On Sun, 05 Oct 2008 14:31:42 -0700, Zapanaz <http://joecosby.com/code/mail.pl> wrote:

>On Sun, 05 Oct 2008 15:50:00 -0200, dh@. warned Zapanaz:
>
>>On Sat, 04 Oct 2008 13:33:01 -0700, Zapanaz <http://joecosby.com/code/mail.pl> wrote:
>>
>>>I'll let you read the page and decide yourself whether you and I are
>>>both idiots, or he is a nut.
>>
>> Don't be so quick to jump in bed with Goo, even if he is
>>right about something and even more rarely honest about
>>something for a change. You might want to consider some
>>Goobal idiocies before you join the Goo Crew:
>>
>>"it is not "better" that the animal exist, no matter
>>its quality of live" - Goo
>>
>>"It is not "better" in any moral way, and not in *any* way
>>at all to the animal itself, that the animal exists." - Goo
>>
>>"Life is not a gain because there *was* no person to
>>experience the gain" - Goo
>>
>>"coming into existence didn't make me better off than
>>I was" - Goo
>>
>>"When the entity moves from "pre-existence" into the
>>existence we know, we don't know if that move improves
>>its welfare" - Goo
>>
>>"Animals do not have a sense of insult." - Goo
>>
>>"Dogs NEVER anticipate, nor do cats, or cattle, or
>>any other animal you've ever encountered." - Goo
>>
>>"Animals do not experience frustration." - Goo
>>
>>"No zygotes, animals, people, or any other living thing
>>benefits from coming into existence. No farm animals
>>benefit from farming." - Goo
>>
>>"Being born is not a benefit in any way. It can't be." - Goo
>>
>>"Animals cannot be or feel disappointed." - Goo
>>
>>"Non human animals experience neither pride nor
>>disappointment. They don't have the mental ability
>>to feel either." - Goo
>>
>>"Darwin, a sentimental person, was projecting. He
>>saw something that wasn't there. He was, in a way,
>>hallucinating." - Goo
>>
>>"Anticipation requires language." - Goo
>>
>>"No animals anticipate." - Goo
>>
>>"Dogs, cats, cattle, almost all animals "lower" than
>>the great apes have no sense of self." - Goo
>>
>>"They are not aware that they can see. " - Goo
>>
>>"They are *not* aware that they can smell." - Goo
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>>Ron asked:
>>>So you are telling us that the cow was purposely bred into existance
>>>and fed and watered for 12 years only to be sold at the lowest price in
>>>the beef industry......and all that done with the singular purpose of
>>>supplying the pet food industry?
>>
>>Goo replied:
>>Yes.
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>>Ron pointed out:
>>>You also said cows are raised for 12 years specifically to become
>>>PET FOOD.
>>
>>Goo replied:
>>Some are.
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>>>>> The main thing to consider in both of course is the life
>>>>> which is experienced
>>>>
>>>> No.
>>>
>>> LOL! So what do you think is, Goo?
>>
>>Not "the life which is experienced"
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>I haven't got the foggiest idea what the **** you are talking about.

The above are all examples of Goo's idiocy. Maybe you agree
with him about all of it, in which case it won't seem like the idiocy
it is to you, but instead might even seem intelligent to you.

>Are you trying to tell me that you don't like the person I am replying
>to because of some long-standing difference with him you have?
>
>I couldn't possibly care less.

Those are examples of idiotic claims he has made and idiotic
things he believes. If you agree with him about all of them then
they won't seem like idiocy to you. If you don't agree with him
about all of them then those you disagree with will seem like
idiocy to you if you disagree with them strongly enough. If for
example you only kind of sort of disagree a little bit with the
idiotic claim that: "Anticipation requires language", then you
won't be able to appreciate how idiotic the idea is but you
still should get a slight nagging suspicion that there's something
wrong with the claim. You won't be able to figure out for yourself
details like the fact that if it were true animals who have to hunt
to survive would starve to death, but you would still suspect that
something doesn't quite make sense about Goo's claim even
though you can't figure out exactly what it is. It's the same for
every one of them, so to see if you really do want to join up with
Team Goober or not, read the collection of his idiotic claims again
and see if you agree with all of them. If so, then you know you
belong with Goo and you two will do nasty things together like all
of his buddies end up doing. If not then you may want to get out
of his bed quickly before he can seduce you any further. Keep in
mind that the Goober lured you into it by pretending to be opposed
to the gross misnomer "animal rights", but that is just a dishonest
trick Goo regularly tries to make use of. Remember one of the
examples above showed us the truth is Goo is a most maniacally
dedicated supporter of the misnomer, taking their concept:

"one MUST conclude that not raising them in the first place is
the ethically superior choice." - Goo

to the extreme extent he also insists that:

"No zygotes, animals, people, or any other living thing
benefits from coming into existence. No farm animals
benefit from farming." - Goo

From reading Goo's idiotics a person could easily get the impression
that Goo himself is an excellent example of the brain shrinkage people
are being warned about.