Hello, all,
I have just seen an interesting turn of events in a patient who has in
the last few months started to drink a goodly amount of tea for
"health" reasons (self-prescribed). I have always been an advocate of
the benefits of tea drinking; however, this fellow did go a little
overboard and has been consuming 2/3 liters daily of pu-erh or oolong,
primarily and a bit of Earl Grey. It seems his B1 levels have dropped
considerably. After doing some of research and speaking with
colleagues, we discovered that tea consumption in this amount can
support B1 deficiency. This is important particularly for congestive
heart disease patients and those whom consume alcohol (too much) since
these folks tend to need more B1 and both conditions can also lead to
dificiency.
Just a note that if you do choose to drink copious amounts of this
wonderful stuff, watch your B vitamins (eat your whole grains).
These is meant to be a suggestion and not a substition for medical
advice.
Shen

you're sure there are no other reasons for his deficiency?

"Shen" > wrote in news:1169057446.772359.274170
@l53g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:

> Hello, all,
>
> I have just seen an interesting turn of events in a patient who has
> in the last few months started to drink a goodly amount of tea for
> "health" reasons (self-prescribed). I have always been an advocate of
> the benefits of tea drinking; however, this fellow did go a little
> overboard and has been consuming 2/3 liters daily of pu-erh or
> oolong, primarily and a bit of Earl Grey. It seems his B1 levels
> have dropped considerably. After doing some of research and speaking
> with colleagues, we discovered that tea consumption in this amount
> can support B1 deficiency. This is important particularly for
> congestive heart disease patients and those whom consume alcohol
> (too much) since these folks tend to need more B1 and both conditions
> can also lead to deficiency.
>
> Just a note that if you do choose to drink copious amounts of this
> wonderful stuff, watch your B vitamins (eat your whole grains).
> These is meant to be a suggestion and not a substitution for medical
> advice.
>
> Shen

Not disrespecting your professional status, and not overlooking the fact
that you posted this suggestion at all, nevertheless I would appreciate the
URL's of some of that research, if any of it is on line. I have an
intuitive doubt that the wonderful stuff can have any such effect -- but if
statistically valid research on has been done which tends to point to this,
I certainly want to know of it.

Meantime, consuming tea in amounts in excess of a l/d, I've been avoiding
thiamin supplementation for other reasons -- but I suppose a little more
kichari (mostly mung beans & brown rice) couldn't hurt, *especially* as
it's one of my favorite foods...

Ozzy

Ozzy,
I'll be happy to post the abstract sites and evidenciary data when I
return to my office next Monday. Kichari is my favorite, as well!
Shen
Ozzy wrote:
> "Shen" > wrote in news:1169057446.772359.274170
> @l53g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:
>
> > Hello, all,
> >
> > I have just seen an interesting turn of events in a patient who has
> > in the last few months started to drink a goodly amount of tea for
> > "health" reasons (self-prescribed). I have always been an advocate of
> > the benefits of tea drinking; however, this fellow did go a little
> > overboard and has been consuming 2/3 liters daily of pu-erh or
> > oolong, primarily and a bit of Earl Grey. It seems his B1 levels
> > have dropped considerably. After doing some of research and speaking
> > with colleagues, we discovered that tea consumption in this amount
> > can support B1 deficiency. This is important particularly for
> > congestive heart disease patients and those whom consume alcohol
> > (too much) since these folks tend to need more B1 and both conditions
> > can also lead to deficiency.
> >
> > Just a note that if you do choose to drink copious amounts of this
> > wonderful stuff, watch your B vitamins (eat your whole grains).
> > These is meant to be a suggestion and not a substitution for medical
> > advice.
> >
> > Shen
>
> Not disrespecting your professional status, and not overlooking the fact
> that you posted this suggestion at all, nevertheless I would appreciate the
> URL's of some of that research, if any of it is on line. I have an
> intuitive doubt that the wonderful stuff can have any such effect -- but if
> statistically valid research on has been done which tends to point to this,
> I certainly want to know of it.
>
> Meantime, consuming tea in amounts in excess of a l/d, I've been avoiding
> thiamin supplementation for other reasons -- but I suppose a little more
> kichari (mostly mung beans & brown rice) couldn't hurt, *especially* as
> it's one of my favorite foods...
>
> Ozzy

PS- We often use the research done by the Longevity Institute and UCLA
studies on longevity. However, I'll be happy to share specifics when I
can get to the data.
Shen
Shen wrote:
> Ozzy,
> I'll be happy to post the abstract sites and evidenciary data when I
> return to my office next Monday. Kichari is my favorite, as well!
> Shen
> Ozzy wrote:
> > "Shen" > wrote in news:1169057446.772359.274170
> > @l53g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:
> >
> > > Hello, all,
> > >
> > > I have just seen an interesting turn of events in a patient who has
> > > in the last few months started to drink a goodly amount of tea for
> > > "health" reasons (self-prescribed). I have always been an advocate of
> > > the benefits of tea drinking; however, this fellow did go a little
> > > overboard and has been consuming 2/3 liters daily of pu-erh or
> > > oolong, primarily and a bit of Earl Grey. It seems his B1 levels
> > > have dropped considerably. After doing some of research and speaking
> > > with colleagues, we discovered that tea consumption in this amount
> > > can support B1 deficiency. This is important particularly for
> > > congestive heart disease patients and those whom consume alcohol
> > > (too much) since these folks tend to need more B1 and both conditions
> > > can also lead to deficiency.
> > >
> > > Just a note that if you do choose to drink copious amounts of this
> > > wonderful stuff, watch your B vitamins (eat your whole grains).
> > > These is meant to be a suggestion and not a substitution for medical
> > > advice.
> > >
> > > Shen
> >
> > Not disrespecting your professional status, and not overlooking the fact
> > that you posted this suggestion at all, nevertheless I would appreciate the
> > URL's of some of that research, if any of it is on line. I have an
> > intuitive doubt that the wonderful stuff can have any such effect -- but if
> > statistically valid research on has been done which tends to point to this,
> > I certainly want to know of it.
> >
> > Meantime, consuming tea in amounts in excess of a l/d, I've been avoiding
> > thiamin supplementation for other reasons -- but I suppose a little more
> > kichari (mostly mung beans & brown rice) couldn't hurt, *especially* as
> > it's one of my favorite foods...
> >
> > Ozzy

"Shen" > wrote in
ups.com:

> PS- We often use the research done by the Longevity Institute and UCLA
> studies on longevity. However, I'll be happy to share specifics when I
> can get to the data.
> Shen

Thanks -- have a nice weekend then

Ozzy

On Jan 18, 9:19 pm, Ozzy <please.answer@NG> wrote:
> "Shen" > wrote roups.com:
>
> > PS- We often use the research done by theLongevityInstitute and UCLA
> > studies onlongevity. However, I'll be happy to share specifics when I
> > can get to the data.
> > Shen
>
> Thanks -- have a nice weekend then
>
> Ozzy

Ozzy,
This is the initial list of data. I also refer to JAMA< Lancet and
Medline abstracts. The National Institute of Health substanciates in
six abstrats, as well. Most of these studies refer to consumption of
one quart to two liters daily.
http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/d...t-thiamin.html

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/q...&dopt=Abstract

http://www.ajcn.org/cgi/content/full/74/6/808

http://www.drweil.com/drw/u/id/ART02760

http://72.14.253.104/search?q=cache:...nk&cd=30&gl=us

http://www.longevinst.org/nlt/newsletter19.htm

http://www.appliedhealth.com/nutri/page5964.ph

http://www.innvista.com/HEALTH/nutri...itamins/b1.htm

http://lpi.oregonstate.edu/infocenter/vitamins/thiamin/

http://www.medal.org/visitor/www%5CA...h12.01.11.aspx

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/q...&dopt=Abstract

qjmed.oxfordjournals.org/cgi/reprint/55/1/15.pdf

Shen