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eSPECIALLY vEGAN cOWS!!!

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On Oct 4, 2:38*pm, "Rev. 11D Meow!" > wrote:

> eAT mORE cOWS!
>
> eSPECIALLY vEGAN cOWS!!!
>

Ummmmmmm... no.

But I will share with you the following "Breaking News" from PCRM -
which is WAY BEYOND a day late and a dollar short. Perhaps I shamed
them into a response? Again: WAY LATE, guys. The time for a response
to this nonsense to have gotten a lot of press was weeks ago. YOU BLEW
IT.

FWIW, here it is:

Headlines claiming that vegetarian and vegan diets cause brain
shrinkage have received quite a bit of attention recently. These
headlines are based on a recent study conducted by researchers at
Oxford and published in Neurology. This was not a study of vegans or
vegetarians. Unfortunately, this sound research study on vitamin B12
status in older adults has been mistakenly misconstrued by a few
members of the media.

This study looked at older adults, who are much more likely to be
deficient in vitamin B12 compared to younger adults. This allowed the
researchers to see the differences in brain atrophy, or “shrinkage,”
between groups of people with low B12 levels vs. normal B12 levels. In
fact, the researchers found that older adults with lower B12 levels
lost more brain mass over a five-year period compared to those with
higher B12 levels. But this does not necessarily have anything to do
with their diet, and because dietary intake was not measured, there is
no evidence of a relationship between a vegetarian or vegan diet and
brain volume.

The most common cause of B12 deficiency actually has nothing to do
with diet. Rather, some people simply cannot absorb it adequately.
Normally, cells in the stomach produce a compound called intrinsic
factor, which combines with vitamin B12 and allows it to be absorbed
in the small intestine. Some people cannot make intrinsic factor
because of various stomach disorders. They need monthly B12 injections
or very large oral doses (1,000 – 2,000 mcg per day). Also, certain
medicines for acid stomach, such as omeprazole (Prilosec),
esomeprazole (Nexium), ranitidine (Zantac), or famotidine (Pepcid),
can interfere with the body’s ability to absorb B12.

Vegan diets need to be supplemented with B12. However, the National
Academy of Sciences recommends that everyone over age 50 take a B12
supplement or use B12-fortified foods, and some have suggested that
this should apply to all age groups. The reason is that about 15
percent of older meat-eaters—and some younger ones as well—are low in
B12. The bottom line is that everyone should take a multiple vitamin
or a B12 supplement. This is not a reason to add meat to your diet;
that would lead to far worse problems.

The harm in the popular media’s misinterpretation of this study is
twofold. First, reporters have wrongfully implicated vegetarian and
vegan diets in causing brain shrinkage, while research continues to
show the health benefits of this plant-based eating pattern. But most
regrettably, we as a community have failed to acknowledge the value of
this study, which clearly demonstrates the need to prevent, screen,
and treat vitamin B12 deficiency in older adults. While these
vulnerable members of our community go unnoticed, they continue to
suffer from preventable cognitive decline, nerve damage, personality
changes, and depression.

Furthermore, the authors of this article noted that other risk factors
for brain atrophy include hypertension, diabetes, and hyperlipidemia.
PCRM concludes that those people who follow a low-fat vegan diet and
take a vitamin B12 supplement have a low risk of brain atrophy, as a
low-fat vegan diet has demonstrated improvements and reversals of all
of the above risk factors.

Please see PCRM’s fact sheet on vitamin B12 for more information:

http://www.pcrm.org/health/veginfo/b12.html

Rev Dr Feit C Taj

wrote in
:

> FYI...
>
> (start at the bottom and work up)
>
That's exactly how I ignored it.

--
http://feitctaj.blogspot.com

Just wait until the dead babies start marching. Then you'll be eating your
words.

Zapanaz

hunched over a computer, typing
feverishly;
Thunder crashed, laughed madly, then
wrote:

>(start at the bottom and work up)

no.

--
Zapanaz
International Satanic Conspiracy
Customer Support Specialist
http://joecosby.com/
Doktor Dark wrote:

> On either side of the anus of the dox is situated an anal gland, which
> secretes a lubricant that better enables the dox to expel the contents
> of the rectum. These glands are subject to being clogged, and in them
> accumulates a fetid mass.

That is the very worst wedding toast I have ever heard.

- HellPope Huey

:: Currently listening to Solitude, 1982, by Ennio Morricone, from "The Thing"

Dutch

> wrote
FYI...

(start at the bottom and work up)

From:
To:
Subject: PCRM & PETA Let Us Down...

PCRM is an oxymoron. Responsible medicine necessarily implies that the best
interests of the patient are first and foremost. PCRM, as a front for PeTA
and animal rights is ideologically incapable of placing the best interests
of patients first.

pearl[_1_]

"Dutch" > wrote in message ...
>
> > wrote
> FYI...
>
> (start at the bottom and work up)
>
> From:
> To:
> Subject: PCRM & PETA Let Us Down...
>
> PCRM is an oxymoron. Responsible medicine necessarily implies that the best
> interests of the patient are first and foremost. PCRM, as a front for PeTA
> and animal rights is ideologically incapable of placing the best interests
> of patients first.

'Founded in 1985, the Physicians Committee for Responsible Medicine
is a nonprofit health organization that promotes preventive medicine,
especially good nutrition. PCRM also conducts clinical research studies,
opposes unethical human experimentation, and promotes alternatives to
animal research.
...'
http://www.pcrm.org/news/release080708.html

'Since it is impossible to tell which animal species, if any, will correctly
predict human responses, there is the constant risk of misleading
predictions. Far more could be achieved, and without harm to animals,
by concentrating methods of direct relevance to people. These methods
include human population studies (known scientifically as epidemiology),
clinical investigation of people who are ill or who have died, observations
of healthy volunteers, and test-tube experiments with human tissues.
Such tissues can be obtained from therapeutic surgery, biopsies and
postmortem specimens.
....'
http://aerzte-gegen-tierversuche.de/...ion=100&Lang=e
n&qstring=.

dh@.

On Sun, 5 Oct 2008 12:29:54 +0100, "pearl" > wrote:

>"Dutch" > wrote in message ...
>>
>> > wrote
>> FYI...
>>
>> (start at the bottom and work up)
>>
>> From:
>> To:
>> Subject: PCRM & PETA Let Us Down...
>>
>> PCRM is an oxymoron. Responsible medicine necessarily implies that the best
>> interests of the patient are first and foremost. PCRM, as a front for PeTA
>> and animal rights is ideologically incapable of placing the best interests
>> of patients first.
>
>'Founded in 1985, the Physicians Committee for Responsible Medicine
>is a nonprofit health organization that promotes preventive medicine,
>especially good nutrition. PCRM also conducts clinical research studies,
>opposes unethical human experimentation, and promotes alternatives to
>animal research.
__________________________________________________ _______
If scientists could replace animal research and testing
with methods which did not need to use animals then
they would.

There are several reasons for this:

* Scientists do not like or want to use animals in research.
Like the vast majority of people they do not want to see animals
suffer unnecessarily. In fact less than 10% of biomedical research
uses animals. Unfortunately for much of the work involved in
biomedical research there are as yet no working alternative
techniques that would allow us to stop using animals.

* Biomedical research is producing thousands of new compounds,
which may have potential as new drugs. It is much more efficient to
screen these compounds using rapid non-animal techniques to test
their effectiveness and toxicity.

* The very high standards of animal welfare and care required of
British research establishments are a contributory factor in making
animal research very expensive. If scientists can develop alternatives
to using animals it will allow them to divert their limited research funds
to other areas of research.
[...]
http://www.bret.org.uk/noan.htm
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[...]
From the bald eagle to the red wolf, biomedical research has
helped bring many species back from the brink of extinction.
Conservation and captive breeding programs, often using
fertilization techniques developed for humans, have made it
possible for these animals to be reintroduced into the wild, and
today their numbers are growing. Biologists and wildlife
veterinarians rely on the latest research in reproduction, nutrition,
toxicology and medicine to build a better future for our wild
animals.

In vitro fertilization, sperm banks and artificial insemination were
all developed to help human couples, but today they also are
regularly used to ensure the survival of endangered species.
[...]

http://fbresearch.org/helpingwildlife.html
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On Oct 4, 4:53*pm, "Dutch" > wrote:
> > wrote
> FYI...
>
> (start at the bottom and work up)
>
> From:
> To:
> Subject: PCRM & PETA Let Us Down...
>
> PCRM is an oxymoron. Responsible medicine necessarily implies that the best
> interests of the patient are first and foremost. PCRM, as a front for PeTA
> and animal rights is ideologically incapable of placing the best interests
> of patients first.

PCRM is in no way, shape, or form a front for PETA. For obvious
reasons, the two groups are aligned on some of their missions, but
that's it. You have no idea what the **** you're talking about. Next?

Dutch

> wrote
On Oct 4, 4:53 pm, "Dutch" > wrote:
> > wrote
> FYI...
>
> (start at the bottom and work up)
>
> From:
> To:
> Subject: PCRM & PETA Let Us Down...
>
> PCRM is an oxymoron. Responsible medicine necessarily implies that the
> best
> interests of the patient are first and foremost. PCRM, as a front for PeTA
> and animal rights is ideologically incapable of placing the best interests
> of patients first.

PCRM is in no way, shape, or form a front for PETA. For obvious
reasons, the two groups are aligned on some of their missions, but
that's it. You have no idea what the **** you're talking about. Next?

PCRM and PeTA/Animal Rights have FUNDAMENTALLY the same agenda. PCRM uses an
obviously fake "responsible medicine" platform to promote this agenda. The
vast majority of their members are not physicians.

Rev. 11D Meow!

It's A Conspiracy Of One This Time, Dutch!

Toilet Peppermintman

Disgustipated by Tool

And the angel of the lord came unto me, snatching me up from my place
of slumber. And took me on high, and higher still until we moved to
the spaces betwixt the air itself. And he brought me into a vast
farmlands of our own midwest. And as we descended, cries of impending
doom rose from the soil. One thousand, nay a million voices full of
fear. And terror possesed me then.

And I begged, "Angel of the Lord, what are these tortured screams?"
And the angel said unto me, "These are the cries of the carrots, the
cries of the carrots! You see, Reverend Maynard, tomorrow is harvest
day and to them it is the holocaust." And I sprang from my slumber
drenched in sweat like the tears of one million terrified brothers and
roared, "Hear me now, I have seen the light! They have a
consciousness, they have a life, they have a soul! Damn you! Let the
rabbits wear glasses! Save our brothers!" Can I get an amen? Can I get
a hallelujah? Thank you Jesus.

Life feeds on life feeds on life feeds on life feeds on........

This is necessary.

It was daylight when you woke up in your ditch. You looked up at your
sky then. That made blue be your color. You had your knife there with
you too. When you stood up there was goo all over your clothes. Your
hands were sticky. You wiped them on your grass, so now your color was
green. Oh Lord, why did everything always have to keep changing like
this. You were already getting nervous again. Your head hurt and it
rang when you stood up. Your head was almost empty. It always hurt you
when you woke up like this.

You crawled up out of your ditch onto your gravel road and began to
walk, waiting for the rest of your mind to come back to you. You can
see the car parked far down the road and you walked toward it. "If God
is our Father," you thought, "then Satan must be our cousin." Why
didn't anyone else understand these important things? You got to your
car and tried all the doors. They were locked. It was a red car and it
was new. There was an expensive leather camera case laying on the
seat. Out across your field, you could see two tiny people walking by
your woods. You began to walk towards them. Now red was your color
and, of course, those little people out there were yours too.

dh@.

On Tue, 7 Oct 2008 07:57:51 -0700 (PDT), Toilet Peppermintman > wrote:

>Disgustipated by Tool
>
>And the angel of the lord came unto me, snatching me up from my place
>of slumber. And took me on high, and higher still until we moved to
>the spaces betwixt the air itself. And he brought me into a vast
>farmlands of our own midwest. And as we descended, cries of impending
>doom rose from the soil. One thousand, nay a million voices full of
>fear. And terror possesed me then.
>
>And I begged, "Angel of the Lord, what are these tortured screams?"
>And the angel said unto me, "These are the cries of the carrots, the
>cries of the carrots! You see, Reverend Maynard, tomorrow is harvest
>day and to them it is the holocaust." And I sprang from my slumber
>drenched in sweat like the tears of one million terrified brothers and
>roared, "Hear me now, I have seen the light! They have a
>consciousness, they have a life, they have a soul! Damn you! Let the
>rabbits wear glasses! Save our brothers!" Can I get an amen? Can I get
>a hallelujah? Thank you Jesus.
>
>Life feeds on life feeds on life feeds on life feeds on........
>
>This is necessary.

· Since the animals we raise for food would not be alive
if we didn't raise them for that purpose, it's a distortion of
reality not to take that fact into consideration whenever
we think about the fact that the animals are going to be
killed. The animals are not being cheated out of any part
of their life by being raised for food, but instead they are
experiencing whatever life they get as a result of it. ·

Toilet Peppermintman

On Oct 7, 11:46*pm, dh@. wrote:

The animals are not being cheated out of any part
of their life by being raised for food, but instead they are
experiencing whatever life they get as a result of it.

Correct. Inadequacy of the government to provide proper education for
live stocks/animals
causes this emptiness they are feeling.

I am now fighting for a new cause!! Thank you for giving me this
insight.

dh@.

On Tue, 7 Oct 2008 11:38:56 -0700 (PDT), Toilet Peppermintman > wrote:

>On Oct 7, 11:46*pm, dh@. wrote:
>
> The animals are not being cheated out of any part
>of their life by being raised for food, but instead they are
>experiencing whatever life they get as a result of it.
>
>
>Correct. Inadequacy of the government to provide proper education for
>live stocks/animals
>causes this emptiness they are feeling.

No. They learn all they care about learning, and maybe more.

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On Oct 8, 8:51*am, dh@. wrote:
> On Tue, 7 Oct 2008 11:38:56 -0700 (PDT), Toilet Peppermintman > wrote:
> >On Oct 7, 11:46*pm, dh@. wrote:
>
> > The animals are not being cheated out of any part
> >of their life by being raised for food, but instead they are
> >experiencing whatever life they get as a result of it.
>
> >Correct. Inadequacy of the government to provide proper education for
> >live stocks/animals
> >causes this emptiness they are feeling.
>
> * * No. They learn all they care about learning, and maybe more.

As a capstone, it appears that a short lesson on Animal
Experimentation is needed as well. Please pay close attention:

Does animal experimentation save human lives?

More lives could be saved and suffering stopped by educating people on
the importance of avoiding fat and cholesterol, the dangers of
smoking, reducing alcohol and other drug consumption, exercising
regularly, and cleaning up the environment than by all the animal
tests in the world.

And, as George Bernard Shaw once said, "You do not settle whether an
experiment is justified or not by merely showing that it is of some
use. The distinction is not between useful and useless experiments,
but between barbarous and civilized behavior." There are some medical
problems that can probably only be cured by testing on unwilling
people, but we don’t do it because we recognize that it would be
wrong. We need to extend this same concern to other living, feeling
beings, regardless of what species they may be.

Hasn’t every major medical advance been attributable to experiments on
animals?

Medical historians have shown that improved nutrition, sanitation, and
other behavioral and environmental factors—not anything learned from
animal experiments—are responsible for the decline in deaths since
1900 from the most common infectious diseases and that medicine has
had little to do with increased life expectancy. Many of the most
important advances in health are attributable to human studies,
including the development of anesthesia; bacteriology; germ theory;
the stethoscope; morphine; radium; penicillin; artificial respiration;
antiseptics; the CAT, MRI, and PET scans; the discovery of the
relationships between cholesterol and heart disease and between
smoking and cancer; the development of x-rays; and the isolation of
the virus that causes AIDS. Animal testing played no role in these and
many other developments.

The role of animal studies in the development of many treatments has
been exaggerated and twisted to fit the goals of those who promote
animal experimentation. For example, the development of the polio
vaccine involved two separate bodies of work—the in vitro or non-
animal studies, which were awarded the Nobel Prize, and the subsequent
animal experiments in which close to 1 million animals were killed and
which the Nobel committee refused to recognize as anything more than
wasteful. Early polio studies on animals misled researchers about the
route of infection and delayed the development of a vaccine for
decades.

It’s impossible to say where we would be today if we had refused to
experiment on animals, because throughout medical history, very few
resources have been devoted to non-animal research methods. We do know
that animal experiments frequently give misleading results and many
believe we’d probably be better off if we hadn’t relied on them and
ignored avenues of research more relevant to humans, including
epidemiological and cell research.

If we didn’t test on animals, how would we conduct medical research?

Human clinical and epidemiological studies, cadavers, and computer
simulators are faster, more reliable, less expensive, and more humane
than animal tests. Ingenious scientists have developed a model
"microbrain" from human brain cells to study tumors, as well as
artificial skin and bone marrow. We can now test for skin irritancy on
cells in a test tube, produce vaccines from human cell cultures, and
perform pregnancy tests using blood samples instead of killing
rabbits. Says Gordon Baxter, cofounder of Pharmagene Laboratories, a
drug research company that uses only human tissues and computers to
develop and test drugs, "If you have information on human genes,
what’s the point of going back to animals?"

Should we throw out all the drugs that were developed and tested on
animals?

Unfortunately, many things in our society came about through others’
exploitation. For instance, many of the roads we drive on were built
by slaves. We can’t change the past; those who have already suffered
and died are lost. What we can do is change the future by using non-
animal research methods from now on.

Would you approve an experiment that would sacrifice 10 animals to
save 10,000 people?

Suppose the only way to save those 10,000 people was to experiment on
one mentally challenged orphan. If saving people is the goal, wouldn’t
that be worth it? Most people will agree that it is wrong to sacrifice
one human for the "greater good" of others because it would violate
that individual’s rights. There is no logical reason to deny animals
the same rights that protect individual humans from being sacrificed
for the common good.

Zapanaz

Rudy Canoza hunched over a computer, typing feverishly;
Thunder crashed, Rudy Canoza laughed madly, then wrote:

wrote:
>> FYI...
>>
>> (start at the bottom and work up)
>
>Let's delete most of the effete outrage and get to the real issue.
>
>
>> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: J. Ward-Nichols ]
>> Sent: Sunday, September 21, 2008 10:00 AM
>> To: media info;
>> Subject: Please Address the SMALL BRAINS stories!!!
>>
>> It might be a little bit late and we might want to simply let this
>> nonsense fade into the background but REALLY - this has got to be one
>> of the faultiest conclusions the SHILLS for Beef and Dairy have ever
>> reached. Ever. It's laughable, but millions actually believe it to be
>> true.
>
>"J. Ward-Nichols" undoubtedly is not competent to say if the conclusions
>are "faulty" or not. She just doesn't like the conclusions.

Well I don't know how you could think Ward-Nichols is anything but
competent and level-headed. Here is a good example, his page
describing how the fact that he sees the numbers "1 - 1 - 1"
everywhere he goes shoes that he is a prophet or something:

http://www.the111experience.org/index_01112008.html

(thus the "111" in his email address, it's a magical ward I guess)

I can't make heads or tails of the page, so either he is a nut, or I
am an idiot.

I'll let you read the page and decide yourself whether you and I are
both idiots, or he is a nut.

If you start at

1965 - The Beginning

and read down to 1980, you can see that no fewer than FOUR TIMES, over
a fifteen year interval, patterns of three number "1" appeared in his
life. FOUR TIMES, in just fifteen years! HOW COULD THAT POSSIBLY BE,
IF NOT BY MAGIC?

--
Zapanaz
International Satanic Conspiracy
Customer Support Specialist
http://joecosby.com/
"MY LIFE IS NOT A CRITIQUE OF YOUR LIFE" - NENSLO

:: Currently listening to Shine On You Crazy Diamond (Parts VI - VII - VIII - IX), 1975, by Pink Floyd, from "Wish You Were Here (Remaster)"

dh@.

On Sat, 04 Oct 2008 13:33:01 -0700, Zapanaz <http://joecosby.com/code/mail.pl> wrote:

>The Goober hunched over a computer, typing feverishly;
>Thunder crashed, Goobernicus Gonad laughed madly,
>then wrote:
>
wrote:
>>> FYI...
>>>
>>> (start at the bottom and work up)
>>
>>Let's delete most of the effete outrage and get to the real issue.
>>
>>
>>> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: J. Ward-Nichols ]
>>> Sent: Sunday, September 21, 2008 10:00 AM
>>> To: media info;
>>> Subject: Please Address the SMALL BRAINS stories!!!
>>>
>>> It might be a little bit late and we might want to simply let this
>>> nonsense fade into the background but REALLY - this has got to be one
>>> of the faultiest conclusions the SHILLS for Beef and Dairy have ever
>>> reached. Ever. It's laughable, but millions actually believe it to be
>>> true.
>>
>>"J. Ward-Nichols" undoubtedly is not competent to say if the conclusions
>>are "faulty" or not. She just doesn't like the conclusions.
>
>Well I don't know how you could think Ward-Nichols is anything but
>competent and level-headed. Here is a good example, his page
>describing how the fact that he sees the numbers "1 - 1 - 1"
>everywhere he goes shoes that he is a prophet or something:
>
>http://www.the111experience.org/index_01112008.html
>
>(thus the "111" in his email address, it's a magical ward I guess)
>
>I can't make heads or tails of the page, so either he is a nut, or I
>am an idiot.
>
>I'll let you read the page and decide yourself whether you and I are
>both idiots, or he is a nut.

Don't be so quick to jump in bed with Goo, even if he is
right about something and even more rarely honest about
something for a change. You might want to consider some
Goobal idiocies before you join the Goo Crew:

"it is not "better" that the animal exist, no matter
its quality of live" - Goo

"It is not "better" in any moral way, and not in *any* way
at all to the animal itself, that the animal exists." - Goo

"Life is not a gain because there *was* no person to
experience the gain" - Goo

"coming into existence didn't make me better off than
I was" - Goo

"When the entity moves from "pre-existence" into the
existence we know, we don't know if that move improves
its welfare" - Goo

"Animals do not have a sense of insult." - Goo

"Dogs NEVER anticipate, nor do cats, or cattle, or
any other animal you've ever encountered." - Goo

"Animals do not experience frustration." - Goo

"No zygotes, animals, people, or any other living thing
benefits from coming into existence. No farm animals
benefit from farming." - Goo

"Being born is not a benefit in any way. It can't be." - Goo

"Animals cannot be or feel disappointed." - Goo

"Non human animals experience neither pride nor
disappointment. They don't have the mental ability
to feel either." - Goo

"Darwin, a sentimental person, was projecting. He
saw something that wasn't there. He was, in a way,
hallucinating." - Goo

"Anticipation requires language." - Goo

"No animals anticipate." - Goo

"Dogs, cats, cattle, almost all animals "lower" than
the great apes have no sense of self." - Goo

"They are not aware that they can see. " - Goo

"They are *not* aware that they can smell." - Goo
__________________________________________________ _______
Ron asked:
>So you are telling us that the cow was purposely bred into existance
>and fed and watered for 12 years only to be sold at the lowest price in
>the beef industry......and all that done with the singular purpose of
>supplying the pet food industry?

Goo replied:
Yes.
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Ron pointed out:
>You also said cows are raised for 12 years specifically to become
>PET FOOD.

Goo replied:
Some are.
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>>> The main thing to consider in both of course is the life
>>> which is experienced
>>
>> No.
>
> LOL! So what do you think is, Goo?

Not "the life which is experienced"
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Zapanaz

dh@. hunched over a computer, typing feverishly;
Thunder crashed, dh@. laughed madly, then wrote:

> Don't be so quick to jump in bed with Goo, even if he is
>right about something and even more rarely honest about
>something for a change. You might want to consider some
>Goobal idiocies before you join the Goo Crew:

I haven't got the foggiest idea what the **** you are talking about.

Are you trying to tell me that you don't like the person I am replying
to because of some long-standing difference with him you have?

I couldn't possibly care less.

--
Zapanaz
International Satanic Conspiracy
Customer Support Specialist
http://joecosby.com/
Godwin was a NAZI

:: Currently listening to Whitewater, 2004, by California Guitar Trio, from "Whitewater"

dh@.

On Sun, 05 Oct 2008 14:31:42 -0700, Zapanaz <http://joecosby.com/code/mail.pl> wrote:

>On Sun, 05 Oct 2008 15:50:00 -0200, dh@. warned Zapanaz:
>
>>On Sat, 04 Oct 2008 13:33:01 -0700, Zapanaz <http://joecosby.com/code/mail.pl> wrote:
>>
>>>I'll let you read the page and decide yourself whether you and I are
>>>both idiots, or he is a nut.
>>
>> Don't be so quick to jump in bed with Goo, even if he is
>>right about something and even more rarely honest about
>>something for a change. You might want to consider some
>>Goobal idiocies before you join the Goo Crew:
>>
>>"it is not "better" that the animal exist, no matter
>>its quality of live" - Goo
>>
>>"It is not "better" in any moral way, and not in *any* way
>>at all to the animal itself, that the animal exists." - Goo
>>
>>"Life is not a gain because there *was* no person to
>>experience the gain" - Goo
>>
>>"coming into existence didn't make me better off than
>>I was" - Goo
>>
>>"When the entity moves from "pre-existence" into the
>>existence we know, we don't know if that move improves
>>its welfare" - Goo
>>
>>"Animals do not have a sense of insult." - Goo
>>
>>"Dogs NEVER anticipate, nor do cats, or cattle, or
>>any other animal you've ever encountered." - Goo
>>
>>"Animals do not experience frustration." - Goo
>>
>>"No zygotes, animals, people, or any other living thing
>>benefits from coming into existence. No farm animals
>>benefit from farming." - Goo
>>
>>"Being born is not a benefit in any way. It can't be." - Goo
>>
>>"Animals cannot be or feel disappointed." - Goo
>>
>>"Non human animals experience neither pride nor
>>disappointment. They don't have the mental ability
>>to feel either." - Goo
>>
>>"Darwin, a sentimental person, was projecting. He
>>saw something that wasn't there. He was, in a way,
>>hallucinating." - Goo
>>
>>"Anticipation requires language." - Goo
>>
>>"No animals anticipate." - Goo
>>
>>"Dogs, cats, cattle, almost all animals "lower" than
>>the great apes have no sense of self." - Goo
>>
>>"They are not aware that they can see. " - Goo
>>
>>"They are *not* aware that they can smell." - Goo
>>________________________________________________ _________
>>Ron asked:
>>>So you are telling us that the cow was purposely bred into existance
>>>and fed and watered for 12 years only to be sold at the lowest price in
>>>the beef industry......and all that done with the singular purpose of
>>>supplying the pet food industry?
>>
>>Goo replied:
>>Yes.
>>¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯ ¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯
>>________________________________________________ _________
>>Ron pointed out:
>>>You also said cows are raised for 12 years specifically to become
>>>PET FOOD.
>>
>>Goo replied:
>>Some are.
>>¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯ ¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯
>>________________________________________________ _________
>>>>> The main thing to consider in both of course is the life
>>>>> which is experienced
>>>>
>>>> No.
>>>
>>> LOL! So what do you think is, Goo?
>>
>>Not "the life which is experienced"
>>¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯ ¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯

>I haven't got the foggiest idea what the **** you are talking about.

The above are all examples of Goo's idiocy. Maybe you agree
with him about all of it, in which case it won't seem like the idiocy
it is to you, but instead might even seem intelligent to you.

>Are you trying to tell me that you don't like the person I am replying
>to because of some long-standing difference with him you have?
>
>I couldn't possibly care less.

Those are examples of idiotic claims he has made and idiotic
things he believes. If you agree with him about all of them then
they won't seem like idiocy to you. If you don't agree with him
about all of them then those you disagree with will seem like
idiocy to you if you disagree with them strongly enough. If for
example you only kind of sort of disagree a little bit with the
idiotic claim that: "Anticipation requires language", then you
won't be able to appreciate how idiotic the idea is but you
still should get a slight nagging suspicion that there's something
wrong with the claim. You won't be able to figure out for yourself
details like the fact that if it were true animals who have to hunt
to survive would starve to death, but you would still suspect that
something doesn't quite make sense about Goo's claim even
though you can't figure out exactly what it is. It's the same for
every one of them, so to see if you really do want to join up with
Team Goober or not, read the collection of his idiotic claims again
and see if you agree with all of them. If so, then you know you
belong with Goo and you two will do nasty things together like all
of his buddies end up doing. If not then you may want to get out
of his bed quickly before he can seduce you any further. Keep in
mind that the Goober lured you into it by pretending to be opposed
to the gross misnomer "animal rights", but that is just a dishonest
trick Goo regularly tries to make use of. Remember one of the
examples above showed us the truth is Goo is a most maniacally
dedicated supporter of the misnomer, taking their concept:

"one MUST conclude that not raising them in the first place is
the ethically superior choice." - Goo

to the extreme extent he also insists that:

"No zygotes, animals, people, or any other living thing
benefits from coming into existence. No farm animals
benefit from farming." - Goo

From reading Goo's idiotics a person could easily get the impression
that Goo himself is an excellent example of the brain shrinkage people
are being warned about.

Zapanaz

Rudy Canoza hunched over a computer, typing feverishly;
Thunder crashed, Rudy Canoza laughed madly, then wrote:

>Goo - ****wit David Harrison, Stupidist SPAMMER, stupid pig-****ing
>cracker, cockfighting specialist - woke up and said, "How can I be even
>*more* stupid today than I was yesterday?", and so he lied:
>
>> On Sun, 05 Oct 2008 14:31:42 -0700, Zapanaz <http://joecosby.com/code/mail.pl> wrote:
>>
>>> Goo - ****wit David Harrison, Stupidist SPAMMER, stupid pig-****ing cracker, cockfighting specialist - woke up and said, "How can I be even *more* stupid today than I was yesterday?", and so he lied:
>
>No "warning".

PLONK to the both of you idiots.

You can continue your personal arm-wrestling match on your own time.

--
Zapanaz
International Satanic Conspiracy
Customer Support Specialist
http://joecosby.com/
>The oracular-prophetic "shall" usually occurs in the third person, as
>in, "a cow standing on a cotton shed shall provide an example".

good heavens, an example of what?

:: Currently listening to War Pigs, 1989, by Faith No More, from "This Is It, The Best Of"

[email protected]

On Oct 4, 3:33*pm, Zapanaz <http://joecosby.com/code/mail.pl> wrote:

>
>*Here is a good example, his page describing how the fact that
> he sees the numbers "1 - 1 - 1" everywhere he goes shoes that
> he is a prophet or something:
>

Jesus****ingchristmas, Old Joe. What is this, 2001? Or earlier?!
Haven't we gone over this at length? Like well over several dozen
times? Maybe even over a hundred times? Maybe even over 111 times?

From 11/1/1999 -

I start out this update by making a very important clarification to
anyone who is new to this story and/or to anyone who has been
following it for decades:

It has been a REALLY long time since the act of simply seeing the
number "111" really meant anything to me (at all).

I put that in a bold 15 point font for the benefit of anyone who
thinks that I'm just some guy that simply sees the number 111 all over
the place. Because I'm not that guy. No, I'm not. I haven't been -
for a VERY long time. At this point, it's WAY more than that. If you
take the time to read through the entire write-up and you see the
progression of events, it is very clear that I did not go looking for
111. It found me. And it found me through a bizarre series of
coincidences that actually began when I was THREE. The real question
is this: where did my initial early 1980's experience with simply
seeing 111 lead me? Well, it led me smack dab into the position of
CLEARING HOUSE, ELDER SPOKESPERSON, SCRIBE, and RECORD KEEPER for not
only people seeing 111, but for all people who have connected into a
special number pattern. It also led me to Crowley and it led me to the
Qabala. But through it all, I think I have kept a balance that has
eluded others. I have refrained from crowning myself as The Leader of
anyone (or anything). "the 111 experience" is not a MOVEMENT or a CULT
or a GROUP. It is simply my story. As a colleague and coworker of mine
said recently "it is a divine yet not completely understood gift."
That really sums it up. I really do see it as a gift. And, as the
years go by, I have been going out on a limb and sharing it with more
and more people. In fact, I put it out there for the whole world to
see. Because it is The Truth. And it is Real.

~~~

Perhaps you're in for a long-overdue re-reading of the write-up, Old
Joe? To save you time, just read this:

http://www.the111experience.org/TheRoots.html

HTH, Old Joe, HTH. If you need more, just let me know...

Zapanaz

hunched over a computer, typing feverishly;
Thunder crashed, laughed madly, then wrote:

>To save you time, just read this:

To save me time, I'm not going to.

--
Zapanaz
International Satanic Conspiracy
Customer Support Specialist
http://joecosby.com/
I always say I'd much rather be around someone who comes right out and
admits he's a hateful intolerant son of a bitch than someone who's
always calling people down for not coming up to their noble standards
while pretending it's for everybody's benefit.
- nenslo

:: Currently listening to Naima, 1997, by McCoy Tyner, from "The Definitive McCoy Tyner"

Rev. 11D Meow!

"Zapanaz" <http://joecosby.com/code/mail.pl> wrote in message
...
> hunched over a computer, typing feverishly;
> Thunder crashed, laughed madly, then wrote:
>
>>To save you time, just read this:
>
> To save me time, I'm not going to.
>
>

Joe Cosby, Woosy Boy!

dh@.

On Sat, 04 Oct 2008 Goo was actually honest about something for
a strange change:

wrote:
>> FYI...
>>
>> (start at the bottom and work up)
>
>Let's delete most of the effete outrage and get to the real issue.
>
>
>> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: J. Ward-Nichols ]
>> Sent: Sunday, September 21, 2008 10:00 AM
>> To: media info;
>> Subject: Please Address the SMALL BRAINS stories!!!
>>
>> It might be a little bit late and we might want to simply let this
>> nonsense fade into the background but REALLY - this has got to be one
>> of the faultiest conclusions the SHILLS for Beef and Dairy have ever
>> reached. Ever. It's laughable, but millions actually believe it to be
>> true.
>
>"J. Ward-Nichols" undoubtedly is not competent to say if the conclusions
>are "faulty" or not. She just doesn't like the conclusions.

That's an unusually high percentage of truth coming from
you Goo. Did it hurt?

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