights and vegetarianism/veganism and will do so any time it gets the
chance).

Can you please tell me how PCRM addressed this?

Thanks,
Jim Ward-Nichols
(Vegetarian Since 1985 and Vegan Since 1993)

p.s. --- I have copied the PCRM media rep on this but haven't heard
back anything yet. I expected to hear something in the mainstream
media that would speak out against the outrageous LIES that dove-
tailed off the original story. But, alas, we appeared silent on this.
I at least expected to find a press release that addressed it. Quite
frankly, the time to speak out against this ridiculous story has come
and gone. Perhaps this can be a lesson? Perhaps next time something
like this happens we can be more vocal? I sure hope so...

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Subject: Please Address the SMALL BRAINS stories!!!
Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2008 11:12:15 -0400
From:
To:

Dear Mr. Ward-Nichols,

Thank you for your reply and request.

I have attached a draft of the letter, which was for a paper in India
(I do not have the paper's information available). As I mentioned
previously, we did the majority of correspondence with PCRM as they
had more in-depth information on why these studies are misleading.

Again, thank you for your reply.

Best regards,

Carrie Edwards
PETA Foundation

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From: J. Ward-Nichols ]
Sent: Friday, September 26, 2008 3:14 PM
To: Carrie Edwards
Subject: Please Address the SMALL BRAINS stories!!!

Can I get a copy of that letter or can you tell me where to find it?

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Subject: Please Address the SMALL BRAINS stories!!!
Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2008 13:32:29 -0400
From:
To:

Dear Mr. Ward-Nichols,

Thank you for your reply.

We wrote at least one letter to the editor in response to one such
article. However, primarily our staff corresponded with PCRM on this
issue to get letters out when we saw these articles in US newspapers,
etc.

Thank you again for your reply and interest in this issue.

Best regards,
Carrie Edwards
PETA Foundation

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From: J. Ward-Nichols ]
Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2008 7:25 PM
To: Carrie Edwards
Cc:
Subject: Please Address the SMALL BRAINS stories!!!

The content you've added beyond the first sentence falls into the
"preaching to the choir" category. I've been a vegetarian since 1985
and a vegan since 1993 and am quite healthy. I do my best to combat
disinformation in my local circle. Sorry if I didn't make that clear.
I'm asking you (PETA and PCRM) what you (PETA and PCRM) are going to
do - on a much broader scale - to combat all the bullsh*t that's been
floating around for the past 2 weeks ( vegetarians and vegan have
smaller brains). If you've already addressed this in the media please
tell me where to find our response.

Thanks!

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Subject: Please Address the SMALL BRAINS stories!!!
Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2008 12:47:48 -0400
From:
To:

Dear Mr. Ward-Nichols,

Thank you for contacting us with your concerns regarding the below
stories. They have been passed on to the appropriate staff here for
review.

As you know, a vegetarian diet with a healthy variety of food will
more than adequately meet our nutritional needs. The American Dietetic
Association and Dietitians of Canada’s joint position paper on
vegetarianism asserts, “Vegetarian diets offer a number of nutritional
benefits, including lower levels of saturated fat, cholesterol, and
animal protein as well as higher levels of carbohydrates, fiber,
magnesium, potassium, folate, and antioxidants such as vitamins C and
E and phytochemicals.”

Dr. William Castelli, the director of the Framingham Heart Study, the
longest-running epidemiological study in medical history, reports:
“[V]egetarians have the best diet. They have the lowest rates of
coronary disease of any group in the country. … [T]hey have a fraction
of our heart attack rate, and they have only 40 percent of our cancer
rate. They outlive us. On the average, they outlive other men by about
six years now.”

Below are some links that will provide you with additional information
about the health benefits of vegetarian and vegan diets:

http://www.PETA.org/about/faq-veg.asp
http://www.pcrm.org/health/veginfo/index.html
http://www.vrg.org/nutrition/b12.htm
http://www.GoVeg.com/veganism.asp
http://www.DumpDairy.com/more.html

You can help by writing letters to the editors of local newspapers and
magazines, explaining the many benefits of vegetarianism. For letter-
writing tips, please go to http://www.PETA.org/actioncent.....guide.asp.
For information to include in your letters, please visit
http://www.goveg.com/optimal_vegan_nutrition.asp

Thank you again for your email and all you do for animals!

Best regards,
Carrie Edwards
PETA Foundation

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-----Original Message-----
From: J. Ward-Nichols ]
Sent: Sunday, September 21, 2008 10:00 AM
To: media info;
Subject: Please Address the SMALL BRAINS stories!!!

It might be a little bit late and we might want to simply let this
nonsense fade into the background but REALLY - this has got to be one
of the faultiest conclusions the SHILLS for Beef and Dairy have ever
reached. Ever. It's laughable, but millions actually believe it to be
true.

What is/was the response? I looked at both sites media centers and
recent press releases but didn't see anything. Maybe I missed it?
Please advise.

Thank you for your time.

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Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 05:36:30 -0700
Subject: Google Alert - vegetarian b12
From:
To:

Google News Alert for: vegetarian b12

Being Vegetarian Shrinks Brain
NewsMax.com - West Palm Beach,FL,USA
Vegetarians are more likely than meat-eaters to be deficient in
vitamin B12, which is mainly found in meats, and a B12 deficiency is
known to cause anemia ...
See all stories on this topic

How to Make Sure Your Vegetarian Child Eats Right
RedOrbit - Dallas,TX,USA
.... some breakfast cereals and supplements can help provide calcium
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See all stories on this topic

Meat-Free Diets May Be Bad For The Brain
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eAT mORE cOWS!

eSPECIALLY vEGAN cOWS!!!

wrote in
:

> FYI...
>
> (start at the bottom and work up)
>
That's exactly how I ignored it.

--
http://feitctaj.blogspot.com

Just wait until the dead babies start marching. Then you'll be eating your
words.

hunched over a computer, typing
feverishly;
Thunder crashed, laughed madly, then
wrote:

>(start at the bottom and work up)

no.


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Doktor Dark wrote:

> On either side of the anus of the dox is situated an anal gland, which
> secretes a lubricant that better enables the dox to expel the contents
> of the rectum. These glands are subject to being clogged, and in them
> accumulates a fetid mass.

That is the very worst wedding toast I have ever heard.

- HellPope Huey

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Rudy Canoza hunched over a computer, typing feverishly;
Thunder crashed, Rudy Canoza laughed madly, then wrote:

wrote:
>> FYI...
>>
>> (start at the bottom and work up)
>
>Let's delete most of the effete outrage and get to the real issue.
>
>
>> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: J. Ward-Nichols ]
>> Sent: Sunday, September 21, 2008 10:00 AM
>> To: media info;
>> Subject: Please Address the SMALL BRAINS stories!!!
>>
>> It might be a little bit late and we might want to simply let this
>> nonsense fade into the background but REALLY - this has got to be one
>> of the faultiest conclusions the SHILLS for Beef and Dairy have ever
>> reached. Ever. It's laughable, but millions actually believe it to be
>> true.
>
>"J. Ward-Nichols" undoubtedly is not competent to say if the conclusions
>are "faulty" or not. She just doesn't like the conclusions.

Well I don't know how you could think Ward-Nichols is anything but
competent and level-headed. Here is a good example, his page
describing how the fact that he sees the numbers "1 - 1 - 1"
everywhere he goes shoes that he is a prophet or something:

http://www.the111experience.org/index_01112008.html

(thus the "111" in his email address, it's a magical ward I guess)

I can't make heads or tails of the page, so either he is a nut, or I
am an idiot.

I'll let you read the page and decide yourself whether you and I are
both idiots, or he is a nut.



If you start at

1965 - The Beginning

and read down to 1980, you can see that no fewer than FOUR TIMES, over
a fifteen year interval, patterns of three number "1" appeared in his
life. FOUR TIMES, in just fifteen years! HOW COULD THAT POSSIBLY BE,
IF NOT BY MAGIC?

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"MY LIFE IS NOT A CRITIQUE OF YOUR LIFE" - NENSLO

:: Currently listening to Shine On You Crazy Diamond (Parts VI - VII - VIII - IX), 1975, by Pink Floyd, from "Wish You Were Here (Remaster)"

> wrote
FYI...

(start at the bottom and work up)

From:
To:
Subject: PCRM & PETA Let Us Down...

PCRM is an oxymoron. Responsible medicine necessarily implies that the best
interests of the patient are first and foremost. PCRM, as a front for PeTA
and animal rights is ideologically incapable of placing the best interests
of patients first.

"Dutch" > wrote in message ...
>
> > wrote
> FYI...
>
> (start at the bottom and work up)
>
> From:
> To:
> Subject: PCRM & PETA Let Us Down...
>
> PCRM is an oxymoron. Responsible medicine necessarily implies that the best
> interests of the patient are first and foremost. PCRM, as a front for PeTA
> and animal rights is ideologically incapable of placing the best interests
> of patients first.

'Founded in 1985, the Physicians Committee for Responsible Medicine
is a nonprofit health organization that promotes preventive medicine,
especially good nutrition. PCRM also conducts clinical research studies,
opposes unethical human experimentation, and promotes alternatives to
animal research.
...'
http://www.pcrm.org/news/release080708.html

'Since it is impossible to tell which animal species, if any, will correctly
predict human responses, there is the constant risk of misleading
predictions. Far more could be achieved, and without harm to animals,
by concentrating methods of direct relevance to people. These methods
include human population studies (known scientifically as epidemiology),
clinical investigation of people who are ill or who have died, observations
of healthy volunteers, and test-tube experiments with human tissues.
Such tissues can be obtained from therapeutic surgery, biopsies and
postmortem specimens.
....'
http://aerzte-gegen-tierversuche.de/...ion=100&Lang=e
n&qstring=.

On Sat, 04 Oct 2008 Goo was actually honest about something for
a strange change:

wrote:
>> FYI...
>>
>> (start at the bottom and work up)
>
>Let's delete most of the effete outrage and get to the real issue.
>
>
>> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: J. Ward-Nichols ]
>> Sent: Sunday, September 21, 2008 10:00 AM
>> To: media info;
>> Subject: Please Address the SMALL BRAINS stories!!!
>>
>> It might be a little bit late and we might want to simply let this
>> nonsense fade into the background but REALLY - this has got to be one
>> of the faultiest conclusions the SHILLS for Beef and Dairy have ever
>> reached. Ever. It's laughable, but millions actually believe it to be
>> true.
>
>"J. Ward-Nichols" undoubtedly is not competent to say if the conclusions
>are "faulty" or not. She just doesn't like the conclusions.

That's an unusually high percentage of truth coming from
you Goo. Did it hurt?

On Sat, 04 Oct 2008 13:33:01 -0700, Zapanaz <http://joecosby.com/code/mail.pl> wrote:

>The Goober hunched over a computer, typing feverishly;
>Thunder crashed, Goobernicus Gonad laughed madly,
>then wrote:
>
wrote:
>>> FYI...
>>>
>>> (start at the bottom and work up)
>>
>>Let's delete most of the effete outrage and get to the real issue.
>>
>>
>>> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: J. Ward-Nichols ]
>>> Sent: Sunday, September 21, 2008 10:00 AM
>>> To: media info;
>>> Subject: Please Address the SMALL BRAINS stories!!!
>>>
>>> It might be a little bit late and we might want to simply let this
>>> nonsense fade into the background but REALLY - this has got to be one
>>> of the faultiest conclusions the SHILLS for Beef and Dairy have ever
>>> reached. Ever. It's laughable, but millions actually believe it to be
>>> true.
>>
>>"J. Ward-Nichols" undoubtedly is not competent to say if the conclusions
>>are "faulty" or not. She just doesn't like the conclusions.
>
>Well I don't know how you could think Ward-Nichols is anything but
>competent and level-headed. Here is a good example, his page
>describing how the fact that he sees the numbers "1 - 1 - 1"
>everywhere he goes shoes that he is a prophet or something:
>
>http://www.the111experience.org/index_01112008.html
>
>(thus the "111" in his email address, it's a magical ward I guess)
>
>I can't make heads or tails of the page, so either he is a nut, or I
>am an idiot.
>
>I'll let you read the page and decide yourself whether you and I are
>both idiots, or he is a nut.

Don't be so quick to jump in bed with Goo, even if he is
right about something and even more rarely honest about
something for a change. You might want to consider some
Goobal idiocies before you join the Goo Crew:

"it is not "better" that the animal exist, no matter
its quality of live" - Goo

"It is not "better" in any moral way, and not in *any* way
at all to the animal itself, that the animal exists." - Goo

"Life is not a gain because there *was* no person to
experience the gain" - Goo

"coming into existence didn't make me better off than
I was" - Goo

"When the entity moves from "pre-existence" into the
existence we know, we don't know if that move improves
its welfare" - Goo

"Animals do not have a sense of insult." - Goo

"Dogs NEVER anticipate, nor do cats, or cattle, or
any other animal you've ever encountered." - Goo

"Animals do not experience frustration." - Goo

"No zygotes, animals, people, or any other living thing
benefits from coming into existence. No farm animals
benefit from farming." - Goo

"Being born is not a benefit in any way. It can't be." - Goo

"Animals cannot be or feel disappointed." - Goo

"Non human animals experience neither pride nor
disappointment. They don't have the mental ability
to feel either." - Goo

"Darwin, a sentimental person, was projecting. He
saw something that wasn't there. He was, in a way,
hallucinating." - Goo

"Anticipation requires language." - Goo

"No animals anticipate." - Goo

"Dogs, cats, cattle, almost all animals "lower" than
the great apes have no sense of self." - Goo

"They are not aware that they can see. " - Goo

"They are *not* aware that they can smell." - Goo
__________________________________________________ _______
Ron asked:
>So you are telling us that the cow was purposely bred into existance
>and fed and watered for 12 years only to be sold at the lowest price in
>the beef industry......and all that done with the singular purpose of
>supplying the pet food industry?

Goo replied:
Yes.
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__________________________________________________ _______
Ron pointed out:
>You also said cows are raised for 12 years specifically to become
>PET FOOD.

Goo replied:
Some are.
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__________________________________________________ _______
>>> The main thing to consider in both of course is the life
>>> which is experienced
>>
>> No.
>
> LOL! So what do you think is, Goo?

Not "the life which is experienced"
¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯ ¯¯¯¯¯¯¯

On Sun, 5 Oct 2008 12:29:54 +0100, "pearl" > wrote:

>"Dutch" > wrote in message ...
>>
>> > wrote
>> FYI...
>>
>> (start at the bottom and work up)
>>
>> From:
>> To:
>> Subject: PCRM & PETA Let Us Down...
>>
>> PCRM is an oxymoron. Responsible medicine necessarily implies that the best
>> interests of the patient are first and foremost. PCRM, as a front for PeTA
>> and animal rights is ideologically incapable of placing the best interests
>> of patients first.
>
>'Founded in 1985, the Physicians Committee for Responsible Medicine
>is a nonprofit health organization that promotes preventive medicine,
>especially good nutrition. PCRM also conducts clinical research studies,
>opposes unethical human experimentation, and promotes alternatives to
>animal research.
__________________________________________________ _______
If scientists could replace animal research and testing
with methods which did not need to use animals then
they would.

There are several reasons for this:

* Scientists do not like or want to use animals in research.
Like the vast majority of people they do not want to see animals
suffer unnecessarily. In fact less than 10% of biomedical research
uses animals. Unfortunately for much of the work involved in
biomedical research there are as yet no working alternative
techniques that would allow us to stop using animals.

* Biomedical research is producing thousands of new compounds,
which may have potential as new drugs. It is much more efficient to
screen these compounds using rapid non-animal techniques to test
their effectiveness and toxicity.

* The very high standards of animal welfare and care required of
British research establishments are a contributory factor in making
animal research very expensive. If scientists can develop alternatives
to using animals it will allow them to divert their limited research funds
to other areas of research.
[...]
http://www.bret.org.uk/noan.htm
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__________________________________________________ _______
[...]
From the bald eagle to the red wolf, biomedical research has
helped bring many species back from the brink of extinction.
Conservation and captive breeding programs, often using
fertilization techniques developed for humans, have made it
possible for these animals to be reintroduced into the wild, and
today their numbers are growing. Biologists and wildlife
veterinarians rely on the latest research in reproduction, nutrition,
toxicology and medicine to build a better future for our wild
animals.

In vitro fertilization, sperm banks and artificial insemination were
all developed to help human couples, but today they also are
regularly used to ensure the survival of endangered species.
[...]

http://fbresearch.org/helpingwildlife.html
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dh@. hunched over a computer, typing feverishly;
Thunder crashed, dh@. laughed madly, then wrote:

> Don't be so quick to jump in bed with Goo, even if he is
>right about something and even more rarely honest about
>something for a change. You might want to consider some
>Goobal idiocies before you join the Goo Crew:


I haven't got the foggiest idea what the **** you are talking about.

Are you trying to tell me that you don't like the person I am replying
to because of some long-standing difference with him you have?

I couldn't possibly care less.

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Customer Support Specialist
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On Sun, 05 Oct 2008 14:31:42 -0700, Zapanaz <http://joecosby.com/code/mail.pl> wrote:

>On Sun, 05 Oct 2008 15:50:00 -0200, dh@. warned Zapanaz:
>
>>On Sat, 04 Oct 2008 13:33:01 -0700, Zapanaz <http://joecosby.com/code/mail.pl> wrote:
>>
>>>I'll let you read the page and decide yourself whether you and I are
>>>both idiots, or he is a nut.
>>
>> Don't be so quick to jump in bed with Goo, even if he is
>>right about something and even more rarely honest about
>>something for a change. You might want to consider some
>>Goobal idiocies before you join the Goo Crew:
>>
>>"it is not "better" that the animal exist, no matter
>>its quality of live" - Goo
>>
>>"It is not "better" in any moral way, and not in *any* way
>>at all to the animal itself, that the animal exists." - Goo
>>
>>"Life is not a gain because there *was* no person to
>>experience the gain" - Goo
>>
>>"coming into existence didn't make me better off than
>>I was" - Goo
>>
>>"When the entity moves from "pre-existence" into the
>>existence we know, we don't know if that move improves
>>its welfare" - Goo
>>
>>"Animals do not have a sense of insult." - Goo
>>
>>"Dogs NEVER anticipate, nor do cats, or cattle, or
>>any other animal you've ever encountered." - Goo
>>
>>"Animals do not experience frustration." - Goo
>>
>>"No zygotes, animals, people, or any other living thing
>>benefits from coming into existence. No farm animals
>>benefit from farming." - Goo
>>
>>"Being born is not a benefit in any way. It can't be." - Goo
>>
>>"Animals cannot be or feel disappointed." - Goo
>>
>>"Non human animals experience neither pride nor
>>disappointment. They don't have the mental ability
>>to feel either." - Goo
>>
>>"Darwin, a sentimental person, was projecting. He
>>saw something that wasn't there. He was, in a way,
>>hallucinating." - Goo
>>
>>"Anticipation requires language." - Goo
>>
>>"No animals anticipate." - Goo
>>
>>"Dogs, cats, cattle, almost all animals "lower" than
>>the great apes have no sense of self." - Goo
>>
>>"They are not aware that they can see. " - Goo
>>
>>"They are *not* aware that they can smell." - Goo
>>________________________________________________ _________
>>Ron asked:
>>>So you are telling us that the cow was purposely bred into existance
>>>and fed and watered for 12 years only to be sold at the lowest price in
>>>the beef industry......and all that done with the singular purpose of
>>>supplying the pet food industry?
>>
>>Goo replied:
>>Yes.
>>¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯ ¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯
>>________________________________________________ _________
>>Ron pointed out:
>>>You also said cows are raised for 12 years specifically to become
>>>PET FOOD.
>>
>>Goo replied:
>>Some are.
>>¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯ ¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯
>>________________________________________________ _________
>>>>> The main thing to consider in both of course is the life
>>>>> which is experienced
>>>>
>>>> No.
>>>
>>> LOL! So what do you think is, Goo?
>>
>>Not "the life which is experienced"
>>¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯ ¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯

>I haven't got the foggiest idea what the **** you are talking about.

The above are all examples of Goo's idiocy. Maybe you agree
with him about all of it, in which case it won't seem like the idiocy
it is to you, but instead might even seem intelligent to you.

>Are you trying to tell me that you don't like the person I am replying
>to because of some long-standing difference with him you have?
>
>I couldn't possibly care less.

Those are examples of idiotic claims he has made and idiotic
things he believes. If you agree with him about all of them then
they won't seem like idiocy to you. If you don't agree with him
about all of them then those you disagree with will seem like
idiocy to you if you disagree with them strongly enough. If for
example you only kind of sort of disagree a little bit with the
idiotic claim that: "Anticipation requires language", then you
won't be able to appreciate how idiotic the idea is but you
still should get a slight nagging suspicion that there's something
wrong with the claim. You won't be able to figure out for yourself
details like the fact that if it were true animals who have to hunt
to survive would starve to death, but you would still suspect that
something doesn't quite make sense about Goo's claim even
though you can't figure out exactly what it is. It's the same for
every one of them, so to see if you really do want to join up with
Team Goober or not, read the collection of his idiotic claims again
and see if you agree with all of them. If so, then you know you
belong with Goo and you two will do nasty things together like all
of his buddies end up doing. If not then you may want to get out
of his bed quickly before he can seduce you any further. Keep in
mind that the Goober lured you into it by pretending to be opposed
to the gross misnomer "animal rights", but that is just a dishonest
trick Goo regularly tries to make use of. Remember one of the
examples above showed us the truth is Goo is a most maniacally
dedicated supporter of the misnomer, taking their concept:

"one MUST conclude that not raising them in the first place is
the ethically superior choice." - Goo

to the extreme extent he also insists that:

"No zygotes, animals, people, or any other living thing
benefits from coming into existence. No farm animals
benefit from farming." - Goo

From reading Goo's idiotics a person could easily get the impression
that Goo himself is an excellent example of the brain shrinkage people
are being warned about.

Rudy Canoza hunched over a computer, typing feverishly;
Thunder crashed, Rudy Canoza laughed madly, then wrote:

>Goo - ****wit David Harrison, Stupidist SPAMMER, stupid pig-****ing
>cracker, cockfighting specialist - woke up and said, "How can I be even
>*more* stupid today than I was yesterday?", and so he lied:
>
>> On Sun, 05 Oct 2008 14:31:42 -0700, Zapanaz <http://joecosby.com/code/mail.pl> wrote:
>>
>>> Goo - ****wit David Harrison, Stupidist SPAMMER, stupid pig-****ing cracker, cockfighting specialist - woke up and said, "How can I be even *more* stupid today than I was yesterday?", and so he lied:
>
>No "warning".

PLONK to the both of you idiots.

You can continue your personal arm-wrestling match on your own time.


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International Satanic Conspiracy
Customer Support Specialist
http://joecosby.com/
>The oracular-prophetic "shall" usually occurs in the third person, as
>in, "a cow standing on a cotton shed shall provide an example".


good heavens, an example of what?

:: Currently listening to War Pigs, 1989, by Faith No More, from "This Is It, The Best Of"

Rudy Canoza > wrote in
:

> Zapanaz wrote:
>> Rudy Canoza hunched over a computer, typing feverishly;
>> Thunder crashed, Rudy Canoza laughed madly, then wrote:
>>
>>> Goo - ****wit David Harrison, Stupidist SPAMMER, stupid pig-****ing
>>> cracker, cockfighting specialist - woke up and said, "How can I be
>>> even *more* stupid today than I was yesterday?", and so he lied:
>>>
>>>> On Sun, 05 Oct 2008 14:31:42 -0700, Zapanaz
>>>> <http://joecosby.com/code/mail.pl> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Goo - ****wit David Harrison, Stupidist SPAMMER, stupid
>>>>> pig-****ing cracker, cockfighting specialist - woke up and said,
>>>>> "How can I be even *more* stupid today than I was yesterday?", and
>>>>> so he lied:
>>> No "warning".
>>
>> PLONK to the both of you idiots.
>
> You're a ****wit. People who announce kill-filings always are
> ****wits.
>

People who bitch about being killfiled always are ****wits.

--
http://feitctaj.blogspot.com

Just wait until the dead babies start marching. Then you'll be eating
your words.

Rudy Canoza > wrote in
m:

> Rev Dr Feit C Taj wrote:
>> Rudy Canoza > wrote in
>> :
>>
>>> Zapanaz wrote:
>>>> Rudy Canoza hunched over a computer, typing feverishly;
>>>> Thunder crashed, Rudy Canoza laughed madly, then wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Goo - ****wit David Harrison, Stupidist SPAMMER, stupid
>>>>> pig-****ing cracker, cockfighting specialist - woke up and said,
>>>>> "How can I be even *more* stupid today than I was yesterday?", and
>>>>> so he lied:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sun, 05 Oct 2008 14:31:42 -0700, Zapanaz
>>>>>> <http://joecosby.com/code/mail.pl> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Goo - ****wit David Harrison, Stupidist SPAMMER, stupid
>>>>>>> pig-****ing cracker, cockfighting specialist - woke up and said,
>>>>>>> "How can I be even *more* stupid today than I was yesterday?",
>>>>>>> and so he lied:
>>>>> No "warning".
>>>> PLONK to the both of you idiots.
>>> You're a ****wit. People who announce kill-filings always are
>>> ****wits.
>>>
>>
>> People who bitch about being killfiled always are ****wits.
>
> Nope. Anyway, I wasn't bitching about it. I was commenting that
> people who announce killfilings are ****wits. I'm right - they are.
> I think you have to be a ****wit, too.

Nice to see such variety in your fLames, useless ****ling.

--
http://feitctaj.blogspot.com

Just wait until the dead babies start marching. Then you'll be eating
your words.

Rudy Canoza hunched over a computer, typing feverishly;
Thunder crashed, Rudy Canoza laughed madly, then wrote:

>Rev Dr Feit C Taj wrote:
>> Rudy Canoza > wrote in
>> :
>>
>>> Zapanaz wrote:
>>>> Rudy Canoza hunched over a computer, typing feverishly;
>>>> Thunder crashed, Rudy Canoza laughed madly, then wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Goo - ****wit David Harrison, Stupidist SPAMMER, stupid pig-****ing
>>>>> cracker, cockfighting specialist - woke up and said, "How can I be
>>>>> even *more* stupid today than I was yesterday?", and so he lied:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sun, 05 Oct 2008 14:31:42 -0700, Zapanaz
>>>>>> <http://joecosby.com/code/mail.pl> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Goo - ****wit David Harrison, Stupidist SPAMMER, stupid
>>>>>>> pig-****ing cracker, cockfighting specialist - woke up and said,
>>>>>>> "How can I be even *more* stupid today than I was yesterday?", and
>>>>>>> so he lied:
>>>>> No "warning".
>>>> PLONK to the both of you idiots.
>>> You're a ****wit. People who announce kill-filings always are
>>> ****wits.
>>>
>>
>> People who bitch about being killfiled always are ****wits.
>
>Nope. Anyway, I wasn't bitching about it. I was commenting that people
>who announce killfilings are ****wits. I'm right - they are. I think
>you have to be a ****wit, too.

People that think everybody who annoys them in any way are ****wits,
are usually ****wits.


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"Rudy Canoza" > wrote in message
m...
> Rev Dr Feit C Taj wrote:
>> Rudy Canoza > wrote in
>> :
>>> Zapanaz wrote:
>>>> Rudy Canoza hunched over a computer, typing feverishly;
>>>> Thunder crashed, Rudy Canoza laughed madly, then wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Goo - ****wit David Harrison, Stupidist SPAMMER, stupid pig-****ing
>>>>> cracker, cockfighting specialist - woke up and said, "How can I be
>>>>> even *more* stupid today than I was yesterday?", and so he lied:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sun, 05 Oct 2008 14:31:42 -0700, Zapanaz
>>>>>> <http://joecosby.com/code/mail.pl> wrote:
>>>>>>> Goo - ****wit David Harrison, Stupidist SPAMMER, stupid
>>>>>>> pig-****ing cracker, cockfighting specialist - woke up and said,
>>>>>>> "How can I be even *more* stupid today than I was yesterday?", and
>>>>>>> so he lied:
>>>>> No "warning".
>>>> PLONK to the both of you idiots.
>>> You're a ****wit. People who announce kill-filings always are
>>> ****wits.
>>
>> People who bitch about being killfiled always are ****wits.
>
> Nope. Anyway, I wasn't bitching about it. I was commenting that people
> who announce killfilings are ****wits. I'm right - they are. I think you
> have to be a ****wit, too.
>

I have to concur with my young colleague.

You are indeed guilty of being a 50-ton ****wit, with a goodly share of
dipshittery and chronic assholism.

"Rudy Canoza" > wrote in message
m...
> ****witted Sodder wrote:
>> "Rudy Canoza" > wrote in message
>> m...
>>> Rev Dr Feit C Taj wrote:
>>>> Rudy Canoza > wrote in
>>>> :
>>>>> Zapanaz wrote:
>>>>>> Rudy Canoza hunched over a computer, typing feverishly;
>>>>>> Thunder crashed, Rudy Canoza laughed madly, then wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Goo - ****wit David Harrison, Stupidist SPAMMER, stupid pig-****ing
>>>>>>> cracker, cockfighting specialist - woke up and said, "How can I be
>>>>>>> even *more* stupid today than I was yesterday?", and so he lied:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Sun, 05 Oct 2008 14:31:42 -0700, Zapanaz
>>>>>>>> <http://joecosby.com/code/mail.pl> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Goo - ****wit David Harrison, Stupidist SPAMMER, stupid
>>>>>>>>> pig-****ing cracker, cockfighting specialist - woke up and said,
>>>>>>>>> "How can I be even *more* stupid today than I was yesterday?", and
>>>>>>>>> so he lied:
>>>>>>> No "warning".
>>>>>> PLONK to the both of you idiots.
>>>>> You're a ****wit. People who announce kill-filings always are
>>>>> ****wits.
>>>> People who bitch about being killfiled always are ****wits.
>>> Nope. Anyway, I wasn't bitching about it. I was commenting that people
>>> who announce killfilings are ****wits. I'm right - they are. I think
>>> you have to be a ****wit, too.
>>>
>>
>> I have to concur with my young colleague.
>
> You would - he's a ****wit, and you're one right along with him.
>

You're funny like a clown, Rudy.

And you're still the biggest ****wit in the thread, pee-boy.

In fact, you may be one of the stupidest ****wits I've run into so far this
month - sucking on the ass end of a troll from a notorious KOOK and then
getting all indignant and swole up and red in the face like that.

Disgustipated by Tool

And the angel of the lord came unto me, snatching me up from my place
of slumber. And took me on high, and higher still until we moved to
the spaces betwixt the air itself. And he brought me into a vast
farmlands of our own midwest. And as we descended, cries of impending
doom rose from the soil. One thousand, nay a million voices full of
fear. And terror possesed me then.

And I begged, "Angel of the Lord, what are these tortured screams?"
And the angel said unto me, "These are the cries of the carrots, the
cries of the carrots! You see, Reverend Maynard, tomorrow is harvest
day and to them it is the holocaust." And I sprang from my slumber
drenched in sweat like the tears of one million terrified brothers and
roared, "Hear me now, I have seen the light! They have a
consciousness, they have a life, they have a soul! Damn you! Let the
rabbits wear glasses! Save our brothers!" Can I get an amen? Can I get
a hallelujah? Thank you Jesus.

Life feeds on life feeds on life feeds on life feeds on........

This is necessary.

It was daylight when you woke up in your ditch. You looked up at your
sky then. That made blue be your color. You had your knife there with
you too. When you stood up there was goo all over your clothes. Your
hands were sticky. You wiped them on your grass, so now your color was
green. Oh Lord, why did everything always have to keep changing like
this. You were already getting nervous again. Your head hurt and it
rang when you stood up. Your head was almost empty. It always hurt you
when you woke up like this.

You crawled up out of your ditch onto your gravel road and began to
walk, waiting for the rest of your mind to come back to you. You can
see the car parked far down the road and you walked toward it. "If God
is our Father," you thought, "then Satan must be our cousin." Why
didn't anyone else understand these important things? You got to your
car and tried all the doors. They were locked. It was a red car and it
was new. There was an expensive leather camera case laying on the
seat. Out across your field, you could see two tiny people walking by
your woods. You began to walk towards them. Now red was your color
and, of course, those little people out there were yours too.

On Tue, 7 Oct 2008 07:57:51 -0700 (PDT), Toilet Peppermintman > wrote:

>Disgustipated by Tool
>
>And the angel of the lord came unto me, snatching me up from my place
>of slumber. And took me on high, and higher still until we moved to
>the spaces betwixt the air itself. And he brought me into a vast
>farmlands of our own midwest. And as we descended, cries of impending
>doom rose from the soil. One thousand, nay a million voices full of
>fear. And terror possesed me then.
>
>And I begged, "Angel of the Lord, what are these tortured screams?"
>And the angel said unto me, "These are the cries of the carrots, the
>cries of the carrots! You see, Reverend Maynard, tomorrow is harvest
>day and to them it is the holocaust." And I sprang from my slumber
>drenched in sweat like the tears of one million terrified brothers and
>roared, "Hear me now, I have seen the light! They have a
>consciousness, they have a life, they have a soul! Damn you! Let the
>rabbits wear glasses! Save our brothers!" Can I get an amen? Can I get
>a hallelujah? Thank you Jesus.
>
>Life feeds on life feeds on life feeds on life feeds on........
>
>This is necessary.

· Since the animals we raise for food would not be alive
if we didn't raise them for that purpose, it's a distortion of
reality not to take that fact into consideration whenever
we think about the fact that the animals are going to be
killed. The animals are not being cheated out of any part
of their life by being raised for food, but instead they are
experiencing whatever life they get as a result of it. ·

"Wun like the wind, Wudy da Wabbit! Wun!"

Now go back to wherever you crawled out from and jerk off to Sarah Palin
pictures or whatever you scrotes do.

"Rudy Canoza" > wrote in message
...
> Sodder wrote:
>> "Wun like the wind, Wudy
>
> Speak English, you stupid ****wit.
>

Famous movie quote, gruntcakes.

Jeez, you Republi****s are dim.

"Rudy Canoza" > wrote in message
m...
> Sod-All wrote:
>> "Rudy Canoza" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> Sodder wrote:
>>>> "Wun like the wind, Wudy
>>> Speak English, you stupid ****wit.
>>>
>>
>> Famous movie quote,
>
> For kids.
>
> You're a ****wit.
>

Wudy, Wudy, Wudy. Wank like the wind, Wudy da Wabbit.

Someone as stupid as you should learn to shut up when you're typing to your
betters.

"Rudy Canoza" > wrote in message
m...
> Sod-all wrote:
>> "Rudy Canoza" > wrote in message
>> m...
>>> Sod-All wrote:
>>>> "Rudy Canoza" > wrote in message
>>>> ...
>>>>> Sodder wrote:
>>>>>> "Wun like the wind, Wudy
>>>>> Speak English, you stupid ****wit.
>>>>>
>>>> Famous movie quote,
>>> For kids.
>>>
>>> You're a ****wit.
>>>
>>
>> Wudy, Wudy, Wudy.
>
> ****wit, ****wit, ****wit - you're a ****wit.
>

You're SO clever Wudy.

I've exhausted your poor little vocabulary.

On Oct 7, 11:46*pm, dh@. wrote:

The animals are not being cheated out of any part
of their life by being raised for food, but instead they are
experiencing whatever life they get as a result of it.


Correct. Inadequacy of the government to provide proper education for
live stocks/animals
causes this emptiness they are feeling.

I am now fighting for a new cause!! Thank you for giving me this
insight.

Rudy Canoza hunched over a computer, typing feverishly;
Thunder crashed, Rudy Canoza laughed madly, then wrote:

>Sod-all whined:
>> "Rudy Canoza" > wrote in message
>> m...
>>> Sod-all wrote:
>>>> "Rudy Canoza" > wrote in message
>>>> m...
>>>>> Sod-All wrote:
>>>>>> "Rudy Canoza" > wrote in message
>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>> Sodder wrote:
>>>>>>>> "Wun like the wind, Wudy
>>>>>>> Speak English, you stupid ****wit.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Famous movie quote,
>>>>> For kids.
>>>>>
>>>>> You're a ****wit.
>>>>>
>>>> Wudy, Wudy, Wudy.
>>> ****wit, ****wit, ****wit - you're a ****wit.
>>>
>>
>> You're SO clever
>
>I don't need to be all that clever to show what a ****wit you are, ****wit.


You haven't, you've just kept calling him one.


I think having your whole debating technique consist of calling people
"****wit", and not even realizing that that doesn't show anybody
anything, kind of makes you the one who's been shown to be a ****wit.

--
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"Rudy Canoza" > wrote in message
...
> Zapanaz wrote:
>> Rudy Canoza hunched over a computer, typing feverishly;
>> Thunder crashed, Rudy Canoza laughed madly, then wrote:
>>
>>> Sod-all whined:
>>>> "Rudy Canoza" > wrote in message
>>>> m...
>>>>> Sod-all wrote:
>>>>>> "Rudy Canoza" > wrote in message
>>>>>> m...
>>>>>>> Sod-All wrote:
>>>>>>>> "Rudy Canoza" > wrote in message
>>>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>>>> Sodder wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> "Wun like the wind, Wudy
>>>>>>>>> Speak English, you stupid ****wit.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Famous movie quote,
>>>>>>> For kids.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You're a ****wit.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Wudy, Wudy, Wudy.
>>>>> ****wit, ****wit, ****wit - you're a ****wit.
>>>>>
>>>> You're SO clever
>>> I don't need to be all that clever to show what a ****wit you are,
>>> ****wit.
>>
>>
>> You haven't
>
> I have. I've shown you're one, too.

No you haven't. You've simply proven that you're a typical Usenet assoul. I
see dozens like you xposting the same old tired crap/stupid flame war shit
into this newsgroup every week

Old news, Wudy the ******.

What you've really proven is that you're just another poo-flinging monkey.

Dance for us some more, monkey. Dance and we'll throw peanuts.

On Oct 7, 1:05*pm, "SODDI" > wrote:
>
> jerk off to Sarah Palin
> pictures or whatever you scrotes do.

I guess I'm a scrote too.

"Rudy Canoza" > wrote in message
m...
> stupid Sod-All ****wit blabbered:
>> "Rudy Canoza" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> Zapanaz wrote:
>>>> Rudy Canoza hunched over a computer, typing feverishly;
>>>> Thunder crashed, Rudy Canoza laughed madly, then wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Sod-all whined:
>>>>>> "Rudy Canoza" > wrote in message
>>>>>> m...
>>>>>>> Sod-all wrote:
>>>>>>>> "Rudy Canoza" > wrote in message
>>>>>>>> m...
>>>>>>>>> Sod-All wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> "Rudy Canoza" > wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>>>>>> Sodder wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> "Wun like the wind, Wudy
>>>>>>>>>>> Speak English, you stupid ****wit.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Famous movie quote,
>>>>>>>>> For kids.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> You're a ****wit.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Wudy, Wudy, Wudy.
>>>>>>> ****wit, ****wit, ****wit - you're a ****wit.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> You're SO clever
>>>>> I don't need to be all that clever to show what a ****wit you are,
>>>>> ****wit.
>>>>
>>>> You haven't
>>> I have. I've shown you're one, too.
>>
>> No you haven't.
>
> Yes, I have - you ****wit.

Such wicked repartee, Wudy.

"No, you are."

Learned that in special ed class, tard boy?

"Wascally Wudy the Wabid ****** Canoza" > wrote
in message m...
> stupid Sod-All ****wit blabbered:
>> "Rudy Canoza" > wrote in message
>> m...
>>> stupid Sod-All ****wit blabbered:
>>>> "Rudy Canoza" > wrote in message
>>>> ...
>>>>> Zapanaz wrote:
>>>>>> Rudy Canoza hunched over a computer, typing feverishly;
>>>>>> Thunder crashed, Rudy Canoza laughed madly, then wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sod-all whined:
>>>>>>>> "Rudy Canoza" > wrote in message
>>>>>>>> m...
>>>>>>>>> Sod-all wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> "Rudy Canoza" > wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>> m...
>>>>>>>>>>> Sod-All wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> "Rudy Canoza" > wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sodder wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Wun like the wind, Wudy
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Speak English, you stupid ****wit.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Famous movie quote,
>>>>>>>>>>> For kids.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> You're a ****wit.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Wudy, Wudy, Wudy.
>>>>>>>>> ****wit, ****wit, ****wit - you're a ****wit.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You're SO clever
>>>>>>> I don't need to be all that clever to show what a ****wit you are,
>>>>>>> ****wit.
>>>>>> You haven't
>>>>> I have. I've shown you're one, too.
>>>> No you haven't.
>>> Yes, I have - you ****wit.
>>
>> Such wicked repartee
>
> It's good enough for you, ham hock, you stupid ****wit.

You can get dumber with your insults, Wudy. C'mon, try harder.

Wudy's a girls name. Are you a girl?

Rudy Canoza. Too useless to live, too stupid to die

On Oct 7, 6:53 pm, "SODDI" > wrote:
> Rudy Canoza. Too useless to live, too stupid to die

You are ****wit Soddi.

You may go now.

****wit.

On Tue, 7 Oct 2008 11:38:56 -0700 (PDT), Toilet Peppermintman > wrote:

>On Oct 7, 11:46*pm, dh@. wrote:
>
> The animals are not being cheated out of any part
>of their life by being raised for food, but instead they are
>experiencing whatever life they get as a result of it.
>
>
>Correct. Inadequacy of the government to provide proper education for
>live stocks/animals
>causes this emptiness they are feeling.

No. They learn all they care about learning, and maybe more.

On Tue, 07 Oct 2008 20:43:23 -0400, SODDI did the cha-cha, and screamed:

Uh, "Rudy" isn't strictly a feminine name. Short for "Rudolph",
"Rudolf", "Rudolfo", and "Rudolpho", for example. Only ignorant
Americans (mainly Bush and McCain supporters) associate the longer form
with a reindeer.

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"They could hear the aria and whistle it" -- Yeah, poor blacks in the
late 19th/early 20th centuries sure would have gone to operas all the
time, Aggie! Message-ID:
>
http://www.kookpedia.net/index.php/Agamemnon

"RUBBISH! Italian opera makes reference to RECORDED GREEK HISTORY!
Calling with folklore is like calling the Napoleonic wars folklore or
Julius Caesar folklore.

"Greece does not have folk music and it does not have folklore." --
Clearly, Greek mythology was made up by archaeologists and
anthropologists in the past two centuries. Isn't that right, Aggie?
Message-ID: >

"Folklore is a 19th Century Romanticist Art Music genre." -- Aggie re-
defines the Brothers Grimm as musicians, in Message-ID:
>

"Folk music is by definition Irish pop music. Specifically Irish pop
music influenced by Eastern European dance music." -- Agamemnon owes me
a head injury for that. Message-ID:
>

"Rave and Trance on technical grounds should be classified as classical
music." -- Aggie the musical expert, in Message-ID:
>

"Bluegrass is African American. Actually its origin is French just like
Rap, but it has nothing to do with Folk. Folk is Irish pop music
concocted in the 50's and 60's which uses instruments that weren't
invented until the 30's." -- And rock, of course, was first made by
Greeks, as Agamemnon will assert. Message-ID:
>

"WRONG! The plays of Aristophanes prove that the overwhelming majority
of Athenians were straight and idiogenogamotics were ridiculed as either
being effeminate or only doing kologamosis in return for political or
financial favours. If this was not so then Aristophanes would not have
mocked the politicians in the front seats as boy ****ers (kologamosis
with young boys will illegal in ancient Athens and those engaging in it
were banned from holding elected office) or made numerous bum gags, or
brought naked girls on stage for an all male audience to represent peace
or written plays featuring female prostitutes. Hellenistic romantic
fiction such as the Aethiopica also disproves your claims that women
were only regarded as baby making machines. Menanders Dyskolos also
disproves your claims as does book 3 of Apollonius Argonougtica and
Euripides Hellen. Kolofilia was nothing more than masturbation. Just ask
yourself why it was only with a man and adolescent boy. Because it was
easier for the giver to think the receiver was a young girl than if it
was with a man the same age. He might as well have ****ed a sheep or a
goat. So to get back on topic, it makes you wonder why RTD made Captain
Jack an omnisexual, read complete ******." -- Poutso kelftis on a
frothing rage, in Message-ID:
>

"I'll be long gone before some smart person ever figures out what
happened inside this Oval Office." --George W. Bush, Washington, D.C.,
May 12, 2008

"6. Who is a net.giggler?" -- Bloxy's "Monkay", that's who. Message-ID:
>

"'I find this genetic sequence all the way down the evolutionary
ladder,' he says. 'The major significance of this protein is that it may
be a communication line between the nucleus and the mitochondria.'" --
Andrew B. Chung, from
http://gtalumni.org/Publications/mag...n91/chung.html

"Pot...kettle...so black it picks cotton." -- But Alex "Dink" Cain isn't
racist at all, oh no. Not him. Why, some of his best friends are porch
monkeys. I'll bet. Message-ID: >

"You think I don't know this? What gives you the right to speak as if
you have authority over me? You have none. I like his use of the words
'wanton woman'. They are biblical. Maybe there is some hope for k man
after all. You? There is no hope for you at all you freak of nature. Go
back to the hole you came out of." -- Atlanta Olympiada Kane "knows"
Kadaitcha Man was referring to me, but addressed him as though he was
referring to himself, then foamed all over me, in Message-ID:
>

"No effort at all c*cksucking you, b1tch." -- At last, the Monkey-man
comes out of the closet, in MID: <aXkth.3535$QE6.1902@trnddc02>

http://www6.kingdomofloathing.com/login.php

"This is a sandwich made by a Spam Witch. You know why Spam Witches
can't starve if they're at the beach? Because they can always eat the
sand which is there." -- Spam Witch sammich, from The Kingdom of
Loathing

http://www.runescape.com/
No one expects the Fannish Inquisition!
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Cabal_...y_Pretzel/join
Cabal of the Holy International Discordian Internet & Usenet Terrorist
Pretzel

"i have no need for sex; i'd rather tease you, honeybuns." -- Teh Mop
Jockey doesn't know the meaning of "TMI". MID:
>

"What are marijuana tablets?"

"When logic and proportion
Have fallen softly dead
And the White Knight is talking backwards
And the Red Queen's 'off with her head!'
Remember what the dormouse said:
'Feed your head
Feed your head
Feed your head'"
-- "White Rabbit", Jefferson Airplane

I own "James C Cracked is God!!!":
MID: .com>

"Chips on you dud, you got bugged for being near me, Viruses transmit
that way you know." -- Blooey: Master of the Autoflame. Message-ID:
> http://tinyurl.com/virusestransmit

"The nonsense screeds you compose and post to usenet lack any kind of
coherent and rational meaning whatsoever, and are composed of random
bits and pieces stolen from mythology, science fiction, religion, comic
books, etc., placed into a blender, and the switch turned to the highest
setting.
About every other screed has droppings of death threats, racial
bigotry, laughably false prophesies of gloom and doom, and inane
attempts to extort money. These bland, meaningless, pulpy messes are
then trowled into usenet; identical or nearly identical screeds are
repeated ad nauseum." -- Art Deco had to clean up bits of Warhol for
days after using the Hammer on him

"Q: How many Bush administration officials does it take to change a
light bulb?
A: None. There is no need to change anything. We made the right decision
to stick with that light bulb. People who say that it is burned out are
giving aid and encouragement to the Forces of Darkness." -- Anon.

"Outlaw amateur assassins!" -- Chiun

"Property is theft."
-- P. J. Proudhon
"Property is liberty."
-- P. J. Proudhon
"Property is impossible."
-- P. J. Proudhon

"Etymology:
Argumentum ad Septicus : argument to putrefaction. Derived from Septicum
Argumentum : putrefaction of argument.

"Septic \Sep"tic\, Septical \Sep"tic*al\
a. [L. septicus to make putrid: cf. F. septique.]
Having power to promote putrefaction. Of or relating to or
caused by putrefaction." -- Kadaitcha Man, indirectly to
Donald "Skeptic"/"Septic" Alford, in MID: >

"I never fail to be amazing" -- Looney Maroon for September 2006 nominee
William Barwell's ego knows no bounds. MID:


"Red meat won't hurt you. Fuzzy, blue-green meat will."
-- Zog the etc., in alt.discordia (correct
as needed)

"may you live to whatever age you'd like to." -- Dave Hillstrom,
in alt.discordia

"We are most nearly ourselves when we achieve the seriousness of the
child at play." -- Heraclitus

"And thats another mistake on your part. Your 'playing' games on usenet,
and I'm not playing...It has nothing to do with impressing you, it has
more to do with making sure you have the education you'll need to debate.
The debate is no fun for me if you are mentally incapable of it. I'm
giving you an opportunity to educate yourself. That's all." -- A trashy
former virus-writer turned Outer Filth doesn't know if he's playing or
working, in MID: om>

"I am incapable of original thoughts" -- Ctrl¤/Alt¤/Del¤ has an honest
moment, in MID: >

"But now the end is near. Now Mark Foley comes along and is making
almost all liberal dreams come true and seriously, I'm sorry for it.
See, I believe in karma. I believe what comes around goes around and I
know full well that it's just bad juju to wish such a level of turmoil
and ill upon other humans, warmongering ***-hating maladroits or no, and
that the real path of enlightenment is paved with forgiveness and
progress and white-hot love and turning the other cheek and scotch.

"In fact, Jesus said something about that, I do believe. He said, "Knock
it off already with the warmongering and the hating of each other and
let's all get some wine and party like it's 2012." Then again, he never
saw Karl Rove stab the nation with the dull ice pick of bogus fear. He
never heard George W. Bush describe brutal war and the death of tens of
thousands as "just a comma" in world history.

"Check that. Maybe I'm not so sorry after all." -- Mark Morford,
http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cg...ve/2006/10/11/
notes101106.DTL&nl=fix
http://tinyurl.com/kusmr

On Oct 4, 2:38*pm, "Rev. 11D Meow!" > wrote:

> eAT mORE cOWS!
>
> eSPECIALLY vEGAN cOWS!!!
>

Ummmmmmm... no.

But I will share with you the following "Breaking News" from PCRM -
which is WAY BEYOND a day late and a dollar short. Perhaps I shamed
them into a response? Again: WAY LATE, guys. The time for a response
to this nonsense to have gotten a lot of press was weeks ago. YOU BLEW
IT.

FWIW, here it is:

Headlines claiming that vegetarian and vegan diets cause brain
shrinkage have received quite a bit of attention recently. These
headlines are based on a recent study conducted by researchers at
Oxford and published in Neurology. This was not a study of vegans or
vegetarians. Unfortunately, this sound research study on vitamin B12
status in older adults has been mistakenly misconstrued by a few
members of the media.

This study looked at older adults, who are much more likely to be
deficient in vitamin B12 compared to younger adults. This allowed the
researchers to see the differences in brain atrophy, or “shrinkage,”
between groups of people with low B12 levels vs. normal B12 levels. In
fact, the researchers found that older adults with lower B12 levels
lost more brain mass over a five-year period compared to those with
higher B12 levels. But this does not necessarily have anything to do
with their diet, and because dietary intake was not measured, there is
no evidence of a relationship between a vegetarian or vegan diet and
brain volume.

The most common cause of B12 deficiency actually has nothing to do
with diet. Rather, some people simply cannot absorb it adequately.
Normally, cells in the stomach produce a compound called intrinsic
factor, which combines with vitamin B12 and allows it to be absorbed
in the small intestine. Some people cannot make intrinsic factor
because of various stomach disorders. They need monthly B12 injections
or very large oral doses (1,000 – 2,000 mcg per day). Also, certain
medicines for acid stomach, such as omeprazole (Prilosec),
esomeprazole (Nexium), ranitidine (Zantac), or famotidine (Pepcid),
can interfere with the body’s ability to absorb B12.

Vegan diets need to be supplemented with B12. However, the National
Academy of Sciences recommends that everyone over age 50 take a B12
supplement or use B12-fortified foods, and some have suggested that
this should apply to all age groups. The reason is that about 15
percent of older meat-eaters—and some younger ones as well—are low in
B12. The bottom line is that everyone should take a multiple vitamin
or a B12 supplement. This is not a reason to add meat to your diet;
that would lead to far worse problems.

The harm in the popular media’s misinterpretation of this study is
twofold. First, reporters have wrongfully implicated vegetarian and
vegan diets in causing brain shrinkage, while research continues to
show the health benefits of this plant-based eating pattern. But most
regrettably, we as a community have failed to acknowledge the value of
this study, which clearly demonstrates the need to prevent, screen,
and treat vitamin B12 deficiency in older adults. While these
vulnerable members of our community go unnoticed, they continue to
suffer from preventable cognitive decline, nerve damage, personality
changes, and depression.

Furthermore, the authors of this article noted that other risk factors
for brain atrophy include hypertension, diabetes, and hyperlipidemia.
PCRM concludes that those people who follow a low-fat vegan diet and
take a vitamin B12 supplement have a low risk of brain atrophy, as a
low-fat vegan diet has demonstrated improvements and reversals of all
of the above risk factors.

Please see PCRM’s fact sheet on vitamin B12 for more information:

http://www.pcrm.org/health/veginfo/b12.html

On Oct 4, 3:33*pm, Zapanaz <http://joecosby.com/code/mail.pl> wrote:

>
>*Here is a good example, his page describing how the fact that
> he sees the numbers "1 - 1 - 1" everywhere he goes shoes that
> he is a prophet or something:
>


Jesus****ingchristmas, Old Joe. What is this, 2001? Or earlier?!
Haven't we gone over this at length? Like well over several dozen
times? Maybe even over a hundred times? Maybe even over 111 times?

From 11/1/1999 -

I start out this update by making a very important clarification to
anyone who is new to this story and/or to anyone who has been
following it for decades:

It has been a REALLY long time since the act of simply seeing the
number "111" really meant anything to me (at all).

I put that in a bold 15 point font for the benefit of anyone who
thinks that I'm just some guy that simply sees the number 111 all over
the place. Because I'm not that guy. No, I'm not. I haven't been -
for a VERY long time. At this point, it's WAY more than that. If you
take the time to read through the entire write-up and you see the
progression of events, it is very clear that I did not go looking for
111. It found me. And it found me through a bizarre series of
coincidences that actually began when I was THREE. The real question
is this: where did my initial early 1980's experience with simply
seeing 111 lead me? Well, it led me smack dab into the position of
CLEARING HOUSE, ELDER SPOKESPERSON, SCRIBE, and RECORD KEEPER for not
only people seeing 111, but for all people who have connected into a
special number pattern. It also led me to Crowley and it led me to the
Qabala. But through it all, I think I have kept a balance that has
eluded others. I have refrained from crowning myself as The Leader of
anyone (or anything). "the 111 experience" is not a MOVEMENT or a CULT
or a GROUP. It is simply my story. As a colleague and coworker of mine
said recently "it is a divine yet not completely understood gift."
That really sums it up. I really do see it as a gift. And, as the
years go by, I have been going out on a limb and sharing it with more
and more people. In fact, I put it out there for the whole world to
see. Because it is The Truth. And it is Real.

~~~

Perhaps you're in for a long-overdue re-reading of the write-up, Old
Joe? To save you time, just read this:

http://www.the111experience.org/TheRoots.html

HTH, Old Joe, HTH. If you need more, just let me know...

On Oct 4, 4:53*pm, "Dutch" > wrote:
> > wrote
> FYI...
>
> (start at the bottom and work up)
>
> From:
> To:
> Subject: PCRM & PETA Let Us Down...
>
> PCRM is an oxymoron. Responsible medicine necessarily implies that the best
> interests of the patient are first and foremost. PCRM, as a front for PeTA
> and animal rights is ideologically incapable of placing the best interests
> of patients first.

PCRM is in no way, shape, or form a front for PETA. For obvious
reasons, the two groups are aligned on some of their missions, but
that's it. You have no idea what the **** you're talking about. Next?

On Oct 8, 8:51*am, dh@. wrote:
> On Tue, 7 Oct 2008 11:38:56 -0700 (PDT), Toilet Peppermintman > wrote:
> >On Oct 7, 11:46*pm, dh@. wrote:
>
> > The animals are not being cheated out of any part
> >of their life by being raised for food, but instead they are
> >experiencing whatever life they get as a result of it.
>
> >Correct. Inadequacy of the government to provide proper education for
> >live stocks/animals
> >causes this emptiness they are feeling.
>
> * * No. They learn all they care about learning, and maybe more.

As a capstone, it appears that a short lesson on Animal
Experimentation is needed as well. Please pay close attention:


Does animal experimentation save human lives?

More lives could be saved and suffering stopped by educating people on
the importance of avoiding fat and cholesterol, the dangers of
smoking, reducing alcohol and other drug consumption, exercising
regularly, and cleaning up the environment than by all the animal
tests in the world.

And, as George Bernard Shaw once said, "You do not settle whether an
experiment is justified or not by merely showing that it is of some
use. The distinction is not between useful and useless experiments,
but between barbarous and civilized behavior." There are some medical
problems that can probably only be cured by testing on unwilling
people, but we don’t do it because we recognize that it would be
wrong. We need to extend this same concern to other living, feeling
beings, regardless of what species they may be.


Hasn’t every major medical advance been attributable to experiments on
animals?

Medical historians have shown that improved nutrition, sanitation, and
other behavioral and environmental factors—not anything learned from
animal experiments—are responsible for the decline in deaths since
1900 from the most common infectious diseases and that medicine has
had little to do with increased life expectancy. Many of the most
important advances in health are attributable to human studies,
including the development of anesthesia; bacteriology; germ theory;
the stethoscope; morphine; radium; penicillin; artificial respiration;
antiseptics; the CAT, MRI, and PET scans; the discovery of the
relationships between cholesterol and heart disease and between
smoking and cancer; the development of x-rays; and the isolation of
the virus that causes AIDS. Animal testing played no role in these and
many other developments.

The role of animal studies in the development of many treatments has
been exaggerated and twisted to fit the goals of those who promote
animal experimentation. For example, the development of the polio
vaccine involved two separate bodies of work—the in vitro or non-
animal studies, which were awarded the Nobel Prize, and the subsequent
animal experiments in which close to 1 million animals were killed and
which the Nobel committee refused to recognize as anything more than
wasteful. Early polio studies on animals misled researchers about the
route of infection and delayed the development of a vaccine for
decades.

It’s impossible to say where we would be today if we had refused to
experiment on animals, because throughout medical history, very few
resources have been devoted to non-animal research methods. We do know
that animal experiments frequently give misleading results and many
believe we’d probably be better off if we hadn’t relied on them and
ignored avenues of research more relevant to humans, including
epidemiological and cell research.


If we didn’t test on animals, how would we conduct medical research?

Human clinical and epidemiological studies, cadavers, and computer
simulators are faster, more reliable, less expensive, and more humane
than animal tests. Ingenious scientists have developed a model
"microbrain" from human brain cells to study tumors, as well as
artificial skin and bone marrow. We can now test for skin irritancy on
cells in a test tube, produce vaccines from human cell cultures, and
perform pregnancy tests using blood samples instead of killing
rabbits. Says Gordon Baxter, cofounder of Pharmagene Laboratories, a
drug research company that uses only human tissues and computers to
develop and test drugs, "If you have information on human genes,
what’s the point of going back to animals?"


Should we throw out all the drugs that were developed and tested on
animals?

Unfortunately, many things in our society came about through others’
exploitation. For instance, many of the roads we drive on were built
by slaves. We can’t change the past; those who have already suffered
and died are lost. What we can do is change the future by using non-
animal research methods from now on.


Would you approve an experiment that would sacrifice 10 animals to
save 10,000 people?

Suppose the only way to save those 10,000 people was to experiment on
one mentally challenged orphan. If saving people is the goal, wouldn’t
that be worth it? Most people will agree that it is wrong to sacrifice
one human for the "greater good" of others because it would violate
that individual’s rights. There is no logical reason to deny animals
the same rights that protect individual humans from being sacrificed
for the common good.