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Found a Tuocha in East Portland, OR
Question for those more knowledgeable than I (that is to say, just
about everybody on this group) ... I noticed an asian market near my new house in SE Portland, so I dropped in to see if I could find any actual raw puerh. What I found was at the end of the tea aisle, a small cylindrical cardboard box about 4" across and 2" high, containing a tuocha of dark, earthy smelling tea similar to the loose "puerh" that I've gotten at Teavana. The box only says "YUNNAN TUOCHA" and four Chinese characters (I don't read Chinese and can barely interpret Japanese with the help of a Kanji reference) along with "China National Native Produce & Animal By-Products Import & Export Corporation Yunnan Tea Branch". I've just brewed a pot and it's indistinguishable from the stuff I get at Teavana. The tuocha feels like it weighs a couple of ounces, and set me back less than two bucks. My question is: does anybody know just what it is I've got here? (They also had a disk of similar-looking stuff, about a half-inch thick and ten inches across, for nine bucks. It was labeled "Black Tea". I tried asking the clerk if they were puerh but apparently English is a distant second language to her.) stePH -- GoogleGroups licks balls. |
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If the box was green/yellow/white it is the typical cooked tuocha from
the Xiaguan factory. The other typical box from Xiaguan is mostly green with the uncooked version. Some people claim you can find uncooked in the green/yellow/white but not in my experience. The cooked version sounds like your description. The price is right. There is compressed black tea and compressed puerh. If it is a disc my guess it is compressed puerh. I've only seen compressed black in rectangle shape. Typical English lettering on the wrapper is "Yunnan Chi Tse Beeng Cha". Nine bucks is high unless in a decorative box. The ones on my local shelves with just the wrapper are $4. Jim stePH wrote: > Question for those more knowledgeable than I (that is to say, just > about everybody on this group) ... > > I noticed an asian market near my new house in SE Portland, so I > dropped in to see if I could find any actual raw puerh. What I found > was at the end of the tea aisle, a small cylindrical cardboard box > about 4" across and 2" high, containing a tuocha of dark, earthy > smelling tea similar to the loose "puerh" that I've gotten at Teavana. > The box only says "YUNNAN TUOCHA" and four Chinese characters (I don't > read Chinese and can barely interpret Japanese with the help of a Kanji > reference) along with "China National Native Produce & Animal > By-Products Import & Export Corporation Yunnan Tea Branch". I've just > brewed a pot and it's indistinguishable from the stuff I get at > Teavana. The tuocha feels like it weighs a couple of ounces, and set > me back less than two bucks. > > My question is: does anybody know just what it is I've got here? > > (They also had a disk of similar-looking stuff, about a half-inch thick > and ten inches across, for nine bucks. It was labeled "Black Tea". I > tried asking the clerk if they were puerh but apparently English is a > distant second language to her.) > > > stePH > -- > GoogleGroups licks balls. |
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> If the box was green/yellow/white it is the typical cooked tuocha from
> the Xiaguan factory. It is white, green and yellow, with "Tuocha" and some Chinese characters in red. You think the 10" disc is priced high? (I forgot to mention that it was wrapped in plastic.) Okay, my quest continues. There's a couple more oriental grocery stores in my neighborhood, and I haven't even tried Chinatown or Uwajimaya yet. stePH -- GoogleGroups licks balls. |
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> StePH, > > I defer to Mike. He'll get to the bottom of it. Lew too has unearthed > treasures on the dingy shelves of Chinese shops. so, StePH, *why* exactly > does GoogleGroups do that? And, it goes without saying and almost did, Jim, who is the grand master of foraging in local shops. Michael |
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The only shrink wrap I've seen is from Hung Chong Tai Tea Co in Hong
Kong. You'll see the words "Bo Nay Tea" which is Cantonese for Pu'er. Use the Ball Licking archives and search for previous discussions about this disc. It is "Super old" and from Vietnam or Guangzhou. The last price someone mentioned was $8. Finding something on the shelves is more exciting than waiting for the mailman. Even my shipments from China may wait a day or two before I get around to them especially when the postal person leaves a pickup slip at the main post office in my mailbox because they blow their horn in the driveway which I can't hear when I've got Sirius 6017 Jam-on Jam Bands cranked up on DISH and they're too lazy to ring the doorbell which I couldn't hear anyway but my dog still can where barking would be a welcome relief from the howling. Enjoy the hunt. You'll learn something about your neighborhood. In my case I drive to these neighborhoods for shopping but if I lived there I'd make an effort to learn who lived on the street over a pot of tea. Jim stePH wrote: > > If the box was green/yellow/white it is the typical cooked tuocha from > > the Xiaguan factory. > > It is white, green and yellow, with "Tuocha" and some Chinese > characters in red. > > You think the 10" disc is priced high? (I forgot to mention that it > was wrapped in plastic.) > > > Okay, my quest continues. There's a couple more oriental grocery > stores in my neighborhood, and I haven't even tried Chinatown or > Uwajimaya yet. > > stePH > -- > GoogleGroups licks balls. |
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stePH wrote: > > If the box was green/yellow/white it is the typical cooked tuocha from > > the Xiaguan factory. > > It is white, green and yellow, with "Tuocha" and some Chinese > characters in red. > > You think the 10" disc is priced high? (I forgot to mention that it > was wrapped in plastic.) > > > Okay, my quest continues. There's a couple more oriental grocery > stores in my neighborhood, and I haven't even tried Chinatown or > Uwajimaya yet. > > stePH > -- > GoogleGroups licks balls. Does it look like this? http://www.pu-erh.net/graphics/Stash/DSCN0576.JPG If so it is a cooked tuocha from the Xia Guan factory packaged for sale inside of China. You can read more about it at the Factories website here http://www.xgtea.com/pub/a.htm If it looks like this http://www.xgtea.com/pub/g.htm then it is the product packaged for export. Mike http://www.pu-erh.net |
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> If it looks like this http://www.xgtea.com/pub/g.htm then it is the
> product packaged for export. That's the one. I'm going to Tao of Tea today before I go back to Seattle; they list some green puerh touchas on their website. Their SE Portland shop is about ten minutes from my house here. stePH -- GoogleGroups licks balls. |
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StePH,
> I defer to Mike. He'll get to the bottom of it. He already has. (Nice work, Mr. Petro) > so, StePH, *why* exactly does GoogleGroups do that? GoogleGroups licks balls because: * no automatic quoting * no automatic signature * You can't maintain a killfile * You can't snip crossposts without previewing and then editing your message first That's just a few reasons without thinking hard about it. Just about all I can say in its favor, is that it's free and searchable ("Use the Ball Licking archives and search for previous discussions...." -- Space Cowboy, today) stePH -- GoogleGroups licks balls. |
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Michael Plant wrote:
>> >>>so, StePH, *why* exactly does GoogleGroups do that? >> >>GoogleGroups licks balls because: >>* no automatic quoting >> >>* no automatic signature >> >>* You can't maintain a killfile <snip> > Why not use UseNet? (Was that a stupid question?) > If I had to sift through Google, I probably wouldn't even bother very often. > Michael What I do is use my Usenet client for posting and keeping up with threads and then go to Google groups when I want to search. I agree with StePH that the interface Google has could be better, but I would refrain from saying they do that because I think they provide a useful and important service to Usenet. The search is nice and it gives Usenet some exposure to folks who might never have known of its existence. My 2c. Steve |
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Steve Hayue9_e.5275$il4.1836@trnddc049/27/05
> Michael Plant wrote: >>> >>>> so, StePH, *why* exactly does GoogleGroups do that? >>> >>> GoogleGroups licks balls because: >>> * no automatic quoting >>> >>> * no automatic signature >>> >>> * You can't maintain a killfile > > <snip> > >> Why not use UseNet? (Was that a stupid question?) >> If I had to sift through Google, I probably wouldn't even bother very often. >> Michael > > What I do is use my Usenet client for posting and keeping up with > threads and then go to Google groups when I want to search. I agree > with StePH that the interface Google has could be better, but I would > refrain from saying they do that because I think they provide a useful > and important service to Usenet. The search is nice and it gives Usenet > some exposure to folks who might never have known of its existence. > > My 2c. > > Steve Yes, I see what you mean. Some people probably think that Google *is* usenet. My only real issue was with the ball licking analogy. He seems to equate this with something bad. The correct answer was supposed to be....But from our primary topic we digress. Michael |
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stePH wrote:
> GoogleGroups licks balls because: > * no automatic quoting Not true. But it's a super-secret, two-step process. Don't click "reply" at the end of the message. Click "Show options" at the top of the message and then click "reply" from the list of options that appears underneath the newly revealed message headers. This brings up a message composition page where you can edit the text, change the groups, modify the subject, or even add a followup-to header. > * no automatic signature True. > * You can't maintain a killfile True. > * You can't snip crossposts without previewing and then editing your > message first Not true. See previous comments about replying with quotes. It cuts out the whole "previewing process" and takes you straight to the message editor. Derek -- manually insert .sig here |
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Michael Plant wrote: > Why not use UseNet? (Was that a stupid question?) Well, yeah. GoogleGroups is one of the many ways to access usenet. Anybody posting to this group by whatever means, is by definition "using UseNet". But I'm sure that's not what you meant to ask. Your question was probably intended as "why not use a newsreader other than Google?" I couldn't get ComCast to work with XNews and they only support Outlook Express. And other free newsservers are unreliable in operation. And as bad as GoogleGroups is, Outlook Express really sucks ass. stePH -- GoogleGroups licks balls. |
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Michael Plant wrote:
> I'm drinking the Winter 2004 Boluomi from Shan Shui, which is more true to > form in taste and aroma than form, since this year it's leaves are tightly > fisted rather than twisty and elongated. Still, I remember the previous > year's as having been gentler and more pineappled. What does it all mean? It means I bless the rains down in Africa. (sorry, but that was the last answer *I* got to the question "what does it all mean?") "Boluomi" is a new word to me. Nani desu? stePH -- GoogleGroups licks balls. |
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"stePH" > writes:
> Michael Plant wrote: > > I'm drinking the Winter 2004 Boluomi from Shan Shui, which is more true to > > form in taste and aroma than form, since this year it's leaves are tightly > > fisted rather than twisty and elongated. Still, I remember the previous > > year's as having been gentler and more pineappled. What does it all mean? > > It means I bless the rains down in Africa. > > (sorry, but that was the last answer *I* got to the question "what does > it all mean?") > > "Boluomi" is a new word to me. Nani desu? How's this for Googling my own gonads: http://www.panix.com/~perin/babelcar...phrase=boluomi /Lew --- Lew Perin / http://www.panix.com/~perin/babelcarp.html |
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Lewis Perin wrote:
> http://www.panix.com/~perin/babelcar...phrase=boluomi WOW! Cool link; thanks! Bookmarked. stePH -- GoogleGroups licks balls. |
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Michael wrote:
> sucks ass licks balls i cant hang out here with you people anymore cant > you > just talk nice > > I'm drinking the Winter 2004 Boluomi from Shan Shui, which is more true to > form in taste and aroma than form, since this year it's leaves are tightly > fisted rather than twisty and elongated. Still, I remember the previous > year's as having been gentler and more pineappled. What does it all mean? > > Michael > :  ictures kids standing around in leather trenchcoats and steeltoed bootswith brightly and unnaturally colored hair, on the corner across from the highschool, looking furtive and sipping from their gaiwans...:: It's the tea hoods.  What it means Michael is that...everything changes. There are no guarantees. Live in the moment. Get it while it's hot. And other assorted platypuses. That's an oolong I take it? (Sorry, the name by itself, beause not familiar to me, doesn't immediately suggest oolong or red or green) Melinda, drinking that Lipton Indian CTC Assam with lots of milk and sugar 'cause I'm really gummed up this morning. Bah, sometimes I feel like just boiling my head, I really do. |
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Melinda wrote:
> Melinda, drinking that Lipton Indian CTC Assam with lots of milk and sugar > 'cause I'm really gummed up this morning. Bah, sometimes I feel like just > boiling my head, I really do. Does Lipton actually make something worth drinking? I've always rated Lipton's teas as "swampwater". But then I've also never seen the words "Assam" and "Lipton" in the same sentence. stePH -- GoogleGroups licks balls. |
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stePH wrote: > Okay, my quest continues. There's a couple more oriental > grocery stores in my neighborhood, and I haven't even tried > Chinatown or Uwajimaya yet. Don't bother making the lengthy trip from SE PDX to Uwajimaya -- they don't stock any Puerh worth mentioning. They do get some occasionally shipments of organic Sencha, although those are hit and miss as to quality. --crymad |
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"stePH" > wrote in message ps.com... > Melinda wrote: >> Melinda, drinking that Lipton Indian CTC Assam with lots of milk and >> sugar >> 'cause I'm really gummed up this morning. Bah, sometimes I feel like just >> boiling my head, I really do. > > Does Lipton actually make something worth drinking? I've always rated > Lipton's teas as "swampwater". But then I've also never seen the words > "Assam" and "Lipton" in the same sentence. > > > stePH > -- > GoogleGroups licks balls. > Well I seem to recall it's Lipton, but you need to go to a local Indian grocery storeto get it. Someone else help me out here...it's Lipton yellow label? Or Red label? Or something? (I threw the box away or I'd know) Anyhow, they're boxes of your basic loose CTC assam and they have a box of loose darjeeling (supposedly) too but I didn't really want to try that since I have some other nasty darjeeling here that I bought and I'm not up to going through that again right now. Instead I have a birthday present coming from Kyela teas..hope they're as good as people say.  But yeah...it's justCTC assam but it's much better than lots of other things you'll find on regular grocery store shelves especially the american versions of Lipton. The Indian stores sell it for chai I would presume so it's good and strong which is what I like. Melinda, drinking a second cup with dal tadka over brown basmati rice, yummy lunch yummy lunch. Er...just sharing, there. |
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crymad wrote: > stePH wrote: > > Okay, my quest continues. There's a couple more oriental > > grocery stores in my neighborhood, and I haven't even tried > > Chinatown or Uwajimaya yet. > > Don't bother making the lengthy trip from SE PDX to Uwajimaya -- Oh, I will. It just won't be for tea. Are you in or from the area, crymad? stePH -- GoogleGroups licks balls. |
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Michael Plant wrote: > Swampwater, stePH, is a wonderous soup of life, full of flora and fauna and > the makings that feed the food chain right to the top. Me thinks thou dost > insult swampwater. Even with swampwater being all that you say and more, I wouldn't want to drink it. Would you? stePH -- GoogleGroups licks balls. |
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Melinda wrote:
.... > Anyhow, they're boxes of your basic loose CTC assam and they have a box of > loose darjeeling (supposedly) too but I didn't really want to try that since > I have some other nasty darjeeling here that I bought and I'm not up to > going through that again right now. Wikipedia states that although Darjeeling's yearly production of tea is "8,000 to 11,000 tonnes, including local consumption", over 40,000 tonnes of tea are sold as "Darjeeling" every year. That Lipton shit probably isn't real Darjeeling. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Darjeeling_tea On a related note, I wonder about the "Darjeeling" that I buy loose at Wild Oats. It's still pretty good, though. It might be the real stuff. stePH -- GoogleGroups licks balls. |
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stePH > wrote:
>Melinda wrote: >> Melinda, drinking that Lipton Indian CTC Assam with lots of milk and sugar >> 'cause I'm really gummed up this morning. Bah, sometimes I feel like just >> boiling my head, I really do. > >Does Lipton actually make something worth drinking? I've always rated >Lipton's teas as "swampwater". But then I've also never seen the words >"Assam" and "Lipton" in the same sentence. The Lipton CTC Assam isn't bad... I don't think it's worth writing home about, but most local Indian markets carry it and it is entirely drinkable. It is very different than the powder they sell in bags to the American market. Likewise, these days Brooke Bond is owned by Lipton as well. I think it has gone downhill too, but that may just be my tastes. Personally I think there are better cheap Assam teas available at the corner Indian market, but there are usually worse ones too. --scott -- "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis." |
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"stePH" > writes:
> [...] > > Wikipedia states that although Darjeeling's yearly production of tea is > "8,000 to 11,000 tonnes, including local consumption", over 40,000 > tonnes of tea are sold as "Darjeeling" every year. That Lipton shit > probably isn't real Darjeeling. > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Darjeeling_tea > > On a related note, I wonder about the "Darjeeling" that I buy loose at > Wild Oats. It's still pretty good, though. It might be the real > stuff. From what I hear, lots of fake Darjeeling is really from Nepal. Not that Nepali tea is necessarily bad. I have some frankly Nepali tea (Guranse, bought from Teaism) that has a nice honey quality and, depending on the way you brew it, something like the tang you get from lots of Darjeelings. /Lew --- Lew Perin / http://www.panix.com/~perin/babelcarp.html |
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The green tuocha from Tao of Tea is, to my admittedly inexperience
palate, quite nice. They're the little single-serving type and two dollars got me seven of them. I drank five cups off one last night, and I'm working on the first cup from another here at work today. I also picked up an ounce of Sencha Midori (will be my first Japanese green) and an ounce of ginger peach black (scent not encouraging but I'll give it a try). As a bonus, the salesman gave me a little sampling of the "2004 green brick" (maybe half an ounce). If that turns out to be good, I'll buy one and put it away, so that I can celebrate my 50th birthday with some 15-year puerh :-) As for the ginger peach, if it turns out less than satisfactory I guess I'll be heading back to the Perennial Tea Room in Seattle, which has the best ginger peach I've ever had. stePH -- GoogleGroups licks balls. |
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"Scott Dorsey" > wrote in message ... > stePH > wrote: >>Melinda wrote: >>> Melinda, drinking that Lipton Indian CTC Assam with lots of milk and >>> sugar >>> 'cause I'm really gummed up this morning. Bah, sometimes I feel like >>> just >>> boiling my head, I really do. >> >>Does Lipton actually make something worth drinking? I've always rated >>Lipton's teas as "swampwater". But then I've also never seen the words >>"Assam" and "Lipton" in the same sentence. > > The Lipton CTC Assam isn't bad... I don't think it's worth writing home > about, but most local Indian markets carry it and it is entirely > drinkable. > It is very different than the powder they sell in bags to the American > market. > > Likewise, these days Brooke Bond is owned by Lipton as well. I think > it has gone downhill too, but that may just be my tastes. > > Personally I think there are better cheap Assam teas available at the > corner Indian market, but there are usually worse ones too. > --scott Scott, Actually my Indian market is very very small, so this is the only Assam they have there. And sure it's not the best, but I'll tell ya what, compared to any of the general tea bags that are the only things available at my local grocery store...the assam is wonderful. It's all relative. Plus, sincethere are not many loose teas available locally for reasonable prices (I'm not sure I call Rishii or Rep of Tea reasonable in some cases), it's great if I ever run out of other tea (yeah like that's gonna happen). I don't know if I'll ever try their Darjeeling...like I said, I've bought some bad stuff lately (it was a store brand, cheap and I got what I paid for) and so I'm waiting for my Kyela teas order to arrive. Maybe it will sooth the trauma ::grin:: Melinda |
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On 28 Sep 2005 11:07:00 -0400, Lewis Perin wrote:
> "stePH" > writes: > >> [...] >> >> Wikipedia states that although Darjeeling's yearly production of tea is >> "8,000 to 11,000 tonnes, including local consumption", over 40,000 >> tonnes of tea are sold as "Darjeeling" every year. That Lipton shit >> probably isn't real Darjeeling. >> >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Darjeeling_tea >> >> On a related note, I wonder about the "Darjeeling" that I buy loose at >> Wild Oats. It's still pretty good, though. It might be the real >> stuff. > > From what I hear, lots of fake Darjeeling is really from Nepal. Not > that Nepali tea is necessarily bad. I have some frankly Nepali tea > (Guranse, bought from Teaism) that has a nice honey quality and, > depending on the way you brew it, something like the tang you get from > lots of Darjeelings. I haven't been impressed by Teaism. I picked up an Assam and a Darjeeling there a couple of weeks back. The Penn. Avenue shop is not far from where I work. The Teaism tea was stale. It had little flavor, and I have to use twice as much as normal just to get a flavorful cup. Now, the teas out at Wegmann's were surprisingly fresh and tasty. And I would never have expected that from a grocery store. -- Derek Never be afraid to share your dreams with the world. Because there's nothing the world loves more than the taste of really sweet dreams. |
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Derek > writes:
> On 28 Sep 2005 11:07:00 -0400, Lewis Perin wrote: > > > [...] > > From what I hear, lots of fake Darjeeling is really from Nepal. Not > > that Nepali tea is necessarily bad. I have some frankly Nepali tea > > (Guranse, bought from Teaism) that has a nice honey quality and, > > depending on the way you brew it, something like the tang you get from > > lots of Darjeelings. > > I haven't been impressed by Teaism. I picked up an Assam and a > Darjeeling there a couple of weeks back. The Penn. Avenue shop is not > far from where I work. > > The Teaism tea was stale. It had little flavor, and I have to use > twice as much as normal just to get a flavorful cup. I eat and drink at Teaism whenever I'm in Washington, but I'm rarely moved to buy one of their teas to brew at home. This was one of those times. Another tea that's usually good there in my experience is Qing Xiang, an oolong. /Lew --- Lew Perin / http://www.panix.com/~perin/babelcarp.html |
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stePH wrote: >> >>Don't bother making the lengthy trip from SE PDX to Uwajimaya -- > > Oh, I will. It just won't be for tea. We always pick up proper rice and burdock root too there. > Are you in or from the area, crymad? I am indeed. --crymad |
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Michael Plant wrote: > Crymad, would you kindly make mention of a Pu'erh worth > mentioning. BTW, I think you're making wonderful progress. > Keep up the good work. I'm not falling for your tricky schemes. My mouth is staying shut. --crymad |
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On 28 Sep 2005 18:14:17 -0400, Lewis Perin wrote:
> Derek > writes: > >> On 28 Sep 2005 11:07:00 -0400, Lewis Perin wrote: >> >>> [...] >>> From what I hear, lots of fake Darjeeling is really from Nepal. Not >>> that Nepali tea is necessarily bad. I have some frankly Nepali tea >>> (Guranse, bought from Teaism) that has a nice honey quality and, >>> depending on the way you brew it, something like the tang you get from >>> lots of Darjeelings. >> >> I haven't been impressed by Teaism. I picked up an Assam and a >> Darjeeling there a couple of weeks back. The Penn. Avenue shop is not >> far from where I work. >> >> The Teaism tea was stale. It had little flavor, and I have to use >> twice as much as normal just to get a flavorful cup. > > I eat and drink at Teaism whenever I'm in Washington, but I'm rarely > moved to buy one of their teas to brew at home. This was one of those > times. Another tea that's usually good there in my experience is Qing > Xiang, an oolong. Oh, eating there appeared to be a completely different experience. The food that was being served looked absolutely delicious and had a wonderful aroma. The selection of teas to take home, however... -- Derek "You must first have a lot of patience to learn to have patience." -- Stanislaw J. Lec ("Unkempt Thoughts") |
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9/29/05
> On Thu, 29 Sep 2005 11:12:22 GMT, Michael Plant wrote: > >> 9/28/05 >> >>> On 28 Sep 2005 18:14:17 -0400, Lewis Perin wrote: >>> >>>> Derek > writes: >>>> >>>>> On 28 Sep 2005 11:07:00 -0400, Lewis Perin wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> [...] >>>>>> From what I hear, lots of fake Darjeeling is really from Nepal. Not >>>>>> that Nepali tea is necessarily bad. I have some frankly Nepali tea >>>>>> (Guranse, bought from Teaism) that has a nice honey quality and, >>>>>> depending on the way you brew it, something like the tang you get from >>>>>> lots of Darjeelings. >>>>> >>>>> I haven't been impressed by Teaism. I picked up an Assam and a >>>>> Darjeeling there a couple of weeks back. The Penn. Avenue shop is not >>>>> far from where I work. >>>>> >>>>> The Teaism tea was stale. It had little flavor, and I have to use >>>>> twice as much as normal just to get a flavorful cup. >>>> >>>> I eat and drink at Teaism whenever I'm in Washington, but I'm rarely >>>> moved to buy one of their teas to brew at home. This was one of those >>>> times. Another tea that's usually good there in my experience is Qing >>>> Xiang, an oolong. >>> >>> Oh, eating there appeared to be a completely different experience. The >>> food that was being served looked absolutely delicious and had a >>> wonderful aroma. >>> >>> The selection of teas to take home, however... >> >> We had a little Japanese restaurant in my neighborhood that served a variety >> of teas and light fare. The teas were unexceptional, but the ambiance was >> delightful as were the owners. The place went out of business and is missed. >> >> Is this relevant? Don't answer that. >> >> Michael > > This is USENET. Relevance is irrelevant.  Thank you, Derek. Thanks to you my day will be just a little bit nicer. I'm drinking a Yue Hwa No. 1 TKY, supplied by a friend, which is a Ti Guan Yin tightly fisted and greenly made, but not the greenest possible; it's still flowered, but not quite fruited, that is to say. Any word on this tea? Michael |
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