So I go see the doctor. I tell him that my blood sugar is too high and
that maybe I need to get my meds altered. Oh no, We don't up the meds
until everything else is exhausted.

So he goes over the other stuff and it's OK. But then he hits the
cholesterol. Now, it's a little high, but I though it was OK based on
what They wanted a year ago. No, they changed the goals. As a
diabetic, They now want the LDL below 70. Excuse me? At this rate,
it's going to be a goal of "negative" in a few years.

I'm already maxed out on my statin (Lovastatin), so he wants to switch
me, but my HMO won't pay, but We Have No Choice. So he sends in the
prescription for Zocor. I get out my credit card before I pick up the
prescription, because I only have like US$50.00 in my wallet. It's
US$15.00, for a 3 month supply. Their math isn't real good, so that's
100 tablets. That's certainly higher than the usual US$5.00 for a
generic, but not exactly a budget breaker.

I take this stuff, and I just get sicker and sicker. But I'm too dense
to figure out that the reason I'm sick is because I'm taking this stuff.
This morning I finally realize that I just changed meds, and maybe I
should check this out. Bingo! From their web site:

upset stomach, gas, heartburn, stomach pain/cramps, loss of appetite,
nausea


As I'm composing an Email to my doctor, I went to check my medical
binder, and lo and behold, I had filed the papers from the pharmacy
there! First side effect: stomach upset!

--
Dan Abel

Petaluma, California, USA

"Dan Abel" > wrote

> As I'm composing an Email to my doctor, I went to check my medical
> binder, and lo and behold, I had filed the papers from the pharmacy
> there! First side effect: stomach upset!

Man, the cure is worse than the ailment, it seems. Think the dr
could have warned you? Maybe the idea is, if you don't eat your
cholesterol might go down.

Sorry you've been feeling ill.

nancy

In article >,
"Nancy Young" > wrote:


> Man, the cure is worse than the ailment, it seems.

There's a reason these drugs are only available by prescription and have
a two page flyer that comes with them. They have side effects and such.


> Sorry you've been feeling ill.


Thanks. I'm really hoping that once I stop taking this that my stomach
will come back down to earth.

--
Dan Abel

Petaluma, California, USA

On 2005-10-24, Dan Abel > wrote:

> a two page flyer that comes with them.

Yeah, and some of those flyers! I got one that had such small print,
a regular hand-held maginfying glass was useless. I had to use a
jewelers loupe, which is just rediculous.

nb

"notbob" > wrote

> On 2005-10-24, Dan Abel > wrote:
>
>> a two page flyer that comes with them.
>
> Yeah, and some of those flyers! I got one that had such small print,
> a regular hand-held maginfying glass was useless. I had to use a
> jewelers loupe, which is just rediculous.

I had a horrible reaction to steroids once, you couldn't read
the list of side effects without eagle vision. I for sure was in
no condition to read it, all that pain and those wacky hallucinations,
dontcha know ... I know, you're supposed to read it first.
Gimme a break, think of *any* possible side effect, it was on
there. Anyway, it was easier to see online, look up your drug
and it's side effects.

Just a little advice for next time.

nancy

On Mon 24 Oct 2005 09:32:46p, Nancy Young wrote in rec.food.cooking:

>
> "notbob" > wrote
>
>> On 2005-10-24, Dan Abel > wrote:
>>
>>> a two page flyer that comes with them.
>>
>> Yeah, and some of those flyers! I got one that had such small print,
>> a regular hand-held maginfying glass was useless. I had to use a
>> jewelers loupe, which is just rediculous.
>
> I had a horrible reaction to steroids once, you couldn't read
> the list of side effects without eagle vision. I for sure was in
> no condition to read it, all that pain and those wacky hallucinations,
> dontcha know ... I know, you're supposed to read it first.
> Gimme a break, think of *any* possible side effect, it was on
> there. Anyway, it was easier to see online, look up your drug
> and it's side effects.
>
> Just a little advice for next time.

And good advice it is. The drugstore we use does supply easy to read
enclosures with our prescriptions and they seem to be very complete.
However, I almost always go to the web for whatever information is
available on a drug.

--
Wayne Boatwright *¿*
_____________________________

http://tinypic.com/eikz78.jpg

Meet Mr. Bailey

On 2005-10-25, Nancy Young > wrote:

> Gimme a break, think of *any* possible side effect, it was on
> there. Anyway, it was easier to see online, look up your drug
> and it's side effects.
>
> Just a little advice for next time.


I was put on a high blood pressure beta-blocker. The doc over
subscribed and my heart would go into almost arrest because the dose
was too high. I reduced my own dosage by half and stopped the near
heart attack episodes I was experiencing just sitting on my couch.
After going through a half dozen doctors I ran into the original who
over prescribed in the first place and explained what happened. He
goes, "hmmmm", and prescribes a new supplemental drug to the original
beta-blocker. Amazingly it works. My blood pressure drops like a
rock. 3 mos later on a follow up visit, he asks me if I am
experiencing any unusual coughing. Well, Hell yes I am!! Not a real
hassle, but I thought I had a minor throat irratation that would
eventually go away. NO! ...it's a side effect to the beta-blocker
supplement and neither my doc nor the pharmacist ever said a damn
thing!

So, here's my advice. Grab your doctor by the nuts and squeeze 'em
till he coughs up with the REAL side effects! Then, grab a cane from
your pharmacy's gimp rack and threaten the drug doc with a broken
femur unless he 'splains every long-term effect and contraindication.
Then, cuz they're in it together, look on the web at a buncha fag
natural food wholistic supplement scammers who will be more than
happy to tell you all the bad things about your drug. They'll all
lie like rugs, but it'll give you a good cross section. Then make
your own decision and drink two martinis.

nb

On Mon, 24 Oct 2005 20:06:29 GMT, Dan Abel > wrote:

>So I go see the doctor. I tell him that my blood sugar is too high and
>that maybe I need to get my meds altered. Oh no, We don't up the meds
>until everything else is exhausted.
>
>So he goes over the other stuff and it's OK. But then he hits the
>cholesterol. Now, it's a little high, but I though it was OK based on
>what They wanted a year ago. No, they changed the goals. As a
>diabetic, They now want the LDL below 70. Excuse me? At this rate,
>it's going to be a goal of "negative" in a few years.
>
>I'm already maxed out on my statin (Lovastatin), so he wants to switch
>me, but my HMO won't pay, but We Have No Choice. So he sends in the
>prescription for Zocor. I get out my credit card before I pick up the
>prescription, because I only have like US$50.00 in my wallet. It's
>US$15.00, for a 3 month supply. Their math isn't real good, so that's
>100 tablets. That's certainly higher than the usual US$5.00 for a
>generic, but not exactly a budget breaker.
>
>I take this stuff, and I just get sicker and sicker. But I'm too dense
>to figure out that the reason I'm sick is because I'm taking this stuff.
>This morning I finally realize that I just changed meds, and maybe I
>should check this out. Bingo! From their web site:
>
>upset stomach, gas, heartburn, stomach pain/cramps, loss of appetite,
>nausea
>
>
>As I'm composing an Email to my doctor, I went to check my medical
>binder, and lo and behold, I had filed the papers from the pharmacy
>there! First side effect: stomach upset!


If you do not like the care your physician is giving you, he does not
listen to your concerns, and you remain his patient, I'd say the
problem is you. Find another doctor.

Diabetics are of particular risk for cardiovascular disease. Statins
are valuable in treating lipid problems.

Boron

In article >,
Boron Elgar > wrote:


> If you do not like the care your physician is giving you, he does not
> listen to your concerns, and you remain his patient, I'd say the
> problem is you. Find another doctor.


I'm generally pretty happy with him. When you don't feel well,
sometimes you just want to whine.


> Diabetics are of particular risk for cardiovascular disease. Statins
> are valuable in treating lipid problems.


Yeah. The problem isn't so much with the doctor, it's with getting old.
I don't advise it.

:-)

--
Dan Abel

Petaluma, California, USA

>
> Yeah. The problem isn't so much with the doctor, it's with getting old.
> I don't advise it.


Unfortunately, the alternative isn't too atractive either...


Dean G.

On Mon, 24 Oct 2005 21:26:48 GMT, Dan Abel > wrote:

>In article >,
> Boron Elgar > wrote:
>
>
>> If you do not like the care your physician is giving you, he does not
>> listen to your concerns, and you remain his patient, I'd say the
>> problem is you. Find another doctor.
>
>
>I'm generally pretty happy with him. When you don't feel well,
>sometimes you just want to whine.

Well understood, then,
>
>
>> Diabetics are of particular risk for cardiovascular disease. Statins
>> are valuable in treating lipid problems.
>
>
>Yeah. The problem isn't so much with the doctor, it's with getting old.
>I don't advise it.
>
>:-)

Think of the alternatives!

I wander the earth courtesy of the miracles of modern medicine and
believe me, I am no spring chicken!

Do keep at your MD about the BG readings, though. If your readings are
so off that you are not feeling well, he really needs to help you
tweak your meds. Some docs are more laissez faire than others. I am
fortunate in having one who lets me treat my T2 almost like a T1...I
have 5 meds to choose from and I dose depending on how my readings
are. There are not too many MDS that will play that game, but since my
Hba1C is usually 5.6 or so, she knows it works for me. That is
key...finding what works for you.

Best of luck.

Boron

Dan Abel wrote:
The problem isn't so much with the doctor, it's with getting old.
> I don't advise it.
>
> :-)
>

Yeah, but it sure beats the alternative!

If I don't wake up with joint pain, I have to pinch
myself hard to make sure I'm alive.

FWIW, I have taken Zocor in the past and now Lipitor
without side effects that I'm aware of. My diuretic
did give me gout but, hey, there's a pill for that, too....

:-(
gloria p

Puester wrote:

> If I don't wake up with joint pain, I have to pinch
> myself hard to make sure I'm alive.
>

I have a new imagine of middle age, because of a happy turn of events
this weekend: when we are young, our friends abound with good news: a
school gotten into, a degree, a child, some exciting author, a cross
country car trip in a 65 Impala...etc. In middle age there is more
silence, or there is bad news: the life of the party turns into a drunk,
divorce, apathy, avid readers who talk about TV, etc.
This weekend, an old college chum I'd lost track of because of the
moroseness and silence he had decended into has rebounded now the sickly
parents he cared for for years have died....house painted, incontinent
animals gone, art work on the walls, a twinkle in his eye. Ah, I said,
one saved from the maw of middle age!
blacksalt
OBFood: Saturday was a beautiful day at the Oly Farmer's Market. Just
off the water at the southern tip of the Puget Sound, a tarry breeze
mixed with roasting nuts and smoked meats. Bins and bins of apples, and
homemade cheese so wonderful...

Puester wrote:
>
> FWIW, I have taken Zocor in the past and now Lipitor
> without side effects that I'm aware of.
>
> gloria p


I also take Lipitor, with no side affects. At night I also take 1
caplet of 500 milligrams of Niaspan. These two medications have
brought my cholesterol down to 135. Triglycerides are 99, HDL (good
stuff) is 45, and the LDL (bad stuff) is 70.

If you are having cramps, by all means talk to your doctor! I had a
friend who also had cramps (arms) from Zocor and constant, and I do
mean constant, gas from the medication. His doctor switched him and
evidently Zocor is not for you. There's other medication to can take
to lower your cholesterol.

Puester wrote:

> If I don't wake up with joint pain, I have to pinch
> myself hard to make sure I'm alive.


Yeah, when a week goes by without an ache or pain of some type it's a
blessing ;-p


> FWIW, I have taken Zocor in the past and now Lipitor
> without side effects that I'm aware of. My diuretic
> did give me gout but, hey, there's a pill for that, too....


Drink lotsa water for the gout, also a glass or two of black cherry juice a
day might help. Are you taking allopurinol?

--
Best
Greg

Gregory Morrow wrote:

>
> Drink lotsa water for the gout, also a glass or two of black cherry juice a
> day might help. Are you taking allopurinol?
>

Yes.

gloria p

"Puester" > wrote in message
...
> Dan Abel wrote:
> The problem isn't so much with the doctor, it's with getting old.
>> I don't advise it.
>>
>> :-)
>>
>
> Yeah, but it sure beats the alternative!
>
> If I don't wake up with joint pain, I have to pinch
> myself hard to make sure I'm alive.
>
> FWIW, I have taken Zocor in the past and now Lipitor
> without side effects that I'm aware of. My diuretic
> did give me gout but, hey, there's a pill for that, too....
>
> :-(
> gloria p

Ya me too gout that is - In order, the things that aggravate the uric acid build
up (AKA The Gout)

Alcohol
Coffee
Not enough water
Diet. (shellfish etc)

Dimitri

"Dimitri" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Puester" > wrote in message
> ...
> > Dan Abel wrote:
> > The problem isn't so much with the doctor, it's with getting old.
> >> I don't advise it.
> >>
> >> :-)
> >>
> >
> > Yeah, but it sure beats the alternative!
> >
> > If I don't wake up with joint pain, I have to pinch
> > myself hard to make sure I'm alive.
> >
> > FWIW, I have taken Zocor in the past and now Lipitor
> > without side effects that I'm aware of. My diuretic
> > did give me gout but, hey, there's a pill for that, too....
> >
> > :-(
> > gloria p
>
> Ya me too gout that is - In order, the things that aggravate the uric acid
build
> up (AKA The Gout)
>
> Alcohol
> Coffee
> Not enough water
> Diet. (shellfish etc)

Don't forget tomatoes. I gave myself a bad case of gout 3 years ago while
feasting on a glut of really good tomatoes.

Paul

"Dan Abel" > wrote in message
...

<snip>

> Yeah. The problem isn't so much with the doctor, it's with getting old.
> I don't advise it.
>
> :-)
>
> --
> Dan Abel

No kidding Dick Tracy where did you get the clue.

To the middle aged out there do your best to avoid getting old. It ain't all its
cracked up to be.

Dimitri

Dimitri wrote:

>
> "Dan Abel" > wrote in message
> ...
>
> <snip>
>
>> Yeah. The problem isn't so much with the doctor, it's with getting old.
>> I don't advise it.
>>
>> :-)
>>
>> --
>> Dan Abel
>
> No kidding Dick Tracy where did you get the clue.
>
> To the middle aged out there do your best to avoid getting old. It ain't
> all its cracked up to be.
>
> Dimitri

I believe the technical term is "sucks."

---jkb

--
"Damn you, brocolli!"
-- Stewie Griffin

"Dan Abel" > wrote in message
...
> So I go see the doctor. I tell him that my blood sugar is too high and
> that maybe I need to get my meds altered. Oh no, We don't up the meds
> until everything else is exhausted.
>
> So he goes over the other stuff and it's OK. But then he hits the
> cholesterol. Now, it's a little high, but I though it was OK based on
> what They wanted a year ago. No, they changed the goals. As a
> diabetic, They now want the LDL below 70. Excuse me? At this rate,
> it's going to be a goal of "negative" in a few years.
>
> I'm already maxed out on my statin (Lovastatin), so he wants to switch
> me, but my HMO won't pay, but We Have No Choice. So he sends in the
> prescription for Zocor. I get out my credit card before I pick up the
> prescription, because I only have like US$50.00 in my wallet. It's
> US$15.00, for a 3 month supply. Their math isn't real good, so that's
> 100 tablets. That's certainly higher than the usual US$5.00 for a
> generic, but not exactly a budget breaker.
>
> I take this stuff, and I just get sicker and sicker. But I'm too dense
> to figure out that the reason I'm sick is because I'm taking this stuff.
> This morning I finally realize that I just changed meds, and maybe I
> should check this out. Bingo! From their web site:
>
> upset stomach, gas, heartburn, stomach pain/cramps, loss of appetite,
> nausea
>
>
> As I'm composing an Email to my doctor, I went to check my medical
> binder, and lo and behold, I had filed the papers from the pharmacy
> there! First side effect: stomach upset!
>


I had the same effect with Advicor. Since I am now also type II, early
stage, I have very high trigyclerides. Tested at 1080. Yes, 1080. The
Advicor made me feel like my brain was plugged plus I later developed kidney
pain. So now I'm on a new one starting today. They all have really bad
side effects in some people. I'm wondering if the cure is worse than the
disease.

Paul

In article <y1c7f.12047$i31.11298@trnddc08>,
"Paul M. Cook" > wrote:


> I had the same effect with Advicor. Since I am now also type II, early
> stage, I have very high trigyclerides. Tested at 1080. Yes, 1080. The


I've been on this stuff for so long I don't even remember how long.
Tris last time before this (can't find the last one) were 138.

I've had dosage increases, and maybe I'm not on exactly the same stuff I
started with. It's just the latest that is causing stomach problems.

--
Dan Abel

Petaluma, California, USA

On Mon, 24 Oct 2005 20:06:29 GMT, Dan Abel > wrote:

>So I go see the doctor. I tell him that my blood sugar is too high and
>that maybe I need to get my meds altered. Oh no, We don't up the meds
>until everything else is exhausted.
>
I'd love to know what kind of kick-back
doctors get from drug companys.

When I moved to AZ and found a new doctor,
he insisted on tests, then; "Your cholesterol is a little high,
so we'll put you on this "lifetime" drug."

( In some drug company, the BINGO-JACKPOT alarm goes off again. )

I respectfully declined. He seemed shocked !

I'd love to see how they arrive at the out-of-range numbers.
Then, I want to see the stats of
exactly how much heart disease the drug actually prevented.

I feel the cholesterol pill is like
the morning vitamin, and the morning prayer.
You never really know if it works.
( sceptical of all things medical since the drug advertising blitz )

.....and...should I ask my doctor if Lumitra is "right for me" ???

<rj>

<RJ> wrote:


> I'd love to see how they arrive at the out-of-range numbers.
> Then, I want to see the stats of
> exactly how much heart disease the drug actually prevented.
>
> I feel the cholesterol pill is like
> the morning vitamin, and the morning prayer.
> You never really know if it works.
> ( sceptical of all things medical since the drug advertising blitz )
>
> ....and...should I ask my doctor if Lumitra is "right for me" ???
>
> <rj>

Actually, those statins have been pretty well proven. It is one drug
that some people shouldn't do without.
Goomba

In article >,
"<RJ>" > wrote:

> On Mon, 24 Oct 2005 20:06:29 GMT, Dan Abel > wrote:
>
> >So I go see the doctor. I tell him that my blood sugar is too high and
> >that maybe I need to get my meds altered. Oh no, We don't up the meds
> >until everything else is exhausted.
> >
> I'd love to know what kind of kick-back
> doctors get from drug companys.


Something tells me that he wasn't getting much of a kickback to tell me
that he wouldn't give me more drugs.

:-)



> I feel the cholesterol pill is like
> the morning vitamin, and the morning prayer.
> You never really know if it works.


Certainly. You don't know if it works, but the statistics say that it
helps.

I am increasingly unhappy with "pay for service" medicine. The more
service, the more pay. I belong to an HMO, and the doctors are on
straight salary.

--
Dan Abel

Petaluma, California, USA

"<RJ>" > wrote

> When I moved to AZ and found a new doctor,
> he insisted on tests, then; "Your cholesterol is a little high,
> so we'll put you on this "lifetime" drug."
>
> ( In some drug company, the BINGO-JACKPOT alarm goes off again. )
>
> I respectfully declined. He seemed shocked !

Good for you. I think they get sucked into the 'give them a pill'
routine, or maybe patients are 'what pill will fix it' ... who knows.
Next thing you know (just from my observation) you're on the
doctor visit/more pills for every little thing/side effect roller coaster.

Of course, I'm a little extreme in my fear of medical types and I have
to say, it's not really all that misplaced in my experience, but if people
do need stuff, of course they should take it. I'm just talking about
the quick, okay, you're going to be on this lifetime drug. Woah,
back up there, partner.

nancy

In article >, Nancy Young
> wrote:

> Good for you. I think they get sucked into the 'give them a pill'
> routine, or maybe patients are 'what pill will fix it' ... who knows.
> Next thing you know (just from my observation) you're on the
> doctor visit/more pills for every little thing/side effect roller coaster.
>
> Of course, I'm a little extreme in my fear of medical types and I have
> to say, it's not really all that misplaced in my experience, but if people
> do need stuff, of course they should take it. I'm just talking about
> the quick, okay, you're going to be on this lifetime drug. Woah,
> back up there, partner.
>
> nancy
>
>
Ulcer medication used to be a "lifetime" drug, until their patents ran
out. Then the medical industry "recognized" a thirty-year-old study
which proved ulcers were a viral infection and could usually be cured
in one month using antibiotics and one of those "lifetime" drugs.

I'm blessed in needing no perpetual prescriptions. But once I did
develop some joint pain. I sold my sedan, buying a convertible and the
pain went away. There were some warnings, but so far I've had no side
effects.

On Tue, 25 Oct 2005 12:03:59 GMT, Stark > wrote:

>In article >, Nancy Young
> wrote:
>
>> Good for you. I think they get sucked into the 'give them a pill'
>> routine, or maybe patients are 'what pill will fix it' ... who knows.
>> Next thing you know (just from my observation) you're on the
>> doctor visit/more pills for every little thing/side effect roller coaster.
>>
>> Of course, I'm a little extreme in my fear of medical types and I have
>> to say, it's not really all that misplaced in my experience, but if people
>> do need stuff, of course they should take it. I'm just talking about
>> the quick, okay, you're going to be on this lifetime drug. Woah,
>> back up there, partner.
>>
>> nancy
>>
>>
>Ulcer medication used to be a "lifetime" drug, until their patents ran
>out. Then the medical industry "recognized" a thirty-year-old study
>which proved ulcers were a viral infection and could usually be cured
>in one month using antibiotics and one of those "lifetime" drugs.

If you are going to complain about the medical profession, I recommend
you have your facts straight. Certain ulcers are caused by bacteria
called heliobacter pylori. The definitive work was done in 1982, by J.
Robin Warren and Barry Marshall. Had the cause and effect been known
30 years before that, I rather doubt the state of antibiotics in the
early 50s would have made much of a difference in treatment.

What lifetime drugs were prescribed for ulcers before then? The
general treatment was palliative, along with diet and lifestyle
changes.

>I'm blessed in needing no perpetual prescriptions. But once I did
>develop some joint pain. I sold my sedan, buying a convertible and the
>pain went away. There were some warnings, but so far I've had no side
>effects.

Your not needing medications to live is irrelevant to this discussion.

Boron

"Boron Elgar" > wrote in message
...
> On Tue, 25 Oct 2005 12:03:59 GMT, Stark > wrote:
>
> >In article >, Nancy Young
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Good for you. I think they get sucked into the 'give them a pill'
> >> routine, or maybe patients are 'what pill will fix it' ... who knows.
> >> Next thing you know (just from my observation) you're on the
> >> doctor visit/more pills for every little thing/side effect roller
coaster.
> >>
> >> Of course, I'm a little extreme in my fear of medical types and I have
> >> to say, it's not really all that misplaced in my experience, but if
people
> >> do need stuff, of course they should take it. I'm just talking about
> >> the quick, okay, you're going to be on this lifetime drug. Woah,
> >> back up there, partner.
> >>
> >> nancy
> >>
> >>
> >Ulcer medication used to be a "lifetime" drug, until their patents ran
> >out. Then the medical industry "recognized" a thirty-year-old study
> >which proved ulcers were a viral infection and could usually be cured
> >in one month using antibiotics and one of those "lifetime" drugs.
>
> If you are going to complain about the medical profession, I recommend
> you have your facts straight. Certain ulcers are caused by bacteria
> called heliobacter pylori. The definitive work was done in 1982, by J.
> Robin Warren and Barry Marshall. Had the cause and effect been known
> 30 years before that, I rather doubt the state of antibiotics in the
> early 50s would have made much of a difference in treatment.


The treatment involves bismuth and tetracycline. Both very common
medications and have been around for decades. So yes, probably even in the
60s ulcers could have been cured with available technology.

And the whole reason it took so long for this to become a common treatment
is that the drug companies were very effective in suppressing any research
that would have led to treatments not involving their very expensive
medications. It is not a coincidence that ulcer cures were finally approved
in this country when patents for ulcer drugs like Zantac ran out and the
meds were sold over the counter.

Cures are not nearly so profitable as the disease. Keep the patient sick by
only treating symptoms and you have a customer for life. That is the way it
works in this country and many others. Not to digress too far but this is
also why marijuana is a long way from being legally prescribed despite it
having proven and valuable therapuetic properties. It's just too cheap to
make, it's just a simple plant and you can't patent it.

Paul

In article >, Boron Elgar
> wrote:



> What lifetime drugs were prescribed for ulcers before then? The
> general treatment was palliative, along with diet and lifestyle
> changes.
>
Tagamet and Zantac.

Stark wrote:


> Ulcer medication used to be a "lifetime" drug, until their patents ran
> out. Then the medical industry "recognized" a thirty-year-old study
> which proved ulcers were a viral infection and could usually be cured
> in one month using antibiotics and one of those "lifetime" drugs.

Clarification: SOME ulcers are caused by a virus. NOT all.
Goomba

Goomba38 wrote:

> Stark wrote:
>
>
>> Ulcer medication used to be a "lifetime" drug, until their patents ran
>> out. Then the medical industry "recognized" a thirty-year-old study
>> which proved ulcers were a viral infection and could usually be cured
>> in one month using antibiotics and one of those "lifetime" drugs.
>
>
> Clarification: SOME ulcers are caused by a virus. NOT all.
> Goomba

Oh geeez, my mistake in posting after a long night. BACTERIA... SOME
ulcers are caused by naughty bacteria (H. pylori) Erase that "virus"
word I repeated off Stark's post please.
Going to bed now.
Goomba

"Stark" > wrote

> In article >, Nancy Young

>> do need stuff, of course they should take it. I'm just talking about
>> the quick, okay, you're going to be on this lifetime drug. Woah,
>> back up there, partner.

> Ulcer medication used to be a "lifetime" drug, until their patents ran
> out. Then the medical industry "recognized" a thirty-year-old study
> which proved ulcers were a viral infection and could usually be cured
> in one month using antibiotics and one of those "lifetime" drugs.

I remember some discussion that the h pilori (sp, etc) might be a
culprit of Crohn's disease, as well.

> I'm blessed in needing no perpetual prescriptions. But once I did
> develop some joint pain. I sold my sedan, buying a convertible and the
> pain went away. There were some warnings, but so far I've had no side
> effects.

Man, then I really need a convertible.

nancy

Dan Abel > wrote in
:

> I take this stuff, and I just get sicker and sicker.

Strange, I was on Zocor for three months after the cardiac event and I
had no side effects. However, the GP assigned to follow my case for
the first six months switched me to Crestor which is giving me better
results. My cholesterol has been well below the line since then.

--

"Compassion is the chief law of human existence."

Dostoevski, The Idiot

In article >,
Michel Boucher > wrote:

> Dan Abel > wrote in
> :
>
> > I take this stuff, and I just get sicker and sicker.
>
> Strange, I was on Zocor for three months after the cardiac event and I
> had no side effects. However, the GP assigned to follow my case for


I Emailed my doc to say I was stopping it. He replied, saying that I
should stop, but start again once I'm feeling better. He said that
there is a nasty stomach virus hitting a lot of people, and perhaps that
was the problem. I think he's right since I haven't taken the Zocor for
two days and I still feel pretty bad.

ObFood: My wife made cinnamon rolls this morning. She is making scones
for tomorrow morning. Unfortunately, since I'm on the left coast and
she is on the wrong coast ( oops, right coast), I'm not getting any. Of
course, I'm also not getting any, but when you're sick, you aren't all
that interested anyway.

:-)

The place she is staying is all vegetarian. It sounds really, really
good , though, even though we aren't vegetarian. She said that you can
ask for Extra Protein, but she didn't think that she would. I think
that she is going to have a major meat craving by this weekend, though.


http://www.rowecenter.org/

--
Dan Abel

Petaluma, California, USA